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Hey guys, just was wonderig about this stuff. I see tryptophan used to be used and converted into 5htp then seratonin>melatonin. I was wondering if tryptophan converts into anything else that I could be missing out on by taking 5htp instead?
I was taking lorazepam every night to help with sleep but it puts me in a funk and I already have a underactive thyroid condition and am on hormone replacement for that which makes me a perfect candidate prone to depression, anxiety, insomnia, headaches, muscle tension etc (the works). So its real important I take good care of myself now which I do. I've managed to stay in decent shape throughout the whole process of getting diagnosed and expiremented on with random psych meds.
Anyways this stuff seems pretty decent from what I've read. I tried 100 mg's tonight and only slept an hour so I popped another cause it says 100-300 mg's is ok for insomnia. I notice it says this stuff is supposed to act more directly and more naturally then psych meds like ssri's or anxiety medications but could it maybe take a few days of taking it to help me out more.
Schools killing me and I gotta get this under control. Lorazepam is definately not the best choice either. I had a work up very recently and all my labs came back good.
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it's interesting that you're in school and have hypothyroidism, am i right in assuming you're young? a anyway 5-htp may or may not work for you depending whether or not you actually have a serotonin issue. i was on 5-htp for 2-3 months but i'm off it now completely. tryptophan is an essential amino acid and according to the video in the thread called "suffering from depression? how to raise serotonin levels naturally..." is a less commonly found amino acid. in the thread you'll find a link under the video that contains a list of foods and their tryptophan content. eat the foods and take the following minerals, B's, C and minerals in capsule form, especially magnesium, zinc, C and B6, plenty of B6, as a matter of fact the MD in the video recommends taking at least 100mg of B6 on top of a high quality, high potency vitamin, mineral capsule first, tablet as a second choice to aid in complete absorption... the real goal in using 5-htp is to get the body into converting tryptophan again which i'm doing now that i use a methylated form of B6 since i have a problem using standardized B6. you may not have that problem as it's considered rare, like in 1-2% of the population... you could also use trytophan supplements/capsules along with the required cofactors as well as eat foods that contain the highest amounts of trytophan, again, trytophan is essential, your body doesn't make it... short of an essential building block for repair and serotonin production, it is also used to produce Niacin in the body i believe...
i was instructed to take 5-htp but one thing i did on my own was to add 5-htp to a warmed up a glass of water to a temperature you can tolerate and add the capsule contents to the water and mix. most of mine dissolved completely but they sometimes add fillers that remain suspended... it has a pretty much bland taste so it shouldn't bug you... try not to rely on 5-htp too long, the goal is to get your body to produce it itself by converting tryptophan.
i hope this helps you...
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Young enuff, 26. Why is that strange I'm in school and have hypoyhyroidism?
I understand the goal of getting my body to do these things on its own its just I'm definately in a funk and ur right about the imprtance of b6 it just sux taking so many pills. Maybe I have low sugar levels as well noe. I'll check when I get home. Im currently at the dermatologist tho.
It's just I can't sleep. I feel aggravated, irritated, agitated lol depressed. Just crappy all aound, very unmotivated.
About 8-9 months ago I was givin prozac and buspar and it help but it had way too many side effects so I stopped but it got me out of my funk also.
Currently I'm having my physician look into the cause of my hypothyroidism. My endocrinologist had suggested the likely hood of an autoimmune disease.
Idk if my sugars low to or what, I was doing a juice fast a couple weeks ago and now since I came off that I just feek even worse theb I did before. I've had trouble sleeping for awhile and the mood disorders slowly change from good to bad like sloping downward over time but after that juice fast I feel like shit.
I don't wanna keep shoveling sugar into my body so I figure I should go back onto a high fiber lean protein diet since that's wat was working for me before hand.
But yea Im not too old yet. I was in extremely good shape before this thyroid condition started. If it is an autoimmune disease causing this which ill find out about in the next few months i have a feeling it was caused by one of my experimentations with drugs since it all starterd right after a very vey bad trip where my throat even popped hardcore like it was being crushed and my body temperature was so high I was sweatting perfusely with extreme pain in the frontal top part of ky head. The experience happened over a year and a half ago and it is known certain drugs, viruses, cancers and radiation can trigger this type of disease.
I do have more symptoms then ur average hypothyroid patient either way just tryin to feel better and get the mood elevated and possibly get some proper sleep because ativan is definatrly not the way to go.
I have tried armour besides levothyroxine as far as thyroid replacement goes and it did help somewhat but then kinda pushed me over to the hyper side and made my throat hurt pretty bad.
But i do have it to take once in awhile if I feek my levels go low since it has the active hormone t3 in it versus synthroids t4 only med
Well I just got home and she was nice enuff to even refer me to have another endocrinologist give me a second opinion because I'm still not feeling great and its been awhile. Here suggestions not mine.
Long fuckn day and this was my day off, maybe I can get some sleep for a change.
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well i only pointed out the school thingies and hypothyroid assuming you were too young to have hypothyroidism and i was correct because 26 is very young to develop that disorder, hopefully your MD knows the ropes. as far as pills go, i'm anti pill anything after discovering that when you give the body what it needs under the right circumstances it can pretty much recover from anything assuming the condition isn't in the final stages. and as far as taking vitamins or viewing them as pills, i've learned to look at then as extensions of the food i eat because ven the best foods can be nutritionally void and the RDA's are ridiculously low in my opinion based on the original definition which was the minimum amount needed to sustain life which was established in the 1930's. sure, they've slightly amended some and added new ones to the list but they have actually decreased a few of the original guidelines and it's still the minimum amount requirement. these levels were established in healthy individuals first off and because of genetic expression one could be unable to use cofactors properly early in life or develop issues later on in life... what do you mean sugar levels? are you diabetic or hypoglycemic as well?
i feel for you regarding the moods and motivation issues but you are better off prozac and buspar this is for sure... something else is going on and i'll venture to say it is in your diet and it sounds like you have yourself a good endocrinologist because autoimmune issues are at the root cause of most hypothyroid issues. an autoimmune problem can easily be directly tied to food allergies or things in our environment. a standard IgE allergy test is an old 1930's type standard that tests for immediate allergic reactions where progressive integrative MD's are now looking for delayed or hyper reactions to foods or environmental issues which an in the know allergist will be fully aware of. both of these require separate testing as they apply to different segments of our autoimmune responses. you'll be shocked at how many people experience these types of reactions and there is a very good chance with your hypothyroidism you have some of these issues. i'm not telling you to follow my advice but i am saying knowing what i know now, I'd do it, since you're seeing so many different MD's any way...
sugar is bad period, it's highly inflammatory and one of the things we all should be avoiding. if sugar were discovered today, processed sugar that is and properly tested there would be guidelines on it's use due to its metabolic effect in many. same goes with dairy, wheat/gluton...
a great diet for you to consider is this diet: Therapeutic Diet for Insulin Resistance any diet that can completely reverse a metabolic disorder like type 2 diabetes has to be anti inflammatory in order to correct insulin signally issues... anti inflammatory is autoimmune enhancing or better put balancing. if you do have an autoimmune problem it is your immune system is in over drive so to speak and attacking your thyroid. you may have had hyperthyroid issues early in life but remained totally unaware of it... of course if you decide to follow this diet make sure it doesn't conflict with the diet your MD surely had to put you on for your thyroid issues. talk to him/her and get their seal of approval. if they say a diet isn't required I'd seriously reconsider them as good MD's at that point but i seriously doubt this will be an issue in your case...
as far as an active mushroom trip being at the root cause of all of this i have to respectfully disagree, i'm not saying it's not possible it's just that i feel it is highly unlikely... you have other things going on and hopefully you'll hook up with in the know MD's in order to get to the bottom of this...
benzo's suck although ativan was the least problematic for me... benzo's suck in general though and there is someone struggling with a benzo addiction right now in one of the active threads that Seuss is addressing. i'll look up all of the meds you're on later and get a feel for what you're doing, but a different approach was used in my case and i'll know if there were improvements come Monday as i was retested earlier this week... all i can say is that in a roughly 3+ month period i've come to feel kick ass again. out of curiosity, did they perform a reverse T3 test on you? if reverse T3 turns out to be high it's a strong indicator that it's autoimmune and diet related as reverse T3 interrupts T3 action by occupying the T3 receptor. rT3 is an inactive form of T3 and can cause real havoc as it did in my case. your thyroid produces about a teaspoonful, or is it tablespoonful, i forgot, but in any event it produces this small of an amount each YEAR! and you already know how important the thyroid hormone T4 and it's released and converted counterpart T3 is... yeah, I'd be curious if a reverse T3 test was done... if your body isn't producing/converting T4 into required amounts of T3 this could suggest you may have a condition known as wilsons diease... MAY i'm saying, this is not certain, but the fact they have you on T4 and T3 suggests you are not converting T4 to T3, which is primarily done by the liver among other areas in the body but the liver is the main driver of T3 production... merely using an extremely high quality milk thistle could really benefit you as milk thistle is probably the best liver detoxifier known, as a matter of fact PubMed has multiple dozens of abstracts and complete studies on its effectiveness at treating an alcoholics liver and it's being dynamically tested and found very effective at treating several forms of liver cancer. if i were being forced into using only one herb, I'd select milk thistle hands down, no shit... i stress high quality because there are huge differences in the amount of the primary active found in them. talk to your MD about milk thistle... the liver is such a critical organ man and if it's working optimally it is a real ally...
well sorry for the wall of text but i felt it was important to address each point you made in order that you posted them... people tend to get pissed at me for my so called "rants"  ... fuck them, don't read my shit then, put me on ignore because i'm here to help others while i'm still able to be here because there may come a day when all this bullshit of cutting me down reaches the point i say fuck it and move on in my life or i just naturally just move on, although i really love this culture and this website in general because for every asswipe there are dozens of cool people... i'm just trying to be helpful is all...
PeaCe2U man...
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No its ok man I appreciate it, ill check out the diet in a bit. There's still quite a bit I don't understand about autoimmune disease since its new territory to me but I understand the very basis of it and how it doesn't recognize the difference between healthy tissue and organs from viruses and what not. I've only slept 1 hour in the past 40 so you may need to excuse me if I don't make the best sense.
The good thing is I had my 3 month glucose level checked, nbA1nc or whatever and it came back normal, also recently had my CBC which actually came back good WBC count was 8000 and everything looked normal between my lymphocytes and what not. Thyroid labs were good as well and they did a comprehensive metabolic panel on me which also came back normal. They tested some proteins to I may not have the names correct but troponin t and some other mono somehing but evrything was normal.
I have had my sed rate checked and a hepatitis panel as well which all good. See rate was 3 plus I had a lipid panel, slightly high triglycerides but the hdl ldl ratio was within range 2.5. I am deficient
in vitamin d and take 4000 iu daily and am.now bumping it up to 6000 because I'm barely in range 31.
I just saw my dermatologist yesterday and she was concerned enuff that she urged me to get a second opinion from another endocrinologist and wrote me a referal, surprisingly I'm able to get in by Monday which is really fast for that.
But hey my body is converting t4 into t3 I just wanted to try armour because I know it has t1, 2 and 3 and some people do better on it. I thought maybe that would help since t3 is the most abundant receptor in the brains tissue. But the thyroid labs look good on paper. I'll copy the most recent I had done and post it up. I don't believe or know of me having a reverse t3 test done yet tho which is something ill sugest, I see the endo Monday and my physician friday.
But I did look up.something that very well could be whats triggering my depression, a couple weeks ago I had 2 wisdom teeth pulled and after was put on doxycycline an antibiotic which is just for oral surgery so I understand. But I decided to google and see if its cause depression I'm anyone else and sure as shit it has. It's not a listed side effect but for some people it almost drove them over the edge most likely because they already had depression or had some sort of underlying condition but yea crazy shit. I'll be off of it monday so I'm kinda waiting til then to feel better even tho it still takes a few more days to get that stuff out of my system .
I'm not saying antibiotics r bad, they're good when necessary which this was necessary but I believe I am having this depression trigered by the doxycycline. It's the only thing I changed but on another note I did have a lot and I mean a lot of inflamation in my mouth which could be caused by an autoimmuse disease if one is present but the doxycycline seems to have that under control.
I'll get the thyroid labs up in a moment.
Component Your Value Standard Range Units
Free T4 1.4 0.7 - 1.8 ng/dL.
Component Your Value. Standard Range Units
Free T3 4.3 1.8 - 4.6 pg/mL
Component Your Value Standard Range Units
TSH 2.370 0.400 - 5.500 uU/mL
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i'm confused to be honest... how did they determinme you have hypothyroidism with normal thyroid results? i had the same thing occurred in regards to normal readings and they never suggested i had a thyroid issue, although i was always on the low end of the acceptable scale... it was only until i found a wise MD who tested me for rT3 and discovered my rT3 reading were extremely high. rT3 competes with T3 for space on the T3 receptor. rT3 is completely bio ineffective and T3 receptors are everywhere in the body, not just the brain. i'm far from a thyroid expert, i want you to know this up front but i've done my homework and listened to my MD and i feel having a rT3 test is at least worth mentioning to this new MD you're seeing, if they say no, then it's a no...
i would definitely use the probiotic after you're done with the antibiotic regimen and always use it after using any antibiotic... this is such a major issue, it's really stunning that allopathic MD's do not suggest this yet prescribe antibiotics for everything including suspected viral infections!!!! what does a drug designed to kill bacteria have anything to do with a viral condition? i mean really now and this is very common man...
anyway, i wish you good luck with this new endocrinologist, hopefully they have real insight... i'm kind of hopeful to be honest that one MD you saw, saw it fit to suggest you get a second opinion... they're are good MD's out there, this just goes to show you...
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Those r on the meds lol but before that I scored a TSH of 5.5 and then 8, I think I still have them, ill post them when I get a chance.
The thing is my labs r good and I still feel like shit.
I'll use the probiotic after or at least find one since I'm done with it Monday.
I'll post some more of my labs when I get a chance
I think one thing that would really do me a lot of good is if I could sleep, I've probably slept 8 or maybe 12 hours all together in the last week.
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no need to post old readings, i believe U! and I'd use that particular probiotic only because my MD recommended using it and he knows his shit, excuse the language... but you do what you want to... and as far as normal T3 and T4 readings go, like i've already said, i had normal readings too, for eight years! but my rT3 readings were lopsided out of balance with my T3 and no one tested me for it because it's completely unrecognized as a real issue in allopathic medicine. this is perverse and beyond bizarre... and as far as far as an autoimmune condition existing with normal blood work results go it is quite possible to still be an issue as there are many different segments of our immune system that standard tests fail to reveal... there is a test called c reactive protein test that is commonly used for those with heart disease and lupus or other autoimmune disorders to determine just how bad inflammation is at any given moment in time. it's not a commonly prescribed test but from what i understand there isn't a better test out there for detecting high levels of inflammation... again, just tossing something out there...
by the way... it's interesting that you are addressing T1 and T2 on your own as very little research is really known about either but i responded well to T1 and T2 glandulars... Kudo's to you Dr Andersen! 
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Thanks, so I tried something different the other day which I don't think is very dangerous at all after doing some light reading. Since my thyroid is under active my parathyroid is under active as well. Vitamin D is a secosteroid and acts as a prohormone which is regulated by parathyroid hormone (pth), something this simple can cause big problems and I realized that originally my vitamin D levels were inadequate and I knew why (pth).
I've been taking 4,000 iu of Vitamin D3 and am thinking for me that still may be inadequate since my blood serum levels for Vitamin D 25 were originally 21 ng/ml and then again 25 ng/ml. I've been taking this a long time and have even been taking pharmaceutical grade D3 which should take any doubt of inconsistencies out of the question but yet I still scored a 32ng/ml when making sure I took it every day for months even tho 32 is finally in range since being in range is 31-80 ng/ml.
So yesterday I doubled my Vitamin D3 from 4,000 iu to 8,000 iu and it actually had a noticeable difference, depression left and actually gave me a little bit of jolt of energy. I still can't be quite sure if this is why because I couple days ago I started taking 5htp and took it for 2 days but yesterday I didn't for the sake of this little expiriment but I will have to give it more time.
Since my D25 levels only moved 10 ng/ml from 4,000 iu of D3 8,000 should be fine. I contemplated only uping it to 6,000 but most normal people could tolerate 10,000 iu without any potentially dangerous effects of toxicity. Someone who would have to worry more about this would be someone with hyperparathyroidism the exact opposite condition I have or someone taking over 10,000 iu but me being deficient because of my parathyroid being under active caused by my under active thyroid 8,000 to even 10,000 iu might be adequate.
I'll try it all week and get blood serum levels taken on friday, Idk if its long enuff to level out but I should be able to see if there's been an increase. I'll discontinue 5htp for now to see if raising Vitamin D is what the cause of these effects are.
I can feel changes in my bones like a solidness compared to this light feeling I had my hands before, also less muscle tension.
The real risk I believe of taking to much d3 would be calcemia that would damage the kidneys but I don't believe I have to worry about that lol.
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So it looks like it may be more complicated then that, I'm definately suspecting an autoimmune disease tho. I raised my vitamin D again today and it had me freaking out kinda, sweating, felt lots of tension in my joints and bones and now just feel very very run down. I'm guessing it probably did something to my thyroid and that's most likely the cause of the autoimmume disease.
I'm stumped! How do I cure or supress an autoimmune disease. I don't even know which one it is and whats being mimicked. Another thing tho that I did mention and I wonder if its related in any way is I went to the dermatologist a few days ago and it was for a fungus growing on my skin do to excessesive yeast. I wonder if the yeast has run rampant in my stomach. Good thing about the yeast is its not candida, but still don't have an exact ID on it.
I feel that by trying to raise my vitamin d levels that I exasperated this "autoimmune disease"???
I'm wondering if there's any correlation between the autoimmune disease and this yeast overgrowth?
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i really hope you have a good MD this Monday because you're really thinking hard about this it seems... this is good but you need someone qualified in your corner. i've already explained to you that i've been on 50,000 IU's for 3+ months every other day and 10,000 IU's all the days in between and had my test just this past week. this long spread between high dosage is based on his experience with these things. he's actually told me i still may be deficient so we'll see this monday. i know i've mentioned this already and that is that our bodies produce upto 40,000 IU's from 4 hours of direct sunlight if an adequate amount of our skin is exposed to the sun. now with tis in mind, doesn't it make sense that those who live in the southern hemisphere would be dead from vitamin D toxicity due to their time spent in the direct sunlight basically like forever? i think you'll be fine taking 10,000 IU's but you really should talk with your MD if your concerned, but vitamin D deficiency can cause so many other issues, including a complete inability to use any calcium at all if there isn't a balance between the two. you need vitamin D in order to use calcium, to me, this is probably the real issue regarding bone disease in women but i'm no expert, just someone who can think on the fly and put two and two together every now and then... i really hope this new MD knows their shit for your sake and PeaCe of mind, because you deserve it after all you have been through...
and as far as an autoimmune disease and topical fungal infection goes, it isn't tinea versicolor is it? oops! gots to go... my peeps are here! talk top you tomorrow maybe...
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People in the southern hemisphere get so much Vitamin D that their body down regulates it and i understand there are different ways of dosing vitamin d. You can do large doses every other day or once a week, every other week, I've even heard of huge doses evey 3 months or take small doses like I do everyday. I also understand by raising vitamin d u raise calcium levels at the same time. The underactive thyroid causing low levels of parathyroid hormone is what causes the low levels of vitamin d in the first place but if the cause of the underactive thyroid is caused by an autoimmune disease then you would have to find the cause of that becoming closer to the root of the problem
Most often taking 10,000 iu would be fine but if there is an autoimmune disease that's supressing the thyroid which causes suppressed parathyroid hormone as well then all adding vitamin d will do is basically kick start the autoimmune disease causing wat is called a flair up and its going to down regulate vitamin d levels anyways since its attacking the thyroid causing hormone levels to fall like t4,t3 and importantly PTH with a rise in tsh and a number of other problems like inflammation through out the body. See what I'm sayin?
My endocrinologist herself even suggested an autoimmune disease but I kinda let it roll off my shoulder. There's a reason with certain autoimmune diseases they don't raise vitamin d very much and its because it agitates the condition. There is a way to get around this I think and I think it would start by eliminating the yeast in my body and going on an anti allergen and anti inflammatory diet, cleaning out whatever metals possible then retesting, first things first I need to get checked for if and what auto immune disease/s could be possibly effecting me.
I see where ur rational thinking is coming from with the vitamin d but Idk how knowledable you are on how autimmune diseases effect the body. Not saying I'm not feeling effects from low vitamin d either but raising vitamin d causes the autoimmune disease to flair up and it down regulates vitamin d anyways while causing more problems along the way. There is a way to treat this tho besides anti inflammatory medication or corticosteroids but this isn't ur common problem but it is becoming more prevalent in the society we live in prescribing antibiotics for evey little thing and are germ free living.
A lot of this is already common knowledge to me but the vitamin d causing the autoimmune disease to flair up is new.
I've been reading for years about this stuff and am going to school to be an RN and may possibly get my BSN. My endocrinologist did suggest the likely hood of my thyroid condition being caused by an autoimmune disease which does carry more weight then me suggesting it to my physician, the rest of what I have to say is just speculation...
Yea the fungal growth is tinea, I acTually diagnosed it years ago but never really thought to much of it. Just kept using anti fungals to get by but I'm more looking at the overgrowth of yeast in my body being tbe problem, the fungus just came with that. I know this is a somewhat common thing but there could be a correlation between the two. I've seen a case before where it was the cause of the autoimmune disease.
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sorry i had to go before but friends arrived and they just left and my wife has crashed for the evening... there were some points i was unable to address before your last post that I'd like to address now. first i believe that too low a level of vitamin d will cause calcemia because the calcium isn't being used and remains suspended in the blood so to speak. this is just my idea though, I'd really have to talk to my MD for you. it's interesting that you say you can actually feel the effects of a single dose of vitamin d when you increase it from 8 to 10K IU's when i don't feel shit when i take 50,000 IU's and i don't believe that your hypothyroidism played a role in your autoimmune i think your autoimmune issues played a role in your hypothyroidism, i think you've got it backwards but this new MD you're seeing should be able to clarify this for you or set me straight, but again, i'm only receiving a phone call Monday, whether it's from my MD or his staff is unclear but if i get him on the phone, i promise i will bring all of this up to him...
and you don't try to suppress the immune system you should try to balance it out or get it to chill the fuck out which is why in one of my previous posts i made several suggestions. one, consider the insulin diet i posted in a direct link to you, and i probably abstain from more of the dairy then it suggested as it said to completely avoid milk but that you could use some forms of dairy, but this is up to you. i suggested seeing a qualified allergist who values testing for hyper and delayed allergic response to foods and environmental exposure as opposed to the widely used but much less likely issue of immediate response which is the IgE test. i said that a test called the c reactive protein test could be used to determine the level of inflammation going on but this test is generally only used in patients with real serious autoimmune disorder like artery disease and lupus among others as it can give you and your MD an idea of the real level of inflammation and the nature of this SUSPECTED autoimmune response. i have to agree with you, there very well could be an autoimmune condition that standard blood panels like you put up in one of your posts will fail to reveal...
and yeast can run rampant anywhere in the body but we all have healthy acceptable levels of candida but a topical fugal infection like tinea versicolor is caused by another organism. i don't remember the name of the organism but it is well known and your dermatologist should have been able to tell you. the weird thing is, i had that shit all over my chest, abdomen, shoulders and neck, along with seborrhea of the face and scalp, psoriasis, eczema and other so called INCURABLE skin diseases that were all brought on from being on powerful meds for over a 7 year period and was told I'd have to live with them forever as there were no cures and in less then three months they all disappeared and haven't returned in over a 7-8 month period... this just goes to show you what standard allopathic medicine really knows... this is why i really hope your MD you're meeting Monday knows what the fuck they are doing because all of my MD's not only knew squat regarding what they determined i had they missed 4 serious underlying health issues for over 7 years... i'm shitting you not man... like you're probably being put on an anti fungal cream for the tinea and being told it can go away and flare up at any point in the future like i was when in fact it is a fucking fungus that thrives on sugar and by merely strictly following the diet i gave you which completely restricts simple carbs which are in effect sugars, you completely starve the topical fungal infection... now you do what you want but i was told it was incurable yet i am cured from the shit and all i did on my own mind you was cut out sugars, dairy, wheat/gluton and meat as i basically went balanced vegan over night... i did use supplements also, but you need to come to terms with what you decide you want to use as i was doing this all on my own without the help of any MD at that point in time. it wasn't until about 4-5 months after i made real changes on my own that i met my new MD's, because even though really significant things occurred in my life, many things were still very wrong only i was unable to figure it out on my own.
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I feel that by trying to raise my vitamin d levels that I exasperated this "autoimmune disease"???
and i think you're wrong here as there is so much out there saying that vitamin D protects against auto immune attacks/inappropriate response.... look at what they are recently saying regarding MS... MS is an autoimmune disease where the immune system attacks the myelin(sp?) sheath and vitamin D not only helps battle the autoimmune response it is helping balance these attacks. can you show me one study or website that is saying raising vitamin D causes bad autoimmune response? I'd really appreciate this as this is flying in the face of what i've read and what i've been told. if anything a low vitamin D level is a significant consequence of a serious autoimmune response... just saying man, just saying... vitamin D is so critical for a normal autoimmune response, why do you think a low vitamin D condition can be directly tied to a disease like cancer? in order for cancer to exist a serious state of inflammation and autoimmune deficiency are needed in order for cancer to begin to proliferate from all that i have read and been told. i know and admit i have a lot to learn about many things including this subject so if you can provide me with clear evidence I'd really appreciate being proven wrong on the matter as i would prefer to understand the truth then believe in a lie...
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I'm wondering if there's any correlation between the autoimmune disease and this yeast overgrowth?
yes, and a solid diet, which includes reducing simple sugars/carbs will starve the yeast/fungus as well as boost the immune system. at least i believe this, but again, i could be wrong as i'm only basing this on my own personal experience and was told that i did all the right things on my own about 3 months after the fact which was three months into some real hard core changes... i'm going to end this here and address your last post separately as i have a number of haters who despise my walls of text and the last shit i need is an anon posting bullshit negative now... i hate anonymous posting but really do understand why it is needed in forums like this...
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cateyes
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i'm actually exhauste3d right now, i'm going to try and address this when i read your last post later today as it's already 12:45 am, and i'm beat...
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Ur getting some of what I said wrong, but yea the autoimmun disease caused the thyroid condition, the thyroid condition made the levels of vitamin d low do to low parathyroid hormone. Low levels of vitamin d arnt really associated with calcemia but more or less bone loss, depression, cancer, illness, and if even low enough heart failure. High levels which r toxic would cause calcemia mostly built up in the kidneys if it went on long enough it could cause possible renal failure and or possibly irreversible kidney damage.
Upping vitamin d for someone autoimmune cause most autoimmune diseases to flare up. By flaring up it would just do what its already been doing but worse during the flare up. In my case it suppresses the thyroid which would suppress PTH and just downregulate the vitamin d anyways and I didn't go from 8000-10000 units I went from 4000-8000 still its not a lot but just saying. Lol I understand how critical vitamin d is but certain autoimmune disorders like the one I probably have downregulate it, when u increase vitamin d it causes the autoimmune disease to flair up. So ur just ending up where u began with low vitamin d plus aggravating the autoimmune response and suppressing the thyroid. It'd be better off to attempt to solve whats causing the autoimmune reaction. I need to find out if its hashimotos first off cause its affecting my thyroid and thats the most common for thst, if not I need to find out what it is regardless and if its localized or systemic
As for diet that's where its gonna have to start, I understand how to eat to achieve this its just about getting a proper diagnoses at this point but thanks I really appreciate ur input.
I wasn't put on a topical cream but am using selenium and zinc. Still topical but yea cutting sugar would be good, also gluten and yeast of course
The good thing is the last CBC test I had was good my WBC count was 8000 which range is 6000-10000
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i heard my email go off in the next room since i have this thread toggled and checked to see what it was and low and behold it was you... no, at one point in one of your previous posts you said your hypothyroid caused the autoimmune response, then later you said the opposite in the following post which is why i mentioned it... could you do me a big favor? could you provide one or two links on how vitamin d can exasperate an autoimmune response and how an autoimmune response will down regulate vitamin D? you know what's weird and a shame at the same time? we have a few biochemists on the board and some of them love to argue about diets but none are here now when we really need their input... go fucking figure!
no for real, good night... and don't forget the posts so i can get a better grip of this mechanism you're describing, OK?
(edit) and you did say that elevating vitamin d could cause calcemia... at least i believe you did....
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Sure but the autoimmune response doesnt directly down regulate vitamin d it does this by suppressing the thyroid and parathyroid hormone. But increasing the amount of vitamin d causes the autoimmune disorder to act up and by making the autoimmune disorder act up your making it supress the thyroid gland more then it already is and causing even less PTH. So by raising vitamin d ur causing the autoimmune disorder to supress the thyroid more then it normally would be doing so by doing that you'd indirectly be down regulating vitamin d through the thyroid.
Not also to mention that causing the autoimmune disease to flare up in my case suppresses my thyroid which means going hypo and any other effects that may take place like muscle tension, fatiuge, weakness, possible depression, or anxiety when increasing d temporarily followed by a crash.
Heres one article off the top of google i read up on quite a bit more then this tho, you should be able to find more if you look and live responses from other autoimmune thyroid patients that have had similar effects explained when trying to raise their vitamin d levels
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-04/arf-vdm040809.php
Here's a quote from that article
"Furthermore, low levels of 25-D are frequently noted in patients with autoimmune disease, leading to a current consensus that a deficiency of the secosteroid may contribute to the autoimmune disease process. However, Marshall and team explain that these low levels of 25-D are a result, rather than a cause, of the disease process. Indeed, Marshall's research shows that in autoimmune disease, 25-D levels are naturally down-regulated in response to VDR dysregulation by chronic pathogens. Under such circumstances, supplementation with extra vitamin D is not only counterproductive but harmful, as it slows the ability of the immune system to deal with such bacteria.
The team points out the importance of examining alternate models of vitamin D metabolism. "Vitamin D is currently being recommended at historically unprecedented doses," states Amy Proal, one of the paper's co-authors. "Yet at the same time, the rate of nearly every autoimmune disease continues to escalate.""
But on another note if you don't already have an autoimmune disease then yes vitamin d could help prevent it along with many other health conditions.
Check out this a though, this is what I think I have going on.
http://drhedberg.com/2011/02/10/autoimmune-thyroid/article
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i've spent about three hours or so looking into both links including THIS LINK from your first link... dude, to me this is probably one of the most relevant links/threads i've read to date man... i'm not sure if you have visited that particular website but i'm just blown away man, i mean seriously, to the degree we donated $125.00 about a half an hour ago and under suggestions in PayPal i stated that the donation was being made on behalf of my wife, myself, my two children and Mr Aderson!!! i am floored and i have so much to share with you man... i've subscribed to every associated Utube channel i've discovered so far and i still have more to look at, so there may be even more. have you visited Amy's site yet? she has linked milk to Parkinson's disease! which really doesn't surprise me to say the least, the way i feel regarding standard dairy... factory farmed dairy is definitely poison in my eyes now...
have you ever had a pathogen blood test done? i did and it came back normal but about 5-6 months before i was tested i did many things on my own including using a high quality olive leaf extract, oil of oregano and a very high quality milk thistle so i basically grabbed the bull by the horns on my own and possibly took care of issues without even realizing i had issues. i mean i knew i felt terrible on so many levels and at the time i suspected i had candida but because i didn't have open sores my MD at the time refused to test me for it... what a fucking jerk he turned out to be, yet i had mega symptoms that weren't even recognized by allopathic medicine, yet i fell neatly into the integrative/alternative symptom chart... and when i pointed this out to him he basically said they have no clue what they're talking about... and it's because of this i have absolutely no faith what so ever regarding allopathic medicine any longer, none man. they suck as far as i'm concerned... they tripped me over for over 7 years and they have killed multiple millions, tens of millions, over the long haul.
isn't it strange that you start a thread on 5-htp and it degrades into something this powerful. in all honesty, you probably don't need to be using 5-htp. if you'd like to take this conversation into Pm's i'm cool with that it's just that i've got so much happening today and i've got very little time available to get into this until later on but awesome stuff dude...
let me know your thoughts on this, OK?
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I think there's one component that has been left out that is just as integral to this discussion of inflammation and disease: exercise; Its one of the fundamental ways inflammation is reduced. Your exercise routine's frequency and quality should be taken into account, too.
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Yea when I work out it helps a lot! I wanna start liftin though now, I was doing a lot of cardio before, running 3.5 miles in 45 mins. Not to bad. I used to run 5 miles in that time though, but I was boxing and doing that fighting bs. I was only 6% body fat with a lot of muscle. That stopped a little over 2 years ago when this started. I still have a lot of muscle but a little fat now to, not to bad at all concidering the circumstances but I could do better.
Yea I stopped taking 5htp the second day when we started discussing vitamin d and I decided to increase my dose. The depression was definately caused by low levels but I can't really raise them much because I'm kind of in a pickle with the autoimmune disease right now. There are some cases of people getting thyroid function back depending on which autoimmune disease they had and how fast they were able to reverse it before it damaged to much of the thyroid. That's being hopeful though.
Thanks for the donation! I just checked out that website. I have to fill out a questionaire to get to the second page. Either way the first thing I'm gonna talk to my doctor about is getting on a diet thats anti inflammatory and anti yeast/bacteria while getting on that probiotic. I'm also gonna have them run tests for autoimmune disease since my endocrinologist suggested it. that should carry more weight then coming from here. Tomarrow I'm not seeing my physician though. I'm seeing an endocrinologist for a second opinion. I'll explain to him what's going on and hopefully maybe he'll check it out. I'm seeing my physician next Friday though so either way I'm doing my part to get diagnosed.
I saw the dermatologist last week and was surprised that she referred me to a endocrinologist for a second opinion but was really grateful. I was even more surprised to get in by Monday which was only a 5 day wait. Usually it takes a month or months to see one. This is at the main campus for cleveland clinic. It's a really good hospital and its huge!!! Hopefully I park in the right garage this time instead on the opposite side of the hospital lol.
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