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 Kickle
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 profound insights can be really dumb
#15783335 - 02/09/12 10:29 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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This has caught me more than once and I am sick of it. A profound insight will float to the surface and like Madonna being presented with a shiny jewel I gawk at it and want it for myself. Enough! How foolish!
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 Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle]  2
#15783460 - 02/09/12 11:01 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Judging an insight based on how "smart" it is doesn't necessarily need to affect its profundity or significance. When you're desensitised to reality and everything seems bland, empty, meaningless, the act of just being able to appreciate simple things such as eating food can seem incredibly profound.
Hell when I used to toke up I'd spend a good long while looking at the beauty & perfection of random objects and thinking "daaamn". To someone more embroiled in "worldly" matters such things would seem futile but I'd have exactly the same kind of perspective on their pursuits. It's all empty either way.
Do you really need to crack upon the cure for cancer or the theory of everything for your insight to be justified? Just existing is profound in itself. Hell if you've ever experienced some good ol' mania, it becomes really apparent that your actual state of "usefulness to society" or "intelligence" and how happy you are are mutually exclusive and their correlation doesn't actually mean they cause each other. So I guess, would you rather be a happy hobo or a gloomy success?
What I'm saying is, gawk away. Appreciation and gratitude are their own rewards. After all, the whole reason one wishes to do anything is to in the end, be appreciative and grateful.
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Kickle
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: crkhd]
#15783496 - 02/09/12 11:10 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Appreciation and gawking are very different to me. At least in practice. One can gawk at a lady, appreciating her sex appeal. This to me is becoming trapped. One can also appreciate form, of which a beautiful lady is one amongst seemingly infinite. This to me is a good form of appreciation and a sign of freedom.
I appreciate insight but I do not appreciate gawking. IMO gawking misses the real beauty that is there by fixating on delusion. I spend much of the day flaberghasted at what is around me. A state akin to disbelief.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle] 1
#15783813 - 02/09/12 12:29 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah, paradoxically the true way of appreciation/respect is to not be so astonished & awestruck by what you see, whatever insight or profound thought, deep realization, it's still seen, no matter how blissful, cosmic etc.... some presence is still seeing it. That presence is here now before any insight can even arise
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: The Chronic]
#15783847 - 02/09/12 12:37 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Haha, I've noticed that. They can even sound dumber, because interpretation/articulation and all.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: teknix]
#15784583 - 02/09/12 03:30 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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It seems the OP wasn't very clear.
Profound insights are profound (neither stupid nor smart)
But in viewing this jewel with lust and desire, it becomes dulled (dumb)
In trying to take the insight for myself, its value decreases drastically.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle]
#15785033 - 02/09/12 05:11 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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The dumbest and profoundest sounding insights could lead to the greatest of realizations.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: teknix]
#15785691 - 02/09/12 07:36 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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sure. no limits.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle]
#15785973 - 02/09/12 08:49 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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they're easy to get carried away with, especially when true
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: oojijimoo]
#15786020 - 02/09/12 08:59 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Haha
Oh shit
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle] 2
#15786227 - 02/09/12 09:58 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
Kickle said:
This has caught me more than once and I am sick of it. A profound insight will float to the surface and like Madonna being presented with a shiny jewel I gawk at it and want it for myself. Enough! How foolish!
What a profound insight you got there.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: oojijimoo]
#15786600 - 02/09/12 11:42 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
oojijimoo said:
they're easy to get carried away with, especially when true
there is no truth in getting carried away though and so it makes no sense to get carried away if one is after the truth 
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle]
#15786741 - 02/10/12 12:19 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I enjoy profound insights, because it lets me see things from a different perspective then before, and that give me a better view of the world from my perspective allowing me to maybe make other insights.
It keeps life interesting.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: dkmonk]
#15786750 - 02/10/12 12:23 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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They make me laugh, a lot.
"You dummy!"
Or
"Ah HAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!"
or in rough times and when you may forget a previous insight
"Fucking dumbass..forgot that lesson again eh?"
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: mrspirit2]
#15786877 - 02/10/12 01:14 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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It's like we've seen all parts of bigger picture, but our field of view is too small to look at everything at once. So when you look at one part, you forget the other.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: cbub]
#15786916 - 02/10/12 01:26 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Most of these insights make me realize how everything on Earth is so similar to even what appears to be something that it far different. I can see an aspect of one organism that has a commonality with another that seem so distinctly different.
It has made me appreciate things more, and realize they are very similar to me, so I should respect them and pay attention.
Like my mushrooms tend to grow significantly more when I am tripping around them like they know I am enjoying them.
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: dkmonk]
#15787116 - 02/10/12 02:46 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I see the parts but not the whole
Study saints and scholars both
But no perfect plan unfurls
Do i trust my heart or just my mind
Why is truth so hard to find in this world
Ya in this world
Cause i am due for a miracle
Im waiting for a sign
Stare straight into the sun
And i wont close my eyes
Untill i understand or go blind
-Thrice
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle]
#15787994 - 02/10/12 09:27 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
Kickle said:
Quote:
oojijimoo said:
they're easy to get carried away with, especially when true
there is no truth in getting carried away though and so it makes no sense to get carried away if one is after the truth
well, going "out," experiencing the divine manifestation, is technically an illusion but i find truth in it, light through darkness. Even very simple truths like that of your own breath, or some simple profound thought, can create enough space so that you can truly get lost in this universe.
all good though cause once you find your way it's even doper
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: oojijimoo]
#15788105 - 02/10/12 09:54 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Yah no limits on where wisdom can come from or the strength possessed. this thread was all about taking something beautiful and tarnishing it with delusion. the delusion of ownership in part and the delusion of grasping at or getting carried away with a feeling. It seems like you are one of a few who can see that
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle] 1
#15788170 - 02/10/12 10:11 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: oojijimoo]
#15788186 - 02/10/12 10:14 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle]
#15788189 - 02/10/12 10:15 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: Kickle]
#15790257 - 02/10/12 08:07 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
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Yah no limits on where wisdom can come from or the strength possessed. this thread was all about taking something beautiful and tarnishing it with delusion. the delusion of ownership in part and the delusion of grasping at or getting carried away with a feeling. It seems like you are one of a few who can see that
It's probably because your emphasis is on insight rather than realization.
Insight alone is worthless if it doesn't bring realization.
Who cares how it is said, that's all besides the point. There is nothing tarnished about the saying "profound insights can be really dumb " from an altering perspective.
That is the disillusionment. Your intention is besides the point, because it is only for your contentment.
For example: The profoundest realizations can come from looking at something from another angle to help provide insight to another person. Even if that insight was long known and simple, it is still useful. Therefore insight into the altering perspective would have brought a realization, the realization being altering perspectives.
Edited by teknix (02/10/12 08:14 PM)
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Re: profound insights can be really dumb [Re: teknix]
#15790328 - 02/10/12 08:27 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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take from it what you see and put back the same. that's all any of us can do.
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