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is perhaps the most private and intimate possession you can have...
more so than your body because intelligence is immaterial and floating around in some other dimension along with your 'I AM!'
(people seem to identify more with their intelligence than with their brain)
and it is no wonder why everyone considers themselves above average, it is such intangible stuff.
and it is no wonder why people considered 'genius' have the best ego trips (better than the beautiful bodied of course), and are massive dicks like steve jobs or wittgenstein or go insane like nietzsche or both like picasso... (and many many more, probably...)
intelligence is like the ultimate kind of private property...
maybe like a modern version of the soul... think about the soul, it was used to regulate peoples behavior so they conformed to the way the church wanted them to act...
intelligence seems similar... nowadays (more than ever?) people seem insecure about their intelligence and terrified of being thought of as dumb, so it may play a big role in making us into obedient sheeple...
how do you think about intelligence?
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: quinn]
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Lil ambiguous quinn. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence
Even persons IQ can be measured against different areas, such as maths, spacial awareness and so on.
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: quinn]
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All I know is I'm smart and you, not so much. 
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
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more axiomatic dogma 
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: tribesman]
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: tribesman]
#15754825 - 02/03/12 05:23 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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yeh maybe... i didnt really want to talk about IQ and such,
but more the social value and role of intelligence as something everyone likes to believe they have (see icelander above  )
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: quinn]
#15754829 - 02/03/12 05:26 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Yes, yes, look at me. 
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
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more axiomatic dogma
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Yes, yes, look at me.
oh yes you are! 
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
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Well I suppose if we believe in our own intelligence, our intellect, then it makes it easier to justify our actions and have faith in our own choices. Similarly, the same effect can be achieved by replacing faith in our own intelligence, with another possibly more prominent or more experienced mind.
No one wants to be thought of as stupid, even if privately they fear they are. This may be because they want others to pay attention to them (see Icelander ^), and ask their opinions and advice. Just part of feeling wanted and significant ?
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: tribesman]
#15754872 - 02/03/12 05:53 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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yeh that sounds about right... i guess another related factor might be how everything is so specialized these days and we feel insecure about really understanding anything (from art to physics)...
also how there is like SO MUCH information on the internet 
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: quinn]
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Useless until applied for concerns bigger then self(imo).
I have some posts in my journal if you're interested, OP.
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: quinn]
#15755070 - 02/03/12 07:52 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Oh, I've got all this shit figured out. Now I'm just coasting to the finish line. 
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Beanhead]
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Useless until applied for concerns bigger then self(imo).
Intelligence = knowing when to use 'than'. 
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In other languages there is no diffirence
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Beanhead]
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Huh? Try to make sense.
Diffirence?
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Dual meaning for the same word; my first sentence in journal is also a good explanation. Other then that i'm human; I make mistakes 
I do want to have a thriving discussion on intelligence though but I wouldn't know where to start since it's such a broad subject.
Where do you want to head with this OP?
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is perhaps the most private and intimate possession you can have...
more so than your body because intelligence is immaterial and floating around in some other dimension along with your 'I AM!'
(people seem to identify more with their intelligence than with their brain)
and it is no wonder why everyone considers themselves above average, it is such intangible stuff.
and it is no wonder why people considered 'genius' have the best ego trips (better than the beautiful bodied of course), and are massive dicks like steve jobs or wittgenstein or go insane like nietzsche or both like picasso... (and many many more, probably...)
intelligence is like the ultimate kind of private property...
maybe like a modern version of the soul... think about the soul, it was used to regulate peoples behavior so they conformed to the way the church wanted them to act...
intelligence seems similar... nowadays (more than ever?) people seem insecure about their intelligence and terrified of being thought of as dumb, so it may play a big role in making us into obedient sheeple...
how do you think about intelligence?
Appearing dumb is a rather effective strategy!
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Beanhead]
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Dual meaning for the same word
Wrong again. 
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tempusvita why oh why do you not follow forum rules and guidelines about personalisms? 
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#15755308 - 02/03/12 09:17 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Something to do with emotional control and ego death...
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#15755309 - 02/03/12 09:17 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I really hate this Orgone guy. He goes around correcting peoples spelling! I mean big fucking deal, unless hes desperately trying to convey his imagined superior intelligence, its not necessary if its READABLE! This is an internet forum for christ sake. As if someone who confused than and then offhandedly ARE really stupid, like he is implying. Only insecure people act like that. Only insecure people have to belittle people like that, because they are bitter.
I am not saying he is insecure, but he does things that insecure people do. I mean he did it twice above.
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I really hate this Orgone guy. He goes around correcting peoples spelling!
*people's*
Are you saying that an inability to properly use words has nothing to do with intelligence?
Whose job is it to correctly convey information: the reader or the writer?
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Are you saying that an inability to properly use words has nothing to do with intelligence?
ITS NOT THE INABILITY! It's the depth of understanding that you apparently can't see that we aren't writing papers for a fucking university on this forum. We are writing informal posts where the perfect grammar and spelling aren't a big deal!! I assure you he knows the difference between "than" and "then", and how to spell "difference"!
And even so, even without the ability, it does NOT mean someone is dumb! There are a lot of reasons why someone could be bad at spelling but still be very intelligent. Get over yourself!
Nobody thinks highly of grammar Nazis, I assure you. No one thinks people who go around correcting peoples spelling are geniuses. They just think they are douches. They only see through their insecurity and self importance. The lowest, bitterest people act like that on the INTERNET. People like that should pull the stick out of their asses.
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I really hate this Orgone guy. He goes around correcting peoples spelling! I mean big fucking deal, unless hes desperately trying to convey his imagined superior intelligence, its not necessary if its READABLE! This is an internet forum for christ sake. As if someone who confused than and then offhandedly ARE really stupid, like he is implying. Only insecure people act like that. Only insecure people have to belittle people like that, because they are bitter.
I am not saying he is insecure, but he does things that insecure people do. I mean he did it twice above.
Hating people who disagree with you must be a new agey family value. 
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Nobody thinks highly of grammar Nazis, I assure you. No one thinks people who go around correcting peoples spelling are geniuses. They just think they are douches. They only see through their insecurity and self importance.
What is most interesting from a psychological perspective is how you have set yourself up as the spokesman of all mankind. Have you polled 7 billion people? No. Yet you pretend that everyone else is as emotionally out of control as yourself and that you speak for them. This is highly delusional.
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
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I really hate this Orgone guy. He goes around correcting peoples spelling! I mean big fucking deal, unless hes desperately trying to convey his imagined superior intelligence, its not necessary if its READABLE! This is an internet forum for christ sake. As if someone who confused than and then offhandedly ARE really stupid, like he is implying. Only insecure people act like that. Only insecure people have to belittle people like that, because they are bitter.
I am not saying he is insecure, but he does things that insecure people do. I mean he did it twice above.
Hating people who disagree with you must be a new agey family value.
Only an unstable ego is so easily pushed off balance.
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Are you saying that an inability to properly use words has nothing to do with intelligence?
ITS NOT THE INABILITY! It's the depth of understanding that you apparently can't see that we aren't writing papers for a fucking university on this forum. We are writing informal posts where the perfect grammar and spelling aren't a big deal!! I assure you he knows the difference between "than" and "then", and how to spell "difference"!
And even so, even without the ability, it does NOT mean someone is dumb! There are a lot of reasons why someone could be bad at spelling but still be very intelligent. Get over yourself!
Nobody thinks highly of grammar Nazis, I assure you. No one thinks people who go around correcting peoples spelling are geniuses. They just think they are douches. They only see through their insecurity and self importance. The lowest, bitterest people act like that on the INTERNET. People like that should pull the stick out of their asses.
I will tell you since you are new here that usually OC is a lot of fun. He's just cantankerous today. (I hope I spelled that correctly.)
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Wussup, HC? You have been missed 'round these here parts. 
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Quote:
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tempusvita said:
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Are you saying that an inability to properly use words has nothing to do with intelligence?
ITS NOT THE INABILITY! It's the depth of understanding that you apparently can't see that we aren't writing papers for a fucking university on this forum. We are writing informal posts where the perfect grammar and spelling aren't a big deal!! I assure you he knows the difference between "than" and "then", and how to spell "difference"!
And even so, even without the ability, it does NOT mean someone is dumb! There are a lot of reasons why someone could be bad at spelling but still be very intelligent. Get over yourself!
Nobody thinks highly of grammar Nazis, I assure you. No one thinks people who go around correcting peoples spelling are geniuses. They just think they are douches. They only see through their insecurity and self importance. The lowest, bitterest people act like that on the INTERNET. People like that should pull the stick out of their asses.
I will tell you since you are new here that usually OC is a lot of fun. He's just cantankerous today. (I hope I spelled that correctly.)
He's not cantankerous, he just has a low tolerance for BULLSHIT!
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: quinn]
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yeh that sounds about right... i guess another related factor might be how everything is so specialized these days and we feel insecure about really understanding anything (from art to physics)...
also how there is like SO MUCH information on the internet
I watched a documentary that touched on that idea briefly, it's main point being that it is difficult for any one man to view the whole picture in depth. The internet makes it problematic in finding reliable unbiased material. You can, I believe, find literature to back up or discredit all manner of phenomena. You have to be careful not to get sucked in.
About ten years back I sat up most of one night reading about the Dulce wars, which if you don't know are an alleged war between humans and aliens under New Mexico. I was enthralled, I couldn't understand why someone would take the time to fabricate such a story, and they seemed so adamant that this was true. I also got sucked in by the disclosure project and Bob Lazar. I am getting help
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: tribesman]
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Lazar? Really? Because he paid a draftsman to do a drawing?
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I really hate this Orgone guy. He goes around correcting peoples spelling! I mean big fucking deal, unless hes desperately trying to convey his imagined superior intelligence, its not necessary if its READABLE! This is an internet forum for christ sake. As if someone who confused than and then offhandedly ARE really stupid, like he is implying. Only insecure people act like that. Only insecure people have to belittle people like that, because they are bitter.
I am not saying he is insecure, but he does things that insecure people do. I mean he did it twice above.
he's trolling you bro. it's why he exists 
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I admit I'm a foolish boy, and I lied, I'm not really getting help 
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I really hate this Orgone guy. He goes around correcting peoples spelling! I mean big fucking deal, unless hes desperately trying to convey his imagined superior intelligence, its not necessary if its READABLE! This is an internet forum for christ sake. As if someone who confused than and then offhandedly ARE really stupid, like he is implying. Only insecure people act like that. Only insecure people have to belittle people like that, because they are bitter.
I am not saying he is insecure, but he does things that insecure people do. I mean he did it twice above.
he's trolling you bro. it's why he exists
I know. People who troll are often bitter losers in real life, which is why they act like that online. Also usually ugly.
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: quinn]
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Alright you two. Stop derailing quinn's thread. Take the fight to PM.
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: Diploid]
#15757082 - 02/03/12 04:58 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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 YEH! 
@orgone- nice try hiding your bald head
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Re: Your Intelligence [Re: quinn]
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That was a trick I learned from Wayne Dyer. In his book 'Erroneous Zones' he points out how people cannot accept reality including their physical appearance. The punchline: He is bald as fuck and the cover photo is chopped off at the forehead.
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