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#15755082 - 02/03/12 07:55 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market
BBC
By Adrian Goldberg
3 February 2012 Last updated at 05:23 ET
Out of reach of regular internet searches is the secretive online world known as the 'dark web' - anonymous, virtually untraceable global networks used by political activists and criminals alike.
"You have the availability of multiple dealers so you can compare products - and customers can review the dealer's product, too."
American student, David - not his real name - explains why he chooses to buy illegal drugs on the so-called 'dark web'.
"You don't have to go in front of a street dealer, where there might be a risk of violence," he adds.
And it is not just drugs which are available on this online black market. Fake passports, guns - even child pornography.
Anonymous drug dealers
The dark web is facilitated by a global network of computer users who believe the internet should operate beyond the supervision of law enforcement agencies.
It allows users like David, and those who sell him drugs, to remain anonymous. Users often do not know the real identity of the fellow users they are dealing with, and it is very difficult - although not impossible - for authorities to track them.
5 live Investigates spoke online with a number of anonymous dark web users.
One told the programme "I feel much safer [online] than doing transactions in the real world. I used to sell drugs in the real world. Nowadays I almost strictly use the dark web for any drug transaction."
Another said: "If you're young and trying to find a contact for drugs harder than marijuana it is practically impossible without risking exposure and arrest."
Getting access to the dark web depends on users downloading freely available software, based on peer-to-peer file-sharing technology, which effectively scrambles the location of users and dark web websites.
It is not just a criminal domain, either - the dark web has proved a crucial tool in concealing the identity of political campaigners living in countries with oppressive governments.
It is said to have helped some of the organisers behind the Arab Spring protests.
That said, the potential for criminal enterprise is significant.
Researchers from the 5 live Investigates team successfully accessed the dark web, and made a purchase of the hallucinogen DMT - a class A drug, ranking it on a par with heroin and cocaine.
An extra layer of secrecy is added to the dark web by the use of Bitcoins - an electronic currency which is used legitimately by online gamers, but which can be used by criminals to mask their financial transactions.
After a wait of around 3 weeks a package arrived in the post with a Spanish postmark. Concealed between two thin strips of cardboard was a white powder.
Analytical Services International, at St George's University and London Hospital examined the drugs.
The lab test proved the powder was DMT - and that the dark web works.
We have no idea who sent the drugs to us. They have now been destroyed by the lab as possession of DMT can lead to a jail sentence of up to seven years.
Dealers of DMT can face a maximum life term in prison.
But what is being done to police the criminal activity that takes place on the dark web?
"Police officers on both sides of the Atlantic say the same thing," says John Carr, an internet security advisor to the British government and the United Nations.
"We don't have enough courts, we don't have enough judges, and we don't have enough police officers to tackle the real scale of illegal behaviour on the internet.
"What that means is increasingly we're going to have to look to technical solutions, we're going to have to look to the internet industry to help civil society deal with this really enormous problem the dark web has created," Mr Carr told the BBC.
"The police service is acutely aware of the large and growing problem of cybercrime and is actively working with police nationally and internationally along with the private sector in a bid to combat criminality on the web," says Deputy Assistant Commissioner Janet Williams, the lead on e-crime for the Association of Chief Police Officers.
Yet for all their efforts much of the illegal activity on the dark web remains beyond the reach of the police, and to some supporters of the dark web, its anonymity is its virtue.
They point to the protection it has offered to anti-government bloggers who spread the message of revolution during the Arab Spring.
And they argue that it continues to provide cover for dissidents who might otherwise face persecution in China.
For US student and dark web user David, it is about freedom of choice:
"Many people share the belief, myself included, that drugs should be legal and the dark web is that belief put into action."
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
#15755103 - 02/03/12 08:06 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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"We don't have enough courts, we don't have enough judges, and we don't have enough police officers to tackle the real scale of illegal behaviour on the internet."
SO JUST FUCKING MAKE IT LEGAL!!!!!!!
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Prior to the breakthrough; you are considering possibilities.
Considering speeds and speeds, until your realm cant follow the consideration.
Once pushed out of this dimension.
You have no dimension in which to have any possibilities to consider.
As you come back to reality you start to remember the possibilities in your life.
You are you but you realize you.
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: JilPil]
#15755619 - 02/03/12 10:45 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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"The dark corner: Guns and drugs for sale on the secret dark corners of your city"
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: digitalemu]
#15755674 - 02/03/12 10:58 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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If this does not prove the futility of the drug war, I don't know what does.
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#15755703 - 02/03/12 11:08 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Damn, you can get a life sentence for selling dmt
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: digitalemu]
#15755842 - 02/03/12 11:41 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
digitalemu said:
"The dark corner: Guns and drugs for sale on the secret dark corners of your city"
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: Immortal Corrupter]
#15756041 - 02/03/12 12:34 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Lol. This shit is nothing new. Surely you guys know all those .onion sites... 
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: trophycase]
#15756267 - 02/03/12 01:45 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Why are they all of a sudden picking on DMT? 
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: Meteloides]
#15756339 - 02/03/12 02:08 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Quote:
Meteloides said:
Why are they all of a sudden picking on DMT?
Maybe someone on staff wanted to nab a little hit out of it before they sent it off to the lab 
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Nothing I say or do is factual; every single thing I write is a work of fiction. Got no idea what I'm talking about here~
"Once in awhile, you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right"~ (Grateful Dead)
"o puer, qui omnia nomini debes"; "You, boy, who owe's everything to a name"~ Mark Anthony
"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#15756829 - 02/03/12 04:00 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Ugh, this sickens me.
I wish these substances were being controlled by the government, because there are sites out there selling marijuana right next to heroin. Well, I suppose if these sites are well hidden it's not like just any regular joe may encounter that. But still, the thought is kinda disturbing..
Oh well, what can ya do?
Edited by psychedelia56 (02/03/12 04:30 PM)
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: psychedelia56]
#15756999 - 02/03/12 04:42 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Child porn is bad but other than the fact that people are abusing children I see no problem with the deep web
Guns dont kill people, people kill people; if guns are limited the power is in the hands of cops and criminals
Drugs arent innately bad; I dont care if its weed, hallucinogens, or hard drugs, people have the right to treat their bodies as they please
Political activists obviously have a reason to be, the group Anonymous could be classified as such even if they take it to higher levels they are absolutely necessary for dealing with overly controlling governments
And dont hate on those who smoke/sell Dutch Movie Theater
Is the online drug dealing still going on? still at the silk road? might be worth checking out
I could see drug prices dropping heavily online, if some dude is willing to send out large amounts from a grow operation for cheap they can as opposed to having to move pounds person to person. Rather it could; it gives the market the capability to be competitive on a larger scale in a safer fashion, if there are two of the same product on amazon 1. costing $45 and the 2. costing $15 and you have the ability to view both and make the call seller 2. will be losing a lot of profit and have to lower his prices
just a thougt
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: Wise Toad]
#15757057 - 02/03/12 04:54 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah, you make a really good point actually Wise Toad. I'm a little young in my experience with drugs, so there are some things I need to reconsider with my argument.
Well, I guess it is a good thing then that these drugs are available. I think my point was I just worry about people getting highly addicted to these drugs. But again you're right it's not drugs who kill people it's people who kill people.
I just went through a terrible bout with cocaine and that's why I feel the way I do about physically addicting and dangerous drugs like these. I need to re-think what happened to me because I clearly didn't learn everything I could have from that experience. It's pretty bad that even though I was in the face of these drugs I wasn't even able to say to myself that it was me that caused the cocaine problem. A true addict at work..
Thanks for your insight Wise Toad, I appreciate it. I learned something big just now.
Edited by psychedelia56 (02/03/12 05:00 PM)
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: Wise Toad]
#15757068 - 02/03/12 04:56 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Ha. They can't do shit. 
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: frylock91]
#15757934 - 02/03/12 08:06 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Obviously it using the internet to do something prohibited, doesn't magically make it perfectly safe and legal.
Just because it is being done on the internet, isn't any different than in person.
Cops can setup fake websites that claim to sell illegal things and then arrest people for accepting a box with a stack of heavy papers and say they ordered something illegal. Maybe i'm not 100% accurate, but the point is...
Don't be fooled into thinking that just because the news TRIES to make it appear that its 100% safe and something must be done to stop it, it is far from 100% safe and in reality, there is a high probability that you will get caught and charged, especially if you frequently use it.
With the internet, you can't even look at the person and judge for yourself if you feel safe buying something from them or not, so in that way, it is riskier.
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: guest1]
#15757979 - 02/03/12 08:22 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Quote:
psychedelia56 said:
Yeah, you make a really good point actually Wise Toad. I'm a little young in my experience with drugs, so there are some things I need to reconsider with my argument.
Well, I guess it is a good thing then that these drugs are available. I think my point was I just worry about people getting highly addicted to these drugs. But again you're right it's not drugs who kill people it's people who kill people.
I just went through a terrible bout with cocaine and that's why I feel the way I do about physically addicting and dangerous drugs like these. I need to re-think what happened to me because I clearly didn't learn everything I could have from that experience. It's pretty bad that even though I was in the face of these drugs I wasn't even able to say to myself that it was me that caused the cocaine problem. A true addict at work..
Thanks for your insight Wise Toad, I appreciate it. I learned something big just now.
Highly addictive drugs can be very dangerous but the governments treatment of users is even moreso, in terms of both the violence it causes and the user him/herself
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guest1 said:
Obviously it using the internet to do something prohibited, doesn't magically make it perfectly safe and legal.
Just because it is being done on the internet, isn't any different than in person.
Cops can setup fake websites that claim to sell illegal things and then arrest people for accepting a box with a stack of heavy papers and say they ordered something illegal. Maybe i'm not 100% accurate, but the point is...
Don't be fooled into thinking that just because the news TRIES to make it appear that its 100% safe and something must be done to stop it, it is far from 100% safe and in reality, there is a high probability that you will get caught and charged, especially if you frequently use it.
With the internet, you can't even look at the person and judge for yourself if you feel safe buying something from them or not, so in that way, it is riskier.
Yeah, you could order Coke and get anthrax, meth, or yes even DMT, wait, can you  DMT? even so, if you snorted DMT and expected coke it would be one hell of a ride
Heh, letterbombs these days; you get a book from an online friend who hollowed it out and filled it with C4, the switch of course being the opening of the cover
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: Wise Toad]
#15758155 - 02/03/12 09:08 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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If drugs were controlled properly then cocaine would be far less dangerous, and that goes for every other drug too. So yeah I agree. Everything has its place.
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: psychedelia56]
#15758549 - 02/03/12 11:16 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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im confused, so what is the website link?
i want to see what this dark web looks like
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: yoimjohn]
#15758601 - 02/03/12 11:34 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Download TOR
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: frylock91]
#15758637 - 02/03/12 11:48 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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tor?
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Re: The dark web: Guns and drugs for sale on the internet's secret black market [Re: psychedelia56]
#15758655 - 02/03/12 11:52 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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frylock91 said:
Download TOR
EXPLAIN THE ONION WIKI Quote:
psychedelia56 said:
If drugs were controlled properly then cocaine would be far less dangerous, and that goes for every other drug too. So yeah I agree. Everything has its place.
How long does a coke addiction need to take hold? What was the last chance you had before you were hooked? Is it worth trying once or twice at random parties?
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Download TOR
Must it be done again:
EXPLAIN THE ONION WIKI
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