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Why would I want my ego to die???
#15747154 - 02/01/12 11:29 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

I'm kinda put off by the whole thing. Like, we are social animals. We live in a society that exists on relationships. Most people are not "enlightened" and haven't taken psychedelics. Most people have egos. They judge others on their egos.

To be a participate, you need a rather successful ego no? I mean most people probably can't empathize with "enlightened" people. They will just look at you like :confused:

??? "No ambition? No Success? Man this guy is not good breeding material. I'll find someone else! I don't want to hang around with this guy, bad influence?"

My ambition is pretty important to me. I have tripped (low/moderate dose) twice and it emerged unscathed. I'm not materialistic, if anything I have a deep seated hatred to anything my inutition tells me is superficial. And yet, I still feel money is so important to have. That accomplishments in life bring a lot of value, even if they do cause a lot of distress.

I want a conversation! Maybe I am wrong.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747191 - 02/01/12 11:40 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Most people are not "enlightened" and haven't taken psychedelics

Are you implying a relationship?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747201 - 02/01/12 11:42 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

i think of ego as how i view my self, and my selfworth to the community, not necessarrily how rich i am. of course being rich carries a more confident ego or a very very low ego.

money is important to have. its only a natural instinct to want something that is necessary to survive in this world. being rich is another thing compared to getting by and also having a job you want to do.

me personally, i dont think i got a ego, im a depressed 19 year old, i have been depressed for about 3 years now. i notice the pessimistic view of me. people dont realize that its hard to be positive when you dont see shit positive. im not used to it, so for me its a idea that happens every now in then, but even when i do smile i just want to look down because its easier and honestly more pleasurable in a sad way. but then i would be taking away from life. i guess im a actor.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: yoimjohn]
#15747228 - 02/01/12 11:50 AM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Are you implying a relationship?

Yeah, there seems to be a connection with enlightenment and psychedelics. And most people haven't taken psychedelics, ergo most people aren't enlightened. Most people aren't budhist monks either.

I'm making the point that, if the meaning of life is to have the best life, and the best life is one with the strongest relationships and highest self esteem, the most accomplishments...maybe a HEALTHY ego is a good thing to have.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15747257 - 02/01/12 12:03 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Money does make things easier.

Society has a way of pressuring people to be contributers, to rise up the ranks, to have influence, and fancy things. There is also the evolutionary component of survival of the fittest and money and social power are among the most powerful weapons any organism has had yet. It makes sense in many ways to pursue such things.

But what use are any of those things if you can be happy without them (beyond baseline)? People dont want to be losers, but in the end we all lose the same, so what does it matter? What matters is your experiance, if money and success will lead you to having a good experiance you should do it. In the end your mind is the only thing you can control, leaving your happiness (or whatever way you want to feel) to be blown in the winds of the external is a hard way to go about it IMO. That right there is the problem I have with materialism. The external should be secondary to the internal.

Now I dont see why money/success and ego loss are incompatible, everybody needs a hobby, why not make it a profitable one? Put another way, its good to own nice things, but bad to let those things own you.

Also the ego is more then money, its who you are. IMO ego loss is when you can objectively look at your life and whats important and change for the better without unnesesary attachment. It translates a bit different with psyches but I think this is the actual mechanism-type-thing, with spiritual experiances one becomes one with the Universe and from that perspective they see themselves in this objective way and thats enlightenment for some.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747262 - 02/01/12 12:04 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Yeah, there seems to be a connection with enlightenment and psychedelics.

Not in my experience. Perhaps you would care to expound on this.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15747289 - 02/01/12 12:11 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

I think many people confuse a perceptual change with "enlightenment".

To paraphrase "the Bard" - 'the price of enlightenment is alienation.'.

It is a trade off you make: fit into the pre-fabricated mould, or step outside it and necessarily become an outcast to an extent.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15747309 - 02/01/12 12:15 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Yeah, there seems to be a connection with enlightenment and psychedelics.

Not in my experience. Perhaps you would care to expound on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death#Methods_of_inducing_the_experience

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Many methods, practices, or experiences may induce this state, including prayer, sleep deprivation, fasting, meditation practice, ingestion of psychedelic drugs or through the use of an isolation tank.

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but in the end we all lose the same, so what does it matter?

Thats interesting. My understanding is nothing matters except what matters for the short period before you lose everytihng. Just because accomplishment is not eternal does not mean it does not improve your life for a short time. And even a year of great benefits in a life time is proportionatly a lot.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747327 - 02/01/12 12:19 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

So the experiance is all that matters, which translates to memories, which is then observed through ones mind. Like I said, what if you can have all those great feelings and cut out the middle man, seems more efficient and reliable then basing your worth on things you can lose in an instant, and if you loose your mind whats it matter?

But here I am assuming happiness and contentment is what you are after with these ambitions which could be way off, so let me ask you what is the end goal of your ambition?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747428 - 02/01/12 12:44 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Your reading ability seems to be lacking. The Wiki article mentions nothing about enlightenment. Try again.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: sk8ordude]
#15747442 - 02/01/12 12:46 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

Well its more complex

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So the experiance is all that matters, which translates to memories, which is then observed through ones mind. Like I said, what if you can have all those great feelings and cut out the middle man, seems more efficient and reliable then basing your worth on things you can lose in an instant, and if you loose your mind whats it matter?

But here I am assuming happiness and contentment is what you are after with these ambitions which could be way off, so let me ask you what is the end goal of your ambition?

Well its more complex then that. My ambition is to improve the value of my life with greater goods than the small-potato goods.

I mean anyone who wishes to live a happy life can do so merely by, say, eating(cheaply), drinking (cheaply), being married, having sex with your wife, eating yummy ice cream...average job with lots of hours (Life A)

But compare that to a life, where you have both a fufiling (you love working) AND very high salary job.

So then you can raise what you actually do to, eating the BEST food that you love, having as much recreational time as you desire, being wanted by the opposite sex, having enough free time to cultivate stronger connections with people, being able to travel the world, being able to purchase ( to a degree ) a healthy life for you and the people you love.. (Life B)

Now if success was gurrenteed, MOST people would choose LIFE B!
It just feels like to me like a better life...more abundance and more TIME to do the things you love.

It seems as easy as being offered $5 dollars and $10 dollars..$10 dollars is just much more valuable.

So being ambitious to me is not just pursing, things that will ultimately lead to what you could have gotten anyway.. Its actually much more authentic then that, if you have your goals right. Its not just a middle man, there are some things you cannot ever experiance with out SOME accomplishments. Its not superficial.

At least if you think Life B is actually better than Life A. Your Life A and B may be different from mine but I hope you get the idea.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15747450 - 02/01/12 12:48 PM (3 months, 26 days ago)

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Your reading ability seems to be lacking. The Wiki article mentions nothing about enlightenment. Try again.

Thanks for the insult. Maybe I have Ego death and Enlightenment confused, but I figured they were the same.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747485 - 02/01/12 12:59 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

OP it sounds like thats the path you want to take, if you are stoked on your position and direction, I dont see a problem.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: sk8ordude]
#15747500 - 02/01/12 01:03 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

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OP it sounds like thats the path you want to take, if you are stoked on your position and direction, I dont see a problem.

Well I don't know everything haha. I could be totally wrong in my views. Thats why I like listening to others opinions like yours.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]

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#15747538 - 02/01/12 01:13 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

I wasn't being sarcastic, I really mean it. I see the world as an incredibly negative place, with the one light being the state of being stoked. Being stoked and helping others get stoked is what its about for me.

With heavy materialism, I see a problem where people elevate the external to the point of making or breaking their own worth, which can comprimise their state of stoked. Likewise I see no reason to completely forsake the external if one thinks they are enlightened, like OK your enlightened now what? With alot of money and power I could I could create a lot of stoked-ness for alot of people and animals too, theres a lot of time in a day.

Basically do what makes you stoked.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15748036 - 02/01/12 03:31 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

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Thanks for the insult. Maybe I have Ego death and Enlightenment confused

You find a correct observation to be pejorative and reply with false gratitude. How does that work?

Your shining beacon seems rather weak.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15749687 - 02/01/12 09:30 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

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Thanks for the insult. Maybe I have Ego death and Enlightenment confused

You find a correct observation to be perjorative and reply with false gratitude. How does that work?

Your shining beacon seems rather weak.

You reek of insecurity...

And just so you know is pejorative not peRjorative

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15749899 - 02/01/12 10:28 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

Cool, I learned something. :thumbup:

I wonder why are you so reactive. One need not experience ego death to have some semblance of emotional control.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15749938 - 02/01/12 10:38 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

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Cool, I learned something.

I wonder why are you so reactive. One need not experience ego death to have some semblance of emotional control.

I wonder why your so cryptic!

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15749981 - 02/01/12 10:52 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

I was really interested in this thread topic--totally derailed at this point. I've often pondered this myself. I feel ego suppression may be a better term..that is how Terrence McKenna put it, atleast. I do not feel that it is quite as black and white as ego death...It might be true 'ego death' (considering ego death is a very loose term) during the trip, but I believe at least part of it returns after the trip is done. Okay first of all- Let's define the ego. Thread back on track?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15750002 - 02/01/12 11:02 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

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To be a participate, you need a rather successful ego no? I mean most people probably can't empathize with "enlightened" people. They will just look at you like ??? "No ambition? No Success? Man this guy is not good breeding material. I'll find someone else! I don't want to hang around with this guy, bad influence?".

I don't know about 'ambition' per se (although he did accomplish more than most men could ever hope to in a million life times) but I have heard the Bodhisattva was quite a social and funny person. Very fun and enlightening :laugh2:

to be around. He enjoyed and loved the essence of life.

I suspect it might be the opposite of what you stated- an enlightened one can truly enjoy the company of other people and see what is valuable in each and every interaction- can enjoy life from so many facets and perspectives that social interactions are definitely apart of an enlightened one's life but not the social bullshit games we like to call social interaction.

Also, I do not know how you gauge success but becoming enlightened is probably a pretty big success (And you seem to believe in such a thing as you stated in your original post).

Here's a question: If you couldn't interact well socially would you sacrifice that for enlightenment? or would you say fuck it and have some fun and forget about all the spiritual shit?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15750526 - 02/02/12 04:21 AM (3 months, 25 days ago)

equates with sexual congress,
it just does

and why would you want to fuck?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: CheesePlease]
#15750876 - 02/02/12 07:37 AM (3 months, 25 days ago)

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tempusvita said:
To be a participate, you need a rather successful ego no? I mean most people probably can't empathize with "enlightened" people. They will just look at you like ??? "No ambition? No Success? Man this guy is not good breeding material. I'll find someone else! I don't want to hang around with this guy, bad influence?".

I don't know about 'ambition' per se (although he did accomplish more than most men could ever hope to in a million life times) but I have heard the Bodhisattva was quite a social and funny person. Very fun and enlightening to be around. He enjoyed and loved the essence of life.

I suspect it might be the opposite of what you stated- an enlightened one can truly enjoy the company of other people and see what is valuable in each and every interaction- can enjoy life from so many facets and perspectives that social interactions are definitely apart of an enlightened one's life but not the social bullshit games we like to call social interaction.

Also, I do not know how you gauge success but becoming enlightened is probably a pretty big success (And you seem to believe in such a thing as you stated in your original post).

Here's a question: If you couldn't interact well socially would you sacrifice that for enlightenment? or would you say fuck it and have some fun and forget about all the spiritual shit?

Good point! I see that I'm wrong..

I'd sacrifice it for enlightenment, at least my understanding of what it is.. very good point.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15755448 - 02/03/12 09:53 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

most issues pertaining to ego emerge noticeably as difficulty in social contexts, at the same time, social aptitude is a function of ego.
practicing humility, compassion and general selflessness, modifies the ego, does not eliminate it.
on the other hand,
transcending ego by exploring mind states (including psychedelia) provides a valuable perspective shift to facilitate any existing commitment (if you are so inclined) to changing the ego into something more reliable/sympatico in life.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: redgreenvines]
#15755466 - 02/03/12 10:00 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

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most issues pertaining to ego emerge noticeably as difficulty in social contexts, at the same time, social aptitude is a function of ego.
practicing humility, compassion and general selflessness, modifies the ego, does not eliminate it.
on the other hand,
transcending ego by exploring mind states (including psychedelia) provides a valuable perspective shift to facilitate any existing commitment (if you are so inclined) to changing the ego into something more reliable/sympatico in life.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: redgreenvines]
#15755520 - 02/03/12 10:20 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

What would you say about a person's ego who feels the need to write perjorative PMs to someone because they are unable to properly debate and are totally reactive?

If, instead of lashing out, such a person practiced self control... but that would take maturity. :ohwell:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15755552 - 02/03/12 10:27 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

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What would you say about a person's ego who feels the need to write perjorative PMs to someone because they are unable to properly debate and are totally reactive?

If, instead of lashing out, such a person practiced self control... but that would take maturity.

some relationships are like that
like hitting your head against a wall.
then someone moves the fucking wall and you don't know what to do with yourself.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: redgreenvines]
#15755559 - 02/03/12 10:28 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

I fucking hate damned wall-movers! :mad2:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15755589 - 02/03/12 10:36 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

PeRjorative?

Its pejorative.

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Are you saying that an inability to properly use words has nothing to do with intelligence?

Your inability to spell says a lot about your intelligence.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15756251 - 02/03/12 01:38 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

ouch.

But we already knew OC ain't the brightest star in the sky. :satansmoking:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15756258 - 02/03/12 01:41 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

^^^^ edited

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15756304 - 02/03/12 01:56 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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ouch.

But we already knew OC ain't the brightest star in the sky.

The brightest burn out the fastestist. I am in it for the long haul.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15756311 - 02/03/12 01:58 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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Your inability to spell says a lot about your intelligence.

*the fish quickly rises to the bait*

That's directly opposed to what you stated earlier.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15756379 - 02/03/12 02:16 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

I edit my post for a "for dummies" effect. I guess you didn't even get that. I included your quote. Do you think you are dumb because you misspelled pejorative twice? I don't, but by your logic your an idiot and a hypocrite.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15756470 - 02/03/12 02:40 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

Beats me, why would anyone? I don't think the point is killing anything, but recognizing what it is, and that it is not what you are in totality or even a fraction of it.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15756498 - 02/03/12 02:43 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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Do you think you are dumb because you misspelled pejorative twice?

I didn't want to commit pejury. :wink:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15756752 - 02/03/12 03:42 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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Do you think you are dumb because you misspelled pejorative twice?

I didn't want to commit pejury.

I knew you would say something like that to change the subject and ignore the fact that by your own words (not mine) your both ignorant and a hypocrite.

Ignorant (by your words not mine) because you made the point in the other thread that not using words in the correct way is a reflection of low intelligence.

And a hypocrite for correcting other peoples words in a arrogant manner when you yourself can't even spell pejorative. You misspelled it twice. That's a reflection of your intelligence.

Being ignorant is pretty bad. Being ignorant by the standards one arrogantly reprimands others by is the lowest of lows and hypocritical.

But I don't think your ignorant. You do.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15756775 - 02/03/12 03:48 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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But I don't think ~~your~~ ignorant.

you're

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15756809 - 02/03/12 03:56 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

I dont give a shit about spelling or grammar on a internet forum (as I've said before), thanks

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15758794 - 02/04/12 01:01 AM (3 months, 23 days ago)

ego death is bullshit.
the psychedelic experience is bullshit.
stop trying to find meaning where there is none.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: blingbling]
#15759321 - 02/04/12 07:09 AM (3 months, 23 days ago)

I disagree. The psychedelic experience is no bullshit. It's just not what it's hyped to be.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: blingbling]
#15760435 - 02/04/12 01:03 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

haven't you heard that the man who discovered the double helix was dosing himself with LSD to increase his brain power?

ego death is fun and terrifying and if more people tried it we'd all get along a lot better

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#15760443 - 02/04/12 01:06 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

Breaks down the walls and tears down your high horse. Makes you a better person i guess.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Luueschen]
#15760535 - 02/04/12 01:28 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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haven't you heard that the man who discovered the double helix was dosing himself with LSD to increase his brain power?

So his 12 years of school and and a decade of research played no part?

What amazing discovery to benefit all of mankind came to you while tripping?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]

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#15760574 - 02/04/12 01:37 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

The making me happy making another person happy because i'm happy domino effect?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: King Klick]
#15760913 - 02/04/12 02:55 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

I always find people who believe themselves to have no ego, tend to have the biggest ego's of all. It is not possible to not have an ego, only to limit it. In my opinion claiming to be enlightened is massive amount of fuel for ones ego. I also tend to notice psycadelic users have some of the biggest egos around 'i.e I hate consumerism, I am pro environment etc.' These are all constructions of ones egos, the need to project these ideas to everyone else is a magnification of that ego far greater than the common consumerist societial based humanoid.

I also believe anyone who takes any position of public importance requires an ego, otherwise people would have nothing to follow. In my personal opinion, the problem is that hippy and new age people believe the ego to be a bad thing, when it is just a part of human existence.

If one were to ever truely loose their ego, you would never know, because claiming to have no ego would only be a statement to pad the ego they apparently do not have.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Jwlst]
#15761272 - 02/04/12 04:29 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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I always find people who believe themselves to have no ego, tend to have the biggest ego's of all. It is not possible to not have an ego, only to limit it. In my opinion claiming to be enlightened is massive amount of fuel for ones ego. I also tend to notice psycadelic users have some of the biggest egos around 'i.e I hate consumerism, I am pro environment etc.' These are all constructions of ones egos, the need to project these ideas to everyone else is a magnification of that ego far greater than the common consumerist societial based humanoid.

I also believe anyone who takes any position of public importance requires an ego, otherwise people would have nothing to follow. In my personal opinion, the problem is that hippy and new age people believe the ego to be a bad thing, when it is just a part of human existence.

If one were to ever truely loose their ego, you would never know, because claiming to have no ego would only be a statement to pad the ego they apparently do not have.

I agree, the more and more I read, the more I agree with this ^

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In my personal opinion, the problem is that hippy and new age people believe the ego to be a bad thing, when it is just a part of human existence.

Especially this. I think its important to have a HEALTHY ego.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15761335 - 02/04/12 04:41 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

When the ego(thoughts) subside into the feeling of being, there is peace and spontaneous happiness. It is rest, conscious sleep, better than unconscious sleep. When the thoughts return they will be clearer and as there will be no individual problems there will be no qualms, only peace.

---What amazing discovery to benefit all of mankind came to you while tripping

I had a discovery that the purpose of life is to Love, every person that re-discovers this and acts on it helps all of mankind. This is far more important than the latest scientific discoveries, it actually brings happiness. It's the mind that seeks discoveries, which can be interesting, but the natural state of feeling is far superior, and brings the world greater happiness.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15761356 - 02/04/12 04:46 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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haven't you heard that the man who discovered the double helix was dosing himself with LSD to increase his brain power?

ego death is fun and terrifying and if more people tried it we'd all get along a lot better

go hit a sheet of acid and tell me how much extra brain power you have.

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I disagree. The psychedelic experience is no bullshit. It's just not what it's hyped to be.

i agree but i think this place is so full of hype that it's worth calling psychedelics bullshit just to even the keel.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15762924 - 02/05/12 12:23 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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I'm kinda put off by the whole thing. Like, we are social animals. We live in a society that exists on relationships. Most people are not "enlightened" and haven't taken psychedelics. Most people have egos. They judge others on their egos.

To be a participate, you need a rather successful ego no? I mean most people probably can't empathize with "enlightened" people. They will just look at you like ??? "No ambition? No Success? Man this guy is not good breeding material. I'll find someone else! I don't want to hang around with this guy, bad influence?"

My ambition is pretty important to me. I have tripped (low/moderate dose) twice and it emerged unscathed. I'm not materialistic, if anything I have a deep seated hatred to anything my inutition tells me is superficial. And yet, I still feel money is so important to have. That accomplishments in life bring a lot of value, even if they do cause a lot of distress.

I want a conversation! Maybe I am wrong.

In the words of terrance mckenna the ego is like a cyst a percales tumor that grows and grows in the absence of hallucinogenics.And you have to ask yourself do you want your ego to block your view of wrong things in your life and parts that need improvement, if we have to much ego sometimes we ignore our faults

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
#15763644 - 02/05/12 08:28 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

I think Napoleon Bonaparte was the greatest man who has ever lived, followed by Julius Caesar and Howard Hughes.

They all had egos!

I mean you have to have an ego to make yourself Emperor of the French, Dictator perpetuo, or have the "fastest airplanes, make the best movies and be the richest man in the world"

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15763702 - 02/05/12 08:44 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

How could a short little undersized fart with delusions of grander be the greatest man who ever lived? :confused:

Plus he kept his hand in his shirt instead of his shorts where it belonged.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15763743 - 02/05/12 09:01 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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How could a short little undersized fart with delusions of grander be the greatest man who ever lived?

Plus he kept his hand in his shirt instead of his shorts where it belonged.

An ignorant person can criticize anything. You have never read about him in depth.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15763753 - 02/05/12 09:04 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15763786 - 02/05/12 09:15 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?

What a fucking stupid statement. I'm not basing my judgement off of things I know about him personally because obviously I did not know him personally and I don't need to for the sort of judgement I'm passing. I don't know Maria Teresa personally but I can still think she is a great woman by her actions that I know. I don't know Ghandi personally but I think he is a great man for his strong ethics that I do know about. What a stupid, retarded statement. If you took your argument to the extreme you could say that about any judgement about anyone!

"Gee Hitler was a bad guy"

Icelander "NO NO NO DID YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY?! DID YOU READ HIZ THOUGHTZ LOLOLOL?! DID YOU KNOW HIM WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD?!?!? WERE YOU WITH HIM WHEN HE TOOK SHITS?!?!"

What fucking idiotic statement

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15763824 - 02/05/12 09:28 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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haven't you heard that the man who discovered the double helix was dosing himself with LSD to increase his brain power?

So his 12 years of school and and a decade of research played no part?

What amazing discovery to benefit all of mankind came to you while tripping?

It is true that Francis Crick discovered the Double Helix structure, or rather, he saw it in his mind's eye when under the influence of LSD.
"Francis Crick, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago."

"Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize."

http://www.hallucinogens.com/lsd/francis-crick.html

I don't like the terminology 'brain power' by any means-In my opinion, there is no increase in 'brain power'- although, I would say that it can allow you to utilize your brain power in different and unique manners- resulting in increased creativity, inspiration, 'moments of clarity', etc.

I do not think he was alleging that Crick's education, research and intelligence played no part- of course it did..I think it was more like LSD helped him use these tools better...you can read Crick's account he certainly seemed to think it played a large role in his most important discovery.

Back on topic- SeriouslySpaced- I've heard McKenna's views on ego suppression (as opposed to ego 'death')..and I totally agree, although I had never heard that analogy- excellent example

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15764396 - 02/05/12 12:31 PM (3 months, 22 days ago)

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An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?

What a fucking stupid statement. I'm not basing my judgement off of things I know about him personally because obviously I did not know him personally and I don't need to for the sort of judgement I'm passing. I don't know Maria Teresa personally but I can still think she is a great woman by her actions that I know. I don't know Ghandi personally but I think he is a great man for his strong ethics that I do know about. What a stupid, retarded statement. If you took your argument to the extreme you could say that about any judgement about anyone!

"Gee Hitler was a bad guy"

Icelander "NO NO NO DID YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY?! DID YOU READ HIZ THOUGHTZ LOLOLOL?! DID YOU KNOW HIM WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD?!?!? WERE YOU WITH HIM WHEN HE TOOK SHITS?!?!"

What fucking idiotic statement

Do you get some emotional benefit from coming apart at the seems anytime anyone disagrees with something you say?

Face facts. We cannot really know the quality of another to any real extent without personal and usually long term interaction with them. I suppose you believe that jesus said all those things attributed to him in the bible. And Mother T. doesn't come off very well with many people who make some pretty good points if true. But there really is no way to know. It's all guessing.

Carry on and keep :hissyfit:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15764734 - 02/05/12 02:13 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?

What a fucking stupid statement. I'm not basing my judgement off of things I know about him personally because obviously I did not know him personally and I don't need to for the sort of judgement I'm passing. I don't know Maria Teresa personally but I can still think she is a great woman by her actions that I know. I don't know Ghandi personally but I think he is a great man for his strong ethics that I do know about. What a stupid, retarded statement. If you took your argument to the extreme you could say that about any judgement about anyone!

"Gee Hitler was a bad guy"

Icelander "NO NO NO DID YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY?! DID YOU READ HIZ THOUGHTZ LOLOLOL?! DID YOU KNOW HIM WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD?!?!? WERE YOU WITH HIM WHEN HE TOOK SHITS?!?!"

What fucking idiotic statement

Do you get some emotional benefit from coming apart at the seems anytime anyone disagrees with something you say?

Face facts. We cannot really know the quality of another to any real extent without personal and usually long term interaction with them. I suppose you believe that jesus said all those things attributed to him in the bible. And Mother T. doesn't come off very well with many people who make some pretty good points if true. But there really is no way to know. It's all guessing.

Carry on and keep

Correction. You have to read the minds of someone from birth till death to REALLY know their quality. Right? I mean if we are drawing the lines at extremes why not go all the way.

I mean throw the verdict out on Hitler, forget his observable actions.

Like, how can we throw murderers in jail if we haven't even had "personal and usually long term interaction with them" ?!?!?!?

Who are we to say child molestors are bad people if we haven't had deep and long conversations about them over the course of several years!!?!?!

You say so much stupid shit, and I am fucking appalled someone can actually spell and come up with the retarded shit you say. Honestly. It took me five minutes with my draw dropped to actually understand the depth of stupidity in your post. Jesus christ. My 8 year old brother can display better critical thinking abilities. Holy fuck.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15764756 - 02/05/12 02:20 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Btw, what is a "draw dropped" :confused:

It took me five minutes with my draw dropped
And swearing so much is not a good reflection on your emotional self control which you seem not to have much of at all. A chill pill would do you some good. :feelsweirdman:

But at least we now agree that you really can't know another even a little bit unless you spend some real time hanging out with them. What one reads in a book may or may not reflect reality. Like that Jesus thing I mentioned. He might not have done or said any of that stuff. Of course someone like you might believe it just because it's in a book and some priest agrees. :pope:

Carry on dude.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15764796 - 02/05/12 02:31 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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nd swearing so much is not a good reflection on your emotional self control which you seem not to have much of at all. A chill pill would do you some good.

And I'd give a shit why?

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But at least we now agree that you really can't know another even a little bit unless you spend some real time hanging out with them.

I disagree completely. You can't really know someone even if you spend 50 years with them. That's ridiculous. Someone can spend years with themselves and not even know themselves.

Your saying I am making a WILD guess when I say Hitler was a bad dude, because I didn't know him.

I don't actually have to know someone who murdered millions of innocent people to say he is a bad dude. I can just look at the fact that he murdered millions of innocent people.

It wouldn't be a wild guess.

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What one reads in a book may or may not reflect reality. Like that Jesus thing I mentioned. He might not have done any of that stuff.

Yes, because the Bible is entirely the same as a well written, earnest, historical biography done with primary sources :rolleyes:

. I am not saying a biography is 100% accurate. It is probably 80% - 50% accurate. But you can make evaluations to a limited degree with that 50%.

Nobody knows what Napoleon felt on the eve of Austerlitz, but the general scheme of the battle is historical fact.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15764938 - 02/05/12 03:05 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

And I'd give a shit why?

True, most people without emotional control don't give a shit.

You can't really know someone even if you spend 50 years with them.

I didn't say really know them I said "know them a little bit" :shrug:

I can just look at the fact that he murdered millions of innocent people.

Hitler didn't murder any of them to my knowledge. Others, of their own free will did that. And I also don't know that all those people were innocent. See this is exactly what I'm getting at. You assume you know more than you actually do. (imo)

It is probably 80% - 50% accurate. But you can make evaluations to a limited degree with that 50%.

Well how do you know you are evaluating on the % that is correct. You're guessing. Maybe a lot of confusion and even harm is caused in the world by that kind of guessing.

But it the end it's much ado about nothing imo. Trying to decide if mother T was really a saint or instead a slightly sadistic pawn of her blind faith that allowed her to care for the starving yet condemn the used of birth control which could help end that suffering. Really you or I will never know.

Personally I don't agree with you that Napoleon was a great man much less possibly one of the greatest but I'm not going out on a limb on that one. I really don't know.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15764989 - 02/05/12 03:18 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Hitler didn't murder any of them to my knowledge. Others, of their own free will did that. And I also don't know that all those people were innocent. See this is exactly what I'm getting at. You assume you know more than you actually do. (imo)

Read up on the Nuremberg trials.

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Well how do you know you are evaluating on the % that is correct. You're guessing. Maybe a lot of confusion and even harm is caused in the world by that kind of guessing.

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Trying to decide if mother T was really a saint or instead a slightly sadistic pawn of her blind faith that allowed her to care for the starving yet condemn the used of birth control which could help end that suffering.

Suffer fools gladly I guess.

I am really curious, how old are you? Whats your education? What is your career? What is your religion?

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Personally I don't agree with you that Napoleon was a great man much less possibly one of the greatest but I'm not going out on a limb on that one.

You already did.

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How could a short little undersized fart with delusions of grander be the greatest man who ever lived?

It's a matter of personal opinion. I couldn't give a shit. But you obviously have not read anything deeper than a high school text book about the man, and for someone who is bitching about how I can't pass judgement on someone that I don't really know PERSONALLY FOR A LONG PERIOD of time I have to say that is quite a astonishing contradiction you have managed to pull off. The stupidest thing you have done so far.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765023 - 02/05/12 03:27 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Read up on the Nuremberg trials.

Do they provide proof that Hitler killed all those people himself or in reality did lots of others do it. ?

I am really curious, how old are you? Whats your education? What is your career? What is your religion?

This is going go help you know who I am?

I'm older than you, I went to college, I'm retired and a financial success way before the age of 62, I don't buy into religion. Hope this helps.

As to Napoleon I didn't say he wasn't the greatest man ever I asked how he could be? It was a question based on some things I've heard about him. Of course I wasn't sure enough to make a definitive statement about him so I asked you a question instead. I did notice you didn't answer.

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#15765050 - 02/05/12 03:34 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Do they provide proof that Hitler killed all those people himself or in reality did lots of others do it. ?

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As to Napoleon I didn't say he wasn't the greatest man ever I asked how he could be? It was a question based on some things I've heard about him. Of course I wasn't sure enough to make a definitive statement about him so I asked you a question instead. I did notice you didn't answer.

A loaded question given your description. Can I ask, did you know him personally? How do you REALLY know he was a short fart with delusions of grandeur (to use your retarded logic against you)

Did you read it some where? Do you believe everything you read? So you must believe in Jesus then huh?

See how fucking stupid you sound?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765101 - 02/05/12 03:47 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Both. Read it before you say Hitler had nothing to do with it, or even did not share a great degree of responsibility. And I have to say you must be a very sheltered person to play with the idea that anything less then a huge majority of the people murdered in the Holocaust were innocent. Many were children.

Let's stay on topic here, you said he murdered them I say others did that physical act as far as I know. I said nothing about him trying to influence these murderous acts by German soldiers, who imo, if they did it are murderers. My real condemnation would have to go to those actually murdering someone rather than someone telling them they should. If you were to say someone should go kill some people I'd hardly call you a murderer. In fact I'd guess many people have said such things without acting on it. Hitler could have told me all day long to murder Jews and I wouldn't have done it.

Once again I asked a question because I didn't know. Had I known that stuff I've heard and read was true I wouldn't have phrased it as a question. The little I have read and heard about him hasn't impressed me as him being great but who knows?

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#15765129 - 02/05/12 03:53 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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As to Napoleon I didn't say he wasn't the greatest man ever I asked how he could be? It was a question based on some things I've heard about him. Of course I wasn't sure enough to make a definitive statement about him so I asked you a question instead. I did notice you didn't answer.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765147 - 02/05/12 03:58 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

No

Now how about answering some of my questions which you always seem to avoid.

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How could a short little undersized fart with delusions of grander be the greatest man who ever lived?

"The British Tory press sometimes depicted Napoleon as much smaller than average height, and this image persists. Confusion about his height also results from the difference between the French pouce and British inch—2.71 and 2.54 cm respectively; he was about 1.7 metres (5 ft 7 in) tall, average height for the period."

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An ignorant person can also support anything. Did you actually know him or do you believe everything you read?

What a fucking stupid statement. I'm not basing my judgement off of things I know about him personally because obviously I did not know him personally and I don't need to for the sort of judgement I'm passing. I don't know Maria Teresa personally but I can still think she is a great woman by her actions that I know. I don't know Ghandi personally but I think he is a great man for his strong ethics that I do know about. What a stupid, retarded statement. If you took your argument to the extreme you could say that about any judgement about anyone!

"Gee Hitler was a bad guy"

Icelander "NO NO NO DID YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY?! DID YOU READ HIZ THOUGHTZ LOLOLOL?! DID YOU KNOW HIM WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD?!?!? WERE YOU WITH HIM WHEN HE TOOK SHITS?!?!"

What fucking idiotic statement

over reaction much? :meltdown:

I am really curious, how old are you? Whats your education? What is your career? What is your religion?

this made me want to vomit. are some kind of elitist who gets off on profiling people?

how about you just go somewhere else. people like you stink up the place.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Jwlst]
#15765424 - 02/05/12 05:14 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Icelander said:
How could a short little undersized fart with delusions of grander be the greatest man who ever lived?

"The British Tory press sometimes depicted Napoleon as much smaller than average height, and this image persists. Confusion about his height also results from the difference between the French pouce and British inch—2.71 and 2.54 cm respectively; he was about 1.7 metres (5 ft 7 in) tall, average height for the period."

Well there you have it. Good thing I asked a question or I might never have known. I did a little search for info and it seems there is very mixed opinions about his greatness. Some seemed to even consider him a not nice guy.
Such as this

As a french man, I remember him for his aggression and the countless people he killed. It doesn't make him any better or worse than any other ruler of the time, but to be honest I don't see why anyone should rever him or any other leader for their military conquests. He did, however, do many great things such create the lycée.

and this
for a megalomaniac, I think his heart was in the right place.

Sure, he wanted power and all that, but he also wanted order and a lot of good came out of his conquests and general governing.

He shouldnt be revered, or even liked...but he shouldnt be lumped into the category of "tyrant" or "dictator"

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#15765433 - 02/05/12 05:16 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Yep, it turns out you have to be at least average height if you want to be in the running for the title of greatest 'french man' (oxymoron?) ever.

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#15765495 - 02/05/12 05:28 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

wait a minute... i think i understand the problem!! little tempusvita has had her first menstruation... aww, how sweet :heart:

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Well there you have it. Good thing I asked a question or I might never have known. I did a little search for info and it seems there is very mixed opinions about his greatness. Some seemed to even consider him a not nice guy.
Such as this

As a french man, I remember him for his aggression and the countless people he killed. It doesn't make him any better or worse than any other ruler of the time, but to be honest I don't see why anyone should rever him or any other leader for their military conquests. He did, however, do many great things such create the lyc�e.

and this
for a megalomaniac, I think his heart was in the right place.

Sure, he wanted power and all that, but he also wanted order and a lot of good came out of his conquests and general governing.

He shouldnt be revered, or even liked...but he shouldnt be lumped into the category of "tyrant" or "dictator"

WHAT !?!

Did you know him personally for a long time?! How could you say that? Do you read it some where ? Do you believe everything you read? Do you believe in Jesus too?

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Face facts. We cannot really know the quality of another to any real extent without personal and usually long term interaction with them. I suppose you believe that jesus said all those things attributed to him in the bible. And Mother T. doesn't come off very well with many people who make some pretty good points if true. But there really is no way to know. It's all guessing.

Carry on and keep

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Face facts. We cannot really know the quality of another to any real extent without personal and usually long term interaction with them. I suppose you believe that jesus said all those things attributed to him in the bible

How can you say this, and then base your judgement on anything but knowing him personally for a long time??

Your words not mine.

Admit to the stupidity of your remarks.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765539 - 02/05/12 05:37 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

And by they way, on Napoleon, once again, you pass a judgement with a High School Text book depth.

Napoleon was in a lot of wars and killed a lot of people. But out of the 9 wars he fought a single one was started by him.

First Coalition> Monarchs of Europe to supress the French Revolution

Second Coalition> Monarchs of Europe to supress the French Revolution

War with England (1803)> started after England broke the treaty of Amiens

Third Coalition> Austria and Russia to restablish the Bourbons to the French Throne

Fourth Coalition> Started by Prussia

Invasion of Spain> Started by Napoleon

Fifth Coalition> Started by Austria

Sixth Coalition> Started after Russia broke the Treaty of Tilist

Seventh Coalition> Started by the Congress of Vienna to restore the Bourbons

He also ended Feudalism, made the first modern egalitarian code (Code Napoleon), emancipated the Jews and brought stability to France while consolidating the French Revolution.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765581 - 02/05/12 05:49 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Those quotes weren't mine. I got that off the internet and stated plainly those were others opinions about his greatness.

You seem to be seriously losing it and taking something overly serious that imo no one should give a damn about. He's dead after all. As far as I know that is. :grin:

And once again you ask me to respond when you refuse to respond to direct questions about what you say here. If I remember correctly this isn't the first thread you've taken that course. Why is that?

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#15765647 - 02/05/12 06:04 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Those quotes weren't mine. I got that off the internet and stated plainly those were others opinions about his greatness.

Oh so you

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believe that jesus said all those things attributed to him in the bible

too? Cause you are using something that you read on the internet to pass judgement. (your logic)

I am not getting past that with you. You criticized me for using books to form opinions, and equated that with believing what Jesus said in the bible. Retarded. Go back and read the begining of our conversation.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765665 - 02/05/12 06:07 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

I never stated I have formed any opinion from that. I just put them up to demonstrate that many people have differing judgments about his greatness.

Get over this crap about me having formed an opinion on this dead cat. I haven't. You on the other hand have all sorts of formed opinions and yet still refuse to answer questions about them.

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#15765685 - 02/05/12 06:13 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Get over this crap about me having formed an opinion on this dead cat. I haven't. You on the other hand have all sorts of formed opinions and yet still refuse to answer questions about them

Just admit it was a stupid remark and then include whatever you want to ask and I'll answer.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15765687 - 02/05/12 06:14 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

And frankly I don't think anyone is the greatest human. Those kinds of subjective opinions say more about the person giving them then the usually unknown person who is being called the greatest or one of the greatest.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765691 - 02/05/12 06:15 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Get over this crap about me having formed an opinion on this dead cat. I haven't. You on the other hand have all sorts of formed opinions and yet still refuse to answer questions about them

Just admit it was a stupid remark and then include whatever you want to ask and I'll answer.

So I have to bribe you by lying? Get a life. :curbyourenthusiasm:

Go back find the requests and answer or not.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15765705 - 02/05/12 06:19 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

If my calculations are correct, once this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour...we can find out the truth in no time.

But Doc, even if we do manage to go back in time to see what kind of person Napoleon was, our image of him will still be based on personal experience and therefore different to an absoloute truth about the man.

Great Scott!

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Jwlst]
#15765720 - 02/05/12 06:23 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

I would be more likely to accept that but still it's really hard to know what another's true motives are for their actions. I often have to guess at my own.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15765721 - 02/05/12 06:24 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Get over this crap about me having formed an opinion on this dead cat. I haven't. You on the other hand have all sorts of formed opinions and yet still refuse to answer questions about them

Just admit it was a stupid remark and then include whatever you want to ask and I'll answer.

So I have to bribe you by lying? Get a life.

Go back find the requests and answer or not.

Then don't ever form any sort opinions about anyone, not the President of the United States, not a child molester, no one, unless you've "gotten to know them personally for a long time".

You can't believe anything you have ever read either, because otherwise you believe in Jesus.

Your stupid ass words, not mine.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765742 - 02/05/12 06:28 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Ultimately I don't believe in anything as a certainty, including my own numerous suspicions. Were I to be sure I would have to have created all this and I didn't .

See I did believe in Jesus at one time many many years ago. I learned from that. Maybe with time and experience you'll learn things too. Could happen :shrug:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15765765 - 02/05/12 06:33 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Wow, that went over your head didn't it?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765770 - 02/05/12 06:34 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

don't think so but it's possible, explain what I missed?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15765779 - 02/05/12 06:38 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

I have finally realized why everything you say is pissing me off and your so slippery. But I won't say what because its against the forum rules.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765799 - 02/05/12 06:43 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Wow that explains everything. :curbyourenthusiasm:

Personally I would suspect any somewhat intelligent person could explain themselves and stay within the very broad forum guidelines but I don't really know you so maybe you actually can't. :shrug:

Nothing here so far has pissed me off. I'm slightly entertained is all. I'm here for entertainment purposes only. Happiness :wink:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15765820 - 02/05/12 06:47 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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Wow that explains everything.

Personally I would suspect any somewhat intelligent person could explain themselves and stay within the very broad forum guidelines but I don't really know you so maybe you actually can't.

Nothing here so far has pissed me off. I'm slightly entertained is all. I'm here for entertainment purposes only. Happiness;)

Your sharp as a tack...

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765832 - 02/05/12 06:50 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

"you're"

(last two posts) :satansmoking:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765836 - 02/05/12 06:51 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

and totally wack :crazy2:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: blingbling]
#15765841 - 02/05/12 06:53 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Not totally but fairly close. I've had 58+ years to perfect it. :lol:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15765855 - 02/05/12 06:58 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Now add in your previous lives to that number.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15765864 - 02/05/12 07:00 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

I was Napoleon in my previous life. :monkeydance:

I guess that means i know him pretty well. :grin:

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#15765887 - 02/05/12 07:05 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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"you're"

(last two posts)

shit

always gets me

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15765915 - 02/05/12 07:12 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Hey bro there's no hard feelings on my part. I can tell we have a lot to agree on from your other posts but being as you're new here I was in charge of the welcome hazing. :haha:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15765961 - 02/05/12 07:20 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Too bad he can't retract the hit on you now as it was given anonymously and there is no way to stop it. :ohwell:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15765981 - 02/05/12 07:24 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Its ok, those guys are already dead. I didn't make it this far not staying one step ahead. :brucelee:

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#15766028 - 02/05/12 07:36 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

...but, but Bruce Lee is dead and 'they' made it look like an accident. :shiftyeyes:

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#15766039 - 02/05/12 07:38 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

I don't think you completely understand what it means to kill your ego. Of course you must handle the practical matters in your life situation (money, relationships, ect..) but an enlightened person realizes there is no truth in such endeavors. The truth is inside you already, here, right now.

To get rid of the ego is to yield to the flow of life, instead of resisting its current.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Rainman420]
#15766222 - 02/05/12 08:23 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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I don't think you completely understand what it means to kill your ego.

But you do?

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but an enlightened person realizes there is no truth in such endeavors

Where did you get this idea from?

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15766462 - 02/05/12 09:19 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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My ambition is pretty important to me

i don't think you don't need an ego to have ambition, it's only when you become too attached to the goals your after and whether they work out or not that it becomes ego based thinking.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: bigmike7104]
#15766475 - 02/05/12 09:21 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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but an enlightened person realizes there is no truth in such endeavors

Explain in detail

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15766544 - 02/05/12 09:40 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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I don't think you completely understand what it means to kill your ego.

But you do?

LOL. I didn't mean to sound like I know it all. In fact I know very little. Was not really intending to put much effort into my post, sorry. I simply repeated the first things that come to mind on this topic concerning consciousness and ego. All I was trying to point out to the RP was that from what I read he needs to understand what people are talking about when they say destroy the ego. I think he doesn't quite understand what ego means in this sense. I don't believe it is to destroy your perceived personality, ambitions, values, ect..

It is to destroy your pain body (a self gratifying sub ego that one feeds unconsciously), to destroy your fixation on past and future, to destroy insanity in all forms. Basically you must destroy all that isn't you.

People get soo caught up with their pain bodies that they let it become them, they associate their lives with their pain and it in turn controls them. This is why it is so hard to dissolve the ego because many people have come to believe that their ego is what makes them who they are. Who would they be without this ego?

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but an enlightened person realizes there is no truth in such endeavors

Where did you get this idea from?

So where I got this idea from is quite simple really. You cannot truly gain any more spiritual awareness outside of yourself. In the things I listed most of them are time oriented (past and future). Maybe I didn't word it correctly, forgive me. But IME nothing really opens the doors to discovering yourself except meditating in the timeless now.

Of course this is all my opinion based off the limited reading I have done on this topic. But I have incorporated this into my life and it has helped me a great deal.

Also I didn't read the whole thread.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15766647 - 02/05/12 10:03 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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tempusvita said:
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but an enlightened person realizes there is no truth in such endeavors

Explain in detail

The point I was trying to make, is that those are all parts of your life situation. But your life situation is not your life. They best way I heard to describe it is like this. Think of a big lake. The surface of the lake is your life situation, the tides shift and weather changes it. But deep down at the bottom of the lake there is stillness and peace.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Rainman420]
#15766783 - 02/05/12 10:44 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

And a 40 pound muskellunge waiting... patiently waiting...

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Rainman420]
#15766794 - 02/05/12 10:50 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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So where I got this idea from is quite simple really.

You explained nothing. You made unsubstantiated statements. You talked about 'the enlightened man' and now you are rambling about other things.

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But IME nothing really opens the doors to discovering yourself except meditating in the timeless now.

One cannot discover himself (WTF that means) by having a baby, a terminal illness, being confronted with success or loss; by love and betrayal? Only by sitting in the lotus position can we learn shit? :rolleyes:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15766800 - 02/05/12 10:53 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

truth? you mean the church? the government? aliens? or the sick mind of humans? :cuteshit:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15766802 - 02/05/12 10:55 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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And a 40 pound muskellunge waiting... patiently waiting...

LMFAO!!!

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Breadnbutterfly86]

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#15766842 - 02/05/12 11:11 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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truth? you mean the church? the government? aliens? or the sick mind of humans?

Dude, it is OK to post stoned, but not hammered. I don't think even YOU know what you are babbling about.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15766868 - 02/05/12 11:25 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

I think he's talking about a big pile of steaming shit. I'm pretty sure.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15766873 - 02/05/12 11:28 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

i'm just saying... enlightenment is great and all. its actually amazing. but it does not show there is no truth. if anything it brings THE truth.... talkin bout that below n stuff

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Breadnbutterfly86]
#15766875 - 02/05/12 11:31 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

How the fuck do you know it's amazing? :monkeydance:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15766890 - 02/05/12 11:38 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

come on man, cuz it feels good :sunny:

and i can see

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15766894 - 02/05/12 11:39 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

He read a book.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15766903 - 02/05/12 11:41 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

A book

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Breadnbutterfly86]
#15766917 - 02/05/12 11:46 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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come on man, cuz it feels good and i can see

In other words you don't know.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15766924 - 02/05/12 11:49 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

i can catch a whiff :holyshit:

but its a little over my head

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Breadnbutterfly86]
#15766926 - 02/05/12 11:51 PM (3 months, 21 days ago)

You can tell yourself anything you like. And most people like fantasy.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Icelander]
#15766945 - 02/06/12 12:03 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

its a crossing of a line... its like out of body experiences. people believe in this because of conditioning. you can condition yourself to become what you like to think of as enlightened..... feels great. it was a good introduction to hell. and thats okay

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: Breadnbutterfly86]
#15766954 - 02/06/12 12:07 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Please share your meds. :bowdown:

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15767195 - 02/06/12 03:48 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

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And a 40 pound muskellunge waiting... patiently waiting...

and an old rusty shopping trolley.

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: blingbling]
#15767360 - 02/06/12 06:00 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

This thread needs

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Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: CheesePlease]
#15768144 - 02/06/12 11:27 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

to die daily and to love thy neighbor
are the true foundations of christian thought.
both are poetic and functional but non-committal
i.e no death certificate, and no marriage license.

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