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 White Beard
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#15783239 - 02/09/12 10:04 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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I think I'm done with them. I feel way more energetic, happy, clear headed and alive without them. They were fun in the past, but time to move on. 
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c0sm0nautt
 
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They seem to lose their appeal eventually...
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Oh man you feel that way just cause you haven't tried this new stuff yet, this new stuff will rock your world, it will make you feel better than ever!, while it lasts. This is what you've been looking for! Happiness in a pill they call it, it will take you on an adventure of a lifetime. All you have to do is mentally sign over your self-control for a while and then you will witness all your dreams come true. Side effects may include but are not limited to: mental confusion, emotional frenzy, power outages, and many more..
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White Beard said:
I think I'm done with them. I feel way more energetic, happy, clear headed and alive without them. They were fun in the past, but time to move on.
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crkhd
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Re: Drugs [Re: WakeUp] 2
#15783550 - 02/09/12 11:20 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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IMO there's no need to maintain this divide between "drugs" and "sobriety". At least from the context of pure freedom in life as opposed to the ideals of social living which dictate there is a division between work and play, food and drugs, us and them.
No matter what you're doing, you're going to be ingesting things that change your mental state. All the foods you eat are subtly psychoactive in their own ways and while they won't make you trip out, they affect your life just as much as drugs can (e.g. try doing mathematics on a sugar rush/crash). "Drugs" are just another name for "foods we wouldn't normally eat due to how extra high they get us".
I do agree that they lose their appeal over time though. And the returns diminish too. Yet at the end of the day "drugs" generally are just a group of plants, their extracts and synthetic analogues of those extracts. To abstain totally is like saying "I'm only going to use my right leg from now on" aside from that you tend to actually need both legs. I see them less as discrete individual drugs and more so as a continuum/spectrum of sensations you can access, just as foods vary in taste and colour. Of course plants tend to contain cocktails of alkaloids and synergisers and I'm going more by that than synthetics.
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White Beard
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Re: Drugs [Re: crkhd]
#15783671 - 02/09/12 11:53 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah, sure. I'm saying more of I'm tired of the ones that get me high. For no other reason then the novelty of being messed up has warn off and it feels better to not be high these days. Pleasure always wins out over pain. I'll probably do some more someday down the road. Probably shrooms, but stuff like weed isn't entertaining anymore.
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 The Chronic
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Re: Drugs [Re: crkhd] 1
#15783744 - 02/09/12 12:15 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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crkhd said:
IMO there's no need to maintain this divide between "drugs" and "sobriety". At least from the context of pure freedom in life as opposed to the ideals of social living which dictate there is a division between work and play, food and drugs, us and them.
No matter what you're doing, you're going to be ingesting things that change your mental state. All the foods you eat are subtly psychoactive in their own ways and while they won't make you trip out, they affect your life just as much as drugs can (e.g. try doing mathematics on a sugar rush/crash). "Drugs" are just another name for "foods we wouldn't normally eat due to how extra high they get us".
I do agree that they lose their appeal over time though. And the returns diminish too. Yet at the end of the day "drugs" generally are just a group of plants, their extracts and synthetic analogues of those extracts. To abstain totally is like saying "I'm only going to use my right leg from now on" aside from that you tend to actually need both legs. I see them less as discrete individual drugs and more so as a continuum/spectrum of sensations you can access, just as foods vary in taste and colour. Of course plants tend to contain cocktails of alkaloids and synergisers and I'm going more by that than synthetics.
Nice post
As far as growing out of using entheogens, or feeling you reach a point you no longer need them, i feel that entheogens are actually more useful to serious meditators rather than just being mere 'eye openers' that are only useful early on on the path, if anyone can make proper use of an entheogen it's someone who is fully devoted to the divine & then takes the sacrament in such a manner, not someone who is just trying to trip balls & by chance catches a glimpse of the divine.
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I'm dropping 'em too, pun intended. Nevertheless, unstoned I seem to have to read twice a sentence like "'Wasn't I right?' is a plea for reassurance that one is sustaining the social plot with proper mastery." The follow up, that "To fail to learn this simple fact is to remain a center of error in a constantly correct world. It is a terrifying thought." is where upon my commitment to weed is strenghtened, though. I'm gonna sell the papers I have and buy a Black Dahlia Murder hoodie! I like my weed with space.
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cbub
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I think I'm done with them.
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Re: Drugs [Re: cbub]
#15786459 - 02/09/12 10:58 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I like weed, but I like it best when its only once in a while, stuff like shrooms kinda takes care of itself in that regard. Sometimes I will get into a pattern of daily cannabis use for a couple weeks at a time which leads to a feeling of missing something during the sober parts of the day, and even then the cannabis has lost most of its magic. So for me its a balance, but I definately feel better as a mostly sober person.
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Re: Drugs [Re: crkhd]
#15786585 - 02/09/12 11:38 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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very true crkhd
I do not get high as often as I used to these days either.
I will always have cannabis in my medicines. Great for my asthma, sleep, and various other issues.
Everything has a time and a place.
EVEN CRAZY DEVIOUS DEVIL WORSHIPING HIPPIE ORGIES. You just won't find me there..
K I'm goin far but ya.
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dkmonk
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I respect your choice, and admire it.
They are just something that doesn't allow you to be more free when you have an urge to want to do them, even when it isn't addictive and you don't abuse it. Like me wanting to experience DMT, and I haven't tried it, but think about what it is like.
I think they have their purpose, but if by becoming more mature you realize that you have experienced it all and there is no benefit for you to experience something you know already, and time can be focused on something new and not an idea you have spent so much time on already.
I am not saying immaturity means drug use or drug use makes you immature. I just feel when you grow older and mature it will seem like less of a thing that is important or you want to take part in, and will want to experience newer ideas.
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Re: Drugs [Re: dkmonk]
#15788756 - 02/10/12 02:06 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Drugs are becoming less and less appealing to me every day. The only mind altering substance that I wish to pursue is Ayahuasca. However, I consider that to be more of a spiritual sacrament than a drug and I've found that its something that can be sustainably integrated into one's life. I haven't done this yet, but I hope to when I get out of college for good this summer.
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White Beard
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Yeah, drugs use to feel like the most liberating thing ever. Now it just feels like I take them and my mind gets muddled. It really feels like I'm just poisoning my mind. Never tried Ayahuasca myself. Perhaps one day.
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Most of the drugs I do feel "muddy". Shrooms are the one exemption for me and the only drug I still use. It has become very infrequent, once every year or so, but I still seem to gain from the experience. Last time my head hit the floor in reverence and it felt like a magnet pulling out all of my sorrow. Straight to the center of the earth. Gushing tears, strong magnetism. Really pretty wild. I distinctly remember wondering how such things are possible. It's not as though I have a magnet in my head after all 
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White Beard
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Re: Drugs [Re: Kickle]
#15791845 - 02/11/12 08:13 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Wow, cool stuff. I remember the first time I did shrooms I was surprised how clear headed I felt and how well I could think. Shroomz are pretty awesome.
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oojijimoo
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The Chronic said:
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crkhd said:
IMO there's no need to maintain this divide between "drugs" and "sobriety". At least from the context of pure freedom in life as opposed to the ideals of social living which dictate there is a division between work and play, food and drugs, us and them.
No matter what you're doing, you're going to be ingesting things that change your mental state. All the foods you eat are subtly psychoactive in their own ways and while they won't make you trip out, they affect your life just as much as drugs can (e.g. try doing mathematics on a sugar rush/crash). "Drugs" are just another name for "foods we wouldn't normally eat due to how extra high they get us".
I do agree that they lose their appeal over time though. And the returns diminish too. Yet at the end of the day "drugs" generally are just a group of plants, their extracts and synthetic analogues of those extracts. To abstain totally is like saying "I'm only going to use my right leg from now on" aside from that you tend to actually need both legs. I see them less as discrete individual drugs and more so as a continuum/spectrum of sensations you can access, just as foods vary in taste and colour. Of course plants tend to contain cocktails of alkaloids and synergisers and I'm going more by that than synthetics.
Nice post
As far as growing out of using entheogens, or feeling you reach a point you no longer need them, i feel that entheogens are actually more useful to serious meditators rather than just being mere 'eye openers' that are only useful early on on the path, if anyone can make proper use of an entheogen it's someone who is fully devoted to the divine & then takes the sacrament in such a manner, not someone who is just trying to trip balls & by chance catches a glimpse of the divine.
indeed, i've been benefiting much more just from cannabis lately, I think it's because I took a few longer tolerance breaks, came back to it fresh and now it seems to teach me things again. can't wait for my next shrooms trip, I wanna eat like 3.5gs or more.
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cbub
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No point in casting spells with an empty mana bar, is there?
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