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 tdmm
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 North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? 
#15778990 - 02/08/12 12:06 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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I'm not sure I'll ever attempt brewing and consuming it, but I want to grow plants containing the important chemicals regardless.
I've read that phalaris grass (for DMT) and syrian rue (harmala/MAOI) both grow well here, and contain the right chemicals, but I'm not sure if this is outdated information.
So, what is the current thinking on this? What grows well in North American climate (I live in hardiness zone 8)?
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: tdmm]
#15779098 - 02/08/12 12:30 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Syrian rue is a real pain to grow; I know you'd rather have a renewable resource; but I'd suggest just buying the Rue and growing the phalaris/mimosa.
I know Phalaris is hardy, but I don't know how good it is as a source for Ayahuasca without lots of defatting and extractions.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: RourkeAnderson]
#15779500 - 02/08/12 01:49 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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think it contains gramine in various amounts...
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: tdmm]
#15783446 - 02/09/12 10:58 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Surprised no one else has opinions on this? I've been researching and researching and I have put in an order for desmanthus illinoisis seeds as a DMT source.
The MAOI part is definitely seeming a bit murkier though. As the previous poster mentioned getting syrian rue seedlings started seems to be a PITA. I might give it a try anyway though. One page I read mentioned raising the pH as high as 8 and they will thrive.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: tdmm]
#15783659 - 02/09/12 11:50 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
tdmm said:
Surprised no one else has opinions on this? I've been researching and researching and I have put in an order for desmanthus illinoisis seeds as a DMT source.
The MAOI part is definitely seeming a bit murkier though. As the previous poster mentioned getting syrian rue seedlings started seems to be a PITA. I might give it a try anyway though. One page I read mentioned raising the pH as high as 8 and they will thrive.
Passionflower leaves contain harmaline alkaloids. These are MAO-A inhibitors.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: tdmm]
#15783685 - 02/09/12 11:58 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Passiflora incarnata is supposedly a great source of MAOIs. Should be hardy to zone 8 and some relatives are even hardier, but I don't know if they also contain MAOIs.
edit: Just noticed that Ieponumos beat me to the punch while I was writing this post.
Edited by naum (02/09/12 03:07 PM)
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: naum]
#15783803 - 02/09/12 12:28 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Thanks guys! Beautiful flower, definitely going to grow this.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: tdmm]
#15784179 - 02/09/12 01:51 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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I grow Desmanthus illinoensis for fun more than the possibility of harvest. Pretty affordable to get seeds in large quantities if you look around. D. leptolobus and Lespedeza bicolor also get mentioned as cold hardy DMT sources.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: tdmm]
#15790483 - 02/10/12 09:19 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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I grow p. alba, M. hostilis, p. harmala.
They can be brought indoors for the winter.
P. incarnata and D. Illinoensis should grow well outdoors in zine 8. The incarnata took over the back yard, and the illinois bundleflower is spreading through the front.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: Admiral Ackbar]
#15799446 - 02/12/12 05:59 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I went on a similar search a while back and found Psychotria Viridis to be the best choice. The only downside is it will take a while to grow enough for a brew. This isn't a problem for me since I don't plan on making a batch very often.
Phalaris grasses would be the best short term source but there is some extraction involved.
As far as maoi's I would just buy syrian rue. I don't think it'll ever be hard to acquire and the price per brew is insanely cheap. If I were intent on growing the maoi I'd definetely go with passionflower since from experience syrian rue is indeed difficult to grow to maturity and seed.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: Psikotrope]
#15800301 - 02/12/12 08:50 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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St. John's Wort is a well known MAOI. Might want to look into cult for that as your MAOI.
Phalaris sp. do contain DMT, but, as noted above, also contain the alkaloid gramine which can be toxic if enough is ingested.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: Forager]
#15802117 - 02/13/12 08:17 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I think Desmanthus illinoensis contains some gramine as well, doesn't sound like it has very much though.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: psi]
#15803191 - 02/13/12 01:05 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Honestly not worth the effort to extract reed grass IMO. Yield is about 0.1%, and to date there's no cheap and reliable way to separate gramine from the other alkaloids, at least not to my knowledge. Unless you have a pretty solid grasp on the chemistry required, I'd stick with a safer, cheaper, and less time-consuming alternative.
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Re: North American 'ayahuasca'; what do you recommend growing? [Re: velcroshaman]
#15803251 - 02/13/12 01:16 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thanks for all the responses. I've been doing a lot of reading and I am going to start with growing some desmanthus sp. I have some illinoensis germinating now and some leptobolus seeds on order.
I also found a garden website that sells live passiflora incarnata, which I ordered, so I'm very pleased with this.
It will be fun to grow these whether or not I ever try to extract them.
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