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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15760445 - 02/04/12 01:06 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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Just try out different amounts such as 50g, 5%, 1/4 cup, and so on.....

This had me rollin' :lol:

As per the typical standard sized monotub, 50g, 5%, 1/4 cup, are all the same amount :smile:

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#15760482 - 02/04/12 01:15 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

You know what I mean though

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HorizonSpawn
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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15760500 - 02/04/12 01:21 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

True, true :thumbup:

I'd start with the typically used amount: "5% of bulk dry weight" as your baseline... Could try 2.5%, 7.5% & 10%, as well :smile:

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#15760785 - 02/04/12 02:26 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

I guess I should have stated this in the very 1st post, here is a quote i found from RR about gypsum " *Studies at commercial mushroom farms have shown up to a 20% increase in yield when gypsum is used over the exact same strain and substrate without gypsum" and *10% by volume the amount of substrate is the correct amount of gypsum to use. Just eyeball it. Anywhere from 5% to 10% is fine"

So what Im wanting to do is make sure I'm not putting a 1/4 of what 5% should be using my pelletized stuff!

Edit: This is one thing I keep on relearning here, How its hard to get across what you really need in the first post, but this is it^^^^

Edited by Big_Sexy (02/04/12 03:01 PM)

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15761190 - 02/04/12 04:07 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

Grind up the pelletized gypsum and throw 1/4 cup of powder into the substrate mixture. You're making it much more difficult than it needs to be.

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: grainbrain]
#15761379 - 02/04/12 04:53 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

heck i just take out my chunk of sheetrock and grate some off it up into my soaking grains until i get tired of of grating my knuckles :shrug:

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: TacoHerder]
#15761933 - 02/04/12 07:11 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

If RR did see this post,
He would be disappointed
that you self bumped 3x.

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I throw in about 4ish tablespoons gypsum per coir block...
I really eyeball it, so yea...

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: total]
#15762141 - 02/04/12 08:02 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

Total 4ish tablespoons per coir block which is about 10 quarts of substrate, your only adding an 8th of 5% so I'm not really sure if your doing any good, maybe you are. Your a TC ever done some straight test with your tubs: gypsum(8th of 5%) vs no gypsum. Guys I appreciate the concern and the conversation but I'm really no closer to answering my question. I know this is an imprecise hobby but shit guys i want a 20% increase in yield, so i don't just wasn't to "throw in handful". Plus I'm a science geek, so IDK maybe will never know.

*Studies at commercial mushroom farms have shown up to a 20% increase in yield when gypsum is used over the exact same strain and substrate without gypsum"
What type of Gypsum where these commercial farms using, powder, pelletized, golden monkey, gray goose, shit brain, fuck stick, ball sack, donkey punch, or rusty horn because apparently nobody has a clue.

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15762191 - 02/04/12 08:16 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

My best guess would be rusty horn. :thebaron:

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15762197 - 02/04/12 08:18 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

gypsum is gypsum, it doesnt matter the type. Find the volume of your sub, then divide by 10. Should give you the exact amount og gypsum you need.

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: TacoHerder]
#15762212 - 02/04/12 08:20 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

here's what RR tells ya to do.. "*10% by volume the amount of substrate is the correct amount of gypsum to use. Just eyeball it. Anywhere from 5% to 10% is fine."

Here he tells ya what i do... "The horticultural grade gypsum I get here is obviously a biproduct of the drywall industry. It has lots of pieces of white and brown paper mixed in, just like sheetrock. I think it's the broken pieces from the manufacturing process that they chop up and put into bags. It works great. Remove the paper, but don't get too anal about a few scraps you might miss. The mycelium will colonize them easily."

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: TacoHerder]
#15762224 - 02/04/12 08:26 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

ooo i didn't come across that. So powder it is!!!!

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15762230 - 02/04/12 08:27 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: TacoHerder]
#15762845 - 02/04/12 11:52 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

Sorry to throw a wrench in the works, but: "It's long been known that adding 1 tablespoon(not ten percent) of gypsum to the basic brf recipe for 5 jars will improve performance. RR" idk if he meant that for all substrates but here is the link: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15648701

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: JoeMama1992]
#15762873 - 02/05/12 12:04 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

I have no idea what the basic BRF recipe is and no idea how much 5 jars would be, i don't know what size jars your talking about. I skipped that and went to bulk. So what % by volume would that be?

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15763020 - 02/05/12 01:12 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

2 cups verm, 1 cup BRF, 1 cup water, makes roughly 5 half-pint jars. Not sure about my math but 3 cups dry ingredients = 48 Tbsp. 5% of 48 Tbsp is 2.4 Tbsp, so 1 Tbsp would be barely over 2% of dry ingredients. Even less when you consider the water. BUT someone should make sure I'm accurate here. Unsettling...

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#15763102 - 02/05/12 02:19 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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HorizonSpawn said:
Didn't mean to come across harsh...

...But I did "totally read all of your responses"; and everyone else's, as well... What would have you believe that I did not

I don't mean to sound too harsh either but...

Same here. Same with the other threads by the op. I'm wondering what's the point. Search this stuff man. Grains can wait a while before being spawned. Time is on your side, but only if you're patient. Use that time to research, not beg for help.

It's all been said before. Eyeball it. One, two, three handfuls... doesn't matter. You're just giving the cubes some minerals and nutrients. What will matter is getting the texture and moisture right. Gypsum by it's self is a soggy mess, so just be sure to keep it fluffy and moist but not too wet. Eyeball the moisture content too =P

There's no set amount for how mush water or gypsum you add to a brick, but there is a look and feel that you can shoot for. There's no set formula for ingretients either. Just mix, match, and toss whatever you feel like in there. Verm, gypsum, chlorella, bugs, pennies, soda, baby diapers... it doesn't mater. See what you can get away with, and you'll learn from it. Screwing up is a part of growing mushrooms. Have fun with it.

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: maug]
#15764329 - 02/05/12 12:09 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

I did search and didn't find the information I wanted. And its also interesting to have a live thread going so i can carry on a conversation with the community. However, it seems like some of the questions I have nobody has a answer for. This one is a perfect example (well it was answered after a while). I always try and shoot for the stars rather than taking things slow, life's to short not to have this approach. Im a science geek so things like "throw in a handful" make me cringe. Nothing against any of you but apparently I'm asking to much or I'm asking something that isn't well known. Im looking for good solid information, preferably from someone who has personally done xy or z before (which for some reason is really hard to do). Regardless I have learned a lot. But i keep on getting little to no information out of threads, but i guess that life, shit not always going to be awesome. Regardless this place is pretty damn cool. But i can't help but feel like you guys are being a little judgmental, at what point does a person get taken seriously on this forum, is a TC tag the only badge of honer. I might be way off base here but if you knew me, i don't think you guys would say any of the things that "aren't meant to harsh" which can only come from a judgement mindset. Im a really geeky and intelligent dude who loves his hobby so i try to research and understand as much as i can. But I guess i should have been more concise; maybe i should have asked for peoples results with adding gypsum (or searched for it).

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15764446 - 02/05/12 12:45 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

I support your way and I like your postings. I don't know why they are so negative. I really don't.

Keep doing what you're doing! :super:

For your information, they actually requested me to get banned from this community after my first posting. Only after admin came and told them to shut the fuck up they calmed down. You can look up my first thread. That's hilarious.

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Re: Calling all who use Gypsum in there substrate, lets talk people! RR please look. [Re: Big_Sexy]

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#15764482 - 02/05/12 12:55 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

Why dont you stick your head in your grain jars...see if it fits... :cool:

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