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#15778657 - 02/08/12 10:33 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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For the sake of ths thread, let us assume the following scenario is true.
Simple elements under heat, pressure, and elecric discharge form amino acids. (This part is true.)
Some compounds called lipids naturally form a bubble shape under ordinary conditions. (Again true)
Some compounds get trapped inside such lipids, forming an inside and an outside. (Still true.)
Some compounds form chemical keys that trigger the formation of similar compounds. (True.)
So what we have are is something akin to a primitive cell wall, some self-replicating compounds and the building blocks or proteins.
*The next part is speculative*
More complex reactions take place until we have a cell that uses energy to capture more material and energy. When the accumulation is too great another cell buds and then becomes autonomous. Certain compounds become sensitive to heat, light and movement and the first sense organs are born.
And so on until we have complex critters with large snapping jaws and tiny beady eyes. A zillion years later we have humans.
Provided that life is a continum from the inaninate to the animate with no single hyper-jump "Aha!" moment, then where/when does the soul come in?
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/when does the soul come in?
It doesn't. At least not the 'soul' that people assume they have. I think of soul as being a temporary arrangement... rather than some eternal magic. But thats me.
Here you will love this video. It describes Abiogenesis in good detail.
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Some great science to start and then you went all tangential. 
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 Re: Life from non-life [Re: tribesman]
#15779469 - 02/08/12 01:42 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah, I skipped typing in the other 400 pages to get to the point. My bad.
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Are you suggesting there is no soul ?
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: tribesman]
#15779541 - 02/08/12 01:57 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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I just proved it with a single post.
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Possibly 
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: tribesman]
#15779604 - 02/08/12 02:11 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: tribesman] 1
#15779615 - 02/08/12 02:13 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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I believe everything natural imbues life. The rocks are formed from conscious life that has died, and other matter which holds the residual energy of that being, which makes it still life to me (energy that is projected) I guess it doesn't hold up to to what science says life is, but in my mind even baron rocky or icy planets communicate to the universe, so there for they are alive.
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: dkmonk]
#15779632 - 02/08/12 02:16 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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The rocks are formed from conscious life that has died
Really? Read a little geology just so as not to look like a total _ _ _ _ _.
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: dkmonk]
#15779640 - 02/08/12 02:18 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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At what age did you start seeing the impossibilities ?
“The more crap you believe, the better off you are.”
― Charles Bukowski
I agree with this quote, but some of his other ones, 
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: dkmonk]
#15779646 - 02/08/12 02:19 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Okay, so why are fossils part of rocks?
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: dkmonk]
#15779671 - 02/08/12 02:23 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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but in my mind even baron rocky or icy planets communicate to the universe, so there for they are alive
I can only feel gratitude that I am not in there.
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: dkmonk] 1
#15779747 - 02/08/12 02:38 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Why can't these so called lifeless planets not project communication by certain vibration or frequencies to the rest of the universe letting it know what is going on? If mycelium is one big organism that communicates throughout then I don't see how the universe is excluded from having such communication.
No need for response, because I know my ideas are strictly just my ideas formed in my head, because that is what seems logical to me without much if any scientific data.
I see no problem in viewing it as this until proven otherwise, especially when there are billions of other people that believe in much more abstract things, but it makes sense to them, so why not?
I don't say my beliefs are law or even fact, but present them as an idea to create spark to other peoples thoughts which may allow them to form their own idea, and who knows they might be a scientist and use this idea to discover something new, because I told them something abstract that I believed.
I think this topic fitted my response, because it seems not stooped in facts, and welcome to personal ideas.
Sorry, if my thoughts offend anybody, because it is dumb to them. Just ignore them.
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: tribesman] 2
#15780167 - 02/08/12 04:16 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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So your unsupported beliefs are justified just because many people believe more ridiculous things? 
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My unsupported beliefs are justified, because I don't present them as facts and present them as what I think happens, and what makes sense to me.
I used that as an example, because I feel like the common assumption is I am immature for theorizing this what is my own spiritual belief, but other spiritual beliefs are more abstract.
I only use it when the subject matter not based on facts, and personal theories are put in by others, so I add mine to join when it fits the conversation.
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: dkmonk]
#15780254 - 02/08/12 04:31 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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what definition of soul are we working with, just out of curiosity?
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: millzy]
#15780274 - 02/08/12 04:34 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Life=indulgence
Death= lack of indulgence
-from the book of laveys book of satanism.
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"It is the "Devil" who caused women to show their legs, to titillate men - the same kind of legs,
now socially acceptable to gaze upon, which are revealed by young nuns as they walk about
in their shortened habits. What a delightful step in the right (or left) direction! Is it possible
we will soon see "topless" nuns sensually throwing their bodies about to the "Missa Solemnis
Rock"? Satan smiles and says he would like that fine - many nuns are very pretty girls with nice legs." -La Vey- Aka The Black Pope
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: millzy]
#15780304 - 02/08/12 04:40 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Well I was trying to say that I think rocks being part of a living organism Earth makes them alive, and I have seen many fossils in rocks which leads me to believe that some intelligent life forms energy was transferred to that rock also. All of this belonging to the Universe which is one organism communicating with its smaller building blocks and vice versa, so a rock usually seen as non life in my mind is actually living.
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Re: Life from non-life [Re: dkmonk]
#15780401 - 02/08/12 05:05 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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My unsupported beliefs are justified, because I don't present them as facts and present them as what I think happens, and what makes sense to me.
It boggles my mind how you can claim that you simultaneously believe something happens, and also believe it is not a fact. 
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