Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!
|
 trophycase
Dickface
Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 924
Last seen: 2 days, 15 hours
|
 Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D 
#15747920 - 02/01/12 02:59 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
Well, sorry for the pics guys, but the upload thing isn't workin an all... you know. Anyway. Check this shit out.
 
Alright, now here's deal. I am a TOTAL NOOB when it comes to cacti. I have been wanting to get into them, and I even got a bunch of seed from some recent trades. I still really don't know anything about taking care of them. I would love it if you guys could help me in the right direction as far as what to do with these cacti. If you don't care to explain, I would love to see any links that you think would help me. Thanks.
Anyways, there's also a few concerns, but nothing major I don't think. First of all, the soil is bone dry and doesn't look like any cactus soil I imagined... It's really dense filled with organic matter like sticks... Should I water them? Should I transplant them to better soil? Here's a pic:
And also, one of them has some light spots, and one of them has some scarring. Is this something I should keep an eye on?
And finally, this is probably a dumb question and I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but these are 2 different cuttings right? Or 2 different cacti? And before I go, here's my N. Rustica that I just got moved into bigger pots last night:
Thanks guys. You rule. Reccomendations or links would be greatly appreciated. I have a lot to learn on cacti...
--------------------
All of the cultivation photos uploaded by this account were taken in an area of the globe where such practices are legal and uninhibited.
|
 Swan Song
Registered: 02/08/06
Posts: 522
|
 Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: trophycase]
#15748547 - 02/01/12 05:37 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
GOOD WORK
I have 3 Peruvian torches I got like that. They're getting to a nice size now.
|
fngbronco
Monkey Man
Registered: 09/26/10
Posts: 2,814
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: Swan Song]
#15749804 - 02/01/12 10:01 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
Don't worry about watering them, they look fine. If you're gonna transplant them I'd recommend something like 60% cactus mix, 20% perlite, 20% coir. It seems to work well for me, but so does the sandy loam I scooped out of my front yard. Don't worry about watering them much, I've got a stubborn cutting over a year old now with no roots on it, and though it's a little soft to the touch, it's still alive and healthy. I hope it roots this year, it'll be outside when the weather starts warming up.
--------------------
I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need.
Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco
Pill Divider Agar Tek
|
trophycase
Dickface
Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 924
Last seen: 2 days, 15 hours
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: fngbronco]
#15749987 - 02/01/12 10:53 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
Thanks for the tip. Is there any way I can tell if these have rooted besides digging them up? The label just says water when soil is dry to the touch...
--------------------
All of the cultivation photos uploaded by this account were taken in an area of the globe where such practices are legal and uninhibited.
|
Mufungo
Coming at ya
Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 2,557
Loc: Knowhere
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: trophycase]
#15750293 - 02/02/12 01:10 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
To see if it has roots without digging them up... Gently pull the plant out of the pot, directly upwards, just to see if the soil right to the edge of the pot comes with it. The more roots it has, the more pressure you can apply without the cactus and soil starting to come out of the pot. If it doesn't have established roots, you won't need to pull as hard before the plant starts moving and you'll also see the soil close to the cactus move while the soil closer to the pot edge doesn't. But don't pull too hard cause you don't want to actually rip the plant up. Not sure if this makes sense, does it?
I wonder if the blemishes are a hormonal thing. I see it on some of mine occasionally, but it disappears.
The tiny scars on the other hand is nothing to worry about, they love that shit.
|
trophycase
Dickface
Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 924
Last seen: 2 days, 15 hours
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: Mufungo]
#15751169 - 02/02/12 09:20 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mufungo said:
To see if it has roots without digging them up... Gently pull the plant out of the pot, directly upwards, just to see if the soil right to the edge of the pot comes with it. The more roots it has, the more pressure you can apply without the cactus and soil starting to come out of the pot. If it doesn't have established roots, you won't need to pull as hard before the plant starts moving and you'll also see the soil close to the cactus move while the soil closer to the pot edge doesn't. But don't pull too hard cause you don't want to actually rip the plant up. Not sure if this makes sense, does it?
I wonder if the blemishes are a hormonal thing. I see it on some of mine occasionally, but it disappears.
The tiny scars on the other hand is nothing to worry about, they love that shit.
I just gave um a gentle tug, nothing too uncomfortable. The cacti seemed stuck in there pretty good, it wouldn't come out of the soil at all. No soil came up either, but the soil seems pretty compacted, so idk about that. But the soil is very dry, so I would think that they would come out pretty easily if they haven't rooted. So should these be getting direct sunlight if they've rooted? Sorry for all the noob Q's guys, I just have a lot to learn on cacti and I'm not quite sure where to start.
I'll leave with 2 more questions.  First, I'm just curious why they look so different. I assume the cuttings are from more/less mature specimens? One is very pointed at the end and the other is very rounded. Also, one has 6 ribs while the other has 7. Are these just small genetic differences between Pachanoi's? And how long will they be okay in that pot before I need to move them to individual/larger containers? What they're in now is about an 8" pot, and they're about 7" or 8" cuttings.
Thanks guys. 
--------------------
All of the cultivation photos uploaded by this account were taken in an area of the globe where such practices are legal and uninhibited.
|
Mufungo
Coming at ya
Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 2,557
Loc: Knowhere
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: trophycase]
#15752821 - 02/02/12 05:22 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
Just curious, what makes you think they might not have roots if you bought the plant from a nursery? But is sounds like from what you describe, that they probably do have roots. IMO it would be kind of strange for a nursery to sell unrooted cuttings shoved in dirt (if they're a half-way decent nursery this just wouldn't be done, particularly without careful instructions on how to get them to root). So I would hazard a guess that you bought a fully rooted plant which was propagated from cuttings. These plants are hardy as fuck, so you can ease them into direct sunlight (just in case they haven't seen sun in a while, gradually introduce sun to avoid shock/sunburn). IME, for enhanced growth, it's not a matter of "the more sun the better". They grow best if you can give them enough sun to avoid etiolation (that's when the plant growns really long and skinny and loses it's green pigment = ugly and not healthy) but also restrict the sun enough to keep them hungry for light (which makes them grow up quicker). My faster growing specimens might get direct sunlight for maybe 2 hours and then dappled light/shade for the rest of the day. Keeping up the water and nutrients during the hot summer makes 'em go off. (and water sparingly during winter of course)
The looks of the cactus can be a weird thing. I've seen trichs that were taken from the same mother and grown in slightly different conditions then look completely different to the point which I would never have guessed they came from exactly the same genetics. So it could be genetics and/or environment leading to the differences, but because we don't know the exact history of those plants, it's a bit of a guess. That said, I don't reckon they are that dissimilar and because they came from the same source and are in the same pot, I'm guessing they're from the same mother.
Some pups that are spat out of the mother might have 4, 5, 6 ribs. Then can grow more ribs as the plant grows older. The pointy end is what happens when the plant tries to grow with either not enough light, or when the roots aren't established enough to provide enough nutrients/water to the growing tip as it stretches up towards light. It's not that big of a deal and can thicken up over the years. But because the plant will grow from the tip, it can make the plant skinnier in places along its length as it thickens up.
If it's warm enough where you are, then I can't see any reason why not to re-pot. The plant can go dormant over winter (little or no growth), so winter is not a great time to re-pot. If you ain't into the ornamental look of two side by side, it might be a good idea to separate them into two pots.
|
trophycase
Dickface
Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 924
Last seen: 2 days, 15 hours
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: Mufungo]
#15752922 - 02/02/12 05:46 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
Mufungo, you are the man. I decided to re-pot them because they looked crowded and I hated the soil that they were in. WOW, am I glad I did... And you were totally right. These bad boys were ROOTED LIKE A MOFO. I don't know if there is such a thing as "root-bound" cacti, but these were definitely what I consider root-bound. That was the main reason why the soil was so dense. Seperating them was quite a challenge, and some of the smaller roots were cut/torn in the process, but I think they'll do fine. Why did I think they might not be rooted? I couldn't tell ya... I'm just a noob to the cacti and wanted to know how to check before I went off watering them and throwing them in the sun...
Anyways, I put them in a spot on my porch where they will get 1-2 hours of sunlight, if that. I also gave them a good watering in their new soil, which I hope is the right thing to do when re-potting cacti...
So now they're confirmed rooted and they're in their own pots with 50% perlite and 50% cactus/palm soil. Is there any aftercare I should be keeping up with at this point? Or is it just a matter of easing them into the sunlight and simply watering when they get bone dry?
Thanks man. I like the way they're lookin in their own pots now, although I have to say that my first cacti re-potting experience was quite difficult and stressful. I was real worried about hurting the root systems while seperating them, but I know cacti are tenatious, so I was just as careful as I could be while making sure to maintain the larger main roots.
I'll put pics up of them in their own containers when the picture upload is working again. 
Trophycase
--------------------
All of the cultivation photos uploaded by this account were taken in an area of the globe where such practices are legal and uninhibited.
|
Mufungo
Coming at ya
Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 2,557
Loc: Knowhere
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: trophycase]
#15753003 - 02/02/12 05:59 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
Ooooh. Maybe not a big deal, but generally in the future don't water immediately after re-potting. Next time, let them sit in their new soil for a week or longer before watering. Because as you said, some of the roots were damaged in the re-potting process (as is normally the case), and you want the roots to settle in and callous before introducing water. If it's hot where you are the water should evaporate pretty quick. I wouldn't water again till it becomes bone dry. But not to worry, what's done is done. They are hardy so they should be fine. We can all look forward to the pics. Congrats!
|
trophycase
Dickface
Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 924
Last seen: 2 days, 15 hours
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: Mufungo]
#15753099 - 02/02/12 06:13 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
You know, I was searching around the forum for that answer and couldn't quite find it, so I just went for it. It is hot where I am right now, so hopefully they dry up pretty quick. They're not big pots either, so it should only be a little while before they dry up.
Lesson learned. 
Thanks my man.
--------------------
All of the cultivation photos uploaded by this account were taken in an area of the globe where such practices are legal and uninhibited.
|
naum
Registered: 10/09/07
Posts: 1,797
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: trophycase]
#15753485 - 02/02/12 07:24 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
You should water them before they get bone dry. Trichocereus like a lot of water compared to most cacti and if you want good rates of growth you need to give them fertilizer and water.
Also it's a myth that cacti can never be too root bound especially with Trichocereus. Of course most many gardeners root bound means a faster drying out time which prevents the risk of over watering, but still you should give them a fair amount of root space or preferably considering your location put them in the ground or in a raised bed.
The soil sounds fine for your climate, but it's good to add a slow release fertilizer whether it be field aged horse manure or osmocote.
When you separate roots like you did is when it's especially important let the roots heal in dry soil before watering, but Trichocereus especially 'PC' pachanoi are pretty resilient so I suspect you'll be fine.
|
trophycase
Dickface
Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 924
Last seen: 2 days, 15 hours
|
Re: Check out my nursery finds, and a little help would be great too :D [Re: naum]
#15755909 - 02/03/12 11:56 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
naum said:
You should water them before they get bone dry. Trichocereus like a lot of water compared to most cacti and if you want good rates of growth you need to give them fertilizer and water.
Also it's a myth that cacti can never be too root bound especially with Trichocereus. Of course most many gardeners root bound means a faster drying out time which prevents the risk of over watering, but still you should give them a fair amount of root space or preferably considering your location put them in the ground or in a raised bed.
The soil sounds fine for your climate, but it's good to add a slow release fertilizer whether it be field aged horse manure or osmocote.
When you separate roots like you did is when it's especially important let the roots heal in dry soil before watering, but Trichocereus especially 'PC' pachanoi are pretty resilient so I suspect you'll be fine.
Lots of good stuff. Thank you brotha. Now that you mention putting them in the ground, I may do that indeed, although I'm in an apartment until may. And I KNOW about letting them sit in the dry soil before watering. haha. That was my first pretty noobish mistake I think. And for fertilizing, just monthly feedings?
--------------------
All of the cultivation photos uploaded by this account were taken in an area of the globe where such practices are legal and uninhibited.
| |
|
|
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Magash, karode13, naum
220 topic views. 5 members, 20 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic ]
| | |
|
|
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
Edit 
Reply 
