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 soldatheero
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Of course it began with a curiosity and speculation not without suspicion. However I have come to grasp his explanations. I've made developments since studying his writings and his lucidity has made this developments possible. I had my own knowledge prior to Meher and that is how I was able to identify what he says as truth, at least to enough of a degree which kept me hungry for more.
Meher led me to Christopher Ott's (philosopher and Meher Baba believer) which has given me a great deal of understanding.
When you see things or understand them for yourself it is no longer an act of blind faith but a real vision of truth, however for the OM point and my post above about the parallel universes, ultimately this is an act of belief, not a dumbfounded or random belief however. My conclusions about parallel universes are not just from Meher though I do have my own opinion about what hte physicists are doing when they posit M-Universes, as iv said they are trying to fit the new physics into the old way of thinking. It also seems to be an example of the historical fallacy.
The theories of M-universes, M-theory, multiple dimensions, etc are all there attempts at understanding the universe as an physical object when in reality it is intangible and formless.
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soldatheero
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BTW I'm not sure it's appropriate to call it a "choice".
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The Influence
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soldatheero said:
The multiverse is a sham, it is the result of physicists interpreting QM through a materialist perspective. It was invented to explain the double split experiment through a materialist mindset. It is also a nice tool to explain why the fundamental forces are tuned precisely (and very precisely indeed) without requiring any sort of intelligence (god). They suspect there are an infinite number of universes all with different laws of physics or different "tunings" of the fundamental forces, this is how they evade God and idealism.. we just happen to find ourselves in the universe where life is possible.. its a great way of working around the infinitesimal odds that anything you see around you can actually exist without admitting it is all existing in MIND.
There are no parallel universes because there is only one reality and one OM point in which the infinite universe (which is the shadow of God) issues forth. If you studied the cosmology of Meher Baba and took it seriously you would have an inkling into what im talking about.
The multiverse is entirely hypothetical but is taken very seriously by the mainstream because scientists enjoy selling their ideas to sci-fi movie producers such as star trek. As Meher said science has projected tremendous imagination into mankind.
Well I find their ideas and theories interesting, I clearly stated I don't take them for fact. But you sir should not take anyting Mr. Baba said as fact because he cannot prove anything nor dissprove their theories, only come up with his own theories why other's theories are wrong. Though I'm sure Mr. Baba's theories are interesting as well.
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soldatheero
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Hah well I'm just trying to give you a perspective here I'd otherwise doubt you would hear. I think their ideas are interesting too no doubt, I think they are wrong but interesting. Not too long ago I was thinking the parallel universe theories was a good possibility but some writings have more or less cleared that up for me.
When it comes to Meher and theories I do not believe he has theories I believe reality is not to be theorized about but is to be experienced. No thinking, no understanding, no theorizing will let you see the truth. Actually you cannot even "see" or comprehend the truth you can only become it and EXPERIENCE the truth. It is my belief that Meher was one with God and therefore one with truth.
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God cannot be explained He cannot be argued about He cannot be theorized Nor can He be discussed and understood To understand the infinite, eternal Reality Is not the goal of individualized beings In the Illusion of Creation Because the Reality can never be understood
Meher Baba
Meher is far beyond any scientist it is inapporiate to compare. Apparently Einstein acknowledged this, "After a meeting with Meher Baba, Albert Einstein said, "Everything I know is nothing compared to what Meher Baba knows.
http://www.narellecreative.net/BABA.html
I have no proof that that happened but it makes sense and it would not surprise me.
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The Influence
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When he says that you cannot comprehend, think, or understand truth; to me that says he doesn't know the truth either. Though I will give the link you posted a read, I have come to the point in life that I will not take anything as absolute truth. When I recently gave up religion I realized that "truth" is subjective, if that make sense.
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 teknix
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I think proof is already been determined in anti-matter IE: negatrons/positrons.
The which is directly opposite us, is the most nearest. For anti-matter to be able to exist without destroying itself with matter, then it must exist in another place that separates the two.
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Eschalt
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 Re: Parrallel Universes [Re: teknix]
#15793770 - 02/11/12 04:33 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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There was an article in Scientific American about using lasers to "see" at the Planck scale. Maybe that's where we will be able to observe tiny curled up dimensions, if they're there. Or a wormhole might allow one to peer into another dimension if it can be somehow manipulated through the bending of spacetime nearby.
As for parallel universes, well I believe they "exist" in principle but that it takes conscious observation to make a given parallel state (our observable universe, for example) more than a statistical probability. Same as the uncertainty principle for wave-particles and such, just on a macrocosmic scale.
It's so hard to explain exactly what one means by this. It's almost like saying that PUs exist until an observation is made and then they cease to exist after the collapse of the wave-function. Thus, by the mere fact that we are here, parallel universes do not exist. There is only our universe that we can see and its rather pointless to consider it any other way.
The only way I can think of to prove the existence of parallel worlds is if one develops oneself into an omnipotent hyperdimensional being who can travel backwards in time to an unobserved state of the universe but also be "outside" of it in order to look at it from "above." (Then say, "ah yes, there it is.")
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