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Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it?
    #15791501 - 02/11/12 05:18 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

All my friends hate getting caught in loops while tripping (time loops, thought loops, situational loops, whatever you happen to call them).

I on the other hand greatly enjoy them. It reminds me of masterfully engineered synchronicity scaled down to a level where I can (almost) comprehend it and I think that's really cool.

What about you?


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15791508 - 02/11/12 05:23 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

I can enjoy loops a lil depending on the situation.. I'd say weed added to shrooms/cid/mesc/ causes a greater instance of thought loops than the psych alone.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15791509 - 02/11/12 05:23 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

I wouldn't per say I enjoy them, though getting out of a thought loop that is so deep you feel like you'll never be released is pretty humbling


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: lifeinallday]
    #15791564 - 02/11/12 06:00 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Describe some loops?


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: King Klick]
    #15791584 - 02/11/12 06:09 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Describe some loops?



this is not really possible


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: lifeinallday] * 1
    #15791591 - 02/11/12 06:13 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Escaping the loop is futile.. Accepting it, and merging with it, is beautiful :tongue2:


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: King Klick]
    #15796340 - 02/12/12 05:14 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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Describe some loops?




My last one:

1. Two naked hot chicks are pressing their breasts against each others. One word, cute. "All the little pretty things!" kittens and puppies playing together.

2. The bearded face of a man with a beautiful voice. "Thoroughfare." said with just the right inflection.

3. My mental image of myself drenched in blood. Bliss. No words in this one.

4. Repeat steps one through four five times a minute for a few hours.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: healing]
    #15796349 - 02/12/12 05:18 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Bahaha.

And they said it couldn't be done! :lol:

Shit, I forgot I started this thread.

I'm definitely making it a goal next time I trip to actually remember one of my loops.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15796586 - 02/12/12 07:19 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I love it, it means you are at a point in time where you are feeling immediate experience, and going balls deep trying to understand what it is to just be.

We are the time loop.


EDIT: i ate 1.7 grams a couple hours ago, so i think i have a vivid perception of the loop :wink:


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Masquerading as a man with a reason, My charade is the event of the season
And if I claim too be a wise man, well It surely means that I don't know
On a stormy sea of emotion, Tossed about I'm like a ship on the ocean
Carry on my wayward son, you will have peace when you are done



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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: TheMushroomJesus]
    #15796616 - 02/12/12 07:31 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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it means you are at a point in time where you are feeling immediate experience





Very concisely said. I like it. :thumbup:

Enjoy your trip man. Don't dwell on conspiracy theories too much, we're only alive for a moment. :peace:


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15796663 - 02/12/12 07:46 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I've been stuck within a couple of loops. 

The most intense was my first time on acid (2 tabs, then 1.5 tabs a couple hours later).  It was a nested thought loop within a situational loop.  It started as my group of friends and I were sitting inside.  We would have the idea to wonder outside and smoke a cigarette.  We would get up and do so, then take turns saying something about the hallucinations (thinking they were real) while the others would remind the one speaking that they were on acid.  This is where the thought loop happened as I assumed at this point that my friends were playing some intricate mind-games with me.  Like they were deceiving me.  Every 10 seconds someone would repeat "you're on acid" which would start my thought loop of them playing games on me over.  It was as if the phrase "you're on acid" was a condition to reiterate the loop.  We would migrate back inside (after not even having finished half our cigarettes), get our shoes/belongings/ipods together, and walk down the road into town to buy something.  We would eventually get tired and come back, sit down on the couch for about 5 seconds, smoke a bowl, and go out for a cigarette reiterating the loop.
We ended up going to this one shop about 20 times that evening and walked into town probably about 15 times within an hour.

Time loops are my favourite.  I've been caught in their nets many times but have never attempted escape.  The sands of time are not affected by gravity in these loops and soon cease to exist at all.  I will save you the explanation/detail as it would probably be a few pages of text.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15796749 - 02/12/12 08:15 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

My loops are always opposing ideas that contradict each other in an eternal struggle.  This takes the form of a ying-yang type of peak where armies fight for a resource and that resource is traded back and forth over periodic wars.  Life struggles to keep death at bay, black guys fuck white blonde girls, heroes turn into villains, seconds tick into forever, apathy into empathy and so on.  I see scenes, visions, and fragmented abstract ideas that bring the cosmic drama to life and its total and complete fucking madness.  I don't like being there.  Give me God Mode any day over that screwball loop.

I've gotten out of the loop when I the idea of Peace becomes real to me.  Peace, man.  That's a deep concept and when I feel it during a trip I understand those hippies from the 60s.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15796808 - 02/12/12 08:38 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Ahh, I remember the first time we tripped we were sitting on my back patio and it was one of those amazing days out clouds as white as could be, and  a stunning blue sky, woke up that day and decided out of impulse to do an unknown amount of 50% wet shrooms.

Anyway we were tripping and I have never been so talkative in my life, yet never so silent and at peace. I remember realizing that our entire conversations kept going in a loop, (circles as we called them) we had 6-7 topics we kept talking about, and kept going through those same topics the entire trip, saying similar things each conversation.

This has happened every shroom trip, but now I have started to realize it going on in my mind with different topics I am thinking about. I find it absolutely fascinating.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: Assault]
    #15797255 - 02/12/12 11:04 AM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I hate it, naturally it occurs pretty often if you trip a lot, but it's never something I look forward too. It isn't the worst thing unless the thought loop is completely negative. What are you gonna do though :tongue:


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #15798034 - 02/12/12 01:39 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I love looking back on them
I hate being in them, then realising I'm in one... And being unable to stop it. It's like I don't remember I've done/thought that for the first bit, then I remember I've done it before and move onto something new. Only it's not something new it's the next part of the loop, but you don't realise that at first...


On our first acid trip, me and 3 friends ended up in thought/speech loops on the hillside for god knows how long - I eventually broke free of mine and helped everyone get out of theirs... But while I was in it, I felt helpless. To get out of it I had to think of something new, but when I tried it was the next thing in the loop... So I tried to remember the previous thing in the loop so I could work the whole thing out and escape it, but I couldn't for the life of me. The idea it would never end was freaky... But cool.



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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15798715 - 02/12/12 03:37 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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My loops are always opposing ideas that contradict each other in an eternal struggle.  This takes the form of a ying-yang type of peak where armies fight for a resource and that resource is traded back and forth over periodic wars.  Life struggles to keep death at bay, black guys fuck white blonde girls, heroes turn into villains, seconds tick into forever, apathy into empathy and so on.  I see scenes, visions, and fragmented abstract ideas that bring the cosmic drama to life and its total and complete fucking madness.  I don't like being there.  Give me God Mode any day over that screwball loop.

I've gotten out of the loop when I the idea of Peace becomes real to me.  Peace, man.  That's a deep concept and when I feel it during a trip I understand those hippies from the 60s.





This is exactly why every time I trip (specifically on mushrooms or acid) I listen to "We Can Be Together" by Jefferson Airplane and "We Can Work It Out" by The Beatles.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15798766 - 02/12/12 03:47 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I wouldnt say i hate it. A part of me freaks out for about a milisecond when i realize im on like my fourth consecutive dejavu. Once i realze whats happening tho i usually enjoy the hell out of it.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: Krash Kharma]
    #15798772 - 02/12/12 03:48 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I hate it when I waste half of my trip trying to make a decision about what to do.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #15798791 - 02/12/12 03:51 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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I hate it when I waste half of my trip trying to make a decision about what to do.






Easiest answer = lay down and trip nads.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #15798793 - 02/12/12 03:52 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

haha, i love it when im with friends. It goes like this ;

*try and do something; cant.  freinds laugh
*next friend tries to do the same thing, can't. you all laugh.

*other friends says"ok theres no way it can be that hard guys". tries to do it; can't. we all start laughing our asses off.

tripping + tasks that require any sort of linear thinking= :durrhurr:


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: Hologram]
    #15798908 - 02/12/12 04:12 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

i'm not a fan of loops.

because when you have no sense of time, a minute becomes a year.

and being trapped in a loop for "years" gets fucking strenious.

re-live every memory i have, create a picture of my life as i know it from those memory, start to remember dreams, dreams blend with memories, i loose my sense of identity completely, can't properly explain things, loose ability to interpret code, everything becomes part of the same confusion, try to remember what is happening but can't form a clear concept, try to calm myself down and retrace the events of the past few hours, realize that I'm on drugs, relax slightly and re-live every memory i have, create a picture of my life as i know it from those memorys, start to remember dreams, dreams blend with memories, i loose my sense of identy completly, can't properly explain things, loose ability to interpret code, everything becomes part of the same confusion, try to remember what is happening but can't form a clear concept, try to calm myself down and retrace the events of the past few hours, realize that i'm on drugs, relax slightly and re-live every memory i have, create a picture of my life as i know it from those memorys, start to remember dreams, dreams blend with memories, i loose my sense of identy completly, can't properly explain things, loose ability to interpret code, everything becomes part of the same confusion, try to remember what is happening but can't form a clear concept, try to calm myself down and retrace the events of the past few hours, realize that i'm on drugs, relax slightly and re-live every memory i have, create a picture of my life as i know it from those memorys, start to remember dreams, dreams blend with memories, i loose my sense of identy completly, can't properly explain things, loose ability to interpret code, everything becomes part of the same confusion, try to remember what is happening but can't form a clear concept, try to calm myself down and retrace the events of the past few hours, realize that i'm on drugs, relax slightly and........


i mean that's just an example, but it gets frustrating when you realize what is happening, that you're a broken record.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: Hologram]
    #15798918 - 02/12/12 04:14 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I HATE LOOPS:mad2:


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: Salomon]
    #15798935 - 02/12/12 04:16 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I've never experienced this time slowing down thing. I only experience it speeding up. Like every time I look at the clock another hour has gone by and I'm wondering where the hell it went. It's like you think slower, or your IQ drops. Maybe people who think time slowed down aren't watching their clock right and they actually spent a lot of time doing something.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: Salomon]
    #15798984 - 02/12/12 04:25 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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i'm not a fan of loops.

because when you have no sense of time, a minute becomes a year.

and being trapped in a loop for "years" gets fucking strenious.




That is an excellent point and I agree it seems like ages :zomgwtf:


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #15798988 - 02/12/12 04:26 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

i wouldnt say i like it but i dont hate it. it kind of adds to the experience in ways but it can be annoying


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15799206 - 02/12/12 05:08 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I've enjoyed all the loops I've been in, they were actually quite pleasant. It's weird, because you notice that you're in a loop, but seemingly powerless to do anything about it. It's like, even noticing that you're in a loop is part of the loop itself. Like:

"Man, my teeth feel strange, I wonder if there's anything wrong with them? Of course not, why would there be. These sheets look pretty cool. Oh man, didn't I just think that? Man, my teeth feel strange. I wonder if there's anything wrong with them? Of course not, why would there be. These sheets look pretty cool. Oh man, didn't I just think that? Man, my teeth feel strange. I wonder if there's anything wrong with them. Of course not, why would there be. These sheets look pretty cool. Oh man, didn't I just think that?"

That's a somewhat poor example, but you get the idea.


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15801231 - 02/12/12 11:47 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

The loop i experience is really hard to explain.  impending doom ties into it quite a bit.  A lot of the time theres nothing really particular at all that makes me realize im in a loop at all, i just know it.  But it always comes down to higher power sort of stuff, really strong feelings im doing something wrong.  The loops are unbearable strong...sub conscious guilt loop?


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Re: Do you guys like getting caught in loops or hate it? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15801782 - 02/13/12 05:02 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

The only awful loop I remember was when I lost track of time and took a shower while peaking on mushies, I kept picking up the soap and putting it down, I couldn't decide what to do..

I read somewhere that we have some of the same thoughts every day, repeated for weeks, such as, "Oh, I should fix the sink" or "I wonder if I'd look better with a beard"
I think thought loops are a reflection of that fact, that we're creatures of habit.

Has anyone ever tried looping on purpose?
I just tripped last weekend and when I noticed myself thinking the same thought about the movie I was watching, I switched to a mantra.
hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare etc.
It was kinda cool, it felt like my mind latched onto it easily and was happily spinning like a top and I was free to go somewhere else or whatever.
course, I was tripping balls.


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