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Everyone wants what is best for them, how can someone want what they haven't experienced before without another telling them that it is better? Besides, without a balance there is no world or surprise or excitement, nada. Good n evil, smart n stupid, empty n full, all the opposing forces. Imagine where the laughter would go without people doing stupid things.
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 Icelander
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iThink said:
Say it to my face! 
I don't do that sort of thing with psychopaths.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Icelander said:
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iThink said:
Say it to my face!
I don't do that sort of thing with psychopaths.
I will torture you as i empathize with your pain. 
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 Re: Cynical  [Re: Kickle] 1
#15789248 - 02/10/12 03:44 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I am so darn cynical. I can't seem to find decency in very many humans. Is it me?
Oh probably. A lot of people like to spot injustice and indecency. It's natural but it feels good and is pretty addictive. You can find some indecency in everyone, and if you get off on that, then in no time you have a confirmation bias problem.
Question: have you ever done anything that you might have condemned another person for? Of course you have.
So here's what happens. You spot some indecency in someone, then you probably don't look very carefully for decency in that person anymore, assuming you ever did.
I notice that I find a lot of decency in people I know pretty well, and less in people I don't know very well. If you have a worldview that humans are generally shitty (sounds like you do) then your confirmation bias will find something shitty about everyone pretty early on. Then you don't have to look for decency anymore because it feels like you have them pegged.
It's fair to say, then, that you can expect the human world to look shittier than it really is -- to you, that is, which is good news 
So get to know the shitty people anyway, remember you are one sometimes (from some angles, to some people) and you will see most of the others are less shitty than you thought, I bet.
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~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Kickle
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Well it was my parents who inspired this post so some of what you are saying goes out the window. The other thing I noticed is that you are talking about looking down on others to feel good about ones self. How can you talk about this tendency and yet not find that a good basis for being cynical?
Being cynical is not a black and white phenomena IME. For the most part I enjoy people and that is because it benefits me more than to not enjoy them. But I remain cynical. Being cynical does not necessarily wipe the ability to enjoy the plus sides of human interaction out. It does however give another side to the coin. Any honest look at humans IMO will reveal what inspires cynacism.
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Icelander
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your standards of decency are really low. 
Haven't seen you posting for awhile. How's tricks?
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Kickle
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I feel very fortunate to have enough money that I can avoid people most all the time.
See, money can buy happiness.
I'd be a lot more isolated if I wasn't working that's for sure. Not sure if I'd be happier or not but I suspect so 
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Everything I said is true no matter what your standard.
Things are good. 
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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Re: Cynical [Re: Kickle]
#15791574 - 02/11/12 06:05 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Sounds like you had your mind made up before you asked 
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Icelander
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Everything I said is true
According to you. 
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Kickle
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WhiskeyClone said:
Sounds like you had your mind made up before you asked
Certainly I've contemplated what you wrote before. If you don't want to have any further dialogue about it (I asked you some questions) then you haven't given me anything new to work with.
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Re: Cynical [Re: Kickle]
#15792034 - 02/11/12 09:14 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
Who are you to judge their learned actions, behaviors, and misdeeds?
Well, he's the "who" that has to deal with people and make sure he's safe from their actions in regards to him and his culture. Each of us is a judge on these issues.
Safe from their actions?
Phooey.
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Kickle said:
I am so darn cynical. I can't seem to find decency in very many humans. Is it me?
Yes it is you.
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Kickle
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Cool. Glad you've given this some consideration and can verbalize it well.
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Icelander
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mrspirit2 said:
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Icelander said:
Who are you to judge their learned actions, behaviors, and misdeeds?
Well, he's the "who" that has to deal with people and make sure he's safe from their actions in regards to him and his culture. Each of us is a judge on these issues.
Safe from their actions?
Phooey.
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Kickle said:
I am so darn cynical. I can't seem to find decency in very many humans. Is it me?
Yes it is you.
What lame responses. You have said nothing. Buck up and give your reasons or stfu.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Cynical [Re: Kickle]
#15792184 - 02/11/12 10:09 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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mrspirit2
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Kickle said:
I am so darn cynical. I can't seem to find decency in very many humans. Is it me?
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Icelander said:
Well, he's the "who" that has to deal with people and make sure he's safe from their actions in regards to him and his culture. Each of us is a judge on these issues.
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Icelander said:
What lame responses. You have said nothing. Buck up and give your reasons or stfu.
You have said nothing other than your basis for being cynical is out of fear.
PHOOOOOEY
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Icelander
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So? All all animals act out of fear to preserve themselves. The animal that cannot learn from experience is going to be gone. This is why many young don't make it into midlife and old age.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Cynical [Re: Kickle]
#15792257 - 02/11/12 10:37 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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What you say is true!
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