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 Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip?  [Re: tempusvita]
#15774517 - 02/07/12 02:41 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:
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I read lots of trip reports about seeing god. I haven't read any about seeing Jesus Christ or any specific deity. That would be very interesting.
I saw yeti and ganesh. Both really nice.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: King Klick]
#15774539 - 02/07/12 02:44 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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I saw satan once ...but that's because i was reading laveys book of satanism at the time. Decent guy to say the least. He just wore a black cloak and couldn't see his face. Unless that was a burgler...
i dont think that was satan, bro. sounds like a shadow person.
i saw glimpses of em during my first and last roll. fuck those guys.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15774549 - 02/07/12 02:46 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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You do realize you can't know better that him what was in his own imagination, right? 
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#15774645 - 02/07/12 03:09 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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well, yeah, but a lot of people see shadow people and his description seemed consistent with what i have read/briefly experienced.
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Night is falling. The world’s night is spreading its darkness, by the ‘default of God.’ Not only have the gods and the god fled, but the divine radiance has become extinguished in the world’s history. It has already grown so destitute, it can no longer discern the default of God as a default. Because of this default, there fails to appear for the world the ground that grounds it. The age for which the ground fails to come hangs in the abyss. Assuming that a turn still remains open for this destitute time at all, it can come some day only if the world turns about fundamentally—and that now means, unequivocally. But for this it is necessary that there be those who reach into the abyss. — Martin Heidigger, “What Are Poets For?”
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15774680 - 02/07/12 03:17 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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The shadow people. I am glad others experience them when tripping. I just named them the mushroom spirits, and they are very fun to watch. They dance, clap, make ghost faces, strong man muscle poses, and even weird toy like alien poses.
It is like they are a collection of characters, and you can tell their personality. I liked the ones that would joke, and make scream like scary faces at me trying to be mischevious.
They are delightfully welcome when they show up during trips. They make me laugh so much from all their antics. My thoughts change how they act too, when I have love thoughts they dance and cheer like they approve of these thoughts.
It is like my brains personality came to life and is acting my thoughts out on the ceiling.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15778039 - 02/08/12 06:55 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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thefloodbehind said:
well, yeah, but a lot of people see shadow people and his description seemed consistent with what i have read/briefly experienced.
You talk as if you know what you're talking about.
Last time I checked, "shadow people" were just imaginary.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#15778239 - 02/08/12 08:21 AM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Just like a "god."
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Society]
#15782808 - 02/09/12 07:58 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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are imaginary things not real?
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Night is falling. The world’s night is spreading its darkness, by the ‘default of God.’ Not only have the gods and the god fled, but the divine radiance has become extinguished in the world’s history. It has already grown so destitute, it can no longer discern the default of God as a default. Because of this default, there fails to appear for the world the ground that grounds it. The age for which the ground fails to come hangs in the abyss. Assuming that a turn still remains open for this destitute time at all, it can come some day only if the world turns about fundamentally—and that now means, unequivocally. But for this it is necessary that there be those who reach into the abyss. — Martin Heidigger, “What Are Poets For?”
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15782878 - 02/09/12 08:23 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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This thread and some of the replies make little sense to me. If you're an atheist, lacking a belief in any gods, why would you interpret the hallucinations you have in a psychedelic experience as "god?" Are you tripping so hard that you suddenly entertain god concepts with philosophical or scientific legitimacy? Just delusional because you're on drugs?
I'm not trying to belittle anyone- this is a genuine question.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Society]
#15783100 - 02/09/12 09:27 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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If you're an atheist, lacking a belief in any gods, why would you interpret the hallucinations you have in a psychedelic experience as "god?"
Because you're fucked up on a drug. I don't believe in Fairy Pixies either, but when I'm sufficiently fucked up, I see them standing on the walls and the ceiling. Sometimes they ride on the ceiling fan. They even wave at me and I wave back.
That's why they call it "getting fucked up".
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Diploid]
#15783123 - 02/09/12 09:31 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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I should clarify that i saw a "god" and not "god".
thats how i interpreted the question as well.
I saw a religious icon i guess you could say and this is a pretty common occurance from what i hear.
I also should add that this was on DMT.
On shrooms i have actually seen "GOD" i believe although i didnt see an image. it just felt like the sky was staring back into me and covering me with a sense of calm that my mind could only interpret as me feeling gods love.
but yea as far as the literal hallucinations i believe they are more common on dmt.
I guess it would be cool if OP would clarify what "trip" he was referring too. given the site i will assume he meant shrooms.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Diploid]
#15783271 - 02/09/12 10:11 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Unless you're speaking metaphorically, I find it ironic for an atheist to define the hallucinations/delirium as "god." Defining your hallucinations, delusions, etc. as "god" or a deity just sounds like a lazy way of explaining the experience by using a convenient lens of the cultural context.
I see all kinds of bizarre shit when I'm on drugs, but I generally don't find myself defining the hallucinations/cognitions/etc. with supernatural lingo (gods, devils, fairies, etc.). The only purpose of saying "I hallucinated a unicorn on the wall" would simply be to convey to someone else that I saw something similar to the popular image of the horse with a horn. Based on my assumption that they had seen one in artwork. Is this what you're talking about? I find it difficult to draw a similar comparison to a "god." Particularly since the god concept is subject to such an overwhelming array of interpretations.
It probably sounds like I'm just arguing semantics. But, as I said, I find it ironic to be an atheist and have hallucinations that would be interpreted as "god"- even after the drug has worn off.
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: Society]
#15783277 - 02/09/12 10:13 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Society said:
Unless you're speaking metaphorically, I find it ironic for an atheist to define the hallucinations/delirium as "god." Defining your hallucinations, delusions, etc. as "god" or a deity just sounds like a lazy way of explaining the experience by using a convenient lens of the cultural context.
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Well i could have said buddah or krishna instead. it was a definate hallucination of one or two cultures idea of "god" 
whats lazy about that?
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Re: Will an atheist see God on a Psychedelic trip? [Re: tempusvita]
#15793414 - 02/11/12 03:19 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:I read lots of trip reports about seeing god. I haven't read any about seeing Jesus Christ or any specific deity. That would be very interesting.
I have met Jehovah/Ishvara as well as Jesus Christ and various aspects of Buddha in some of my trips. I even met a couple of deities concerned with weather and sexual reproduction on a few occasions. The only lesson I've learned from these encounters is that monotheism is a truly bizarre idea.
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