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 Icelander
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 Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: blingbling]
#15759321 - 02/04/12 07:09 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I disagree. The psychedelic experience is no bullshit. It's just not what it's hyped to be.
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 Luueschen
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: blingbling]
#15760435 - 02/04/12 01:03 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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haven't you heard that the man who discovered the double helix was dosing himself with LSD to increase his brain power?
ego death is fun and terrifying and if more people tried it we'd all get along a lot better
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Luueschen]
#15760443 - 02/04/12 01:06 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Breaks down the walls and tears down your high horse. Makes you a better person i guess.
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now socially acceptable to gaze upon, which are revealed by young nuns as they walk about
in their shortened habits. What a delightful step in the right (or left) direction! Is it possible
we will soon see "topless" nuns sensually throwing their bodies about to the "Missa Solemnis
Rock"? Satan smiles and says he would like that fine - many nuns are very pretty girls with nice legs." -La Vey- Aka The Black Pope
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Luueschen]
#15760535 - 02/04/12 01:28 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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haven't you heard that the man who discovered the double helix was dosing himself with LSD to increase his brain power?
So his 12 years of school and and a decade of research played no part?
What amazing discovery to benefit all of mankind came to you while tripping?
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King Klick
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The making me happy making another person happy because i'm happy domino effect?
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"It is the "Devil" who caused women to show their legs, to titillate men - the same kind of legs,
now socially acceptable to gaze upon, which are revealed by young nuns as they walk about
in their shortened habits. What a delightful step in the right (or left) direction! Is it possible
we will soon see "topless" nuns sensually throwing their bodies about to the "Missa Solemnis
Rock"? Satan smiles and says he would like that fine - many nuns are very pretty girls with nice legs." -La Vey- Aka The Black Pope
-Selling Old Comis http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16286470
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: King Klick]
#15760913 - 02/04/12 02:55 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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I always find people who believe themselves to have no ego, tend to have the biggest ego's of all. It is not possible to not have an ego, only to limit it. In my opinion claiming to be enlightened is massive amount of fuel for ones ego. I also tend to notice psycadelic users have some of the biggest egos around 'i.e I hate consumerism, I am pro environment etc.' These are all constructions of ones egos, the need to project these ideas to everyone else is a magnification of that ego far greater than the common consumerist societial based humanoid.
I also believe anyone who takes any position of public importance requires an ego, otherwise people would have nothing to follow. In my personal opinion, the problem is that hippy and new age people believe the ego to be a bad thing, when it is just a part of human existence.
If one were to ever truely loose their ego, you would never know, because claiming to have no ego would only be a statement to pad the ego they apparently do not have.
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Jwlst]
#15761272 - 02/04/12 04:29 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Jwlst said:
I always find people who believe themselves to have no ego, tend to have the biggest ego's of all. It is not possible to not have an ego, only to limit it. In my opinion claiming to be enlightened is massive amount of fuel for ones ego. I also tend to notice psycadelic users have some of the biggest egos around 'i.e I hate consumerism, I am pro environment etc.' These are all constructions of ones egos, the need to project these ideas to everyone else is a magnification of that ego far greater than the common consumerist societial based humanoid.
I also believe anyone who takes any position of public importance requires an ego, otherwise people would have nothing to follow. In my personal opinion, the problem is that hippy and new age people believe the ego to be a bad thing, when it is just a part of human existence.
If one were to ever truely loose their ego, you would never know, because claiming to have no ego would only be a statement to pad the ego they apparently do not have.
I agree, the more and more I read, the more I agree with this ^
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In my personal opinion, the problem is that hippy and new age people believe the ego to be a bad thing, when it is just a part of human existence.
Especially this. I think its important to have a HEALTHY ego.
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Edited by tempusvita (02/04/12 04:31 PM)
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15761335 - 02/04/12 04:41 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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When the ego(thoughts) subside into the feeling of being, there is peace and spontaneous happiness. It is rest, conscious sleep, better than unconscious sleep. When the thoughts return they will be clearer and as there will be no individual problems there will be no qualms, only peace.
---What amazing discovery to benefit all of mankind came to you while tripping
I had a discovery that the purpose of life is to Love, every person that re-discovers this and acts on it helps all of mankind. This is far more important than the latest scientific discoveries, it actually brings happiness. It's the mind that seeks discoveries, which can be interesting, but the natural state of feeling is far superior, and brings the world greater happiness.
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15761356 - 02/04/12 04:46 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Luueschen said:
haven't you heard that the man who discovered the double helix was dosing himself with LSD to increase his brain power?
ego death is fun and terrifying and if more people tried it we'd all get along a lot better
go hit a sheet of acid and tell me how much extra brain power you have.
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Icelander said:
I disagree. The psychedelic experience is no bullshit. It's just not what it's hyped to be.
i agree but i think this place is so full of hype that it's worth calling psychedelics bullshit just to even the keel.
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15762924 - 02/05/12 12:23 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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I'm kinda put off by the whole thing. Like, we are social animals. We live in a society that exists on relationships. Most people are not "enlightened" and haven't taken psychedelics. Most people have egos. They judge others on their egos.
To be a participate, you need a rather successful ego no? I mean most people probably can't empathize with "enlightened" people. They will just look at you like  ??? "No ambition? No Success? Man this guy is not good breeding material. I'll find someone else! I don't want to hang around with this guy, bad influence?"
My ambition is pretty important to me. I have tripped (low/moderate dose) twice and it emerged unscathed. I'm not materialistic, if anything I have a deep seated hatred to anything my inutition tells me is superficial. And yet, I still feel money is so important to have. That accomplishments in life bring a lot of value, even if they do cause a lot of distress.
I want a conversation! Maybe I am wrong.
In the words of terrance mckenna the ego is like a cyst a percales tumor that grows and grows in the absence of hallucinogenics.And you have to ask yourself do you want your ego to block your view of wrong things in your life and parts that need improvement, if we have to much ego sometimes we ignore our faults
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I think Napoleon Bonaparte was the greatest man who has ever lived, followed by Julius Caesar and Howard Hughes.
They all had egos!
I mean you have to have an ego to make yourself Emperor of the French, Dictator perpetuo, or have the "fastest airplanes, make the best movies and be the richest man in the world"
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Icelander
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15763702 - 02/05/12 08:44 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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How could a short little undersized fart with delusions of grander be the greatest man who ever lived?
Plus he kept his hand in his shirt instead of his shorts where it belonged.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15763743 - 02/05/12 09:01 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
How could a short little undersized fart with delusions of grander be the greatest man who ever lived?
Plus he kept his hand in his shirt instead of his shorts where it belonged.
An ignorant person can criticize anything. You have never read about him in depth.
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Edited by tempusvita (02/05/12 09:01 AM)
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Icelander
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15763753 - 02/05/12 09:04 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15763786 - 02/05/12 09:15 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?
What a fucking stupid statement. I'm not basing my judgement off of things I know about him personally because obviously I did not know him personally and I don't need to for the sort of judgement I'm passing. I don't know Maria Teresa personally but I can still think she is a great woman by her actions that I know. I don't know Ghandi personally but I think he is a great man for his strong ethics that I do know about. What a stupid, retarded statement. If you took your argument to the extreme you could say that about any judgement about anyone!
"Gee Hitler was a bad guy"
Icelander "NO NO NO DID YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY?! DID YOU READ HIZ THOUGHTZ LOLOLOL?! DID YOU KNOW HIM WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD?!?!? WERE YOU WITH HIM WHEN HE TOOK SHITS?!?!"
What fucking idiotic statement
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Edited by tempusvita (02/05/12 09:17 AM)
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haven't you heard that the man who discovered the double helix was dosing himself with LSD to increase his brain power?
So his 12 years of school and and a decade of research played no part?
What amazing discovery to benefit all of mankind came to you while tripping?
It is true that Francis Crick discovered the Double Helix structure, or rather, he saw it in his mind's eye when under the influence of LSD.
"Francis Crick, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago."
"Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize."
http://www.hallucinogens.com/lsd/francis-crick.html
I don't like the terminology 'brain power' by any means-In my opinion, there is no increase in 'brain power'- although, I would say that it can allow you to utilize your brain power in different and unique manners- resulting in increased creativity, inspiration, 'moments of clarity', etc.
I do not think he was alleging that Crick's education, research and intelligence played no part- of course it did..I think it was more like LSD helped him use these tools better...you can read Crick's account he certainly seemed to think it played a large role in his most important discovery.
Back on topic- SeriouslySpaced- I've heard McKenna's views on ego suppression (as opposed to ego 'death')..and I totally agree, although I had never heard that analogy- excellent example
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Icelander
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15764396 - 02/05/12 12:31 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?
What a fucking stupid statement. I'm not basing my judgement off of things I know about him personally because obviously I did not know him personally and I don't need to for the sort of judgement I'm passing. I don't know Maria Teresa personally but I can still think she is a great woman by her actions that I know. I don't know Ghandi personally but I think he is a great man for his strong ethics that I do know about. What a stupid, retarded statement. If you took your argument to the extreme you could say that about any judgement about anyone!
"Gee Hitler was a bad guy"
Icelander "NO NO NO DID YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY?! DID YOU READ HIZ THOUGHTZ LOLOLOL?! DID YOU KNOW HIM WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD?!?!? WERE YOU WITH HIM WHEN HE TOOK SHITS?!?!"
What fucking idiotic statement
Do you get some emotional benefit from coming apart at the seems anytime anyone disagrees with something you say?
Face facts. We cannot really know the quality of another to any real extent without personal and usually long term interaction with them. I suppose you believe that jesus said all those things attributed to him in the bible. And Mother T. doesn't come off very well with many people who make some pretty good points if true. But there really is no way to know. It's all guessing.
Carry on and keep 
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
Edited by Icelander (02/05/12 12:32 PM)
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15764734 - 02/05/12 02:13 PM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
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tempusvita said:
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Icelander said:
An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?
What a fucking stupid statement. I'm not basing my judgement off of things I know about him personally because obviously I did not know him personally and I don't need to for the sort of judgement I'm passing. I don't know Maria Teresa personally but I can still think she is a great woman by her actions that I know. I don't know Ghandi personally but I think he is a great man for his strong ethics that I do know about. What a stupid, retarded statement. If you took your argument to the extreme you could say that about any judgement about anyone!
"Gee Hitler was a bad guy"
Icelander "NO NO NO DID YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY?! DID YOU READ HIZ THOUGHTZ LOLOLOL?! DID YOU KNOW HIM WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD?!?!? WERE YOU WITH HIM WHEN HE TOOK SHITS?!?!"
What fucking idiotic statement
Do you get some emotional benefit from coming apart at the seems anytime anyone disagrees with something you say?
Face facts. We cannot really know the quality of another to any real extent without personal and usually long term interaction with them. I suppose you believe that jesus said all those things attributed to him in the bible. And Mother T. doesn't come off very well with many people who make some pretty good points if true. But there really is no way to know. It's all guessing.
Carry on and keep
Correction. You have to read the minds of someone from birth till death to REALLY know their quality. Right? I mean if we are drawing the lines at extremes why not go all the way.
I mean throw the verdict out on Hitler, forget his observable actions.
Like, how can we throw murderers in jail if we haven't even had "personal and usually long term interaction with them" ?!?!?!?
Who are we to say child molestors are bad people if we haven't had deep and long conversations about them over the course of several years!!?!?!
You say so much stupid shit, and I am fucking appalled someone can actually spell and come up with the retarded shit you say. Honestly. It took me five minutes with my draw dropped to actually understand the depth of stupidity in your post. Jesus christ. My 8 year old brother can display better critical thinking abilities. Holy fuck.
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Edited by tempusvita (02/05/12 02:16 PM)
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15764756 - 02/05/12 02:20 PM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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Btw, what is a "draw dropped" It took me five minutes with my draw dropped
And swearing so much is not a good reflection on your emotional self control which you seem not to have much of at all. A chill pill would do you some good. 
But at least we now agree that you really can't know another even a little bit unless you spend some real time hanging out with them. What one reads in a book may or may not reflect reality. Like that Jesus thing I mentioned. He might not have done or said any of that stuff. Of course someone like you might believe it just because it's in a book and some priest agrees. 
Carry on dude.
Edited by Icelander (02/05/12 02:22 PM)
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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15764796 - 02/05/12 02:31 PM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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nd swearing so much is not a good reflection on your emotional self control which you seem not to have much of at all. A chill pill would do you some good.
And I'd give a shit why?
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But at least we now agree that you really can't know another even a little bit unless you spend some real time hanging out with them.
I disagree completely. You can't really know someone even if you spend 50 years with them. That's ridiculous. Someone can spend years with themselves and not even know themselves.
Your saying I am making a WILD guess when I say Hitler was a bad dude, because I didn't know him.
I don't actually have to know someone who murdered millions of innocent people to say he is a bad dude. I can just look at the fact that he murdered millions of innocent people.
It wouldn't be a wild guess.
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What one reads in a book may or may not reflect reality. Like that Jesus thing I mentioned. He might not have done any of that stuff.
Yes, because the Bible is entirely the same as a well written, earnest, historical biography done with primary sources  . I am not saying a biography is 100% accurate. It is probably 80% - 50% accurate. But you can make evaluations to a limited degree with that 50%.
Nobody knows what Napoleon felt on the eve of Austerlitz, but the general scheme of the battle is historical fact.
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Edited by tempusvita (02/05/12 02:32 PM)
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