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 Timothy Leary was a damn fool
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And the hippie movement was a failure. Who know's what a better place the world would be if he didn't fuck up so badly. For a psychologist he certainly lacked the insight into how society works, how throughout history drastic change pushed like that, especially in that nature, always has a push back with more weight.
For Leary it was Nixon, and the societies embracing of the ways of the past.
For Robespierre and his Jacobins of the French Revolution it was Fouche and Barras and the Bourgeoisie society.
For Cromwell it was the Catholic establishment..
Only a fool reforms to much at once...
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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And the hippie movement was a failure. Who know's what a better place the world would be if he didn't fuck up so badly. For a psychologist he certainly lacked the insight into how society works, how throughout history drastic change pushed like that, especially in that nature, always has a push back with more weight.
For Leary it was Nixon, and the societies embracing of the ways of the past.
For Robespierre and his Jacobins of the French Revolution it was Fouche and Barras and the Bourgeoisie society.
For Cromwell it was the Catholic establishment..
Only a fool reforms to much at once...
I liked Leary a lot. I would likely never have had access to all those many many acid trips if not for him. Guys like him are rare indeed. A great actor on the human stage. I doubt we will ever know how large his contribution to the psychedelicazation of our human experience. Yea Tim 
And what a joke saying he fucked things up. Nobody had to listen to him. You so funny guy what! 
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
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Are you downplaying tempu's conributions to society?
Leary will look like a pygmy compared to me.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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 U so funny guy what.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
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U so funny guy what.
I'm not kidding. I'm 20 years old and I am only at the beginning of the course I must run. All the things I have done up till now are nothing compared to what my destiny is.
A psychic read my life line and actually told me I would be immensely successful in enterprise and humanitarian ventures, and that I would reach "great heights".
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I should also mention I have made it a part of my life purpose to buy this house.
It's about 8 mil.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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It's a house an Emperor could live in 
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita] 1
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because having a big house has a lot to do with one's impact on the world ... 
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because having a big house has a lot to do with one's impact on the world ...
It's MORE often then not an indicator/result of it...Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington...more often then not. There are a few cases where its not the case, like Alexander Fleming, or Tim Berners-Lee, or Ghandi... But usually people who change the world have big houses.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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Well at least he painted a map of how not to go about trying to change society, and getting an virtually unknown chemical widely excepted as a medical benefit.
I think he served his purpose though, maybe not in the most positive manner that would of ended up helping LSD be used in clinics, but I do believe he had heart and truly thought what he was doing was going to change everything.
You can't blame a man too much for trying to do the right thing, but ending with adverse consequences.
It was a radical era, and he was expressing the atmosphere of the time through his radical speeches and actions. I think he over shot the grass and landed in the pond.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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lolz point being was that if your mission is to change the world obtaining an $8 mil house shouldn't be your foremost goal
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lolz point being was that if your mission is to change the world obtaining an $8 mil house shouldn't be your foremost goal
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I should also mention I have made it a part of my life purpose to buy this house.
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but I do believe he had heart and truly thought what he was doing was going to change everything.
You can't blame a man too much for trying to do the right thing, but ending with adverse consequences.
I have always thought it was the greatest mistake to judge people on their intentions, however noble, then the results of their actions.
I think you can blame someone for trying to do the right thing and failing. That's how the real world works. Rather than turn on the world to LSD, he is exactly the reason why practically no one does LSD, and that it is so hard to find.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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He needed someone to steer him in the right direction, because with his passion for what he believed in I think he could of really made the outcome 180 degrees, but either he was too full of himself or someone never told he he is about to derail, and a more logical decision is this one.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: dkmonk]
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He was a hipster.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: dkmonk]
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He needed someone to steer him in the right direction, because with his passion for what he believed in I think he could of really made the outcome 180 degrees, but either he was too full of himself or someone never told he he is about to derail, and a more logical decision is this one.
Its his fault! Plenty of people told him a lot of what he was doing was a bad idea, and he was too pig headed.
Think of all the gains society would have made had he not failed in the responsibility he put on himself. It's all him. A damn failure.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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Well, that is why I said, "he was either to full of himself or"
I really don't have disdain for the man, nor do I feel compassion for him. I don't think he messed up anything too serious, it isn't like man kind was set back 200 years or anything. I just don't see a reason to resent him, but instead look at hi failure as a lesson on how not to go about doing a certain things.
I understand this is a sensitive topic for you, and you feel that he messed up things monumentally, but I personally don't feel it was that severe and might feel this way due to my ignorance on the subject.
At least we still are able to get it, and he didn't make it go extinct or something.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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8 years ago Swami wrote:
Saw the Moody Blues in an outdoor concert in Florida shortly after Leary died. When they started playing "Timothy Leary's Dead" the most spectacular light show ever started, only it was not planned. A thunderstorm a few miles away provided pyrotechnics almost as if choreographed to the music (I was completely sober and straight) complete with different, shimmering colors of "heat" lightning and the occasional thunderbolt. The storm subsided or moved out of range as the song ended.
Everyone commented on the synchronicity; the band, the audience, even the reviewer in the local paper. Some thought it was the spirit of Dr. Leary putting on a performance for us.
As cool as it was, I wonder what it would have been like to have been tripping at the time...
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8 years ago Swami wrote:
Saw the Moody Blues in an outdoor concert in Florida shortly after Leary died. When they started playing "Timothy Leary's Dead" the most spectacular light show ever started, only it was not planned. A thunderstorm a few miles away provided pyrotechnics almost as if choreographed to the music (I was completely sober and straight) complete with different, shimmering colors of "heat" lightning and the occasional thunderbolt. The storm subsided or moved out of range as the song ended.
Everyone commented on the synchronicity; the band, the audience, even the reviewer in the local paper. Some thought it was the spirit of Dr. Leary putting on a performance for us.
As cool as it was, I wonder what it would have been like to have been tripping at the time...
Damn. I bet a huricaine will happen when I die. Or maybe the world will end.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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Leary was a loud mouth who fucked it up for everyone.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: LeeHarvOz]
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Leary was a loud mouth who fucked it up for everyone.
This is what I'm saying
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I'll take that as a complement. That I am versetile.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: LeeHarvOz]
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I think that thunderstorm clearly shows Leary was the Almighty benovelont creator and that was his way of saying whats up.
Sarcasm in case someone is worse than I am at detecting it.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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And the hippie movement was a failure. Who know's what a better place the world would be if he didn't fuck up so badly. For a psychologist he certainly lacked the insight into how society works, how throughout history drastic change pushed like that, especially in that nature, always has a push back with more weight.
For Leary it was Nixon, and the societies embracing of the ways of the past.
For Robespierre and his Jacobins of the French Revolution it was Fouche and Barras and the Bourgeoisie society.
For Cromwell it was the Catholic establishment..
Only a fool reforms to much at once...
must stop butt-hurt now...!!!!!
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lolz point being was that if your mission is to change the world obtaining an $8 mil house shouldn't be your foremost goal
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I should also mention I have made it a part of my life purpose to buy this house.
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but I do believe he had heart and truly thought what he was doing was going to change everything.
You can't blame a man too much for trying to do the right thing, but ending with adverse consequences.
I have always thought it was the greatest mistake to judge people on their intentions, however noble, then the results of their actions.
I think you can blame someone for trying to do the right thing and failing. That's how the real world works. Rather than turn on the world to LSD, he is exactly the reason why practically no one does LSD, and that it is so hard to find.
Hard to find? better work on your connections Mr. Amazing.
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Leary was a loud mouth who fucked it up for everyone.
I thought that was you?
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He needed someone to steer him in the right direction, because with his passion for what he believed in I think he could of really made the outcome 180 degrees, but either he was too full of himself or someone never told he he is about to derail, and a more logical decision is this one.
Its his fault! Plenty of people told him a lot of what he was doing was a bad idea, and he was too pig headed.
Think of all the gains society would have made had he not failed in the responsibility he put on himself. It's all him. A damn failure.
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You're learning to laugh at yourself.
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You're learning to laugh at yourself.
I was laughing at you! "Mr. Amazing" lmao hide your bitterness
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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Who's hiding Mr. I'm telling everyone I'm going to be rich and successful someday as if that's never been done by every minimum wager at the pub.
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Who's hiding Mr. I'm telling everyone I'm going to be rich and successful someday as if that's never been done by every minimum wager at the pub.
Yeah but its my destiny... And I'm not a minimum wager L O L I have never had a job like that in my life. I started my own business when I was 17 selling fixed up used cars.
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Pics or it never happened.
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Pics or it never happened.
Of what??? It was all through craigslist. I'd buy 2002-2004 Toyota Corrola's with busted catalytic converters for 1k, fix them up and sell for 2k. I netted 24k in one year. Not a lot, but pretty good for your average high schooler.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15775062 - 02/07/12 04:28 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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A used car salesman.
Yeah, exactly. It's my talent.. I know the stigma with used car salesmen, but if you can sell a used car you can sell anything.
It's actually funny how I started too. IT all started when my dad took my car away for 6 months for breaking curfew. I bought one ($800), fixed it up ($400) so it could pass smog, and then when I got my original car back I sold it for $2000 ($800 profit!!!). The rest is history!
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Next how about a tin man.
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I'm actually in construction right now with my dads company, but I am shifting into an import/export business.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15775075 - 02/07/12 04:31 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Dude this is the Shroomery, do you know how many 20 year olds here claim to be a big success and on their way to being a rich politician? Hey! Did you know you can claim anything you want on the internet and no one can prove you're fos? True story.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15775091 - 02/07/12 04:34 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Dude this is the Shroomery, do you know how many 20 year olds here claim to be a big success and on their way to being a rich politician? Hey! Did you know you can claim anything you want on the internet and no one can prove you're fos? True story.
I'm not a big success. But I am twenty. And hungry. And have had some moderate success before. Do the math. Did I mention a psychic told me I would reach "great heights" in "enterprise and humanitarian work?"
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15775250 - 02/07/12 05:03 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Yeah I think you mentioned that.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15775709 - 02/07/12 06:23 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Yeah I think you mentioned that.
It means I'm going to be great FYI. When I walk in a room everyone will notice. It feels very good for that to be your destiny.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15775864 - 02/07/12 06:52 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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This is the thread that died and came back to life, and survives by a mutated flu virus called Spam.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15775897 - 02/07/12 06:58 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Really?
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: xFrockx]
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15775936 - 02/07/12 07:06 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Timothy Leary did what anyone would do if they were him.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: xFrockx]
#15775978 - 02/07/12 07:12 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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well said
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: xFrockx]
#15775984 - 02/07/12 07:12 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Glad to have someone agree that he doesn't deserve so much dislike.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: dkmonk]
#15775988 - 02/07/12 07:13 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Read my post. I think he was a great american hero.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15776141 - 02/07/12 07:38 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sarcasm? I need a detector.
I personally don't view him as an American hero especially a great one, but a part of history and a face for a movement that was a unique time in American history, but I don't personally think it makes him a hero of sorts.
I think he is an American counter culture legend, and had more balls than I ever will for attempting to change the culture of that time.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15776362 - 02/07/12 08:22 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:
A psychic read my life line and actually told me I would be immensely successful in enterprise and humanitarian ventures, and that I would reach "great heights".
Don't tell me you had to pay someone to tell you how special and unique you are?
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: dkmonk]
#15777608 - 02/08/12 02:34 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sarcasm? I need a detector.
I personally don't view him as an American hero especially a great one, but a part of history and a face for a movement that was a unique time in American history, but I don't personally think it makes him a hero of sorts.
I think he is an American counter culture legend, and had more balls than I ever will for attempting to change the culture of that time.
No sarcasm. Great man and stood up to the man and spread the word. Turn on, tune in, drop out. I actually took his advice to some degree and I beat the system.
Anyone who disses him is a fucking idiot moron stooge tool and doesn't have a clue imo. Seriously. The fact that hardly any human could benefit from what he was laying out is no surprise to me now that I have the benefit of hindsight. And for the few of us that could in any degree.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander] 1
#15777633 - 02/08/12 02:53 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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I feel like the youth in all their open ideas and questioning of authority followed blindly almost anyone who sympathized with them, and didn't question them, but accepted them with open arms as a person of pedagogy. Seems counter productive.
It is no wonder there were a lot of cults that popped up then, it was easy to heard the sheep as long as you said baaaa.
Not saying today is any different, but the youth questioned authority at every turn, except the authority that was in their circle and potentially able to cause the most damage to their cause.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: dkmonk]
#15777671 - 02/08/12 03:47 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Humans don't change. That's what Leary didn't understand until much later. But LSD was a mind blowing experience for humanity at large and some even benefited from the experience. Thanks TL. That's quite a legacy.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15778398 - 02/08/12 09:14 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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He flies the astral plane.
Brings you back on the same da-ay.
Tim'thy O'Leary ~ Moody Blues
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15779414 - 02/08/12 01:33 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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And the hippie movement was a failure. Who know's what a better place the world would be if he didn't fuck up so badly. For a psychologist he certainly lacked the insight into how society works, how throughout history drastic change pushed like that, especially in that nature, always has a push back with more weight.
For Leary it was Nixon, and the societies embracing of the ways of the past.
For Robespierre and his Jacobins of the French Revolution it was Fouche and Barras and the Bourgeoisie society.
For Cromwell it was the Catholic establishment..
Only a fool reforms to much at once...
What a totally shit post!
I stopped reading after you accused him of lacking insight into how society works. We're in what, 2012 and Tim was mainly active in the 60s and 70s.. Boy how things have changed since then!
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15779443 - 02/08/12 01:38 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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When I walk in a room everyone will notice
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15793270 - 02/11/12 02:40 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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For a psychologist he certainly lacked the insight into how society works, how throughout history drastic change pushed like that, especially in that nature, always has a push back with more weight.
Since when does psychological training give you insight into how society works?
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Rhizoid]
#15793358 - 02/11/12 03:08 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Someone else would have spear-headed LSD had the sperm that inseminated Leary's mom landed on a pubic hair instead. I really doubt that he was integral to positively promoting LSD, and agree with the OP that he fucked it up more than anything... a notion further reinforced by the fact that he was a psychologist. It was as if his first trip turned out to be an amazing time, and he reacted like an obsessed child after that, driven by obsession(possibly addiction) more than passion.
My two cents.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15793502 - 02/11/12 03:37 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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And don't forget that Leary's legacy contains so much more than the socio-political crime drama that made him famous in popular culture. He did actually contribute to the study of psychedelic drugs.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Rhizoid]
#15793723 - 02/11/12 04:23 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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It's kind of amusing to me that those who claim making drugs illegal is against our free right to choose would have rather taken the choice away from the individual and put it in the hands of the high priests of psychology.
You can bet only a very few here would have ever gotten hands on it.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15796168 - 02/12/12 02:49 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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It was as if his first trip turned out to be an amazing time, and he reacted like an obsessed child after that, driven by obsession(possibly addiction) more than passion.
Good for him, it wasn't his job to play nice.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: MushroomTrip] 1
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imo even if Leary never came to the forefront of popular culture, lsd would still be illegal. that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: blingbling]
#15796358 - 02/12/12 05:23 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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duh
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15796432 - 02/12/12 06:11 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Just another dopehead who's good with words. I hate kids who look up to whoever looks cool that day..
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Xeny]
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
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Someone else would have spear-headed LSD had the sperm that inseminated Leary's mom landed on a pubic hair instead. I really doubt that he was integral to positively promoting LSD, and agree with the OP that he fucked it up more than anything...
Really? The viewpoint you're espousing here is essentially the idea that individuals have no actual effect on the way reality unfolds, that everything would happen regardless of whether or not a specific individual existed... I hope you realize that this viewpoint is actually incorrect.
Do you think two people have the same charisma, the same force of their personality? Do you think the same roles, the same actions, exist independent of the people who carry them out? 
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It was as if his first trip turned out to be an amazing time, and he reacted like an obsessed child after that, driven by obsession(possibly addiction) more than passion.
You're clearly obsessed with eating because you do it all the damn time. Obviously eating is an obsession for you. Why are you so obsessed with eating?
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lolz point being was that if your mission is to change the world obtaining an $8 mil house shouldn't be your foremost goal
This point of view reeks of garbage. Hold your noses, girls and gals!
Is this some kind of morality, or is it an instruction? If your goal is to "change the world", then you shouldn't place the utmost importance on acquiring an $8 million home.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15796642 - 02/12/12 07:40 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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double duh
I think the point is that taking something, is an individual experience. If a person smoked a cigarette every day and said it made him the happiest person ever, he'd have an experience that couldn't be said would be shared by all. Some would smoke cigarettes and say they give you cancer, others would say the cigarette has no effect on them psychologically at all. Did Timothy Leary get something out of lsd? Certainly
Was he perfect? No one is
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: imachavel]
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"Leary had great hair, and a smile that made the straits wanna punch him in the mouth.. but it was his radical views on love making that made him so attractive to me.. he leaned to the left."
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: blackdogs] 1
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Leary may have gotten us through the Cold War without blowing up the planet. Certainly today's society is more open minded (although it has a long way to go) because of his evangelism.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: JahLive]
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Leary may have gotten us through the Cold War without blowing up the planet.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: blingbling] 1
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It's true, I was going to blow up the planet until he came along and turned me on, tuned me in and dropped me a hit of acid.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15817334 - 02/16/12 05:07 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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your lying through your teeth  i know you would annihilate our planet given the chance.
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Icelander
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: blingbling]
#15817339 - 02/16/12 05:10 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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(you're)
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Vaipen
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15818208 - 02/16/12 10:04 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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For a psychedelic community there sure are a lot of people bashing our hero's. I thought there would be more respect for those with the capacity and fervor to stand up for the plants and the experience they bring.
Instead people seem to feel the need to bash those who entered into the limelight at the expense of great ridicule, negativity and cultural hatred based on the bias against psychoactive substances.
Mostly I bet these people are mere juveniles who have not yet accomplished all that fuckin' much in their lives. The courage a Leary or a Mckenna had in public is hard to take away by posting in a forum though.
Instead of taking their lead and building up on their ideas and convictions there is no unity and therefore there will never be a society that understands what the psychedelic experience is about. McKenna said to look around you to his audiences. "This is your peer group." Yes we are diverse. And we can disagree. But if that diversity is not a sign that the psychedelic experience is worth something, for simply being experienced by such different people, then what is proof of its worth? Celebrate diversity and let's use these people as Leary and McKenna to unify rather than debunking them.
In the meantime I read that the world now lacks a typical figure like Leary or McKenna. Names are mentioned, but there is disagreement as to who is a worthy follow up.
I for one will be forever thankful for their courage and eloquence and devoting their life to something they believe in. The rest of us just go to work or school every day trying to get by in a world that doesn't give a damn.
I wish I could take that torch, but in my shy nature I am not so brave or eloquent or patient and all I regret is that I have never attended a seminar or discuss stuff with any of these guys. At the moment, because of McKenna mostly, I have defended the taking of my preferred substances to my girlfriend, which in itself a brave victory, she accepts it as I explain things to her. Her open mindedness is amazing and inspiring. Without my hero giving permission as he said it himself, to talk about these things, I might have hidden it from her.
And since I started to really try to understand what it is he was saying, I have been more open to people regarding drugs and how society deals with them. In discussions with others i am no longer so scared to explain and defend or just to inform about the use and the effects and what they are for.
McKenna for me has broken that open for me. And so I care little about people condemning Leary and how he went about it. At least he did something in the real world when there was no internet.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Vaipen]
#15819052 - 02/16/12 01:24 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Timothy Leary is not one of my heroes and he doesn't have to be just because i use psychedelics. i have so much more respect for people like kesey and the pranksters, owsley, tim scully and shulgin then i ever will for leary with his huge ego and loud mouth.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: LeeHarvOz]
#15819339 - 02/16/12 02:27 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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He had to have that loud mouth to get your attention.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15822773 - 02/17/12 09:18 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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 This guy's comments seem almost like he's trolling..
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It means I'm going to be great FYI. When I walk in a room everyone will notice. It feels very good for that to be your destiny.
Like wtf is this? Loosen that grip on your ego a bit dude.
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Icelander
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: birdland]
#15823606 - 02/17/12 01:30 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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He's already history.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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dmob12
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15823632 - 02/17/12 01:36 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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OP is wrong in my opinion...
Pretty sure that this is the wrong forum to look for people to agree with you when saying things such as Timothy Leary was a fool.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: dmob12]
#15826744 - 02/18/12 04:52 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Was Leary a Damn fool? yes...
but he was a damned brilliant one, which is the highest of aspirations for any of us fools
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