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 Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? 
#15751021 - 02/02/12 08:32 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Also, can anyone guide me to a tek i can follow for grafting? Im fairly new to cactus
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 Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15751747 - 02/02/12 12:30 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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It should be, but I guess that depends on what you're trying to graft on it. I've heard the bigger/more established the stock is, the faster/better the growth of the graft.
This is a nice "double pickle" tek for sterility sake http://higherintellect.info/texts/drugs/nansnook3c/tek/nansdpickle.htm and it would appear he hasn't even rooted yet
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Jake McBaked]
#15751935 - 02/02/12 01:26 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Never seen anyone graft to unrooted cuttings like that. Cool link 
edit: what's double pickle?
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: turtle_hermit]
#15753348 - 02/02/12 06:58 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I have grafted onto unrooted stock on a number of occasions and I know a guy that does all of his loph / pach grafts this way
Grafting to unrooted stock makes the whole process of grafting quite simple as you don't have the constraints of a pot on the stock. You can prep all of your stock and stand them up in a pot or tub then do the grafts hold the grafts on with stockings hooked onto the spines and the stand them up in a tub with the lid on for a day or so to get a nice smooth callous and then pot them up when you have time.
This methode works great if you are doing lots of graft at the one time but is also handy if only doing one.
The scion will still grow on a unrooted stock. It will slow up a bit when you plant it out and it starts to grow roots.
Over all the growth might be a bit slower in the first 12 months but if you don't have rooted stock on hand you will have to wait for it to root anyway so then the growth rate would be faster on the graft done on unrooted stock.
The other great thing about grafting this way is you can knock out a few grafts wait a few weeks to make sure they are all good package them up and send them of to your mates all they have to do when they recieve them is plant into a pot and wait for them to grow.
Sending a graft and not having to deal with soil and roots worrying about the roots getting damaged and rotting even a cacti noob can grow lophs this way. 
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: GoOnThen]
#15753467 - 02/02/12 07:19 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Okay ill do that . Ill need to cut the tbm back to the core before i graft. Another question, how clean does everything have to be? I dont have rubbing alcohol or anything alike
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15753501 - 02/02/12 07:28 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Have vodka or rum? That will work too.
The method I was suggestion works best with two stocks because you'll have two portions of scion to graft, but you can just graft it straight on top. Success rate is a little lower with the tip on top method.
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15753504 - 02/02/12 07:29 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Using a brand new blade (like a box cutter knife) out of the packet should be clean enough, but some do wipe with peroxide/alcohol before each cut (if you use alcohol or something, make sure the blade is completely dry before the cut because the alcohol can damage the cacti tissue). Generally if both pieces are disease free, no rots, then you might get away without having to sterilise. Then again, those box cutting blades are so cheap you could use one for cutting the stock and one for the scion. Oh and wash/dry your hands thoroughly before you start. Best of luck!
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Mufungo]
#15753531 - 02/02/12 07:37 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Have vodka or rum? That will work too.
The method I was suggestion works best with two stocks because you'll have two portions of scion to graft, but you can just graft it straight on top. Success rate is a little lower with the tip on top method.
I have some bunderberg rum, 46% alcohol, is that fine?
If i cut the stock in half, do i use the wedge method to graft? or can i just split the tbm in half?
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Using a brand new blade (like a box cutter knife) out of the packet should be clean enough, but some do wipe with peroxide/alcohol before each cut (if you use alcohol or something, make sure the blade is completely dry before the cut because the alcohol can damage the cacti tissue). Generally if both pieces are disease free, no rots, then you might get away without having to sterilise. Then again, those box cutting blades are so cheap you could use one for cutting the stock and one for the scion. Oh and wash/dry your hands thoroughly before you start. Best of luck!
cheers! i have a brand new kitchen knife in the original box unopened!
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15753564 - 02/02/12 07:45 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Yes, that will work just fine.
Don't cut the stock in half especially for your first graft. Cut the tip like shown in the linked pictorial.
You can cut the TBM in half lengthwise like I suggested in the other thread, but unless you graft both onto their own stocks you'll have to bin one of the halves. You can just graft the TBM pup you have upright. That's what I'd go for if you only have one stock.
A kitchen knife works. Remember to make a continuous single slicing motion so that you don't crush the vascular connections. You can also break apart a small disposable razor blade and harvest the very thin razor blades out of that to cut the TBM and top slice off the stock with.
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15753604 - 02/02/12 07:54 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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You do need to be clean. The most important things with grafting is a sharp blade or knife and it needs to be sharp and it needs to be cleaned after each cut with methylated spirits or isopropyl alcohol and dry so as not to contaminate the cut.
You must put a fair amount of pressure on the graft which is quite easy when grafting loph buttons but will be a bit harder with your tbm.
You will need to make sure you apply even down wood pressure so it doesn't lift on one side.
If you want send me your email addy by PM and I will send you Teo's grafting book which you will find very handy.
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: GoOnThen]
#15753641 - 02/02/12 08:02 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Haha don't mind me I am supposed to be working and the phone, staff and customers keep interrupting me while I was trying to reply. 
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: GoOnThen]
#15754190 - 02/02/12 10:40 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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If you guys haven't exchanged emails yet. We have Teo's small book of grafting stored here for downloading.>>link
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: karode13]
#15757343 - 02/03/12 05:58 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Hey guys im going to go ahead with the graft this afternoon hopefully. I have just one more question. Can i cut enough off the top for planting? Or should i just use the whole stock? I really want to plant some
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15757430 - 02/03/12 06:16 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Higher for a graft. The lower you go, the more woody the tissue becomes, which reduces the success of a graft. Not recommended for a first graft.
Cut about an inch down. I'd still plant the tip even if it's an inch high. But the smaller the tip, the longer it takes to root. 1 inch tip might take 6 - 12 months to root.
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15757456 - 02/03/12 06:19 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Is that ~10 cm? With a stock that looks plump like that you can most likely get away with cutting that far down that as long as you bevel well.
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Mufungo]
#15757490 - 02/03/12 06:26 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Im not sure how thick it is since im at work, ill measure it when i get home. But yeah it should be about 10cms
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Higher for a graft. The lower you go, the more woody the tissue becomes, which reduces the success of a graft. Not recommended for a first graft.
Cut about an inch down. I'd still plant the tip even if it's an inch high. But the smaller the tip, the longer it takes to root. 1 inch tip might take 6 - 12 months to root.
Its a fairly big stock, i dont think it will matter much?
I dont like trying to root tiny cuttings... they take too long. I have had this thing for a ages, no roots as of yet but im hoping for the best
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15757616 - 02/03/12 06:44 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Fair enough.
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Mufungo]
#15758127 - 02/03/12 09:01 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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does this look ok? Where should i put it while it takes?
also, what will happen if the tbm core isn't directly on the bridgesii core? I tried to match them up as best as i could
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: Locky]
#15758142 - 02/03/12 09:05 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Looks okay. I'm worried about stock shrinkage. I'd put another band perpendicular to the one you already have on there for even pressure. You could even put a third one on if you'd like.
As for alignment don't worry about it, it's best to have the cores a little offset instead of trying to align them perfectly. There's a graphic somewhere that illustrates good and bad alignment. I think you can find it in teo's grafting book.
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Re: Would this be an okay grafting stock once rooted? [Re: naum]
#15758198 - 02/03/12 09:18 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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done
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