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"______-based ecstasy". Especially mescaline but there is a lot of talk of heroin and cocaine based pills which I'm assuming is almost just as unlikely.

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I was talking to a kid about acid and he said, "Now you have a tiny pinhole in your brain, thats the reason I don't want to take it because I want to join the army and they do an MRI/brain scan? and they can tell if you've taken it before"  I was like yeah..... okay.  This kid was a stoner too!

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"hallucinogens"

I think that's the biggest lie of them all - you take a psychedelic and you HALLUCINATE THINGS THAT ARE SCARY AND NOT REAL!

I mean obviously the visuals induced by a psychedelic are not as properly constructed as say, sober reality, but I've never once actually HALLUCINATED on any psychedelic.  It seems to me the most common misconception is that psychedelics are so scary to the common-man because they will make you hallucinate, hence hallucinogens as their name.  I think psychedelic is 10000000000x more fitting in describing what these chemicals do, compared to hallucinogens.  Datura, although I haven't done it, seems like a real HALLUCINOGEN.  Now don't get me wrong in extremely high, past really "recreational" doses, you might hallucinate so to speak, but that's much different than what most people imagine when they think of psychedelics as hallucinogens.

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well i took 500 hits turned psychotic slit my wrists and almost died so risks are there idiot.. dobnt believe everything you read.. 


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But if you aren't trolling and that's for real you should pm me your experience; it would be a very interesting read.  I know for sure that your recreational acid trip varies immensely from a multiple-milligram acid dose.  When you stop talking in micrograms and get back to milligrams, you're talking about the difference between a trip and, well, things impossible to even explain.  Shit the intense addition of color from just 1/10 mg to 1/2 mg is extreme.  Keep multiplying and I don't know what the FUCK the answer is haha.

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I too find that most people believe the misconception that the hallucinations from psychedelics are like this.  Full-blown hallucinations like popular culture shows is certainly possible on higher doses, but it just pisses me off when I'm on LSD or mushrooms and one of my friends asks me something like "whoa, dude, what are you seeing?".  I almost always respond unicorns.   As much as movies like Harold and Kumar are sort of funny, I definitely hate that they perpetuated the all too common stereotype that psychedelics make you see unicorns and shit that just isn't there.  People just don't seem to get it.  I stopped trying to explain this long ago.

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If you "let go" or whatever you wanna call it, the fun that can be had on psychedelics is unmatched.  It is absolutely impossible for me to grin that long under any other circumstance.


For myself at least, I think just having psychs labeled "hallucinogens" my whole upbringing was the biggest misconception of what these chems really do.  So subtle, it is.  In your science textbook when you get to drugs, things like LSD and Magic Mushrooms fall into the Hallucinogen section.  No, that section is bullshit.  But until psychs become accepted I doubt they'll be given a respectable name as such.

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no pm necessary

i smelt the burning flesh

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i only did two.. 500 total in my life bro

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I dunno, I definitely think a pretty good percentage of the seemingly profound realizations you get on psychedelics are nonsense.   That's not to say there's nothing you can learn about yourself.  I just think there is a certain amount of delusion involved in these realizations, so I wouldn't necessarily say this is a bad psychedelic lie, as it is definitely debatable.

They say if you say joemolloy 3x in the psychedelic experience he'll appear

Yeah, I also agree that many silly things you think can seem profound at the time... I learn more from the general than the specific when tripping, if that makes sense... the specific is completely at the power and whim of fickle trip-logic.

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Yeah, I also agree that many silly things you think can seem profound at the time... I learn more from the general than the specific when tripping, if that makes sense... the specific is completely at the power and whim of fickle trip-logic.

Joe and this community seem to have a very love-hate relationship. I can't say I agree with the guy super often, but I do like reading everything he has to say, and think he usually has good intentions when he's posting...

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but everything he says makes total sense, and no sense, at the SAME TIME

i mean, what he says makes sense, period.

it's just how you apply it. and i think that's where the spectrum unfolds. i think it's when productivity in that outside world comes into play. or something

i'm still kinda trippin myself. but i know what he means with everything he says.  honestly i think a lot of psych realizations are just DUHs that you wouldn't normally duh at. i dunno haha

but again it's the integration with everything else where i think his "problem" with the whole DMT IS BULLSHIT comes into play

no disrespec to JM i'm just bullshitting myself some moxy thoughts while i'm going through shit of my own.

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Smoking pot and doing psychedelics are chemically addictive.

If you take too much you'll never come down.

They all make you stupid and deluded and unable to see that they are making you this way.

They are only for filthy drug addicts, burn-outs and hobos.

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Smoking pot and doing psychedelics are chemically addictive.

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They are only for filthy drug addicts, burn-outs and hobos.

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Saw angels/beings of pure light that were too bright to look at for long, turned my head away and closed my eyes, they were in the samplaces, watching me...

Also watched my thumbs turn into red snake heads complete with flickering tongues and spreading red scales that raced up my arms, covering them to the elbows.

At that point I had to close my eyes, I then sank through my bed into a desert world full of exploding, confetti filled cacti.

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Saw angels/beings of pure light that were too bright to look at for long, turned my head away and closed my eyes, they were in the samplaces, watching me...

Also watched my thumbs turn into red snake heads complete with flickering tongues and spreading red scales that raced up my arms, covering them to the elbows.

At that point I had to close my eyes, I then sank through my bed into a desert world full of exploding, confetti filled cacti.

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I've definitely had "visuals" that I know aren't real too when tripping.  They aren't like scary, uncontrollable hallucinations though where you don't understand where they came from.

Oh and here's another one.  I never once believed it but....... it's funny lol

My dad told me of a guy he knew once that took acid and saw penises everywhere the whole trip (and it obviously turned out bad..)  There was later a time when I had a blissful acid experience in public, and I did end up seeing one penis, a bouncing one, attached to a stick made by a fan.  It was just a cardboard cutout thing haha, and became quite the joke for my friends and I

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-low/moderate common recreational doses *a hit or 2 of acid, 3.5g cubes, etc
-high (possibly recreational..) doses *a thumbprint, superhuasca, 10g cubes, etc

I've never gotten so psychotic to the point some of you have because I've just never taken that much before - just like most people looking for a normal trip.  Have yet to really do DMT, and most acid was estimated 5-600 mics at once, and for shrooms, 4g.  If you wanna count 25i (not bad I do say..) 1.1mg.  Maybe slightly higher than the novice tripper, but nothing too heroic yet either.  I'm getting to that.

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If this thread continues, which would be interesting since joemolloy is here, there should be a difference maker set:

-low/moderate common recreational doses *a hit or 2 of acid, 3.5g cubes, etc
-high (possibly recreational..) doses *a thumbprint, superhuasca, 10g cubes, etc

I've never gotten so psychotic to the point some of you have because I've just never taken that much before - just like most people looking for a normal trip.  Have yet to really do DMT, and most acid was estimated 5-600 mics at once, and for shrooms, 4g.  If you wanna count 25i (not bad I do say..) 1.1mg.  Maybe slightly higher than the novice tripper, but nothing too heroic yet either.  I'm getting to that.

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There are plenty of trippers on this forum who only indulge with high doses.  Its the only way to fly with some of us because the rewards are unspeakably beautiful if the planets align and you get there.  Listen, at low doses these drugs are literally toys.  Fun for kids with wide-eyed wonder and giggles.  Once you start ratcheting up your metric scale, all the so-called "myths" in this thread come very close to reality either literally or figuratively.  The public is not as ignorant as many of you think.  In fact, their assessment is often uncomfortably close to the truth.

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For giggles we can make another thread of "what are some of the worst psychedelic truths?" for you insane joemolloys out there.  i guess it would be the same...... but the point is most of shroomery is aware that there is a difference between colors and giggles, vs. ego-obliterating send offs to infinity.  i haven't been there (yet), but i can imagine the intensity is much higher than where i've been

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There are plenty of trippers on this forum who only indulge with high doses.  Its the only way to fly with some of us because the rewards are unspeakably beautiful if the planets align and you get there.  Listen, at low doses these drugs are literally toys.  Fun for kids with wide-eyed wonder and giggles.  Once you start ratcheting up your metric scale, all the so-called "myths" in this thread come very close to reality either literally or figuratively.  The public is not as ignorant as many of you think.  In fact, their assessment is often uncomfortably close to the truth.

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true, but is the propaganda aimed at experienced acid heads who eat tenstrips like candy? or the teenies running around eating a couple tabs to try it out? my guess is the latter and under the influence of a couple tabs i've never felt the urge to jump off anything or think i can fly. and for those who do, in the words of bill hicks "what a dick, why not start from the ground first?"

i think maybe if someone inexperienced took a large dose they might do something really stupid like that, but most people dosing that high are experienced and can generally talk themselves down from stupid ideas. as for the others taking smaller doses, i don't see much of a risk. the problem with the propaganda is that they state it like it's common. i don't deny the existence of every danger the media portrays... but when you go around preaching the inevitable dangers of psychosis and flashbacks from using drugs like LSD you'd think we'd see a much higher rate of middle aged americans running around in their underwear afraid to tip over and spill themselves we see heroin/crack addicts all over the city streets, but where are all those 60s acid burnouts we're all so convinced about? not saying there's none of them but, given the popularity of the drug, the amount of people experiencing the effects described by D.A.R.E. and abovetheinfluence.org are few of the many who've taken it

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i mean it's happened to me but it wasnt the end of the world just a very rough experience but at no point did i feel the need to jump out my window nor do i have a string of recurring flashbacks that last the rest of my life that i'm aware of. plus you're speaking of Ayahuasca which is fairly uncommon for newbie psychonauts. the difference between mushroom levels is not a few milligrams, and most LSD out there is intentionally diluted.

even in the few cases where you get too much, like me, it's not the difference between +++ and the end of the world. i was expecting a nice mid range +++ but ended up dipping into ++++ territory. ego was splitting. went completely bipolar for a while. was too hot/too cold. too happy/too sad. to top it off i was in a terrible setting. i was the most utterly terrifying experience of my life. i don't honestly think anything could be that uncomfortable and scary again. it was that bad. but i woke up feeling like a million bucks and have never regretted it. i'm not denying that things like that don't shake up some people. but i feel it's not that common to seriously overdo by accident it in the first place, and even less common for people to lose it afterwards. for the kids who decide to drop 5-7 hits their first time, i have no sympathy. but anywhere in the 1-3 range for decent quality stuff generally won't have serious impact on a first timer.

and once again, i'm not ignorant enough to say it doesn't happen. but when i look at the massive amount of people i know who have used these drugs and the fact that not one of them has suffered serious consequence from it, i think it's safe to say it's not nearly as common as the media would have people think. don't some people not have the proper enzymes to process alcohol? why don't we hear about that in the news? because everyone drinks alcohol anyways and few of us actually know people with that condition. if it were an illegal drug i bet you that'd be part of their campaign though.

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i mean it's happened to me but it wasnt the end of the world just a very rough experience but at no point did i feel the need to jump out my window nor do i have a string of recurring flashbacks that last the rest of my life that i'm aware of. plus you're speaking of Ayahuasca which is fairly uncommon for newbie psychonauts. the difference between mushroom levels is not a few milligrams, and most LSD out there is intentionally diluted.

even in the few cases where you get too much, like me, it's not the difference between +++ and the end of the world. i was expecting a nice mid range +++ but ended up dipping into ++++ territory. ego was splitting. went completely bipolar for a while. was too hot/too cold. too happy/too sad. to top it off i was in a terrible setting. i was the most utterly terrifying experience of my life. i don't honestly think anything could be that uncomfortable and scary again. it was that bad. but i woke up feeling like a million bucks and have never regretted it. i'm not denying that things like that don't shake up some people. but i feel it's not that common to seriously overdo by accident it in the first place, and even less common for people to lose it afterwards. for the kids who decide to drop 5-7 hits their first time, i have no sympathy. but anywhere in the 1-3 range for decent quality stuff generally won't have serious impact on a first timer.

and once again, i'm not ignorant enough to say it doesn't happen. but when i look at the massive amount of people i know who have used these drugs and the fact that not one of them has suffered serious consequence from it, i think it's safe to say it's not nearly as common as the media would have people think. don't some people not have the proper enzymes to process alcohol? why don't we hear about that in the news? because everyone drinks alcohol anyways and few of us actually know people with that condition. if it were an illegal drug i bet you that'd be part of their campaign though.

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It's the reason I haven't done Aya/DMT yet.  Cuz my psychonaut mind is still too lazy, lol.  Not to mention you don't buy that stuff on the streets.  I went over to dmt-nexus once and read the reasons they DON'T condone the sale of DMT - because it IS dangerous to the inexperienced mind explorers.  They say if you don't put the time in to make it yourself, you probably won't be able to handle what it's showing you.

Most psych noobs aren't so stupid to think they can handle it all, and will start with a normal recreational dose.  Again a hit, or a few, of lsd, or like 2g shrooms.  My first shroom trip was 2g, first acid trip less than 200 mics.  If you aren't a complete fool these dosages shouldn't make you insane after one experience.  And the people that "accidentally" eat too much... how???  Again that's usually due to a foolish mistake.. it's not the LSD chemists fault if some 16 y.o. kid thinks he can fly after eating a 10-strip.  Shoulda started with one... that's why they dose them individually like that, and call them "doses" lol

I can see why the public would latch onto these bad stories.. because it's part of the agenda to keep these illegal.

I'll at least tell you one thing that absolutely positively isn't a lie.  I love LSD.  One day I may regret this, one day I may go insane, one day.... but right now, I can say I love LSD, and I have my head screwed on straight still, even though I'm a bit more "hip" now than before

That's something you'll never here in the public.  "extreme actually enjoyed his first trip with lsd!  and each subsequent trip for years!"