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97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust
    #15785348 - 02/09/12 06:24 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust
February 9, 2012 - MSNBC

DENVER -- Seventy-five people were arrested and 18 more were being sought Thursday in what Colorado authorities described as the largest drug bust in the state’s history.

In a series of raids conducted by more than 500 agents and officers, authorities seized 11 weapons, including assault rifles and handguns, $415,140 in cash, and more 26,000 grams of cocaine, 1,000 grams of crack and a pound of methamphetamine.

Among those arrested were 25 alleged gang members and associates who have also been charged in connection with 16 violent "take-over" bank robberies in Colorado, authorities said.

Twelve children were removed from homes where agents say drugs, guns and cash were stored.

Several of those arrested made their first court appearances Thursday and were advised of their rights. They will be arraigned next week.

The arrests are a culmination of four separate crime investigations that agents noticed were overlapping with the common goal of drug trafficking.

“Today our streets are safer, and the drug trade in Colorado has suffered a massive blow,” U.S. Attorney John Wlash said in a press release.

He called the arrests the largest drug bust in Colorado history.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: veggie]
    #15785364 - 02/09/12 06:27 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

26 kilos of coke? Yeesh.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Doc_T]
    #15785646 - 02/09/12 07:29 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Doesn't sound like that big of a drug bust still....was that even $1 million of drugs wholesale? I know the street value is probably over 1 but this still seems like not too much


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: veggie]
    #15785833 - 02/09/12 08:08 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

500 agents?  Bigger government for all the elects.:super:


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: timelapses]
    #15785836 - 02/09/12 08:09 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: veggie] * 4
    #15785904 - 02/09/12 08:27 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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...and thus concludes the long and hard fought drug war, as the citizens of the world have finally decided that selling lucrative black market goods for outrageous profit just isn't worth the jail-time and court costs. All drug dealers and suppliers have now realized the error of their ways and committed themselves to getting wholesome day jobs, despite the noticeably huge dip in their yearly income.




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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: timelapses]
    #15785909 - 02/09/12 08:28 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Biggest Bust of the week again? :facepalm:


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: timelapses] * 4
    #15785944 - 02/09/12 08:39 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Huge bust, now how much do 500 agents cost? Also whats the going rate for 97 prison cells and 10 foster kids for x amount of time?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: sk8ordude]
    #15785962 - 02/09/12 08:46 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

you're right. exile would be much more effective.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: sk8ordude]
    #15785989 - 02/09/12 08:53 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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sk8ordude said:
Huge bust, now how much do 500 agents cost? Also whats the going rate for 97 prison cells and 10 foster kids for x amount of time?




You can always buy stock in prisons, lol. Profiting off of that, fuck them.  This fucking world is not civilized despite every attempt from the media to make it seem so, especially in the States.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: sk8ordude] * 2
    #15786019 - 02/09/12 08:59 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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sk8ordude said:
Huge bust, now how much do 500 agents cost?




1000 * 500
500000


If the average agent spent a week on this investigation, that would cost over a half million dollars in salaries alone. The true cost is at least twice that.

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Also whats the going rate for 97 prison cells




40000 * 97
3880000


$3,880,000 per year.

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and 10 foster kids for x amount of time?




10 * 20 * 365
73000


$73,000 per year.


Total cost of this operation, if the average offender gets 5 years:

1000000 + 3880000 * 5 + 73000 * 5
20765000

$20,765,000.00



Your tax dollars, hard at work putting humans into boxes.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15786054 - 02/09/12 09:10 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

YES!!! But they have families and are fighting for the right and good, it's justified in the eyes of the public no matter what figures you put up.

But you like a lawyer, and I trust your inputs, seems like you do your research or maybe you have a background in law.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15786076 - 02/09/12 09:16 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

It wouldn't be so profitable if they didn't spend mad tax dollars putting people into boxes, for either side. I just wish it wasn't my hard earned money funding it (I'm sure there were some federal charges somewhere).

But yeah 26+ keys of coke is off the streets, meanwhile a few more tons have just crossed the border, and a vacuum has been created for somebody else to make a come up, so they can eventually waste more tax dollars.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: timelapses]
    #15786086 - 02/09/12 09:18 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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timelapses said:
But you like a lawyer, and I trust your inputs, seems like you do your research





3 minutes on google, using very specific search terms.


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or maybe you have a background in law.




No, my background is mostly in computer hacking and mushroom taxonomy.

Law is one of my hobbies though.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: veggie]
    #15786139 - 02/09/12 09:32 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Thanks for the numbers AR. I think they might be a little conservative though.  So much money involved that people never realize

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Among those arrested were 25 alleged gang members and associates who have also been charged in connection with 16 violent "take-over" bank robberies in Colorado, authorities said.



I hate to say it but
These are the type of people the pigs should be spending their time on.  I don't see what everyone's so pissed about.


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Twelve children were removed from homes where agents say drugs, guns and cash were stored.



Well, tough to translate the pig speak here.  Could just mean they were in the same house, responsibly stored out of reach of the kids,  could mean they were out in the open endangering the children.  Tough to tell without being there.




It takes a long time and a lot of money to for the cops to work up from the one person busted with a dime bag up to the guys with 20kilos.  Lots of narcing on friends involved I'm sure


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15786156 - 02/09/12 09:36 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Just because you made the bust and stole all the drugs and claimed their value as yours, doesn't mean you are going to get any value off them.

Cops don't sell the drugs, just cost tax payers. They are hurting the economy.

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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Beefy1] * 1
    #15786196 - 02/09/12 09:48 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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Thanks for the numbers AR. I think they might be a little conservative though.  So much money involved that people never realize




Yes they are very conservative.  There are so many costs that are not factored in to those numbers.

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I hate to say it but
These are the type of people the pigs should be spending their time on.  I don't see what everyone's so pissed about.




It is great that they got some bank robbers.  Not that I like banks all that much.

But much of this effort was against drug smugglers.  Seems like they lumped the bank robbers in with them to give them all a bad name.

We should arrest robbers and leave the victimless crimes unprosecuted.  Unfortunately, this operation puts them all in the same cell.  And the drug criminals will receive more prison time than the real criminals.

People who grow lots of pot plants, even if they are all very small, get more time than rapists and child molesters.  Justice is elusive.

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It takes a long time and a lot of money to for the cops to work up from the one person busted with a dime bag up to the guys with 20kilos.  Lots of narcing on friends involved I'm sure




Yes.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #15786292 - 02/09/12 10:16 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

good dont need scum like that on the streets at all.... hope they sit in jail for a long long time...


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15786313 - 02/09/12 10:21 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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good dont need scum like that on the streets at all.... hope they sit in jail for a long long time...



Your joking right?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15786321 - 02/09/12 10:22 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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good dont need scum like that on the streets at all.... hope they sit in jail for a long long time...




How do you know they are scum?  All 97 of them?  I find that hard to believe.

What if someone called you a scum, just because you had some controlled substances in your house?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15786617 - 02/09/12 11:47 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

This guys is my land lord, he rented me the house. He had no idea that I was a drug dealer, but he got on trials too. He would be #95. Oh, and my mom was #96 for raising me, she's going to jail too.

#97 was actually the company I worked for, since corporations are people now as well.

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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #15786883 - 02/10/12 01:17 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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Should I even post the troll face after this post? Lol.




Nah.  I was #94, nabbed because I came over to smoke a bowl.  And then the cops came in.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #15787655 - 02/10/12 07:37 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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Doesn't sound like that big of a drug bust still....was that even $1 million of drugs wholesale? I know the street value is probably over 1 but this still seems like not too much




Just barely $1M if they don't break those keys down into crack.  More if they convert it.

Coke, crack and meth within organized crime sounds like a good bust to me.  Worth the time and resources for this little blip in the black market?  No way.

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Cops don't sell the drugs




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    #15787711 - 02/10/12 07:58 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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Cops don't sell the drugs




You sure?





I have used drugs that came from cops.  In this case, the cop was growing weed in his garage.




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    #15788470 - 02/10/12 12:56 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

I mean coke, crack, and meth.  All shitty drugs in my opinion, so it has many positives along with the list of negatives stated earlier.  If it was weed, shrooms, or LSD I'd be very dissapointed, especially because I'd like to go to school in Colorado. :smirk:


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Phenom]
    #15788544 - 02/10/12 01:12 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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I mean coke, crack, and meth.  All shitty drugs in my opinion, so it has many positives along with the list of negatives stated earlier.  If it was weed, shrooms, or LSD I'd be very dissapointed, especially because I'd like to go to school in Colorado. :smirk:



What you talking about? This is the first time you posted in this thread unless........................... you are a puppet :shrug:


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #15788640 - 02/10/12 01:37 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Dude the CIA, DEA, FBI, DHS all probably move significant amounts of drugs for "enforcement" policies. People need to see that there is a fine balance and that we all need to learn to abide by it otherwise everyone is going to end up fucking everyone in the inevitable end.


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    #15788652 - 02/10/12 01:40 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

That shit has been happening for a very long time now.  WAKE THE FUCK UP, not to you but to society.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15789300 - 02/10/12 03:56 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Jdiz said:
good dont need scum like that on the streets at all.... hope they sit in jail for a long long time...




How do you know they are scum?  All 97 of them?  I find that hard to believe.

What if someone called you a scum, just because you had some controlled substances in your house?



I'd hate to break it to you but anyone with kilos of coke and a pound of meth along with automatic weapons probably isn't the nicest guy around. You'd be naive to think people haven't died because of most of these people.


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    #15789358 - 02/10/12 04:08 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
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Jdiz said:
good dont need scum like that on the streets at all.... hope they sit in jail for a long long time...




How do you know they are scum?  All 97 of them?  I find that hard to believe.

What if someone called you a scum, just because you had some controlled substances in your house?



I'd hate to break it to you but anyone with kilos of coke and a pound of meth along with automatic weapons probably isn't the nicest guy around. You'd be naive to think people haven't died because of most of these people.



No I'd say you are naive for thinking that they caused the death of anyone. What would lead you to believe the caused the death of anyone? They are not being charged with murder are they?


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    #15790558 - 02/10/12 09:45 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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I'd hate to break it to you but anyone with kilos of coke and a pound of meth along with automatic weapons probably isn't the nicest guy around.




Often true, but I think its more likely that some of them sucked and others were pretty cool people.  If police only arrested scumballs the war on drugs would not be nearly such a human tragedy.  But police generally arrest whoever they can catch, and often its the nicest people who go down.

Just because they had a kilo of coke and some guns doesn't mean that they go around shooting people.  Most drug dealers use firearms responsibly.  In the vast majority of cases, they use them only for self defense. 

The article didn't say they had automatic weapons - it said assault rifles and handguns.    The cops call a lot of things assault rifles - the civilian version .22 AR15 for example.  But it is not much different from any other .22 hunting rifle except that it looks more badass.


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You'd be naive to think people haven't died because of most of these people.




Given the low number of deaths in the USA from cocaine and meth despite the massive amount of use, I think it is pretty likely that no one died from their product.

Now the guy who works at 711 and sells cigarettes?  He has definitely killed people.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15791072 - 02/11/12 12:40 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

any one who needs guns ( guns kill people that is not cool)and has there own kids taken away is prob no good it's people like that who give weed and mushrooms a bad name.... and no im not joking y would u support gang bangers?? never said all 97 where bad but i dont support bad people and sry if you do shame on u:frown:


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15791084 - 02/11/12 12:44 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

and i would not have a controlled substance in my house and be selling it at the same time im a little smarter than that :laugh2:    rule one people dont shit where you eat


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15791586 - 02/11/12 06:10 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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any one who needs guns ( guns kill people that is not cool)and has there own kids taken away is prob no good




Guns are very cool when used responsibly.  I shot stuff with a shotgun in the desert this year on new years with a bunch of friends, it was great! 



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... and no im not joking y would u support gang bangers??





I am unwilling to condemn people I have never met based on the word of the police.  It is likely that some of them weren't in gangs, but were still ensnared by this operation.  I am sure that out of these 97 people, at least one, probably more, are very cool, excellent people.  There are a lot of ways to get caught up on this - They could be visiting the wrong house at the wrong time when it got raided. 

If I met the people and they were thuggish, I would feel fine condemning them a little bit.  Or a lot. 

But I know the police and media usually twist the facts and make people look like awful criminals in stories like these, while leaving out details that would make them look good.

I have seen the police/newspapers write articles about friends that were busted - I know they are good people, and the picture they paint is often very inaccurate.

This story makes lots of generalizations, and vilifies 97 people for the crimes of a few.  They only found 11 guns, and some people probably had 2 or 3 guns.  So the vast majority of these guys were unarmed.  How many of the people they raided only had a little weed, or no drugs at all?  Of course it doesn't say.

The gang members doing the take-over robberies are bad, but the majority of the people arrested were not involved with that.


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i dont support bad people and sry if you do shame on u:(




I dislike some bad people, but I consider the source of the information to be highly suspect, and there is clearly a vast amount of information that was left out of this short newspaper story. 







never said all 97 where bad but i dont support bad people and sry if you do shame on u:(




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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15791816 - 02/11/12 07:59 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

I think it's a little foolish to sit here and pretend that the coke trade is a non-violent industry. Wether you're skeptical of the news source or not - these people weren't driving cloud cars thru carebear land lol! Please tell? Where can a reliable news source be found?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15792687 - 02/11/12 12:20 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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any one who needs guns ( guns kill people that is not cool)and has there own kids taken away is prob no good it's people like that who give weed and mushrooms a bad name.... and no im not joking y would u support gang bangers?? never said all 97 where bad but i dont support bad people and sry if you do shame on u:(



Let's take a look at why they might have guns. Maybe for protection against thieves, or maybe the people that kick their door in to arrest them and take them away and lock them in a cage for a substance that should not be illegal. Pleas tell me of a war were only one side has weapons? The same reason the kids were taken away, because they were in a drug trafficking house. Well if drugs weren't illegal them kids would not have been taken away. So you support the drug laws that put these people in jail, also do you realize these drug laws make you to be a bad person too? You think cause you only like weed and mushrooms they aren't going to lock you in a cage and make you out to be a bad person?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: The Influence]
    #15792787 - 02/11/12 12:39 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

you are telling me that coak is ok>???? watch some CNN more people are killed cause of that nasty shit than people who died in the so called war we just pulled out of....I'm done with this convo....I have been to jail locked up with coak dealers thy have no care for human life I'm glad the cops took down some people like that...sry if the others where not that bad but maybe you shouldn't be hanging with coak and meth dealers....so stop justifying a horrible drug it's pathetic.....ya guns are cool if you use them right but i can bet you thy where not out there hunting big game lol th guns most likely where not even registered....for they can kill some one and toss it..


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    #15792832 - 02/11/12 12:47 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

And like i said i was locked up for 28 months still dose not chang my mind...you get to see the tru scum of the earth in prison...woke my ass up....and if they had weed they might serve time maybe...but not that long i know that for a fact


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    #15792844 - 02/11/12 12:52 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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you are telling me that coak is ok>???? watch some CNN more people are killed cause of that nasty shit than people who died in the so called war we just pulled out of....I'm done with this convo dont see....I have been to jail locked up with coak dealers thy have no care for human life I'm glad the cops took down some people like that...sry if the others where not that bad but maybe you shouldn't be hanging with coak and meth dealers....so stop justifying a horrible drug it's pathetic.....ya guns are cool if you use them right but i can bet you thy where not out there hunting big game lol



First off its coke or cocaine not coak. And yes I believe that everyone should have the right to ingest whatever substance they want into their body, why shouldn't and adult choose what they put in their body? This is a war it's called The War on Drugs, started by President Nixon. More people have died from cocaine use than in the Iraqi war? Get real cocaine overdoses are very rare and even if someone died from an overdose it was and should be their choice what they put in their body. Please tell me whats so bad about cocaine? Do you know that our government gave our soldiers methamphetamines to help them keep fighting through fatigue in the World Wars? This is widely known and a quick google search will turns up tons of info. Do you know why Freeway Ricky Ross was released from a life sentence? Cause it was discovered the government was bringing in the cocaine he was selling to fund contras in Nicaragua.  You are the kind of person that just swallows up propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Alcohol is legal and has ruined more lives and has been responsible for more deaths than any other drug, but yet it's perfectly fine to drink it?
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And like i said i was locked up for 28 months still dose not chang my mind...you get to see the tru scum of the earth in prison...woke my ass up....and if they had weed they might serve time maybe...but not that long i know that for a fact



I got out of the joint two years ago, years of my life gone for our fucktard drug laws and selling someone a pill they wanted.


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    #15792911 - 02/11/12 01:12 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

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I think it's a little foolish to sit here and pretend that the coke trade is a non-violent industry.





The cocaine industry is only violent due to prohibition.  Before it was illegal, cocaine was common on the US and could be purchased at any drug store.  It did not start to cause crime and violence until it was forced underground.


If alcohol was illegal, the same arguments would apply and the violence would skyrocket.  Or coffee, tobacco or anything else that people want.


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Yes, if sourced ethically and used responsibly.

Unfortunately, drug prohibition laws make it difficult to source ethically.  It is possible though - You can order a kilo of coca leaves directly from farmers in peru via a well known website, and use the leaves directly or do an extraction in your kitchen.



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watch some CNN more people are killed cause of that nasty shit than people who died in the so called war we just pulled out of....




Cocaine overdoses kill few people - so few that it is difficult to find the exact number of deaths.  The number is low enough that anti-drug people keep it very quiet.

Cocaine prohibition kills a large number of people, a few in the US but mostly in South America.

If the drug warriors were honest and published the number of overdose deaths next to the number of collateral deaths, the prohibition of cocaine would be a hard sell indeed.  Since logical arguments can not be used effectively to defend the prohibition of cocaine, they turn to the "save our children" argument.

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That is an effect of cocaine prohibition.  Before prohibition, cocaine dealers were every day people with legit jobs and there was no "evil coak dealers".

It is unfair to blame cocaine dealers and users for the unintended consequences of the governments ill advised "war on some drugs".

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I'm glad the cops took down some people like that...




I find your support for the policies that kill, imprison and impoverish so many difficult to understand.  Do you want cocaine use to continue to be a horrible, deadly blight on society?  Then continue to support its prohibition and the arrest and incarceration of cocaine dealers.

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so stop justifying a horrible drug it's pathetic.




Do you have any evidence that cocaine is a horrible drug? 

Your argument seems to be that cocaine is bad because it is illegal and deadly, and that it is illegal and deadly because it is bad.  This kind of circular logic only works on people who have not thought about the issue carefully.

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.I'm done with this convo.





Wait, how could you be done with this convo?  You just joined it, and you haven't even explained your point of view yet.

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Do you know that our government gave our soldiers methamphetamines to help them keep fighting through fatigue in the World Wars?




And even more recently than that.  The US Air Force was recently criticized for giving its pilots speed when some US Air Force pilots, high on amphetamines and very sleep deprived, accidentally bombed Canadians in Afghanistan in 2002.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnak_Farm_incident


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    #15793051 - 02/11/12 01:47 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

never said OD I'm talking about how it gets here and yes more people where killed in one year than in the Iraq war over that shit... sry u did two years..you did not do two years for a first offense tho for one pill....and there are very legit reasons of why that shit is band ya we all now it was used in medicines and coca-cola but it is highly addictive and people would rather do that shit than feed there kids...
umm i don't even think 6000 people died in the war lol keep supporting all this murderer go on ahead


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    #15793079 - 02/11/12 01:53 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

and more people go to the ER in the usa for cocaine than any other drug....ummm ok dose that not ring a fucking bell in any ones head or let me guess they do what they want right.... well if we let drugs like that nasty shit be ok we are no better than any other shit whole country


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    #15793081 - 02/11/12 01:53 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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never said OD I'm talking about how it gets here and yes more people where killed in one year than in the Iraq war over that shit...




If you are bothered by the bloody path cocaine takes to get here, you should be against its prohibition.

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and more people go to the ER in the usa for cocaine than any other drug...





Even if that were true, it would be in large part due to the unknown and widely varying purity of black market cocaine.


I did find a source that backs up your claim, but it is from a rather biased source.

"DAWN shows that over half of all the drug-related visits during 2005 involved an illicit drug alone or in combination with another drug. Cocaine was the most frequently cited, with 448,481 visits; marijuana was involved in 242,200 visits; heroin, in 164,572 visits; and stimulants, such as amphetamines and methamphetamine, in 138,950 visits. The numbers for heroin and stimulants were similar when the margin of error is considered. Other illicit drugs, such as PCP, Ecstasy, and GHB, were involved much less frequently."

http://www.samhsa.gov/newsroom/advisories/0703135521.aspx

As you can see from those numbers, ER mentions are a poor indicator of the safety profile of a drug.

A better indicator is deaths.  I can't find any US data, but the UK has one million cocaine users and 235 deaths. 


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15793102 - 02/11/12 01:59 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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never said OD I'm talking about how it gets here and yes more people where killed in one year than in the Iraq war over that shit... sry u did two years..you did not do two years for a first offense tho for one pill....and there are very legit reasons of why that shit is band ya we all now it was used in medicines and coca-cola but it is highly addictive and people would rather do that shit than feed there kids...
umm i don't even think 6000 people died in the war lol keep supporting all this murderer go on ahead



People die in war it is a sad fact of life. How man federal agents killed drug dealers and so forth? Alan laid it out for you even better than I did myself and you come with no logical argument as to why either of us are wrong. The same government that is locking up and killing people over these "oh so horrible drugs" are selling the drugs or giving them to the people themselves. How many opiate addicts are addicted because they started with pain pills the doctors gave them to help them? Now that they are addicted and using these drugs they get locked up for it. I use coke from time to time when the lady says I can splurge and at the age of 25 I have a good paying job and raising a daughter that has more than she actually needs. I'm not the only one like me, usually when I pick some up I have some friends that do it just like me and leave it alone after a night. But because some people can't handle themselves I have to suffer? Fuck that, I'm a grown man and don't need someone telling me what I can and can't do. Do you realize your on a pro-drug website spouting this non-sense? Take a look around mushrooms and weed are a fraction of our members use. Maybe you should take your prohibition ranting to a site more suited for it. We like our freedom to choose what we do with our bodies.
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and more people go to the ER in the usa for cocaine than any other drug....ummm ok dose that not ring a fucking bell in any ones head or let me guess they do what they want right.... well if we let drugs like that nasty shit be ok we are no better than any other shit whole country



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    #15793139 - 02/11/12 02:06 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

ya a war that is spilling into the usa cause of supporters like you...how dose that not make ur insides turn??? 80% of all cocaine is from south America so next time u sniff that shit think about who died for your little 30 min high...and no my friend that is not bull shit  let me find u a source if that will make you feel better


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    #15793170 - 02/11/12 02:14 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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ya a war that is spilling into the usa cause of supporters like you...




It is spilling into the USA because of drug prohibition.  Before cocaine was banned in 1911, no one died on the supply side, and no one was incarcerated on the demand side.


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how dose that not make ur insides turn???




It is illogical to blame users for collateral damage caused by the unfortunate and counterproductive drug policies we have today.

There will always be a demand for this chemical, and The Influence is not significantly affecting the demand in this country.  We can man up and find a way to supply that demand ethically, or we can keep going down the same dark path.


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It must be higher than that, 80% is from Colombia alone.

However I would catch the same charge if I were to grow Coca in my garden.



The war on cocaine has turned much of south american continent into a dangerous shithole.      This is the real tragedy - it is such a beautiful place.



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    #15793172 - 02/11/12 02:15 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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ya a war that is spilling into the usa cause of supporters like you...how dose that not make ur insides turn??? 80% of all cocaine is from south America so next time u sniff that shit think about who died for your little 30 min high...and no my friend that is not bull shit  let me find u a source if that will make you feel better



Are you serious? We didn't start prohibition, the government did. PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON started this war. If it weren't illegal people would be able to buy it and use it how they see fit, just like alcohol. Al Capone built his empire off of the prohibition of alcohol. I bet if you watched Refer Madness you wouldn't smoke weed ever again either. And yes please find a source for the claim on cocaine causing the most ER visits cause I know you can't.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: The Influence]
    #15793182 - 02/11/12 02:18 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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And yes please find a source for the claim on cocaine causing the most ER visits cause I know you can't.





"DAWN shows that over half of all the drug-related visits during 2005 involved an illicit drug alone or in combination with another drug. Cocaine was the most frequently cited, with 448,481 visits; marijuana was involved in 242,200 visits; heroin, in 164,572 visits; and stimulants, such as amphetamines and methamphetamine, in 138,950 visits. The numbers for heroin and stimulants were similar when the margin of error is considered. Other illicit drugs, such as PCP, Ecstasy, and GHB, were involved much less frequently."

http://www.samhsa.gov/newsroom/advisories/0703135521.aspx

As you can see from those numbers, ER mentions are a poor indicator of the safety profile of a drug.

If you take these guys at their word, marijuana is a damn dangerous drug as well.

A better indicator is deaths.  I can't find any US data (drug prohibitionists keep it quiet), but the UK has one million cocaine users and 235 deaths.


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  Ya heroin had more deaths what ever but still dude 15,000 people die from doing that shit how is that ok??? you cant justify death like that and the rate would be 5 times more if we allowed that shit in the usa


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    #15793215 - 02/11/12 02:25 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

if we let people buy drugs like that over the counter which is what you are suggesting the united states would be a shit hole go to the hood you want America looking like that.....


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  Ya heroin had more deaths what ever but still dude 15,000 people die from doing that shit how is that ok??? you cant justify death like that and the rate would be 5 times more if we allowed that shit in the usa



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if we let people buy drugs like that over the counter which is what you are suggesting the united states would be a shit hole go to the hood you want America looking like that.....



You are so ignorant of the truth it's mind-blowing. If drugs become legal that doesn't mean more people are going to start doing them. People are going to do them anyways. You know how many non-violent drug offenders are locked up? You know how much it costs to keep them people there? The people that hurt no one else, yet they have to be locked away. The US drug Czar gets a budget of about 18 billion and yet more and more drugs are coming into the country. The drug war is not doing anything except causing violence and costing taxpayers money. Portugal de-crimnilized drugs and the effects ten years later are positive not negative. Why don't you either learn the truth or move onto an anti-drug site. You can't even address what is said to you, you just keep spouting ignorant govt propaganda.


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That number can not be correct.

17,000 people die in the US every year from all illegal drugs combined. (source)  Opiate overdose is as likely to cause death as cocaine overdose.  If cocaine killed 15,000 people per year, that leaves only 2000 deaths for heroin, speed and all other illegal drugs combined.


Too bad that ChaCha post doesn't list the source of the information. 

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Ya heroin had more deaths what ever but still dude 15,000 people die from doing that shit how is that ok???




A wise professor once said that if you are asking the wrong question, the answer does not matter.  The correct question is not "Are cocaine deaths ok?"  The correct questions are "Is cocaine prohibition saving lives?  Is it cost effective, and a good use of law enforcement resources?  Is it just?" 

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The deaths in the USA are a small part of the problems that cocaine causes.  Half of South America is a war zone, and will continue to be a war zone until policies are changed.  US ghettos are war zones, for no good reason. 

How many adults is it ok to incarcerate to save people from themselves?  How does the fact that it is not actually possible to save people from themselves affect the answer to that question?

If cocaine prohibition was effective, I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it.  But due to the huge profit incentives, it is sold on nearly every street corner in some parts of town.  There is a big incentive to sell it to children, which wouldn't be there if it was legal.

Is it worth it to turn the world into a war zone, in order to save a few people from themselves?


If cocaine was legal and the purity was standardized, it would be much safer for users.  The stuff you get on the street could be 3% pure, or it could be 75% pure.    How are people supposed to know how big to make their lines?  Much of the cocaine on the street is cut with levamisole, which causes serious health problems.




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    #15793366 - 02/11/12 03:09 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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if we let people buy drugs like that over the counter which is what you are suggesting the united states would be a shit hole go to the hood you want America looking like that.....





Cocaine and heroin were sold over the counter in the US until 1914. 

It was not banned because it was turning the US into a ghetto.  It was banned because negroes were using it, and police feared that it would cause them to rape white women and shoot white men.

For more information on the history of cocaine and opium prohibition, see http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/ophs.htm and http://druglibrary.org/special/king/king1.htm.

The fact that cocaine turns parts of cities into ghettos is an unintended side effect of its legal status.



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Why don't you either learn the truth or move onto an anti-drug site.





I don't think we should be encouraging people who don't share our views on drugs to move to anti-drug sites.  I don't like wasting my time preaching to the choir.  When I discuss drug policy, I want to speak with people with opposing views, in the hopes that some of my words will make them reconsider some of their views.  In return I will carefully consider their points, research their statistics, and perhaps change my views.

If I can affect peoples perspectives on prohibition, my time here is well spent. 

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    #15793377 - 02/11/12 03:12 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

:laugh2:the people that hurt no one lol just because it is silent dose not mean its ok...and if any one is blinded buy the truth it is u sry bud i mean wake up get your head out of your ass...keep supporting that shit and i will sit here and laugh at you.....do you even pay taxes??? i do and dont mind...... keep on feeding your self bull shit like i said this post is now old I'm moving on as you should to....keep that powder going dude and ill keep paying my taxes to stop that shit... If you support any thing that kiils man kind well i dunno i just feel bad for u...i take it you sniff that shit:shocked:...so your input dose not mean much to me and as far as tobacco goes thats why you cant even talk about it on tv or magazines give it 15 years and cigs will be gone to...and good deal smoking is nasty...Chicago you cant Even smoke inside and have to b 15 feet away from the door when you smoke...sooo what we just going to give cocaine addicts a place to get high lol ya ok sounds like thats a good plan....you know that shit is made out of diesel fuel and bleach and god knows what else...


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    #15793386 - 02/11/12 03:14 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

yes i went to college i know the reasons behind the band still dose not make deaths over drugs ok


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    #15793447 - 02/11/12 03:25 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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If you support any thing that kiils man kind well i dunno i just feel bad for u.




How do you feel about automobiles or airplanes?

I support them.

How about unhealthy food?  That kills at least an order of magnitude more people than all illegal drugs combined.

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..i take it you sniff that shit:shocked:...so your input dose not mean much to me





I do not sniff cocaine, so you should consider my arguments with regards to the actual effects of drug prohibition.

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Even the most benign medications are made by combining several deadly toxins.  Most of which are far worse for a person than diesel fuel and bleach.

If you do not want cocaine to contain impurities that cause death, there is only one solution to that. 

If you are against things that kill man, please become aware of levamisole.  http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1955112,00.html


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    #15793464 - 02/11/12 03:31 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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:laugh2:the people that hurt no one lol just because it is silent dose not mean its ok...and if any one is blinded buy the truth it is u sry bud i mean wake up get your head out of your ass...keep supporting that shit and i will sit here and laugh at you.....do you even pay taxes??? i do and dont mind...... keep on feeding your self bull shit like i said this post is now old I'm moving on as you should to....keep that powder going dude and ill keep paying my taxes to stop that shit... If you support any thing that kiils man kind well i dunno i just feel bad for u...i take it you sniff that shit:shocked:...so your input dose not mean much to me and as far as tobacco goes thats why you cant even talk about it on tv or magazines give it 15 years and cigs will be gone to...and good deal smoking is nasty...Chicago you cant Even smoke inside and have to b 15 feet away from the door when you smoke...sooo what we just going to give cocaine addicts a place to get high lol ya ok sounds like thats a good plan....you know that shit is made out of diesel fuel and bleach and god knows what else...



I said I did it once in awhile, I also bust my ass almost everyday at work. You know how much of your tax dollars support the killing in Iraq and Afghanistan? But unlike Alan I don't see you understanding how things really work. You don't even take a second and stop and think about what we are posting, otherwise you would see what bullshit prohibition is.
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yes i went to college i know the reasons behind the band still dose not make deaths over drugs ok



You went to college but you can't spell for shit?

You know how many people die from car accidents, plane crashes, side-effects of legal drugs, alcohol, eating too much red meat, and so on? But yet you pick drugs to hate cause the government tells you to. Good job at being a mindless sheep, if prohibition is so good and the government has our best interests in mind how come marijuana and psilocybin are illegal? Do you know marijuana is schedule 1, the same class of drugs as meth? How does that make sense? Do you ever stop and think that all the money spent on locking people up could be spent on opening more rehab centers offering these non-violent "offenders" help?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: The Influence]
    #15793471 - 02/11/12 03:32 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Damn Alan I don't even have to post :awethumb: I swear everytime I am done typing my response you are saying the same things I am :bigjoint:


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: The Influence]
    #15793513 - 02/11/12 03:39 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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Damn Alan I don't even have to post :awethumb: I swear everytime I am done typing my response you are saying the same things I am :bigjoint:





Its always nice to have some backup.

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Do you know marijuana is schedule 1, the same class of drugs as meth?




Meth is in schedule 2, and can be prescribed by your doctor. 


Cocaine is also in schedule 2. 


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15793608 - 02/11/12 03:55 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

I didn't know that about meth, I pulled that from a documentary I watched where the ex-governer of New Mexico was saying it's bullshit how we lie to our own people. I could have mis-heard or he could have been off, but it's still a good documentary. If you have the time and already haven't seen it here is a link for it

http://www.hulu.com/watch/188226/american-drug-war


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: The Influence]
    #15793659 - 02/11/12 04:08 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

According to Basic Facts About the War on Drugs, cocaine kills about 2,200 people per year in the US.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15793693 - 02/11/12 04:16 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Thanks for that man, some good information in there. And about your earlier post you make a good point about trying to change peoples perspective on prohibition. When I first joined, I was against the legalization of drugs like meth, but had some good points laid out for me and it got me thinking, now I have a million reasons to end prohibition and can think of one or two reasons for prohibition. So keep fighting the good fight sir, some people will change their minds and others may not.


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    #15793948 - 02/11/12 05:10 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

$400,000... 97 people

$4,000 a person...


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    #15794012 - 02/11/12 05:23 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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$400,000... 97 people

$4,000 a person...



What?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: The Influence]
    #15794228 - 02/11/12 06:11 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

dude you guys are just fucking wack ok stright up go smoke your crack..:laugh:


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    #15794288 - 02/11/12 06:29 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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dude you guys are just fucking wack ok stright up go smoke your crack..:laugh:



Really dude you can't even spell or compose a complete sentence and your going to talk shit?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15794529 - 02/11/12 07:14 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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dude you guys are just fucking wack ok stright up go smoke your crack..:laugh:





Why are you encouraging crack use?  Are you anti-cocaine and pro-crack?  Or was that supposed to be some kind of insult?


For the record, I don't use either drug.


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Really dude you can't even spell or compose a complete sentence and your going to talk shit?






I have been trying to avoid mentioning his spelling or grammar since its an ad hominem attack.  But it is really pretty hard to ignore.

When discussing things online, it is always best to debate the ideas and not the source.  But 50% of his sentences are ad hominem and the rest exhibit flawed logic.


Perhaps if we talk to him for a few more days he will pick up some spelling and grammar tips, and he will have some time to seriously consider the real world effects of drug prohibition.


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15795095 - 02/11/12 08:54 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

lol besides my bad spelling :laugh2:  Whitney houston is prim for what will happen to all the little coke heads on this form want to die before 50 do coke... and dum dums crack is coke just a pure form of it.... ???:tongue:


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15795106 - 02/11/12 08:56 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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lol besides my bad spelling :laugh2:  Whitney houston is prim for what will happen to all the little coke heads on this form want to die before 50 do coke... and dum dums crack is coke just a pure form of it.... ???:tongue:



Do you have any idea how ignorant you look calling someone dumb when you can't spell it?


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: The Influence]
    #15795112 - 02/11/12 08:57 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

that is the point rum rum


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    #15795119 - 02/11/12 08:58 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

ooo sry for my slang on the computer lol


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15795123 - 02/11/12 08:59 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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ooo sry for my slang on the computer lol



You didn't spell the majority of the words right. Thats not slang, it's more like :tard:


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: The Influence]
    #15795128 - 02/11/12 09:01 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

:goat:  :dancer:


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    #15795133 - 02/11/12 09:02 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

ya see a coke head would make fun of some with downs


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    #15795148 - 02/11/12 09:03 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

where is the powder wow just saw that on your name lol we got a winner here.....


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15795160 - 02/11/12 09:05 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Keep talking shit man, you will get banned and we won't have to see your anti-drug bullshit on our pro-drug site.


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    #15795173 - 02/11/12 09:09 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

lol dude banned me like i give a flying fuck....  to be honest i would banned u... this place is about mushes not that nasty crack u like...banned me lol :dancer: not talking shit just the truth sry it hurts  hey i think your noise is bleeding watch out


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Re: 97 people charged in Colorado’s largest drug bust [Re: Jdiz]
    #15795218 - 02/11/12 09:18 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

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lol dude banned me like i give a flying fuck....  to be honest i would banned u... this place is about mushes not that nasty crack u like...banned me lol :dancer: not talking shit just the truth sry it hurts  hey i think your noise is bleeding watch out



:facepalm: In the context your using it it's ban not banned, my noise is bleeding? how does sound bleed? When did I ever mention smoking crack? Take a look around this site is about all kinds of drugs, you would know that if you knew how to read and comprehend what your reading. Oh and it's mushrooms or mushies not mushes.


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