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 Timothy Leary was a damn fool 
#15773195 - 02/07/12 09:23 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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And the hippie movement was a failure. Who know's what a better place the world would be if he didn't fuck up so badly. For a psychologist he certainly lacked the insight into how society works, how throughout history drastic change pushed like that, especially in that nature, always has a push back with more weight.
For Leary it was Nixon, and the societies embracing of the ways of the past.
For Robespierre and his Jacobins of the French Revolution it was Fouche and Barras and the Bourgeoisie society.
For Cromwell it was the Catholic establishment..
Only a fool reforms to much at once...
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15773356 - 02/07/12 10:05 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:
And the hippie movement was a failure. Who know's what a better place the world would be if he didn't fuck up so badly. For a psychologist he certainly lacked the insight into how society works, how throughout history drastic change pushed like that, especially in that nature, always has a push back with more weight.
For Leary it was Nixon, and the societies embracing of the ways of the past.
For Robespierre and his Jacobins of the French Revolution it was Fouche and Barras and the Bourgeoisie society.
For Cromwell it was the Catholic establishment..
Only a fool reforms to much at once...
I liked Leary a lot. I would likely never have had access to all those many many acid trips if not for him. Guys like him are rare indeed. A great actor on the human stage. I doubt we will ever know how large his contribution to the psychedelicazation of our human experience. Yea Tim 
And what a joke saying he fucked things up. Nobody had to listen to him. You so funny guy what! 
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15773366 - 02/07/12 10:07 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Are you downplaying tempu's contributions to society?
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Are you downplaying tempu's conributions to society?
Leary will look like a pygmy compared to me.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15773472 - 02/07/12 10:37 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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 U so funny guy what.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15773497 - 02/07/12 10:44 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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U so funny guy what.
I'm not kidding. I'm 20 years old and I am only at the beginning of the course I must run. All the things I have done up till now are nothing compared to what my destiny is.
A psychic read my life line and actually told me I would be immensely successful in enterprise and humanitarian ventures, and that I would reach "great heights".
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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I should also mention I have made it a part of my life purpose to buy this house.
It's about 8 mil.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15773516 - 02/07/12 10:50 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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It's a house an Emperor could live in 
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita] 1
#15773598 - 02/07/12 11:11 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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because having a big house has a lot to do with one's impact on the world ... 
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because having a big house has a lot to do with one's impact on the world ...
It's MORE often then not an indicator/result of it...Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington...more often then not. There are a few cases where its not the case, like Alexander Fleming, or Tim Berners-Lee, or Ghandi... But usually people who change the world have big houses.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15773720 - 02/07/12 11:45 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Well at least he painted a map of how not to go about trying to change society, and getting an virtually unknown chemical widely excepted as a medical benefit.
I think he served his purpose though, maybe not in the most positive manner that would of ended up helping LSD be used in clinics, but I do believe he had heart and truly thought what he was doing was going to change everything.
You can't blame a man too much for trying to do the right thing, but ending with adverse consequences.
It was a radical era, and he was expressing the atmosphere of the time through his radical speeches and actions. I think he over shot the grass and landed in the pond.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15773731 - 02/07/12 11:48 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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lolz point being was that if your mission is to change the world obtaining an $8 mil house shouldn't be your foremost goal
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lolz point being was that if your mission is to change the world obtaining an $8 mil house shouldn't be your foremost goal
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I should also mention I have made it a part of my life purpose to buy this house.
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but I do believe he had heart and truly thought what he was doing was going to change everything.
You can't blame a man too much for trying to do the right thing, but ending with adverse consequences.
I have always thought it was the greatest mistake to judge people on their intentions, however noble, then the results of their actions.
I think you can blame someone for trying to do the right thing and failing. That's how the real world works. Rather than turn on the world to LSD, he is exactly the reason why practically no one does LSD, and that it is so hard to find.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15773761 - 02/07/12 11:57 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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He needed someone to steer him in the right direction, because with his passion for what he believed in I think he could of really made the outcome 180 degrees, but either he was too full of himself or someone never told he he is about to derail, and a more logical decision is this one.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: dkmonk]
#15773795 - 02/07/12 12:04 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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He was a hipster.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: dkmonk]
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He needed someone to steer him in the right direction, because with his passion for what he believed in I think he could of really made the outcome 180 degrees, but either he was too full of himself or someone never told he he is about to derail, and a more logical decision is this one.
Its his fault! Plenty of people told him a lot of what he was doing was a bad idea, and he was too pig headed.
Think of all the gains society would have made had he not failed in the responsibility he put on himself. It's all him. A damn failure.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
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Well, that is why I said, "he was either to full of himself or"
I really don't have disdain for the man, nor do I feel compassion for him. I don't think he messed up anything too serious, it isn't like man kind was set back 200 years or anything. I just don't see a reason to resent him, but instead look at hi failure as a lesson on how not to go about doing a certain things.
I understand this is a sensitive topic for you, and you feel that he messed up things monumentally, but I personally don't feel it was that severe and might feel this way due to my ignorance on the subject.
At least we still are able to get it, and he didn't make it go extinct or something.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: tempusvita]
#15773943 - 02/07/12 12:40 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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8 years ago Swami wrote:
Saw the Moody Blues in an outdoor concert in Florida shortly after Leary died. When they started playing "Timothy Leary's Dead" the most spectacular light show ever started, only it was not planned. A thunderstorm a few miles away provided pyrotechnics almost as if choreographed to the music (I was completely sober and straight) complete with different, shimmering colors of "heat" lightning and the occasional thunderbolt. The storm subsided or moved out of range as the song ended.
Everyone commented on the synchronicity; the band, the audience, even the reviewer in the local paper. Some thought it was the spirit of Dr. Leary putting on a performance for us.
As cool as it was, I wonder what it would have been like to have been tripping at the time...
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8 years ago Swami wrote:
Saw the Moody Blues in an outdoor concert in Florida shortly after Leary died. When they started playing "Timothy Leary's Dead" the most spectacular light show ever started, only it was not planned. A thunderstorm a few miles away provided pyrotechnics almost as if choreographed to the music (I was completely sober and straight) complete with different, shimmering colors of "heat" lightning and the occasional thunderbolt. The storm subsided or moved out of range as the song ended.
Everyone commented on the synchronicity; the band, the audience, even the reviewer in the local paper. Some thought it was the spirit of Dr. Leary putting on a performance for us.
As cool as it was, I wonder what it would have been like to have been tripping at the time...
Damn. I bet a huricaine will happen when I die. Or maybe the world will end.
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