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#15789813 - 02/10/12 06:09 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I've dedicated my life to the good of all. Anyone who has done the same, will get unlimited loyalty from me. By good of all, I mean the well being of every living organism in existence. Anyone who is truly altruistic can consider me a brother. I will do anything for them, even die if needs be. Anyone else here dedicated your life to altruism?
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I think it is for comfort that like minded people are attracted to one another.
Being content versus being discontent. Although it really just comes down to your accepted perspective.
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I will be your friend for life that is unless you turn,i have always been like this and am never the one to end a friendship some people just go missing over time so to speak, although i think my expectation for loyalty might be a bit extreme at times, but not really whats the point of anything hollow
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Withinity]
#15789892 - 02/10/12 06:32 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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To make yourself discontent for the sake of another, to me is selfless.
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I've dedicated my life to the good of all. Anyone who has done the same, will get unlimited loyalty from me. By good of all, I mean the well being of every living organism in existence. Anyone who is truly altruistic can consider me a brother. I will do anything for them, even die if needs be. Anyone else here dedicated your life to altruism?
So you don't eat any plant or animals. If you have you've just proven yourself a liar.
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You can demonstrate your altruism by donating $20 to me via Paypal ( for details). I urgently await your altruism in action. 
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: deCypher]
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You can demonstrate your altruism by donating $20 to me via Paypal ( for details). I urgently await your altruism in action.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: deCypher]
#15790196 - 02/10/12 07:50 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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You can demonstrate your altruism by donating $20 to me via Paypal ( for details). I urgently await your altruism in action.
Meh, that's donating to paypal as well :P
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I mean the well being of every living organism in existence
I honestly have no idea what that means. Care to expound?
What happens when every single human on the planet is well-fed every day?
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I will be your friend for life that is unless you turn,i have always been like this and am never the one to end a friendship some people just go missing over time so to speak, although i think my expectation for loyalty might be a bit extreme at times, but not really whats the point of anything hollow
I wish I knew you in real life. I have no friends like this. I would easily meet your expectation of loyalty. One obstacle I've encountered is difficulty in identifying who is altruistic and who is selfish. Selfish people sometimes masquerade as altruists and that kind of thing fools me at first. Actions speak louder than words though, to identify an altruist, you just have to observe their actions over a long period of time.
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So you don't eat any plant or animals. If you have you've just proven yourself a liar.
I'm on dexedrine (so I don't feel like eating to begin with) and drink meal replacement milk shakes when I have them. I wish they would make them cheaper though because its not very affordable to live like this.
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You can demonstrate your altruism by donating $20 to me via Paypal ( for details). I urgently await your altruism in action.
Altruism for the altruistic. I wouldn't go giving my money to some rich corporation simply because they want it.
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I mean the well being of every living organism in existence
I honestly have no idea what that means. Care to expound?
What happens when every single human on the planet is well-fed every day?
Then we move onto the next objective. Hunger is just one of the many sources of suffering in this world.
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I'm on dexedrine
Ever find out how many lab animals this was tested on before it was wasted on you? Somebodies a liar and I know who it is. 
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That's a pretty tall order, like impossible tall. Morality is super complicated. It takes an enormous amount of reflection to figure out the most morally sensible thing to do, a total identity loss, and if you're posting here I doubt you're interested in that.
Morality is new to human beings and we're really bad at it at this point, so I think you're setting the bar too high. Try "strive to do the least harm possible" if you want a realistic commitment. You're human and you'll always cause suffering, but you can learn some general rules for causing less suffering. I hope you're vegan, to begin with.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15791615 - 02/11/12 06:28 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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when reading the initial post here, i was immediately hit with a large flux of energy coming down from my crown chakra and into my heart.......aka scalp got "tingly" and waves of blissful feelings went "into" my chest and then shot down my arms and legs....
i then began to read some, well, "lower vibratory" ideas presented in the comments.....the thought then came to mind that this would be a great opportunity to share some of the story i refer to as "me".....i then felt even more blissful energy "manifesting" in my heart...
now what i speak of may seem unrelated to what is being spoken of here....but i assure you, true altruism is not only making agreements or convictions with the mind, but much more so requires opening the heart...
lol a year or 2 ago, if i read what ive just typed, i would think it was complete nonsense, and would even develop some harsh judgments in mind......in the earlier stages of my "awakening" to "unity", the biggest question my mind was consumed with was, why does my mind continue to form judgments about my world?......without going too deep, humans (in the western world anyways) have been well "trained" into living a life as a separate ego where fear is the primary motivator to take action in life.....when we view ourselves as disconnected from the world around us, we feel the need to boost ourselves up in relation to others (i.e. judgments)....
living life with a unity consciousness filter as opposed to a separated ego filter, allows love for yourself, love for others and love for all as potential motivators to take action in life...
my passion is sharing my experiences....and my experiences were created from a will to end not only my own suffering, but to understand the human experience and give others the opportunity to connect with higher aspects of self.....i am an open book, it would be exciting to hear anything anyone has to say with my little comment here
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Coodoes]
#15791673 - 02/11/12 06:55 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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all humans are pretty much the same and must act within the confines of the species.
How exactly do you tell which are these so called higher and lower charka posts? Think before you answer.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15791684 - 02/11/12 07:00 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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lol. That's eZ pZ.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: teknix]
#15791687 - 02/11/12 07:01 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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As if you'd have a clue. 
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15791689 - 02/11/12 07:02 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Well I know it is not within the nuns vagina.
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I've dedicated my life to the good of all. Anyone who has done the same, will get unlimited loyalty from me. By good of all, I mean the well being of every living organism in existence. Anyone who is truly altruistic can consider me a brother. I will do anything for them, even die if needs be. Anyone else here dedicated your life to altruism?
so what? your just another piece of meat like the rest of us. the only difference is that your piece of meat has a holyer than thou attitude. get over yourself.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15791750 - 02/11/12 07:24 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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higher and lower chakra posts?
i did mention "lower vibratory concepts"?
when i say lower vibratory, well, essentially, the highest levels of "vibration" ive experienced is that of bliss/pure unconditional love and understanding.....in these moments, my energy is so free, so malleable, so understanding, so unable to find distaste in anything...that i consider this a "high" vibratory state........now creating separation is not the goal of this differentiating low from high vibes.....i simply use this awareness as a tool to find myself in the present, and ask myself, "what vibration would i prefer to experience at this time"....after this i can often bring about the electromagnetic energies within and also experience "downloads" of energy coming in my crown chakra...
other times, i continue to "operate" at a lower vibe even after finding myself in the present moment....this experience tells me that there are still learning opportunities at the lower vibratory "parallel realities"....
finding a constructive, positive meaning in every experience (no matter how negatively initially perceived) is my key for further learning, for further openness, to further allow the resonance of my consciousness to reside at higher levels, where i can tangibly feel my own expansion to levels where fear, anger and other limiting states of being are not able to access...
in terms of higher and lower chakras, well, i am still most definitely learning.....
my higher chakras (crown, third eye, throat, heart and even solar plexus) have been tangibly transmuting energy for quite some time now....
i affirm that i am an open conduit but i do feel that there is a type of energetic blockage in my lower chakras.....i used to be a high caliber athlete, 40+ vertical jump and could touch over 12ft in the air.....my lower back/hip began to tighten in my training which was a major stimulus to take a different direction in life (am now living in symbiosis with nature, eating the wild food which grows around me and am focusing my energies on unifying my consciousness as opposed to furthering seperation through my previous"ego inflating" athletic endeavors.....only ego inflating as i am still bringing old programming to my awareness)....
lol got on a roll here.....would love to hear any feedback
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yea... i'm all about hosting viruses within my own body. it's for their well being.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Coodoes]
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dude, reading random sentences of your post makes me laugh 
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Coodoes]
#15791906 - 02/11/12 08:35 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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First of I've hands down refuted any notion of the existence of unconditional love here for many many years.
What you are saying is whatever makes you feel blissful , whether of benefit to others or not (unknowns you don't account for due to bias or ignorance) is high vibe.
Well here's a surprise for you. Everyone does that and that's why the world appears the way it does.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
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koodoes to coodoes, good posts.
-First of I've hands down refuted any notion of the existence of unconditional love here for many many years
Unconditional love isn't about what you do but how you do it. You can love a deer when you kill him, say a prayer, and thank him for giving his life to the perpetuation of creation, knowing you will do the same one day. Unconditional love is using your breath to create harmony in this world. If you go about trying to refute the experience of unconditional love I'd say you must be a bitter child in the body of an adult, or a troll without a real life. Get up and do something for yourself rather than trying to bust other peoples bubbles.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15792199 - 02/11/12 10:13 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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And I'd say you must be a new age idiot child without wisdom but that would be against the forum rules against personalisms.  Something intelligent folk who join a forum bother to do.
BTW who's puppet are you?
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
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---when it doesn't matter what they think, say or want, but when you do as you are,
Thats what I just said, looking at others beliefs and trying to bust them without an attitude of helpfulness is pathetic. How can a serene person cause unserene effects? How can a happy person cause unhappiness? Its no wonder some try to bust the happiness of others, they can't stand the possibility that they are content, and wish to make them unhappy like themselves. Misery loves company.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp] 1
#15792748 - 02/11/12 12:32 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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People who are truly content, peaceful and loving don't attack those who don't agree with them or things they don't agree with.
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I'd say you must be a bitter child in the body of an adult, or a troll without a real life. Get up and do something for yourself rather than trying to bust other peoples bubbles.
Especially when they don't know what their talking about. This is a debate forum, designed to test and burst other peoples bubble when they cannot stand up to scrutiny. I cannot burst any bubble that cannot be burst.
Practice what you preach before condemning others.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
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I cannot burst any bubble that cannot be burst.
Getting weak?
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Someone found my fortress of solitude.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
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-People who are truly content, peaceful and loving don't attack those who don't agree with them or things they don't agree with.
How do you know? If I am content with the truth, then I am not content with the false, if I love happiness, then I hate unhappiness. How can truth not attack the false, and how can the false not attack the truth? They are opposites friend. The false tries to attack truthful bubbles, the truth attacks false bubbles. The false wants to drag the truth down, the truth wants to pull up the false, by making the false see its fakeness. That is the meaning of these words. That a negative attitude is false, it is based on an idea of separation that doesn't exist. A positive attitude is true, it sees things in the present with a connection between everything, no longer is it "me against the world" its "I am the world, the world made me and the world will unmake me". Concepts of separation are based on an illusion, and all such ideas that follow are false. The idea of unconditional love is not baseless, if I am the world and the world is me then there is no idea of separation, and no conditions placed on my Self-love. So it is true, and all concepts based on mental separation are false. There is no separation in being.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15792902 - 02/11/12 01:10 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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"The idea of unconditional love is not baseless, if... then..."
If-then statements are usually called "conditional statements" due to the "if" condition that needs to be met before the "then" can occur. If that's true for unconditional love then it isn't really unconditional love at all. It's conditional, relying upon the "if".
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Kickle]
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That's playing with words Kickle(whats that a kick and giggle?). I said if I am the world, which is true, then my love is unconditional, it is everywhere and nowhere in particular. This being true, my love is unconditional toward myself always, the only change is what this idea is.
The truth is that everyone loves themselves unconditionally, they may just take a certain concept of what they are as truth, and exlude their love from what they are "not". This self-love is unconditional towards the self, towards "others" it is not unconditional, unless others are included in the idea of oneself. The only difference between individual minds is in the mental concepts, the idea of what they are.
So the true unconditional love towards all, only comes with a true idea of oneself, which is all. The body is a reflection of truth, the whole universe contributed to your body's existence, the sun, the moon, the earth, the whole galaxy, without which there is no you. Therefore all conditional love is false, because it is based on an illusion of a separate identity where there is none, and unconditional love is the only truth.  Don't forget to smile people, this is a happy truth.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
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-People who are truly content, peaceful and loving don't attack those who don't agree with them or things they don't agree with.
How do you know? If I am content with the truth, then I am not content with the false, if I love happiness, then I hate unhappiness. How can truth not attack the false, and how can the false not attack the truth? They are opposites friend. The false tries to attack truthful bubbles, the truth attacks false bubbles. The false wants to drag the truth down, the truth wants to pull up the false, by making the false see its fakeness. That is the meaning of these words. That a negative attitude is false, it is based on an idea of separation that doesn't exist. A positive attitude is true, it sees things in the present with a connection between everything, no longer is it "me against the world" its "I am the world, the world made me and the world will unmake me". Concepts of separation are based on an illusion, and all such ideas that follow are false. The idea of unconditional love is not baseless, if I am the world and the world is me then there is no idea of separation, and no conditions placed on my Self-love. So it is true, and all concepts based on mental separation are false. There is no separation in being.
Nice rant but I'm not buying. When I'm peaceful and in a place where I feel truly safe there is nothing I need to attack or fight and no thing is more or less than another. I've been in that place on occasion. If there is no separation as you claim to believe then there is no difference between god and the devil as in that quote you quoted but failed to understand. You or anyone claiming to even know what is ultimately true is the height folly. You are not the creator, you don't know ultimately what any of this is about or it's ultimate direction or goal if there is any. You're opinions are all based in self importance and separation. You are truth and I am false. You have no way on knowing any of that other than through your own separate bias of how things are supposed to be and what is right and wrong. You have yet to show one tiny shred of evidence that unconditional love exists. Give me an example of some and I'll show you how all of our actions including sacrificing our lives for a cause or others is done to satisfy our own needs first and foremost. Thus they are not unconditional
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― Ernest Becker
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
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-Give me an example of some and I'll show you how all of our actions including sacrificing our lives for a cause or others is done to satisfy our own needs first and foremost.
You just said it, our self-love is unconditional.
-When I'm peaceful and in a place where I feel truly safe there is nothing I need to attack or fight and no thing is more or less than another.
If you would share that then you would attack the false.
-If there is no separation as you claim to believe then there is no difference between god and the devil as in that quote you quoted but failed to understand.
As long as there is the perception of separation, the perception of different energies will exist. Until all has merged together god and devil are separate. When you can't talk or think, they are one, in any other case they give the appearance of separation and the opposites of good/bad.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793229 - 02/11/12 02:29 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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You just said it, our self-love is unconditional.
Great! Now show me some unconditional love like the OP was talking about? Show me an instance of unconditional love that isn't selfish??
No one here knows what is ultimately true or false. You don't know if you are attacking the false or truth with your actions. That's all just opinion. Prove me wrong.
You're just parroting some nonsense you don't live. If you don't live it you don't know it. Calling someone a troll etc is living proof of this.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793345 - 02/11/12 03:04 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I second the idea that you are a troll.
Not really anything new, because I've said it before.
Do you feel disturbed broseph?
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793388 - 02/11/12 03:14 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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-Show me an instance of unconditional love that isn't selfish?
Why do you think there aren't people who are open to all?, who have a good attitude toward all, who forgive even when harm is done to them or their own? If there is a single person who has an open attitude toward all, and who loves even when hurt, that is unconditional love. It depends not on the actions of others.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793406 - 02/11/12 03:17 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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People here trying to explain the simplest realizations to you is proof enough for me.
Coinciding experiences of love is another, although without an experience to coincide with others, you are stuck where you are.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: teknix]
#15793482 - 02/11/12 03:34 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I second the idea that you are a troll.
Not really anything new, because I've said it before.
Do you feel disturbed broseph?
By you? No.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793529 - 02/11/12 03:41 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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-Show me an instance of unconditional love that isn't selfish?
Why do you think there aren't people who are open to all?, who have a good attitude toward all, who forgive even when harm is done to them or their own? If there is a single person who has an open attitude toward all, and who loves even when hurt, that is unconditional love. It depends not on the actions of others.
Because I've never met one in 59 years. Even you the proponent of unconditional love went on the attack with personalisms when I said things you don't like.
As I have stated many times here we act towards others in ways that fulfill our own needs. If I believe it is good and right to sacrifice I will sacrifice to fulfill my need to see myself as a person who acts in good and right ways. If I didn't need to see myself that way there would be no reason or need to act that way toward others. Nature and life has built us this way. I often do things for others I care about but I have no illusions that I'm doing it selflessly. I want them to be happy because that makes me happy. If it did not I would not. If I sacrifice myself for someone I care about it's because that feels good to me to be that kind of person. Just because we are ultimately selfish doesn't mean others cannot benefit. It's really that simple.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793543 - 02/11/12 03:43 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yeah man, I bet it is because your pineal has been calcified for about 38 of your 59 years of life. It's from all that tooth-paste you swallowed.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793566 - 02/11/12 03:48 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Let's take another look at the OP.
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I've dedicated my life to the good of all. Anyone who has done the same, will get unlimited loyalty from me. By good of all, I mean the well being of every living organism in existence. Anyone who is truly altruistic can consider me a brother. I will do anything for them, even die if needs be. Anyone else here dedicated your life to altruism?
First he says he's dedicated to the good of all but immediately qualifies that by saying that only others like him will get his loyalty. Yet in the next sentence he says he's dedicated to the well being of every organism in existence. Yet how can he do that if he lives by killing and eating other organisms and taking and living on land that was the habitat of other organisms before he moved in? He says he will do anything for them yet kills and eats them or takes their habitat for his own. He says even if he needs to die yet he goes on eating killing or causing death in his behalf so he can live to be the good guy.
This OP made no sense to me and I set out to show it. Which I have IMO.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: teknix]
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Yeah man, I bet it is because your pineal has been calcified for about 38 of your 59 years of life. It's from all that tooth-paste you swallowed.
I use baking soda. Why don't you take your personalisms over to the mystery forum. Along with the example you set for giving unconditional love.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
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Since when did you start using baking soda?
Please point out the personalism or the mysticism. It is most probable for pineal calcification to be the case considering where you were born and your age.
Baking soda isn't going to decalcify a pineal gland in 10 years.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: teknix]
#15793622 - 02/11/12 03:59 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I've been using baking soda since I was a kid. That's what my mom used.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: teknix]
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teknix and WakeUp,
If your argument is so weak that you have to resort to insults and name calling to get your point across, then stop posting in PS&P. It's against the rules. If insulting people is how you debate, take it to the OTD forum where that's how the children there debate. The adults here find that boring. That's why it's against the rules.
Consider this your warning.
Read the rest of the rules here before you post again:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793636 - 02/11/12 04:02 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Making this about my pineal gland is making this about me instead of the discussion. You have no evidence for my physical state and so trolled me.
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― Ernest Becker
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793639 - 02/11/12 04:02 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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-Even you the proponent of unconditional love went on the attack with personalisms when I said things you don't like
There are two main parts of human beings. The being part, and the becoming part or ego. I did not attack the whole of you, only your ego, which can get in the way of seeing things clearly because of distraught emotions and opinions etc. You may think I attacked you, but I know that ego is only an imagined mental projection, the one who projects it I was speaking to. I only attacked your ideas, not you, the real you cannot be attacked, and I sought to show you that.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793643 - 02/11/12 04:04 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I never said that is why, I said that I bet, or assume a very logical deductive conclusion. I never said it as a fact.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793653 - 02/11/12 04:07 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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It's very obvious (imo) that anyone who actually considered what the OP claimed knows it was illogical. To stay alive as a separate entity one cannot have unconditional love for the rest of life. One must kill, and one must fight for resources in one way or another, directly or indirectly. If I take a drug for my condition I must accept that it's likely that that drug was tested on animals without their consent. I can make a list that goes on and on and on with examples like this that people who make such claims never even take into account. In fact most humans seem to be in denial about this.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: teknix]
#15793667 - 02/11/12 04:11 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I never said that is why, I said that I bet, or assume a very logical deductive conclusion. I never said it as a fact.
Concluded on what evidence? Face facts. You got the warning not me. You are the one who doesn't love unconditionally. That's fairly obvious. If one does not love everything unconditionally then their claim for it's existence is based on....? If they only love things they like or that they agree with then what is unconditional?
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793677 - 02/11/12 04:12 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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- One must kill, and one must fight for resources in one way or another, directly or indirectly.
I said it earlier, you can love the animal even when you kill it, you can understand its place in the Circle of Life, and use it wisely as you will be used when your body dies, that is unconditional love.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793690 - 02/11/12 04:15 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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No that's not unconditional love. Unless of course you want to make up any definition you want. The animal you killed had no choice in the matter. Who are you to take it's life without it's consent? All you are doing is trying to make yourself feel better about your acts. That is very conditional.
Back to the OP who stated he'd give his life up for all other life.
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― Ernest Becker
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793729 - 02/11/12 04:24 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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- The animal you killed had no choice in the matter. Who are you to take it's life without it's consent?
And, how do you know? How do you know that the animals spirit won't be bumped up a level, gain some experience points and evolve into a human? In that case killing him would be a very kind thing to do. It may just release its spirit into heaven, so how do you know it was a bad thing to do? The universe made it so, that life feeds on life, if the universe sees it as good and neccessary, then why shouldn't I? It is good that life feeds on life, otherwise there is no life. Without this circle there is no life. Love would have life, life must feed on life, therefore Love likes life to feed on life.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793744 - 02/11/12 04:27 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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And, how do you know? How do you know that the animals spirit won't be bumped up a level, gain some experience points and evolve into a human?
That's my point. We don't know and if you don't know and didn't create all this you cannot prove the rightness of your decision to take life.
It's obvious from your statement that you feel yourself superior (self important) to that animal and state that it's advancement would be to become a human. Maybe it's the other way around.
You have the choice not to eat, life does not force you to do that. You choose it for self-important reasons.
You're grasping at straws to defend an untenable positon.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793748 - 02/11/12 04:28 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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What have I always said about posters whose only argument is to redefine word on-the-fly?
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793758 - 02/11/12 04:30 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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And sometimes humans kill and eat other humans. Humanity has a long history of this kind of unconditional love.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793782 - 02/11/12 04:37 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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As long as you kill them with kindness.
Sort of like how the USA saved Iraq from the hands of a 'madman' by killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and destroying their infrastructure - out of love.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15793798 - 02/11/12 04:41 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Your retorts lack. Loving unconditionally is wanting the best for all. I know I can do more good than the animal or plants that I eat, so I see my position in this Circle as a priority, on a level higher than an animal because of my capabilities. It would be an act of hate toward myself and the universe to throw my gifts away by not eating. I want the highest for all, so I must manifest the highest for all, if I don't, then my love is not complete. Knowing that, my eating the part is an act of love for the whole, which is greater than the part.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793820 - 02/11/12 04:44 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I think Icey can do more good than you. So it must be OK if he 
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
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Your retorts lack. Loving unconditionally is wanting the best for all. I know I can do more good than the animal or plants that I eat, so I see my position in this Circle as a priority, on a level higher than an animal because of my capabilities. It would be an act of hate toward myself and the universe to throw my gifts away by not eating. I want the highest for all, so I must manifest the highest for all, if I don't, then my love is not complete. Knowing that, my eating the part is an act of love for the whole, which is greater than the part.
Of course you are going to think you are more important than other living creatures and will justify it any way you can. This is the height of hubris. Its not just you. It's humanity in general and why so many other creatures have been pushed aside and or caged so you can eat their flesh.
By the way no other animal has ever called me a troll and other nasty shit. And no other animal has had to be warned about poor behavior by a moderator. IMO almost any other animals behavior is superior to your behavior.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793937 - 02/11/12 05:08 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I know I can do more good than the animal or plants that I eat
Really? That sounds like a rationalization to justify what your rile against.
You kill and eat at least as many (probably far more) creatures than the animals you love so much kill and eat. The lesser of evils is for YOU to die so that fewer have to give their lives in the final equation. Yet here you are causing far more death and suffering than your absence would, and defending it to boot.
I do not see you contributing anything good to the universe. On the contrary. I see you contributing only to your own selfish good and fuck everything else you kill and eat.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. We all do that. It's part of nature. What I find fucked up is how people delude themselves and live in constant denial with the bullshit in the OP.
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I proved you wrong bigtime Mr. Ice, but your emotion won't accept it. Humans have superior capabilities, it is dictated by the Universe itself, if you would say that killing a fly and killing a human is the same, that is stupid, and you know it.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15793946 - 02/11/12 05:10 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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We do know that one white person is worth about three brown/black people.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
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-You kill and eat at least as many (probably far more) creatures than the animals you love so much kill and eat.
That is stupid as well. Can an animal speak out against ignorance?
-I do not see you contributing anything good to the universe.
Then you are wasting your precious time by limiting the capabilities of man. Men can be Gods, men can consciously manifest supreme love, animals cannot.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp] 1
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I proved you wrong bigtime Mr. Ice, but your emotion won't accept it. Humans have superior capabilities, it is dictated by the Universe itself, if you would say that killing a fly and killing a human is the same, that is stupid, and you know it.
No I don't know it or believe it. Unconditional love treats everything as equal. The only thing you have exhibited here is your obsessive self love. And almost everyone here but you can see it.
And I wonder if you can run as fast as a fox or fly like a bat with your own radar or have the vision of an eagle and I could go on all day like this. In fact you mostly lay claim to your superiority by what other humans have done. I really doubt you designed the car you drive or computer you use.
In fact one night alone in the wilderness in winter would show you the superiority of other creatures.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
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-You kill and eat at least as many (probably far more) creatures than the animals you love so much kill and eat.
That is stupid as well. Can an animal speak out against ignorance?
-I do not see you contributing anything good to the universe.
Then you are wasting your precious time by limiting the capabilities of man. Men can be Gods, men can consciously manifest supreme love, animals cannot.
My god what hubris. You set a really great example of thinking that reminds me very much of what happened in Nazi Germany.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15794035 - 02/11/12 05:28 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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That is stupid as well. Can an animal speak out against ignorance?
What puts you above ignorance? All I see coming from you are insults and self-important pronouncements that you are superior to other forms of life. So much so that you have a right to use violence to take their life and eat them without their consent. That reads like ignorance. 
Then you are wasting your precious time
It's mine to waste buddy.
Men can be Gods
Man, your world view is the very definition of arrogance and unenlightenment.
men can consciously manifest supreme love, animals cannot.
Really? I don't see animals fucking each other over for land, resources, oil, or idiotic mystical beliefs.
I don't see them justifying their killing and eating other animals with bullshit platitudes about them killing and eating others for the greater good. So much for man's supreme love.
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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fireworks_god
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15794063 - 02/11/12 05:32 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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WakeUp said:
....if I love happiness, then I hate unhappiness.
If you truly loved and embraced happiness, then you wouldn't sour one's own experience with feeling hatred towards something. 
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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
 
 
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15794073 - 02/11/12 05:33 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
First of I've hands down refuted any notion of the existence of unconditional love here for many many years.
I'm sure you've attempted to refute such a notion. I doubt you actually accomplished it though. 
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Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Diploid
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15794079 - 02/11/12 05:34 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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In fact one night alone in the wilderness in winter would show you the superiority of other creatures.
Yeah it's easy to claim superiority over other animals from a warm house built with the labor and skills of others, typing on a computer invented by scientists, powered by generators built by engineers, with a refrigerator full of food bought with all the effort of a stroll down a paved and lighted street.
I'd love to see this guy survive one day swimming in the middle of the North Atlantic or in the wilderness in winter the way "lesser" animals do every day.
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Icelander
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fireworks_god said:
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Icelander said:
First of I've hands down refuted any notion of the existence of unconditional love here for many many years.
I'm sure you've attempted to refute such a notion. I doubt you actually accomplished it though.
Not for guys like Wakeup and maybe you. 
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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WakeUp
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander]
#15794144 - 02/11/12 05:53 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Nature does not treat all alike. She helps those who love, and drives crazy those that hate. Nature loves me and if I go unto her she will keep me, I will be deep in the forest by a stream with deadly animals on all sides, and I will not fear. I will sleep alone on the forest floor and she will protect me. She created me, she preserves me, and she will destroy this body, that my consciousness created. I am consciousness, all is me and I am all, and I will not fear.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15794247 - 02/11/12 06:18 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Wow I can see why teknix likes you. 
Could anyone be more ignorant of how nature operates?
A Darwin award awaits you out in nature. I suggest you go collect it.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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iconoclast56 said:
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deCypher said:
You can demonstrate your altruism by donating $20 to me via Paypal ( for details). I urgently await your altruism in action.
Altruism for the altruistic. I wouldn't go giving my money to some rich corporation simply because they want it.
I'm no rich corporation; I'm but a poor starving student! 
By donating $20 to me you will plant a seed of altruism in my heart, whereby I will pay the good vibes forward until a chain reaction engulfs mankind and turns the planet into a Utopia for one and all. 
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: deCypher]
#15794664 - 02/11/12 07:38 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Nice try.
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deCypher
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Kickle] 1
#15794700 - 02/11/12 07:44 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Hey, this is a cynicism-free thread!
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: deCypher]
#15794715 - 02/11/12 07:46 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Icelander
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: deCypher]
#15794766 - 02/11/12 07:55 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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deCypher said:
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iconoclast56 said:
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deCypher said:
You can demonstrate your altruism by donating $20 to me via Paypal ( for details). I urgently await your altruism in action.
Altruism for the altruistic. I wouldn't go giving my money to some rich corporation simply because they want it.
I'm no rich corporation; I'm but a poor starving student!
By donating $20 to me you will plant a seed of altruism in my heart, whereby I will pay the good vibes forward until a chain reaction engulfs mankind and turns the planet into a Utopia for one and all.
You won't believe this but one time here I called a buddhist on this very thing and he sent me $100. Then the next year at Xmas he sent me books on Buddhism that I sold on Craigs list. 
So I guess it's always worth a shot.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Icelander] 1
#15794854 - 02/11/12 08:09 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Wow, a believer who actually practices what he preaches. I'm impressed.
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp] 1
#15795334 - 02/11/12 09:47 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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WakeUp said:
Humans have superior capabilities, it is dictated by the Universe itself
you are without doubt the most ignorant poster i have ever read. you must be a troll or someones puppet. i find it hard to believe that anyone could actually believe the garbage you have posted. the lack of critical thinking is soul crushing. your posts have renewed my faith in humanities stupidity.
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Diploid
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Diploid] 2
#15795467 - 02/11/12 10:18 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Alright guys, let's drop the personalisms. Even a moron and a troll and an idiot and a guy with an ugly tie can all make a valid point. Calling someone names or pointing out that they dress funny does nothing to refute their argument.
Attack the arguments on the table and leave the people out of the discussion. The people participating in the debate are irrelevant.
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: Diploid]
#15795481 - 02/11/12 10:21 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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and a guy with an ugly tie can all make a valid point
I don't think so. 
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BlueCoyote
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Re: Likeminded people [Re: WakeUp]
#15796047 - 02/12/12 01:21 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Soon, if not already, we have destroyed the natural conditions that would be needed to live such a self-sustaining life in harmony and reasonable combination with a self-sustaining ecosystem on our planet.
I keep my respect for people who still wish for that and do their little parts towards, like I do too. At least, hope dies last.
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