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 blingbling
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 Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism
#15758838 - 02/04/12 01:25 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Misanthropy is generalized dislike, distrust, disgust, contempt or hatred of the human species or human nature. A misanthrope, or misanthropist is someone who holds such views or feelings. - wiki
Anthropocentrism describes the tendency for human beings to regard themselves as the central and most significant entities in the universe, or the assessment of reality through an exclusively human perspective. - wiki
which do you prefer?
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15758844 - 02/04/12 01:30 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I am pretty misanthropic. I don't prefer it, but it and wish people weren't the way they were.
I am disgusted with all the evil deeds we do, and realize it will always be this way until we are extinguished. I get disgusted at myself for have bad thoughts come in my head.
People are evil, and there is no way to get around it.
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blingbling
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: dkmonk]
#15758958 - 02/04/12 02:51 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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that's a nice grow you've got in your sig. if you do a second grow trying casing rye. you'll get way more shrooms 
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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 Icelander
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15759134 - 02/04/12 05:00 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I'm down with number one with number two biting at it's heels. 
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: Icelander]
#15759332 - 02/04/12 07:13 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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"Whatever misanthropists may say, ingrates and the perverse are exceptions in the human species."
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: tempusvita]
#15759458 - 02/04/12 08:16 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Surely the evidence backs this up. 
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: Icelander]
#15761310 - 02/04/12 04:37 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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i honestly believe that if you see people for what they are it is impossible to be Anthropocentric. with that being said i think that most people who are truly misanthropic are simply trying to rationalize their social isolation and any number of mental disorders by claiming everyone is as perverse as they believe they are.
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15761394 - 02/04/12 04:57 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Well, at least you "honestly" believe it, even if you're wrong. 
Give it a few more years.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
Edited by Icelander (02/04/12 04:57 PM)
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: Icelander]
#15761403 - 02/04/12 04:59 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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why am i wrong?
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15761414 - 02/04/12 05:01 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Cause you only know how it is for you. Isn't this basic?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: Icelander]
#15761486 - 02/04/12 05:17 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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i stand by my claim that if you see people for what they are it is impossible to be Anthropocentric.
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15761516 - 02/04/12 05:27 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Misanthropy is a slightly negative view, rather than being disgusted by us because of our faults, why not try to understand and relate to us ?
I can't hold a grudge very long, my mother (rest her soul) would say that I hadn't inherited her angry gene, and I find it impossible to maintain a prolonged rage.
It may be the reason I try to look for aspects of my self in others, or aspects of my loved ones, this helps me relate and empathize with others, even when I disagree with their actions or motives.
The last couple of years I've had this sort of empathetic imbalance that means I well up with tears just watching a stupid soap opera, along with other scenarios. This also means I'm more likely to blame myself for any discord before I'll blame another.
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15761531 - 02/04/12 05:29 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
blingbling said:
i stand by my claim that if you see people for what they are it is impossible to be Anthropocentric.
This misanthropic are simply trying to rationalize their social isolation and any number of mental disorders by claiming everyone is as perverse as they believe they are.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15761534 - 02/04/12 05:31 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
blingbling said:
i stand by my claim that if you see people for what they are it is impossible to be Anthropocentric.
and what are are people that makes this impossible?
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: tribesman]
#15761537 - 02/04/12 05:31 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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rather than being disgusted by us because of our faults, why not try to understand and relate to us ?
are you talking to me or dkmonk?
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15761577 - 02/04/12 05:42 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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@ blingbling, just my opinion.
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: Kickle]
#15761588 - 02/04/12 05:45 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
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blingbling said:
i stand by my claim that if you see people for what they are it is impossible to be Anthropocentric.
This misanthropic are simply trying to rationalize their social isolation and any number of mental disorders by claiming everyone is as perverse as they believe they are.
basically i've been going off the assumption that depressed people make up stories to give their depression meaning in order to deal with their problem but instead mystify their depression which is actually just a different mix of neurotransmitters and is not meaningful at all. misanthropes do the same thing only they try to make meaning out of other people rather than face the fact that social isolation has caused them to become jaded.
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Kickle said:
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blingbling said:
i stand by my claim that if you see people for what they are it is impossible to be Anthropocentric.
and what are are people that makes this impossible?
here is a nice quote which answers your question and illustrates my point:
"If the Eiffel Tower were now representing the world's age, the skin of paint on the pinnacle-knob at its summit would represent man's share of that age; and anybody would perceive that that skin was what the tower was built for. I reckon they would. I dunno." Mark Twain
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15761636 - 02/04/12 05:56 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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We're still confined to see things from an exclusively human perspective. That quote itself is an assessment from an exclusively human perspective. As is this post and every post I can make. Part and parcel of being a human. IMO everyone is anthropocentric no matter what they are seeing or saying.
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: blingbling]
#15761643 - 02/04/12 05:59 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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basically i've been going off the assumption that depressed people make up stories to give their depression meaning in order to deal with their problem but instead mystify their depression which is actually just a different mix of neurotransmitters and is not meaningful at all. misanthropes do the same thing only they try to make meaning out of other people rather than face the fact that social isolation has caused them to become jaded.
would you say Diploid is a jaded nut?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Misanthropy vs Anthropocentrism [Re: Icelander]
#15761677 - 02/04/12 06:08 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
Kickle said:
We're still confined to see things from an exclusively human perspective. That quote itself is an assessment from an exclusively human perspective. As is this post and every post I can make. Part and parcel of being a human. IMO everyone is anthropocentric no matter what they are seeing or saying.
that's a good point but i still maintain there is a difference between anthropocentrism and being human. not all humans believe that humanity is the center of the universe.
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Icelander said:
basically i've been going off the assumption that depressed people make up stories to give their depression meaning in order to deal with their problem but instead mystify their depression which is actually just a different mix of neurotransmitters and is not meaningful at all. misanthropes do the same thing only they try to make meaning out of other people rather than face the fact that social isolation has caused them to become jaded.
would you say Diploid is a jaded nut?
i wouldn't say diploid is a nut. if diploid is truly misanthropic then imo he is jaded.
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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