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#15789861 - 02/10/12 06:21 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Probably not that new of an idea to some here, but last night I watched a documentary on the the theory of parallel universes by Nat Geo and thought it was a sound theory and an interesting one at that. Anyone else have any thoughts on the subject or anymore recommended viewing/reading? If it's not against the rules and someone is interested I will post the link to the one I watched. They went into the idea of a multi-verse and that is even more mind boggling and amazing.
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sure, i think it's possible. i see parallel realities like different paths in ones life. for example, you are in between a crossroad, and within every direction lies a different reality.
hehe i am having trouble explaining this, hopefully those first sentences are enough.
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Re: Parrallel Universes [Re: zZZz]
#15791366 - 02/11/12 03:33 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Parallel universe doesn't mean they are spatially adjacent to us, like two parallel lines stretching outwards. It is more likely they are all interdependent and entwined in this one. Nothing suggests any real "boundaries" exist anywhere in nature. Along a similar "line" of thought, given the infinitude of development opportunities, extra-terrestrial intelligence is likely already inextricably linked to our own planet and continues to influence life. So, if we are gathering information about distant cosmic processes, we are in essence gathering information about ourselves: sounds like a beautiful, recursive spiral to me.
"Silly Rabbit, fractals are for kids."
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maybe theres a universe where there are parrallel universes, and maybe theres also one where there aren't
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Rofl, n1.
Was the inference to the Uncertainty Principle?
(Just to make sure it is meant to be funny ^.^)
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Re: Parrallel Universes [Re: teknix]
#15791393 - 02/11/12 03:56 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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hehe, i was thinking more along the lines of schrodingers cat
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Yeah 
Do you like The Big Bang T.V. series?
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Re: Parrallel Universes [Re: teknix]
#15791406 - 02/11/12 04:03 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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never seen it
i usually just watch soccer if im watching tv to be honest
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lol, it's more like watching computer for me.
I was watching this show on Justin.TV called something along the lines of Nature's Greatest Events and it was showing how smart the dolphins were to herd sardines up from the depths. When they got a giant herd to the top there were birds and sharks and various other predators, all swimming after the sardines and ignoring each other. Then to finish the event a giant whale came and ate the heard of sardines, officially ending the event.
It kinda made me think about how it applys to people. Like in a social group there are many ego's, and many times the weakest ego is singled out by the bigger ego's and ignore each other. I noticed that when thinking about a kid we used to all pick on when we were kids.
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Re: Parrallel Universes [Re: teknix]
#15791422 - 02/11/12 04:11 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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epic....was it streamed or is it still up? link plz
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They are showing something else now, it was at this link though:
http://www.justin.tv/fam_nature#/w/2580454896/34
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Re: Parrallel Universes [Re: teknix]
#15791435 - 02/11/12 04:23 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Here it is, pretty intense!
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Re: Parrallel Universes [Re: teknix]
#15791437 - 02/11/12 04:27 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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holy shit....
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Quote:
zZZz said:
sure, i think it's possible. i see parallel realities like different paths in ones life. for example, you are in between a crossroad, and within every direction lies a different reality.
hehe i am having trouble explaining this, hopefully those first sentences are enough.
That makes sense to me, and is actually the theory of a physicist who ruined his academic career presenting the theory. A theory that is now accepted.Quote:
Jessica Swift said:
Parallel universe doesn't mean they are spatially adjacent to us, like two parallel lines stretching outwards. It is more likely they are all interdependent and entwined in this one. Nothing suggests any real "boundaries" exist anywhere in nature. Along a similar "line" of thought, given the infinitude of development opportunities, extra-terrestrial intelligence is likely already inextricably linked to our own planet and continues to influence life. So, if we are gathering information about distant cosmic processes, we are in essence gathering information about ourselves: sounds like a beautiful, recursive spiral to me.
"Silly Rabbit, fractals are for kids."
Actually one of the physicists suggested that there is evidence for them being adjacent. When we discovered that our universe is constantly expanding, this physicist already had the theory that adjacent universes had a gravitational pull on each other, thus the reason our universe is ever expanding. She presented her theory to the head of NASA and they coined it a very good theory.
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Actually one of the physicists suggested that there is evidence for them being adjacent. When we discovered that our universe is constantly expanding, this physicist already had the theory that adjacent universes had a gravitational pull on each other, thus the reason our universe is ever expanding. She presented her theory to the head of NASA and they coined it a very good theory.
If there are adjacent universes, and it is gravitational pull that causes the expansion, there would have to be an infinite number of universes. It's the "turtles all the way down" scenario, or similar to St. Augustine's eternal mover. Which universe is pulling the universe that is pulling? Ad nauseum.
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Actually one of the physicists suggested that there is evidence for them being adjacent. When we discovered that our universe is constantly expanding, this physicist already had the theory that adjacent universes had a gravitational pull on each other, thus the reason our universe is ever expanding. She presented her theory to the head of NASA and they coined it a very good theory.
If there are adjacent universes, and it is gravitational pull that causes the expansion, there would have to be an infinite number of universes. It's the "turtles all the way down" scenario, or similar to St. Augustine's eternal mover. Which universe is pulling the universe that is pulling? Ad nauseum.
I don't want to act like an expert on the subject as I just started learning about it, but some do believe that the amount of universes are infinite. Thats where the theory of the multi-verse comes in. Some believe that in the multi-verse super-novas happen all the time. Of course all of this is just theory and is interesting imo. I'm sure there are plenty of other plausible theory's out there as your first post in this thread is just as possible as the physicists; at least in my head.
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I enjoy the theories too, and I've bookmarked links whenever I ran into well-publicized NASA theories and the like.
The thing is I usually take most cosmological theories with a grain of salt. Their hypothetical arrangements are densely philosophical, and draw more from projections than actual astronomical data.
Just for giggles, let's not forget the poor fate of Pluto recently. We can't understand our own solar system, yet we're quick to theorize beyond it. Cute almost.
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I enjoy the theories too, and I've bookmarked links whenever I ran into well-publicized NASA theories and the like.
The thing is I usually take most cosmological theories with a grain of salt. Their hypothetical arrangements are densely philosophical, and draw more from projections than actual astronomical data.
Just for giggles, let's not forget the poor fate of Pluto recently. We can't understand our own solar system, yet we're quick to theorize beyond it. Cute almost.
I have to remind myself everytime I watch or read something like this that it is not fact and only theory otherwise I tend to take it as fact.
Yeah when it comes down to it we as humans don't really know much about anything really. I used to be religious until just recently and realized how silly it really was. Not that I can't say whether there was a higher power or not, but the way religion lays things out seems like non-sense to me now.
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The multiverse is a sham, it is the result of physicists interpreting QM through a materialist perspective. It was invented to explain the double split experiment through a materialist mindset. It is also a nice tool to explain why the fundamental forces are tuned precisely (and very precisely indeed) without requiring any sort of intelligence (god). They suspect there are an infinite number of universes all with different laws of physics or different "tunings" of the fundamental forces, this is how they evade God and idealism.. we just happen to find ourselves in the universe where life is possible.. its a great way of working around the infinitesimal odds that anything you see around you can actually exist without admitting it is all existing in MIND.
There are no parallel universes because there is only one reality and one OM point in which the infinite universe (which is the shadow of God) issues forth. If you studied the cosmology of Meher Baba and took it seriously you would have an inkling into what im talking about.
The multiverse is entirely hypothetical but is taken very seriously by the mainstream because scientists enjoy selling their ideas to sci-fi movie producers such as star trek. As Meher said science has projected tremendous imagination into mankind.
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How did you choose Maher Baba to inform you of what's really going on in the universe?
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Of course it began with a curiosity and speculation not without suspicion. However I have come to grasp his explanations. I've made developments since studying his writings and his lucidity has made this developments possible. I had my own knowledge prior to Meher and that is how I was able to identify what he says as truth, at least to enough of a degree which kept me hungry for more.
Meher led me to Christopher Ott's (philosopher and Meher Baba believer) which has given me a great deal of understanding.
When you see things or understand them for yourself it is no longer an act of blind faith but a real vision of truth, however for the OM point and my post above about the parallel universes, ultimately this is an act of belief, not a dumbfounded or random belief however. My conclusions about parallel universes are not just from Meher though I do have my own opinion about what hte physicists are doing when they posit M-Universes, as iv said they are trying to fit the new physics into the old way of thinking. It also seems to be an example of the historical fallacy.
The theories of M-universes, M-theory, multiple dimensions, etc are all there attempts at understanding the universe as an physical object when in reality it is intangible and formless.
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BTW I'm not sure it's appropriate to call it a "choice".
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The multiverse is a sham, it is the result of physicists interpreting QM through a materialist perspective. It was invented to explain the double split experiment through a materialist mindset. It is also a nice tool to explain why the fundamental forces are tuned precisely (and very precisely indeed) without requiring any sort of intelligence (god). They suspect there are an infinite number of universes all with different laws of physics or different "tunings" of the fundamental forces, this is how they evade God and idealism.. we just happen to find ourselves in the universe where life is possible.. its a great way of working around the infinitesimal odds that anything you see around you can actually exist without admitting it is all existing in MIND.
There are no parallel universes because there is only one reality and one OM point in which the infinite universe (which is the shadow of God) issues forth. If you studied the cosmology of Meher Baba and took it seriously you would have an inkling into what im talking about.
The multiverse is entirely hypothetical but is taken very seriously by the mainstream because scientists enjoy selling their ideas to sci-fi movie producers such as star trek. As Meher said science has projected tremendous imagination into mankind.
Well I find their ideas and theories interesting, I clearly stated I don't take them for fact. But you sir should not take anyting Mr. Baba said as fact because he cannot prove anything nor dissprove their theories, only come up with his own theories why other's theories are wrong. Though I'm sure Mr. Baba's theories are interesting as well.
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Hah well I'm just trying to give you a perspective here I'd otherwise doubt you would hear. I think their ideas are interesting too no doubt, I think they are wrong but interesting. Not too long ago I was thinking the parallel universe theories was a good possibility but some writings have more or less cleared that up for me.
When it comes to Meher and theories I do not believe he has theories I believe reality is not to be theorized about but is to be experienced. No thinking, no understanding, no theorizing will let you see the truth. Actually you cannot even "see" or comprehend the truth you can only become it and EXPERIENCE the truth. It is my belief that Meher was one with God and therefore one with truth.
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God cannot be explained He cannot be argued about He cannot be theorized Nor can He be discussed and understood To understand the infinite, eternal Reality Is not the goal of individualized beings In the Illusion of Creation Because the Reality can never be understood
Meher Baba
Meher is far beyond any scientist it is inapporiate to compare. Apparently Einstein acknowledged this, "After a meeting with Meher Baba, Albert Einstein said, "Everything I know is nothing compared to what Meher Baba knows.
http://www.narellecreative.net/BABA.html
I have no proof that that happened but it makes sense and it would not surprise me.
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When he says that you cannot comprehend, think, or understand truth; to me that says he doesn't know the truth either. Though I will give the link you posted a read, I have come to the point in life that I will not take anything as absolute truth. When I recently gave up religion I realized that "truth" is subjective, if that make sense.
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I think proof is already been determined in anti-matter IE: negatrons/positrons.
The which is directly opposite us, is the most nearest. For anti-matter to be able to exist without destroying itself with matter, then it must exist in another place that separates the two.
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Re: Parrallel Universes [Re: teknix]
#15793770 - 02/11/12 04:33 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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There was an article in Scientific American about using lasers to "see" at the Planck scale. Maybe that's where we will be able to observe tiny curled up dimensions, if they're there. Or a wormhole might allow one to peer into another dimension if it can be somehow manipulated through the bending of spacetime nearby.
As for parallel universes, well I believe they "exist" in principle but that it takes conscious observation to make a given parallel state (our observable universe, for example) more than a statistical probability. Same as the uncertainty principle for wave-particles and such, just on a macrocosmic scale.
It's so hard to explain exactly what one means by this. It's almost like saying that PUs exist until an observation is made and then they cease to exist after the collapse of the wave-function. Thus, by the mere fact that we are here, parallel universes do not exist. There is only our universe that we can see and its rather pointless to consider it any other way.
The only way I can think of to prove the existence of parallel worlds is if one develops oneself into an omnipotent hyperdimensional being who can travel backwards in time to an unobserved state of the universe but also be "outside" of it in order to look at it from "above." (Then say, "ah yes, there it is.")
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