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 bananaman
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 Afterlife Placebo Effect?
#15789476 - 02/10/12 04:37 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Do you think it could be that whatever you think happens when you die will actually happen? For all people.
In other words, what you you are expecting to happen, happens. No matter who you are or what you believe in. Hindus are reincarnated, Buddhists are reborn, Muslims go to Jannat/Jahannam, Christians and Jews go to Heaven/Hell, atheists turn into energy or whatever.. and so on and so forth...
Maybe no one's beliefs are wrong, and there are no surprises..
Does anyone get what I'm saying? Do you think one's beliefs could shape what actually happens when he/she dies? Like a placebo effect..
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: bananaman]
#15789534 - 02/10/12 04:51 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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That would suck for all those people who think that they just blink out of existence. It would also suck because then all those idiots blowing themselves up for lols would get like fifty virgins or whatever.
On the upside, maybe we could all start believing that the afterlife is a giant field of magic mushrooms surrounded by rivers of LSD and forests filled with naked hot chicks who really want you.
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: nooneman]
#15789588 - 02/10/12 05:05 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Well I think that going to meet a bunch of virgins for doing some jihad bombing shit is a flawed belief. I think there is a hell for people like that. But Hell in my opinion is the "blinked out existence" that you mentioned. Pure nothingness.
But people like you and me can and should look forward to mushroom fields and LSD rivers. I mean, why not?
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: bananaman]
#15789645 - 02/10/12 05:26 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Sure, and its possible that Mary Poppins is out there doling spoonfulls of sugar to help the medicine go down and then riding an air current away on her magic umbrella. But since there is no emotionally fueled reason for me to believe that without experience or evidence, I don't put much stock into it. I take the same approach to an afterlife. I'm ok not knowing because my emotions don't cause me to buy into whatever possibility assures me the best future. I take all the ideas with a tiny grain of a grain of salt.
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: Kickle]
#15790687 - 02/10/12 10:17 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Right. Who knows what will happen? That's why we should neither accept nor judge any single ideaology.
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: bananaman]
#15790734 - 02/10/12 10:30 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I'm game for not knowing 
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: Kickle]
#15790769 - 02/10/12 10:44 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
Kickle said:
I'm game for not knowing
Ignorance is bliss! 
There's absolutely no way of knowing anyway so why bank on somebody's guess? lol
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: bananaman] 1
#15790811 - 02/10/12 10:56 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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bananaman said:
Well I think that going to meet a bunch of virgins for doing some jihad bombing shit is a flawed belief. I think there is a hell for people like that.
WTF? You can't have it both ways. It's their beliefs, not yours, that decide their afterlife, right?
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#15790869 - 02/10/12 11:17 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I see your point. You're right, I completely contradicted myself there but that is because I think that some people are screwed no matter what they believe in; terrorists, rapists, serial killers, people like that. That's just my opinion. I think you have to be worthy of an "afterlife" whatever the hell it may be. I also think that most people, all across the religion spectrum, are worthy of an "afterlife."
I just meant to say that some people don't deserve "it", but who am I to judge?
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: bananaman]
#15791708 - 02/11/12 07:10 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
bananaman said:
Do you think it could be that whatever you think happens when you die will actually happen? For all people.
In other words, what you you are expecting to happen, happens. No matter who you are or what you believe in. Hindus are reincarnated, Buddhists are reborn, Muslims go to Jannat/Jahannam, Christians and Jews go to Heaven/Hell, atheists turn into energy or whatever.. and so on and so forth...
Maybe no one's beliefs are wrong, and there are no surprises..
Does anyone get what I'm saying? Do you think one's beliefs could shape what actually happens when he/she dies? Like a placebo effect..
Yes. This has been my experience and the experience of others who travel out-of-body and visit the dead. Many astral environments are "consensus belief territories" which are created by the beliefs and expectations of the inhabitants. Many end up in self-created hells, if they are riddled by guilt or other negative emotions. Many are very confused, and if they don't believe in something after death, they may hang around the physical and not even know they are dead.
"Our service to the dead in not narrowed to our prayers, but may be as wide as our imagination." - Yeats
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15793219 - 02/11/12 02:26 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said:
This has been my experience and the experience of others who travel out-of-body and visit the dead. Many astral environments are "consensus belief territories" which are created by the beliefs and expectations of the inhabitants. Many end up in self-created hells, if they are riddled by guilt or other negative emotions. Many are very confused, and if they don't believe in something after death, they may hang around the physical and not even know they are dead.
"Our service to the dead in not narrowed to our prayers, but may be as wide as our imagination." - Yeats
Does this belief system allow for multiple rebirths? Could Earth be one of these consensus realities?
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#15793322 - 02/11/12 02:56 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I think Earth is a consensus reality within a more rigid framework (the physical reality rule set).
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15793344 - 02/11/12 03:04 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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So is there some higher mind that came up with the physical rule set as a sort of playground for us lesser beings?
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#15793544 - 02/11/12 03:43 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yea, in a way. It's just a play of consciousness within a sea of consciousness. Nothing to anthropomorphize when you go beyond our level. In a way I see Earth as a school.
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15794062 - 02/11/12 05:32 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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c0sm0naut knows whats up. 
That Yeats quote pretty much summed up what I had to say...
But I still wish more people took this perspective. We'd probably all get along better, instead of judging each other's "insane" beliefs, because it very well may be that most* of us are right when it comes to life beyond death. I think afterlife can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you deserve it.
*I say most because terrorists, rapists, serial killers end up in "self-created hells" you mentioned. IMHO they are not worthy of enlightenment.
"Life is what you make of it" <-- maybe this quote applies to the next level.
Who knows for sure though?
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Re: Afterlife Placebo Effect? [Re: robbye]
#15794355 - 02/11/12 06:43 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
robbye said:
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Kickle said:
I'm game for not knowing
Ignorance is bliss!
There's absolutely no way of knowing anyway so why bank on somebody's guess? lol
yeah I wouldn't even bank on my own guess 'cause I've been wrong before. Lots of times actually 
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