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 Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT?
#15784173 - 02/09/12 01:49 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I'm getting a Vapor Genie type vaporizer, and was wondering. Looking at threads over two years old, it seems that opinions have changed; back then, vaporizing seemed a lot more risky than now, is the impression I gathered.
Correct?
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15784191 - 02/09/12 01:54 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I've never used anything other than a meth pipe (only smoked DMT out of it, nothing else) and have had great results. Sometimes with a torch lighter sometimes without, so far I like using a regular lighter unless I'm outside.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: jamminshaman]
#15784224 - 02/09/12 02:04 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Oh, I've done mostly with a meth pipe, but my technique, it seems, is awful; I don't think I've got the aptitude for it, because I'm pretty impatient, even if I've improved at it.
ANd when you say, torch lighter," what do you mean? A hand-held butane lighter found in smoke shops, as opposed to flint lighters? Just making sure.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15784332 - 02/09/12 02:32 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Just keep at it with the oil burner pipe. The first few times are difficult, but you get the technique down without even thinking about it. I used to have a lot of trouble with it, but now it's all down like clockwork. Even the tongue numbing and throat irritation are down to a minimum. 
As far as the lighter bit goes, I use a torch lighter all the time. A torch shoots the flame rather than just spewing it everywhere like a standard bic does. A huge advantage of this is that it's much easier to light something from above, because the flame will shoot downward. It looks like this:
I bought a Z-plus torch insert for my zippo lighter, and it works wonders for DMT especially, but also just for smoking weed. It's pretty dang helpful to be able to control the flame and concentrate the heat. It can help get all the bits of weed when they end up in tricky spots.  As for DMT, with an oil burner pipe, it's extremely useful because it concentrates the heat. You'd be surprised at how much faster it'll melt and start vaporizing.
I've become quite attached to this torch. Partly because of the design I etched on it, but this is besides the point. I just wanted to share it
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: VicariousGreg]
#15784396 - 02/09/12 02:45 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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You kind of have to cook it alittle, rotate it and play with the heat (how close you hold the flame to it) until you see it really start to give off smoke. Spin the pipe as it liquifies, I do that and usually manage to find a sweet spot to where it really starts smoking.
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I've become quite attached to this torch. Partly because of the design I etched on it, but this is besides the point. I just wanted to share it
Cool fucking torch man 
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: jamminshaman]
#15784411 - 02/09/12 02:48 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Cool fucking torch man
Thanks, man.  
I thought it came out pretty well. Etched it with one of those etching pens that has a tiny diamond on the tip of it.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: VicariousGreg]
#15784640 - 02/09/12 03:43 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Do you have the GVG or the CVG?
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: JimLahey]
#15784879 - 02/09/12 04:32 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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What's the diiference twixt the two? Oh, and getting spice in a meth pipe to boil, and making it vaporized are separate things, I've found.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15784933 - 02/09/12 04:47 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I've vaped DMT......it's incredible. Get a few screens and stack em on top of each other and rip it, but keep the heat extremely low.....Like, nothing above 130 or so.
Or you could throw it in on some AVB(Already vaped bud)
I went on a DMT binge for like 4 days using a Silver Surfer Vaporizer....First and only time I've done it.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15785273 - 02/09/12 06:03 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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What's the diiference twixt the two? Oh, and getting spice in a meth pipe to boil, and making it vaporized are separate things, I've found.
Glass Vapor Genie vs. Classic Vapor Genie... the CVG is wooden looking or colored, the GVG is glass obviously.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Jordan2Dope]
#15789017 - 02/10/12 03:01 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I've vaped DMT......it's incredible. Get a few screens and stack em on top of each other and rip it, but keep the heat extremely low.....Like, nothing above 130 or so.
Or you could throw it in on some AVB(Already vaped bud)
I went on a DMT binge for like 4 days using a Silver Surfer Vaporizer....First and only time I've done it.
"Get a few screens, and stack 'em"...? Sorry, but I don't know what a screen is. Aluminum foil, or something?
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15789593 - 02/10/12 05:07 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Noitartst said:
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Jordan2Dope said:
I've vaped DMT......it's incredible. Get a few screens and stack em on top of each other and rip it, but keep the heat extremely low.....Like, nothing above 130 or so.
Or you could throw it in on some AVB(Already vaped bud)
I went on a DMT binge for like 4 days using a Silver Surfer Vaporizer....First and only time I've done it.
"Get a few screens, and stack 'em"...? Sorry, but I don't know what a screen is. Aluminum foil, or something?
Pipe screens.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: VicariousGreg]
#15789963 - 02/10/12 06:53 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Meth pipe is super easy. Just be sure to hold the lighter at least an inch beneath the pipe and it will quickly turn to liquid and start smoking. Take a rip, hold, repeat. It's really simple and you don't need anything beyond a standard bic.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: BirdsIView]
#15790755 - 02/10/12 10:40 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Meth pipe is super easy. Just be sure to hold the lighter at least an inch beneath the pipe and it will quickly turn to liquid and start smoking. Take a rip, hold, repeat. It's really simple and you don't need anything beyond a standard bic.
Well you certainly don't need anything more than a standard bic lighter, but I'm a huge advocate of the torch lighter. It melts it much more quickly and consistently.
But yeah, I would recommend the oil burner (I opt not to call it a crack/meth pipe anymore). Quick and efficient, and you'll get the hang of the technique fairly quickly.
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Oh, and getting spice in a meth pipe to boil, and making it vaporized are separate things, I've found.
Could you elaborate on this?
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: VicariousGreg]
#15792936 - 02/11/12 01:17 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I don't know how much more quickly it could melt. It was nearly instantaneous in my experience, caught me by surprise really.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: BirdsIView]
#15793238 - 02/11/12 02:31 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I don't know how much more quickly it could melt. It was nearly instantaneous in my experience, caught me by surprise really.
Oh, it could be quicker. 
But really, the main advantage is having more control over the flame. Torches are much easier to direct.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: BirdsIView]
#15793565 - 02/11/12 03:47 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Meth pipe is super easy. Just be sure to hold the lighter at least an inch beneath the pipe and it will quickly turn to liquid and start smoking. Take a rip, hold, repeat. It's really simple and you don't need anything beyond a standard bic.
The problem with meth pipes, I've found, lies in the problem that quite often, when I've taken a hit, my throat and tongue burn so bad that, as the pschedelics take hold, I think, "You know, I do believe I'll experience things at whatever level this is. I'm in pain, it's hard light it right any ways, and don't think I could take a hit this harsh again right now."
Maybe I'm just describing a burnt-DMT hit, and I hope so, 'cuz for what I'm describing, it takes about an hour to recover.
Do "three good hits" each require copious amounts of pain by their very nature? Just askin', because I want to know. I've had a handful of strong, painless hits, but want to know just how much pain is par for the course with a meth pipe.
So, pipe screens; what are the they for, exactly,and how to use them? Are they to be buffers for the DMT as you light the pipe, yes...?
Bet the flame's not supposeed to touch the screen mesh, either....
Oh, and VicariousGreg, about starting to toke when you first hear it sizzle? I've done that more times than I'd care to count, and inhaled nothing, though I did seem to coat the pipe stem white with DMT that way, and considering that the DMT used was yellow, I think that's kind interesting, in an odd way in that I purified it in a useless manner, evidently.
Think I'm holding the flame too close to the glass? May be that's my problem, because I've been just trying to hold as close as possible without touching, and maybe I should lighten up. Thoughts?
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15793714 - 02/11/12 04:21 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Meth pipe is super easy. Just be sure to hold the lighter at least an inch beneath the pipe and it will quickly turn to liquid and start smoking. Take a rip, hold, repeat. It's really simple and you don't need anything beyond a standard bic.
The problem with meth pipes, I've found, lies in the problem that quite often, when I've taken a hit, my throat and tongue burn so bad that, as the pschedelics take hold, I think, "You know, I do believe I'll experience things at whatever level this is. I'm in pain, it's hard light it right any ways, and don't think I could take a hit this harsh again right now."
Maybe I'm just describing a burnt-DMT hit, and I hope so, 'cuz for what I'm describing, it takes about an hour to recover.
Do "three good hits" each require copious amounts of pain by their very nature? Just askin', because I want to know. I've had a handful of strong, painless hits, but want to know just how much pain is par for the course with a meth pipe.
So, pipe screens; what are the they for, exactly,and how to use them? Are they to be buffers for the DMT as you light the pipe, yes...?
Bet the flame's not supposeed to touch the screen mesh, either....
Oh, and VicariousGreg, about starting to toke when you first hear it sizzle? I've done that more times than I'd care to count, and inhaled nothing, though I did seem to coat the pipe stem white with DMT that way, and considering that the DMT used was yellow, I think that's kind interesting, in an odd way in that I purified it in a useless manner, evidently.
Think I'm holding the flame too close to the glass? May be that's my problem, because I've been just trying to hold as close as possible without touching, and maybe I should lighten up. Thoughts?
Pipe screens can't be used with oil burners. They're used with regular pipes.
Do you twist the pipe a little when you heat it up to evenly distribute it? That could be one way to make it less harsh. I find that the more you use an oil burner, the easier it gets. I think you just develop a technique of smoking it that doesn't irritate your mouth or throat as much. Don't get me wrong, I still get tongue numbness and some irritation, but it's significantly more manageable than it was when I first started smoking DMT.
I would say try to evenly heat the bottom of the glass, and take the hits nice and slow once it starts to fume. I don't usually hear anything; I just see the vapor start to come off, and if you start to take the hit when this happens, you'll find that the bulb instantly clouds with DMT vapor.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: VicariousGreg]
#15793781 - 02/11/12 04:36 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Oh, so a pipe screen essentially equals the ceramic mesh, say, of a Vapor Genie (I'm getting one) vaporizer? That it?
Oh, and I do twist my pipe around, but maybe because I got in bad habits smoking black tar, I've not developed proper technique. WIth tar, you've got to heat longer, I've found, that, and focus more heat on the bottom till it starts to slide around.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15793901 - 02/11/12 05:00 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Oh, so a pipe screen essentially equals the ceramic mesh, say, of a Vapor Genie (I'm getting one) vaporizer? That it?
Oh, and I do twist my pipe around, but maybe because I got in bad habits smoking black tar, I've not developed proper technique. WIth tar, you've got to heat longer, I've found, that, and focus more heat on the bottom till it starts to slide around.
It's just a screen that keeps anything larger than the holes from falling through .
It can be useful on some pipes, but like I said, you can't use one on an oil burner even if it somehow had a use. 
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: VicariousGreg]
#15794586 - 02/11/12 07:25 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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If you can afford it go for the GVG. It is the single best smoking instrument I have ever had the luck to use.
No need for sandwich with the (G)VG.
If you plan to work with crystals I advise using 1 screen with a ribbon-style scouring pad ~3mm thick on top of it. You can use copper or stainless steel. I personally use the SS stuff as it is easier to find here. Some people like to pre-melt the crystals to the mesh but I have never bothered.
There may well be oils and stuff on the pad when you first get it. I clean mine with solvent, leave to evap then follow up by holding it with pliers over a strong gas flame until red hot.
If you only want to use changa in it you could get by with just the screen.
With regards to heat source don’t scrimp, I did and I wish I had just bothered to get a good one in the first place. The best one for this purpose appears to be the Turboflame Arc. It may seem a bit expensive but it is very worth it.
ps. watch your dosing with the (G)VG, it is tremendously powerful, 10mg less than my standard pipe/bong dose of 50mg was a very, very extreme experience! At the moment I dose 20–35mg and find 30mg+ to be on the extreme end of journeys.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: dolob]
#15802845 - 02/13/12 12:00 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I think I'm buying a wooden VG, so you know; how different is a wooden one from glass?
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15805137 - 02/13/12 06:59 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I think I'm buying a wooden VG, so you know; how different is a wooden one from glass?
The glass one is supposedly better, but I have the wooden one and it works completely fine. The nice thing about a glass one though is that you can see it fill up with vapor, while with the wood one you may be sucking in air the whole time. Once you figure out how to heat the VG properly it is really the best tool for Hyperspace exploration, you will be surprised how much DMT can be saved.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: JimLahey]
#15808133 - 02/14/12 12:10 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I see, JimLahey; it makes sense.
Oh, and so screen is just something that's an additional buffer for the DMT, right, so it doesn't burn? I take it these are mostly makeshift copper or stainless steel messhes made from household cleaning supplies, yes?
Also, a Turboflame Arc Lighter, Itake it, is a handheld, just like your normal flint, yes?
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15808296 - 02/14/12 12:53 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I see, JimLahey; it makes sense.
Oh, and so screen is just something that's an additional buffer for the DMT, right, so it doesn't burn? I take it these are mostly makeshift copper or stainless steel messhes made from household cleaning supplies, yes?
Also, a Turboflame Arc Lighter, Itake it, is a handheld, just like your normal flint, yes?
You can buy pipe screens at any smoke shop for like ten cents each. When used for DMT, they help make sure the spice doesn't fall through when it melts.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: VicariousGreg]
#15809603 - 02/14/12 05:17 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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You can use a screen/brillo on top to help distribute the heat evenly and prevent the DMT from burning.
But I run w/o a top screen and heat the brillo up that the crystals sit on before I load the pipe. When I drop the crystals onto the brillo, they melt into it. I then hit the pipe.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: breeg89]
#15811621 - 02/14/12 11:53 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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i have like 5 screens under the DMT, I load caapi leaf as the base, then DMT, then Vape time
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15819412 - 02/16/12 02:46 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Turboflame Arc Lighter, Itake it, is a handheld, just like your normal flint, yes?
It is a handheld lighter, but a bit bigger than ones that you would carry around in your pocket to light cigarettes, it is also a piezo ignition lighter so no flint.
There are some good Arc knock offs that are available too, I have only heard one report of use but seemed to be quite good, as well as 1/2 the price at least.
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: dolob]
#15819776 - 02/16/12 04:27 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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I bought a butane lighter for eight-some dollars yesterday, tried to light my pipe with it, but it went out startling fast, before I ever managed to ight it. It had a nice, pointy-blue stiletto flame, but I bought only one, and didn't know there was no room for error, like with flint.
Is this turbofglame arc, or whatever, so good because it doesn't burn out so fast? If so, maybe I should buy a full-scale butane can torch, I guess...?
Oh, and you place the the screens under the DMT? Why? I found some Scotch Brite steel scouring pads in Walmart yesterday; would they serve as screens? Anyone know the brand?
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: Noitartst]
#15831578 - 02/19/12 09:29 AM (3 months, 8 days ago) |
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I think the Arc Turboflame is an excellent bit of kit, I am just gutted that I wasted money on other lighters first. It may look expensive but I think it’s worth it, if the expense bothers you I hear the knock-off copies are quite good too (they even weigh exactly the same too).
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Re: Do You Use the Sandwich Method for Vaporizing DMT? [Re: dolob]
#15843697 - 02/21/12 04:37 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Alright, I'm listening; what makes it the best, though? I've had trouble refilling a lighter I bought for around eight dollars, and was wondering if that's the what makes the Turboflame tops, or what.
How do you refill a butane lighter, anywho? I've been pressing down, but it doesn't seem to be working.
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