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 Vaipen
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 The Essence of Addiction
#15754524 - 02/03/12 12:57 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I wonder what people think addiction is. I wonder if there is some consensus here about it.
What is the nature of addiction? Please share your novel theories, with that I mean the ones beyond the cultural dogma and scare tactics. Does addiction even exist?
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Vaipen]
#15754551 - 02/03/12 01:16 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Addiction to fear
Addiction to keep you occupied from that fear
Addiction to the fear of change
Addiction to the familiar
Addiction to the safe and comfortable
Its just ego shit
If everything is always new there cant be addiction
The nature of addiction is fear and it is man made we are literally born into a world full of addicts, think about human interaction its all based on addiction, its ego related as i see it you get addicted and constantly try to fill that hole..
Mind trickery unfulfilled debauchery , its just part of the condition and so it continues
Addiction only exists in your mind and not your soul hence you can overcome addiction !
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Ok amoismis
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Vaipen]
#15754565 - 02/03/12 01:25 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Metabolic addiction exists.
And "psychological" addiction is largely associated with dopamine
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Ok amoismis]
#15754724 - 02/03/12 03:43 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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if you feel oppressed you probably are, and one of the ways most people cope with this feeling is becoming addicted to various things which seem to offer escape from that feeling.
The worst is when you DO feel it and you have others who believe they know better than how you feel and insist you are not oppressed and call you various denigrating names and labels that make you feel even more shitty than you feel! And so you may increase your addictive behaviour to cope with this sense of feeling isolated with your pain.
MOST of us are oppressed. Hemmed in. Regulated. Told what to think, and do, and feel. So therefore most of us become 'addicted' to habits which we believe will help us ease that sense of feeling trapped.
NOTICE NOTICE how this culture, which is very oppressive, prohibits natural vegetation, psychedelic vegetation, and other psychedelic substances that can deeply heal people of this sense of oppression! THAT is oppression also. It is the control of our consciousness. And THAT is the essence of oppression!
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Ok amoismis]
#15755537 - 02/03/12 10:24 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Ok amoismis said:
Metabolic addiction exists.
And "psychological" addiction is largely associated with dopamine
true
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With one billion posts here, I can definitely say that I am not addicted.
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zzripz
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there are good habits and bad ones and some bad ones are made bad by condemnation of them by others. ie., heroin addicts are demonized in this culture--and this makes people physically dependent on heroin feel even worse doesn't it?
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Vaipen]
#15755788 - 02/03/12 11:29 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Does addiction even exist?
Physical addiction exists. Its physiological effects can be seen objectively in biopsies of neurological tissue. On cession of a physically addicting substance, a person becomes physically ill.
Psychological addiction is a whole other animal. It exists in so far as animals tend to repeat behaviors that lead to pleasure. This can be anything from rolling on MDMA, tweaking on meth, eating ice cream, or going on vacation. They're all fun to do and so people will do them if given the chance. But none is physically addicting. Cession of meth or the end of a vacation both cause the person to wish they could continue, but they do not become physically sick. Of course, the severity of this desire to continue varies wildly depending on the drug/activity.
IMO, psychological addiction is a propaganda term created to pathologize certain perfectly reasonable desires.
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Vaipen]
#15755803 - 02/03/12 11:33 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Addiction starts with a desire. This desire is acted out, an one enjoys the feeling this action gives. When one associates happiness with what one does, they do things to make themselves happy, rather than doing things in a state of happiness. With this belief, they will continue to do the actions desired, which creates grooves in the brain deeper each time you act out the habit. These grooves become the common habitual ways of thinking and acting and makes the human feel stuck, without control, and repetitive. Say you are driving in mud, there are grooves in the dried mud from a truck or car driving through. If you get even close to the grooves, you will fall in easily and have a hard time getting out, but if you give the turn enough force, you can escape the groove.
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tribesman
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Diploid]
#15755806 - 02/03/12 11:34 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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So I'm not addicted to weed ?,
what bearing does mixing pot with tobacco have Diploid ?
Does the body associate the nicotine fix with cannabis or vice versa ?
I'm interested to know. 
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: tribesman]
#15756021 - 02/03/12 12:30 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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So I'm not addicted to weed ?
Not unless you are also addicted to vacations, good music, and cheesecake. When you stop those things, you wish you had more, but there is no adverse physiologic reaction. None of those things cause physical changes in your nervous system that make it dependent on those things.
Similarly, when you stop smoking cannabis, you wish you had more, but there is no adverse physiologic reaction; you don't become sick. No neurological changes take place that make your nervous system dependent on the cannabis.
what bearing does mixing pot with tobacco have Diploid ?
Nicotine IS physically addicting. Over time, it DOES cause histological changes in your nervous system that make it dependent on nicotine. When the nicotine is withdrawn, the nervous system becomes deranged until it eventually recovers.
The histological changes caused by physically addictive substances can be so severe, that in extreme cases, withdrawal of the drug can cause death! That never happens with so-called psychological dependence. You can die from an ecstasy or meth overdose, but you will never die from the cessation of those drugs because they're not physically addicting.
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Vaipen] 1
#15756197 - 02/03/12 01:17 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Press the lever, get the reward
keep pressing the lever 
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Psychiatry is used for political reasons. (...) It explains why pathological governments always have considered dissidents as "mentally abnormal".
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tribesman
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Diploid]
#15756385 - 02/03/12 02:18 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Thanks for explaining that clearly for me, but I basically understand the difference between physical addiction and psychological. What I mean, and I perhaps wasn't clear in my question, is...
"psychological addiction is a propaganda term created to pathologize certain perfectly reasonable desires"
This kind of statement is quite a breath of fresh air. I have no concern of any physical addiction, but if someone suggests that a person has a psychological addiction, the emphasis is usually on the negative side. You have shown me another perspective here, but is the statement correct ?
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: tribesman]
#15756524 - 02/03/12 02:49 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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the emphasis is usually on the negative side
The way I see things is that anything that interferes with your happiness is negative. Anything that doesn't interfere with your happiness isn't a negative.
So, if you do some activity you enjoy, then when it's over you miss that activity, but can go on with your life happy, then I don't see the activity as negative. It doesn't matter if the activity is a "psychologically addictive" activity like using ecstasy or going on vacation or playing your guitar.
On the other hand, if playing your guitar becomes an obsession that starts to consume you to the point that you stop going to school or get fired from your job, then it's every bit as negative as if those same effects came from too much rolling on ecstasy.
That's why I don't buy into the whole psychological addiction thing. Everything fun is psychologically addicting. Everything. What renders it "bad" or not is whether or not its effect on you is such that it leads to a net reduction in your happiness. The only reason the concept has a negative connotation is because prohibitionist propaganda would have you believe that it only applies to drugs and always leads to a net loss of happiness.
But that's far from true. I used to have a neighbor who got so caught up in skateboarding that he dropped out of school. I know others who roll or tweak once in a while, but otherwise seem happy, hold a job, and lead seemingly successful lives.
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Diploid]
#15756570 - 02/03/12 02:58 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Thanks for the guitar comparison, and I suppose it's the same with all this sex addiction nonsense ?
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: tribesman]
#15758839 - 02/04/12 01:25 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I have had sex addiction, and its not nonesense. it is real when your in it. i also dont like the term 'addiction' cause its a shrink term. all of these things are habits, and the reasons for them can go deep. but a lot of the options for people to resolve them in this culture are pathetic, because this culture treats people like machines, and makes people think that they, and animals, are machines, and that nature is a machine, and that is one of the core reasons people become habituated to the point of self harm, because that philosophy renders life as being meaningless!
Edited by zzripz (02/04/12 01:27 AM)
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: zzripz]
#15758868 - 02/04/12 01:43 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I learned the definition of addiction by becoming a heroin addict for 3 years of daily IV use. I now know what it is and what it isn't.
It is something that you really liked, but grow to hate so much you want to kill yourself. It is something that even though you know is ruining everything you worked for, but you can't stop thinking about and keep repeating even thought the whole time your are thinking, "I don't know why I am doing this, why am i purposely ruining my life?"
It is very confusing, because you don't want to do it, but you do, so you think maybe I do want to and am just saying I don't for a good show. It is very very hard to stop once you keep a habit going for so long.
On that note I don't regret it, because it is better that it happened from 18-21 and not later on in life. I am no longer dependent on a drug, but very much an addict in the brain still, but I know this and am moderate or try to be in my behaviors. I even quit smoking all he time, but I still have a ciggarette 2-3 times a month when I go on a walk. I don't eat sweets, and if I do it is always in very small amounts (5-6 MM's not the whole bag)
I try to be preventative about getting addicted to anything, because I have a phobia now that if I do something too much I might not quit.
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tribesman
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: Diploid]
#15764422 - 02/05/12 12:39 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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You're not going to like this 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16854593
Just now seen this on BBC news site, don't shoot the messenger. 
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Re: The Essence of Addiction [Re: tribesman]
#15764439 - 02/05/12 12:42 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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One thing is for certain, prison is the best way to treat addiction.
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dkmonk
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
One thing is for certain, prison is the best way to treat addiction.
You forgot to add lol or (insert sarcasm)
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