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 johnm214
 
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 Re: Science being a religion to people. [Re: Zanthius]
#15801790 - 02/13/12 05:09 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
I've not observed anything like what you describe except in lay people who are quite ignorant about science (secondary school teachers, journalists, et cet) or social scientists who often aren't accurately described as scientists at all.
Ignorant about science? Do you think that PhD students in biotechnology/biochemistry need to know anything about the philosophy of science? They need to know how to use the lab equipment and they need to know how to write scientific reports. That's about it. PhD students studying the "philosophy of science" are probably much less ignorant of these things than most scientists themselves.
I suppose they don't need to know science neccesarily, but it would seem difficult to be compotent at a doctoral level in many positions without some idea, as any research, publication, and so on would tend to rely on such things.
Writing a scientific report requires knowledge of what you proved, if anything, and this requires an understanding of science, generally. Using equipment and producing a useful result, let alone one that answers a particular question, is a distinction that requires some scientific understanding.
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It doesn't appear you've provided even a single example or aspect of buddhism, nor alternatives, that are superior to science in any aspect.
Of course. You're the one who keeps using science as the standard that others must rise to, not me 
Then what was the point of your post where you stated buddhism was of similar efficacy to science, if you were not "using science as the standard that others must rise to"? What was the relevance of the post where you take issue with my claim that science is the best methodology and claim that is questionable and that other satisfactory methodologies exist?
For taking issue with my endorsement of science, you've not made a case that an alternative even exists, let alone one superior in any respect, ever.
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You neglected the following sentence which put forth much the same point diecommie did, but science can detect dark matter, which is how we know of it.
It doesn't necessarily need to be dark matter. There are other hypotheses like modified newtonian dynamics or scalar–tensor–vector gravity which also try to explain the galaxy rotation problem. I don't necessarily believe in any of those hypotheses, but I am not so convinced of the dark matter hypothesis either.
Yes, I know it doesn't need to be dark matter- this is why I asked for an example of any phenomena that could exist and not be scientificialy accesible. The examples you mention are obervable in the same ways dark matter is, and these don't represent something science can't detect (along with ESP, telepathy, chi, and so forth)
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 Kickle
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Re: Science being a religion to people. [Re: johnm214]
#15802315 - 02/13/12 09:27 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Then what was the point of your post where you stated buddhism was of similar efficacy to science, if you were not "using science as the standard that others must rise to"? What was the relevance of the post where you take issue with my claim that science is the best methodology and claim that is questionable and that other satisfactory methodologies exist?
For taking issue with my endorsement of science, you've not made a case that an alternative even exists, let alone one superior in any respect, ever.
No point I guess 
It seems we're talking at odds without even trying to 
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Re: Science being a religion to people. [Re: Kickle] 1
#15804998 - 02/13/12 06:36 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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What I find really interesting is that the classic flood myth has wormed it's way into science under the guise of climate change, however strangely as a future event instead of a past event.
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Re: Science being a religion to people. [Re: Jwlst]
#15805399 - 02/13/12 07:43 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Sorry to have vanished my internet got shut off. I will try to catch up on my own thread, but I am glad it is still going!
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