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 Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip?
#15769327 - 02/06/12 03:48 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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???
I read lots of trip reports about seeing god. I haven't read any about seeing Jesus Christ or any specific deity. That would be very interesting.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: tempusvita]
#15769340 - 02/06/12 03:52 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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yes.
at least one of the cultures idea of god. i think its ingrained in humans personlly like on a deep level. Also It demends on what. I never quite "followed" any other religions but i still saw vivid images of a psychedelic giant buddah/krishna like thing.
I dont think its guarantedd but it does seem to be a common hallucination among non religious folks as well.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Hologram]
#15769346 - 02/06/12 03:56 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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I'm atheist and when I trip Iget colorful visuals/breathing/flowing. Haven't seen Thor yet...
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: PreparationH]
#15769392 - 02/06/12 04:08 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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i dont believe in ghosts. when i was younger and a little more skeptical i thought i saw one. since i have come to my own conclusion there are no ghosts i havent seen one in any state of mind... as for god i have not "seen" it, but i think i have had somewhat of an experience by NOT seeing anything. just realizing what it is not is a step toward understanding what it is. it is not impressive unless you're sick
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i don't know about "god". that term can be interpreted in a myriad of ways depending on its context. atheists are wired the same as everyone else and are thus capable of having mystical experiences like everyone else. that's all i can say with any certainty.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: millzy]
#15770033 - 02/06/12 05:59 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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I saw satan once ...but that's because i was reading laveys book of satanism at the time. Decent guy to say the least. He just wore a black cloak and couldn't see his face. Unless that was a burgler...
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: King Klick]
#15770557 - 02/06/12 07:29 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Sure, it's possible. The difference is that the faithful will believe it actually was god, whereas atheist will attribute it to the fact that they are tripping.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Samurai Drifter]
#15770565 - 02/06/12 07:30 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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%100 true right their.
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we will soon see "topless" nuns sensually throwing their bodies about to the "Missa Solemnis
Rock"? Satan smiles and says he would like that fine - many nuns are very pretty girls with nice legs." -La Vey- Aka The Black Pope
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 Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: tempusvita] 1
#15770688 - 02/06/12 07:49 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip?
Sure, why not? Atheists see all sorts of irrational things while tripping, just like anyone else. They're on hallucinogenic drugs after all, no?
On my first few trips on psilocybin, I saw God. He was a fat black guy with a thick Jamaican accent and a contagious guffaw. I remember he would do magic tricks and tickle me from across the room by wiggling his finger at me. Then he'd laugh and I'd giggle along.
Of course, once I sobered up and the drug was gone, there was not the slightest trace left of god anywhere even though I looked for him. 
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Diploid]
#15771021 - 02/06/12 08:50 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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if i had to chose i would say that i am an atheist. i've never seen what i think would be god on a trip but i have seen some crazy shit like snakes, fairies, dragons, goblins, a wall of eyes like in an alex grey painting and countless other weird and wonderful things. the most intense of them all was when i saw a giant metal warrior angel that flew right within a few inches of my face. i don't really believe that it was an angel but that experience remains strong in my memory to this day.
i just remembered that as a child i did experience something that at the time i could only describe as god but after thinking about it for a while i decided it probably wasn't. it was pretty intense though. the sky literally opened up and i had this feeling of some kind of light that shone right through me. i was a bit of a weird kid 
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: blingbling]
#15772796 - 02/07/12 07:46 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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I would say I doubt they will see God, but feeling god would be more likely in my experience.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: dkmonk] 1
#15772833 - 02/07/12 07:56 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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According to Stanislav Grof strong atheists in his LSD session were the most likely group to take up metaphysical superstitions on a trip. Strongly religious folks were the most likely to encounter existence as meaningless. My interpretation is that both groups hold strong beliefs about reality for similar reasons.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Grapefruit]
#15773404 - 02/07/12 10:17 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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According to Stanislav Grof strong atheists in his LSD session were the most likely group to take up metaphysical superstitions on a trip. Strongly religious folks were the most likely to encounter existence as meaningless. My interpretation is that both groups hold strong beliefs about reality for similar reasons.
That is very interesting. I was wouldn't call myself religious at the time I had my "big" psylocybin trips but I was definitely was open minded about religion and always took God to be a real possibility. Although at the time I was strictly agnostic.
My last in most intense trip was with a friend from UNI with no religious back round and who didn't seriously speculate God to exist. I was overwhelmed with apathy and meaninglessness and a sense that my past had absolutely no value to my identity. My friend didn't really experience this side of the trip, certainly not like I did. He didn't say he felt God though either but he did take it as a spiritual experience.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: soldatheero]
#15773454 - 02/07/12 10:32 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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What helped set in motion my views, was on a high dose of mushrooms I went into a trance like slumber and the longer I stayed the further in my head I went. I eventually got this crazy feeling, and felt I knew everything. I really genuinelly knew anything that there is to be known, because I came from the universe and you can know anything that happens in it if you are created from it, and I realized I was god, and I had transcended from my self, and left my identity as Kyle behind and was god now. I was thinking about how I would miss Kyle's personality and his body, but I knew Kyle would still be there, I just didn't get to experience him in anymore. I had a lot of empathy for Kyle and realized how good of a person he is, and was wishing him good look on his earthly journeys, but my conscious or whatever part that transcended to something higher was leaving, and then I got upset and said I don't want to leave Kyle I love him, and I truly loved everything, because it was all created from me, and was therefore a part of me. This higher state of mind really didn't want to leave the vessel of Kyle, and was debating with some other beings that it had to stay, and ensure Kyle's safety and felt obligated to him, so it could watch over. It didn't want to go back where this higher state of mind comes from, it was like I opened a puzzle and a part of this conscientiousness now was set free, but didn't want to leave.
I was so convinced that I had this supreme being in me that I almost woke my grandma up to tell her the good news, and how this I unlocked this special part of me, and how proud I was to figure this all out in the basement on how to know everything and be connected with the Universe.
Needless to say it was a pretty significant trip. Things in my room started disappearing like my T.V. would vanish and other things would transform.
I have taken more mushrooms after that at a higher dose and never got that lull trance like state that I did there, and before I went into that trance I wasn't even tripping that hard, I was completely in control and not confused but after I went into the trance it was like it times it by ten.
Awesome experience though.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: tempusvita]
#15774082 - 02/07/12 01:12 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:
???
I read lots of trip reports about seeing god. I haven't read any about seeing Jesus Christ or any specific deity. That would be very interesting.
I 'found' Jesus on a trip. Its a long story, I have posted it somewhere previously.
I find that such an experience does not convince me of any particular definition or conclusion about what what is.
It seems to just flush me out of any hard corners I put myself in. So rather than walking away with more conclusions, I walk away with less conclusions.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Desert Elf]
#15774154 - 02/07/12 01:30 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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How would we know when we saw Jesus when nobody is for sure what he looks like?
I do see vivid random faces of people that I can't ever remember seeing before, and they are sometimes Asian for some reason. I tried to make mental images of people I knew appear by thinking of all their specific facial details, and couldn't.
It is like a black and white picture of a face that is like a photograph at the bottom of a vortex type deal.
It was interesting, and happened to me a few times. I am not suggesting they are dead or anything, but just merely saying I see vivid realistic faces sometimes of people I can't recall. I have no theory on why they appear.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: dkmonk]
#15774300 - 02/07/12 01:58 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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How would we know when we saw Jesus when nobody is for sure what he looks like?
Perhaps Jesus is not one man, but a concept.
When I say I 'found' Jesus. it was not like meeting the character from my early imagination, rather, it was like realising that character simply represents a family of people who share a mindset. There is something to be said for large support groups, even if their work goes unnoticed most the time.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Desert Elf]
#15774321 - 02/07/12 02:02 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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So, you felt the (presence,spirit,energy) that gave you the feeling it was the embodiment of Christ's teachings?
I find that interesting if that is the case, or maybe I am misunderstanding what you are telling me.
If I am right, what exactly did you feel?
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: dkmonk]
#15774396 - 02/07/12 02:16 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Desert Elf]
#15774484 - 02/07/12 02:34 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Wow, that is awesome and the story helps solidify some of my theories and beliefs too. Glad to of read your experience.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: tempusvita]
#15774517 - 02/07/12 02:41 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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I read lots of trip reports about seeing god. I haven't read any about seeing Jesus Christ or any specific deity. That would be very interesting.
I saw yeti and ganesh. Both really nice.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: King Klick]
#15774539 - 02/07/12 02:44 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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I saw satan once ...but that's because i was reading laveys book of satanism at the time. Decent guy to say the least. He just wore a black cloak and couldn't see his face. Unless that was a burgler...
i dont think that was satan, bro. sounds like a shadow person.
i saw glimpses of em during my first and last roll. fuck those guys.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15774549 - 02/07/12 02:46 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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You do realize you can't know better that him what was in his own imagination, right?
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#15774645 - 02/07/12 03:09 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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well, yeah, but a lot of people see shadow people and his description seemed consistent with what i have read/briefly experienced.
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Night is falling. The world’s night is spreading its darkness, by the ‘default of God.’ Not only have the gods and the god fled, but the divine radiance has become extinguished in the world’s history. It has already grown so destitute, it can no longer discern the default of God as a default. Because of this default, there fails to appear for the world the ground that grounds it. The age for which the ground fails to come hangs in the abyss. Assuming that a turn still remains open for this destitute time at all, it can come some day only if the world turns about fundamentally—and that now means, unequivocally. But for this it is necessary that there be those who reach into the abyss. — Martin Heidigger, “What Are Poets For?”
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15774680 - 02/07/12 03:17 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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The shadow people. I am glad others experience them when tripping. I just named them the mushroom spirits, and they are very fun to watch. They dance, clap, make ghost faces, strong man muscle poses, and even weird toy like alien poses.
It is like they are a collection of characters, and you can tell their personality. I liked the ones that would joke, and make scream like scary faces at me trying to be mischevious.
They are delightfully welcome when they show up during trips. They make me laugh so much from all their antics. My thoughts change how they act too, when I have love thoughts they dance and cheer like they approve of these thoughts.
It is like my brains personality came to life and is acting my thoughts out on the ceiling.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15778039 - 02/08/12 06:55 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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well, yeah, but a lot of people see shadow people and his description seemed consistent with what i have read/briefly experienced.
You talk as if you know what you're talking about.
Last time I checked, "shadow people" were just imaginary.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#15778239 - 02/08/12 08:21 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Just like a "god."
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Society]
#15782808 - 02/09/12 07:58 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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are imaginary things not real?
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Night is falling. The world’s night is spreading its darkness, by the ‘default of God.’ Not only have the gods and the god fled, but the divine radiance has become extinguished in the world’s history. It has already grown so destitute, it can no longer discern the default of God as a default. Because of this default, there fails to appear for the world the ground that grounds it. The age for which the ground fails to come hangs in the abyss. Assuming that a turn still remains open for this destitute time at all, it can come some day only if the world turns about fundamentally—and that now means, unequivocally. But for this it is necessary that there be those who reach into the abyss. — Martin Heidigger, “What Are Poets For?”
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15782878 - 02/09/12 08:23 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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This thread and some of the replies make little sense to me. If you're an atheist, lacking a belief in any gods, why would you interpret the hallucinations you have in a psychedelic experience as "god?" Are you tripping so hard that you suddenly entertain god concepts with philosophical or scientific legitimacy? Just delusional because you're on drugs?
I'm not trying to belittle anyone- this is a genuine question.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Society]
#15783100 - 02/09/12 09:27 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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If you're an atheist, lacking a belief in any gods, why would you interpret the hallucinations you have in a psychedelic experience as "god?"
Because you're fucked up on a drug. I don't believe in Fairy Pixies either, but when I'm sufficiently fucked up, I see them standing on the walls and the ceiling. Sometimes they ride on the ceiling fan. They even wave at me and I wave back.
That's why they call it "getting fucked up".
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Diploid]
#15783123 - 02/09/12 09:31 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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I should clarify that i saw a "god" and not "god".
thats how i interpreted the question as well.
I saw a religious icon i guess you could say and this is a pretty common occurance from what i hear.
I also should add that this was on DMT.
On shrooms i have actually seen "GOD" i believe although i didnt see an image. it just felt like the sky was staring back into me and covering me with a sense of calm that my mind could only interpret as me feeling gods love.
but yea as far as the literal hallucinations i believe they are more common on dmt.
I guess it would be cool if OP would clarify what "trip" he was referring too. given the site i will assume he meant shrooms.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Diploid]
#15783271 - 02/09/12 10:11 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Unless you're speaking metaphorically, I find it ironic for an atheist to define the hallucinations/delirium as "god." Defining your hallucinations, delusions, etc. as "god" or a deity just sounds like a lazy way of explaining the experience by using a convenient lens of the cultural context.
I see all kinds of bizarre shit when I'm on drugs, but I generally don't find myself defining the hallucinations/cognitions/etc. with supernatural lingo (gods, devils, fairies, etc.). The only purpose of saying "I hallucinated a unicorn on the wall" would simply be to convey to someone else that I saw something similar to the popular image of the horse with a horn. Based on my assumption that they had seen one in artwork. Is this what you're talking about? I find it difficult to draw a similar comparison to a "god." Particularly since the god concept is subject to such an overwhelming array of interpretations.
It probably sounds like I'm just arguing semantics. But, as I said, I find it ironic to be an atheist and have hallucinations that would be interpreted as "god"- even after the drug has worn off.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Society]
#15783277 - 02/09/12 10:13 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Society said:
Unless you're speaking metaphorically, I find it ironic for an atheist to define the hallucinations/delirium as "god." Defining your hallucinations, delusions, etc. as "god" or a deity just sounds like a lazy way of explaining the experience by using a convenient lens of the cultural context.
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Well i could have said buddah or krishna instead. it was a definate hallucination of one or two cultures idea of "god"
whats lazy about that?
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: tempusvita]
#15793414 - 02/11/12 03:19 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:I read lots of trip reports about seeing god. I haven't read any about seeing Jesus Christ or any specific deity. That would be very interesting.
I have met Jehovah/Ishvara as well as Jesus Christ and various aspects of Buddha in some of my trips. I even met a couple of deities concerned with weather and sexual reproduction on a few occasions. The only lesson I've learned from these encounters is that monotheism is a truly bizarre idea.
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