|
 tempusvita
PLATONIC
Registered: 01/10/12
Posts: 263
Last seen: 3 months, 19 days
|
 Why would I want my ego to die??? 
#15747154 - 02/01/12 11:29 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
I'm kinda put off by the whole thing. Like, we are social animals. We live in a society that exists on relationships. Most people are not "enlightened" and haven't taken psychedelics. Most people have egos. They judge others on their egos.
To be a participate, you need a rather successful ego no? I mean most people probably can't empathize with "enlightened" people. They will just look at you like  ??? "No ambition? No Success? Man this guy is not good breeding material. I'll find someone else! I don't want to hang around with this guy, bad influence?"
My ambition is pretty important to me. I have tripped (low/moderate dose) twice and it emerged unscathed. I'm not materialistic, if anything I have a deep seated hatred to anything my inutition tells me is superficial. And yet, I still feel money is so important to have. That accomplishments in life bring a lot of value, even if they do cause a lot of distress.
I want a conversation! Maybe I am wrong.
--------------------
People who have helped me: VicariousGreg , Garfelt , occollegeboi , psilocybinjunkie , PrimalSoup
On a mission to pay it forward!
|
 OrgoneConclusion
Pharoah & Balanced
Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 29,385
Loc: Luxor
|
 Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747191 - 02/01/12 11:40 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Most people are not "enlightened" and haven't taken psychedelics
Are you implying a relationship?
--------------------
This is your drain on brugs.
|
yoimjohn
Registered: 08/13/11
Posts: 1,281
Loc: terra nova
Last seen: 2 hours, 6 minutes
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747201 - 02/01/12 11:42 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
i think of ego as how i view my self, and my selfworth to the community, not necessarrily how rich i am. of course being rich carries a more confident ego or a very very low ego.
money is important to have. its only a natural instinct to want something that is necessary to survive in this world. being rich is another thing compared to getting by and also having a job you want to do.
me personally, i dont think i got a ego, im a depressed 19 year old, i have been depressed for about 3 years now. i notice the pessimistic view of me. people dont realize that its hard to be positive when you dont see shit positive. im not used to it, so for me its a idea that happens every now in then, but even when i do smile i just want to look down because its easier and honestly more pleasurable in a sad way. but then i would be taking away from life. i guess im a actor.
|
tempusvita
PLATONIC
Registered: 01/10/12
Posts: 263
Last seen: 3 months, 19 days
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: yoimjohn]
#15747228 - 02/01/12 11:50 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Are you implying a relationship?
Yeah, there seems to be a connection with enlightenment and psychedelics. And most people haven't taken psychedelics, ergo most people aren't enlightened. Most people aren't budhist monks either.
I'm making the point that, if the meaning of life is to have the best life, and the best life is one with the strongest relationships and highest self esteem, the most accomplishments...maybe a HEALTHY ego is a good thing to have.
--------------------
People who have helped me: VicariousGreg , Garfelt , occollegeboi , psilocybinjunkie , PrimalSoup
On a mission to pay it forward!
|
sk8ordude
Stranger
Registered: 07/12/11
Posts: 632
Last seen: 28 days, 5 hours
|
|
Money does make things easier.
Society has a way of pressuring people to be contributers, to rise up the ranks, to have influence, and fancy things. There is also the evolutionary component of survival of the fittest and money and social power are among the most powerful weapons any organism has had yet. It makes sense in many ways to pursue such things.
But what use are any of those things if you can be happy without them (beyond baseline)? People dont want to be losers, but in the end we all lose the same, so what does it matter? What matters is your experiance, if money and success will lead you to having a good experiance you should do it. In the end your mind is the only thing you can control, leaving your happiness (or whatever way you want to feel) to be blown in the winds of the external is a hard way to go about it IMO. That right there is the problem I have with materialism. The external should be secondary to the internal.
Now I dont see why money/success and ego loss are incompatible, everybody needs a hobby, why not make it a profitable one? Put another way, its good to own nice things, but bad to let those things own you.
Also the ego is more then money, its who you are. IMO ego loss is when you can objectively look at your life and whats important and change for the better without unnesesary attachment. It translates a bit different with psyches but I think this is the actual mechanism-type-thing, with spiritual experiances one becomes one with the Universe and from that perspective they see themselves in this objective way and thats enlightenment for some.
Edited by sk8ordude (02/01/12 12:15 PM)
|
OrgoneConclusion
Pharoah & Balanced
Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 29,385
Loc: Luxor
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747262 - 02/01/12 12:04 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Yeah, there seems to be a connection with enlightenment and psychedelics.
Not in my experience. Perhaps you would care to expound on this.
--------------------
This is your drain on brugs.
|
 egodeathflux
Guttersnipe
Registered: 02/02/10
Posts: 1,885
Loc: The Stygian Pits 
Last seen: 3 minutes, 23 seconds
|
|
I think many people confuse a perceptual change with "enlightenment".
To paraphrase "the Bard" - 'the price of enlightenment is alienation.'.
It is a trade off you make: fit into the pre-fabricated mould, or step outside it and necessarily become an outcast to an extent.
|
tempusvita
PLATONIC
Registered: 01/10/12
Posts: 263
Last seen: 3 months, 19 days
|
|
Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Yeah, there seems to be a connection with enlightenment and psychedelics.
Not in my experience. Perhaps you would care to expound on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death#Methods_of_inducing_the_experience
Quote:
Many methods, practices, or experiences may induce this state, including prayer, sleep deprivation, fasting, meditation practice, ingestion of psychedelic drugs or through the use of an isolation tank.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Quote:
but in the end we all lose the same, so what does it matter?
Thats interesting. My understanding is nothing matters except what matters for the short period before you lose everytihng. Just because accomplishment is not eternal does not mean it does not improve your life for a short time. And even a year of great benefits in a life time is proportionatly a lot.
--------------------
People who have helped me: VicariousGreg , Garfelt , occollegeboi , psilocybinjunkie , PrimalSoup
On a mission to pay it forward!
|
sk8ordude
Stranger
Registered: 07/12/11
Posts: 632
Last seen: 28 days, 5 hours
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747327 - 02/01/12 12:19 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
So the experiance is all that matters, which translates to memories, which is then observed through ones mind. Like I said, what if you can have all those great feelings and cut out the middle man, seems more efficient and reliable then basing your worth on things you can lose in an instant, and if you loose your mind whats it matter?
But here I am assuming happiness and contentment is what you are after with these ambitions which could be way off, so let me ask you what is the end goal of your ambition?
Edited by sk8ordude (02/01/12 12:21 PM)
|
OrgoneConclusion
Pharoah & Balanced
Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 29,385
Loc: Luxor
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747428 - 02/01/12 12:44 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Your reading ability seems to be lacking. The Wiki article mentions nothing about enlightenment. Try again.
--------------------
This is your drain on brugs.
|
tempusvita
PLATONIC
Registered: 01/10/12
Posts: 263
Last seen: 3 months, 19 days
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: sk8ordude]
#15747442 - 02/01/12 12:46 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
|
|
Well its more complexQuote:
sk8ordude said:
So the experiance is all that matters, which translates to memories, which is then observed through ones mind. Like I said, what if you can have all those great feelings and cut out the middle man, seems more efficient and reliable then basing your worth on things you can lose in an instant, and if you loose your mind whats it matter?
But here I am assuming happiness and contentment is what you are after with these ambitions which could be way off, so let me ask you what is the end goal of your ambition?
Well its more complex then that. My ambition is to improve the value of my life with greater goods than the small-potato goods.
I mean anyone who wishes to live a happy life can do so merely by, say, eating(cheaply), drinking (cheaply), being married, having sex with your wife, eating yummy ice cream...average job with lots of hours (Life A)
But compare that to a life, where you have both a fufiling (you love working) AND very high salary job.
So then you can raise what you actually do to, eating the BEST food that you love, having as much recreational time as you desire, being wanted by the opposite sex, having enough free time to cultivate stronger connections with people, being able to travel the world, being able to purchase ( to a degree ) a healthy life for you and the people you love.. (Life B)
Now if success was gurrenteed, MOST people would choose LIFE B!
It just feels like to me like a better life...more abundance and more TIME to do the things you love.
It seems as easy as being offered $5 dollars and $10 dollars..$10 dollars is just much more valuable.
So being ambitious to me is not just pursing, things that will ultimately lead to what you could have gotten anyway.. Its actually much more authentic then that, if you have your goals right. Its not just a middle man, there are some things you cannot ever experiance with out SOME accomplishments. Its not superficial.
At least if you think Life B is actually better than Life A. Your Life A and B may be different from mine but I hope you get the idea.
--------------------
People who have helped me: VicariousGreg , Garfelt , occollegeboi , psilocybinjunkie , PrimalSoup
On a mission to pay it forward!
Edited by tempusvita (02/01/12 12:47 PM)
|
tempusvita
PLATONIC
Registered: 01/10/12
Posts: 263
Last seen: 3 months, 19 days
|
|
Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Your reading ability seems to be lacking. The Wiki article mentions nothing about enlightenment. Try again.
Thanks for the insult. Maybe I have Ego death and Enlightenment confused, but I figured they were the same.
--------------------
People who have helped me: VicariousGreg , Garfelt , occollegeboi , psilocybinjunkie , PrimalSoup
On a mission to pay it forward!
|
sk8ordude
Stranger
Registered: 07/12/11
Posts: 632
Last seen: 28 days, 5 hours
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15747485 - 02/01/12 12:59 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
OP it sounds like thats the path you want to take, if you are stoked on your position and direction, I dont see a problem.
|
tempusvita
PLATONIC
Registered: 01/10/12
Posts: 263
Last seen: 3 months, 19 days
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: sk8ordude]
#15747500 - 02/01/12 01:03 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
sk8ordude said:
OP it sounds like thats the path you want to take, if you are stoked on your position and direction, I dont see a problem.
Well I don't know everything haha. I could be totally wrong in my views. Thats why I like listening to others opinions like yours.
--------------------
People who have helped me: VicariousGreg , Garfelt , occollegeboi , psilocybinjunkie , PrimalSoup
On a mission to pay it forward!
|
sk8ordude
Stranger
Registered: 07/12/11
Posts: 632
Last seen: 28 days, 5 hours
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita] 1
#15747538 - 02/01/12 01:13 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
I wasn't being sarcastic, I really mean it. I see the world as an incredibly negative place, with the one light being the state of being stoked. Being stoked and helping others get stoked is what its about for me.
With heavy materialism, I see a problem where people elevate the external to the point of making or breaking their own worth, which can comprimise their state of stoked. Likewise I see no reason to completely forsake the external if one thinks they are enlightened, like OK your enlightened now what? With alot of money and power I could I could create a lot of stoked-ness for alot of people and animals too, theres a lot of time in a day.
Basically do what makes you stoked.
Edited by sk8ordude (02/01/12 01:18 PM)
|
OrgoneConclusion
Pharoah & Balanced
Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 29,385
Loc: Luxor
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15748036 - 02/01/12 03:31 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Thanks for the insult. Maybe I have Ego death and Enlightenment confused
You find a correct observation to be pejorative and reply with false gratitude. How does that work?
Your shining beacon seems rather weak.
--------------------
This is your drain on brugs.
Edited by OrgoneConclusion (02/01/12 09:52 PM)
|
tempusvita
PLATONIC
Registered: 01/10/12
Posts: 263
Last seen: 3 months, 19 days
|
|
Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Thanks for the insult. Maybe I have Ego death and Enlightenment confused
You find a correct observation to be perjorative and reply with false gratitude. How does that work?
Your shining beacon seems rather weak.
You reek of insecurity...
And just so you know is pejorative not peRjorative
--------------------
People who have helped me: VicariousGreg , Garfelt , occollegeboi , psilocybinjunkie , PrimalSoup
On a mission to pay it forward!
Edited by tempusvita (02/01/12 09:32 PM)
|
OrgoneConclusion
Pharoah & Balanced
Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 29,385
Loc: Luxor
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15749899 - 02/01/12 10:28 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
Cool, I learned something. 
I wonder why are you so reactive. One need not experience ego death to have some semblance of emotional control.
--------------------
This is your drain on brugs.
|
tempusvita
PLATONIC
Registered: 01/10/12
Posts: 263
Last seen: 3 months, 19 days
|
|
Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Cool, I learned something.
I wonder why are you so reactive. One need not experience ego death to have some semblance of emotional control.
I wonder why your so cryptic!
--------------------
People who have helped me: VicariousGreg , Garfelt , occollegeboi , psilocybinjunkie , PrimalSoup
On a mission to pay it forward!
|
CheesePlease
Seeker of the Primal
Registered: 01/18/12
Posts: 162
|
Re: Why would I want my ego to die??? [Re: tempusvita]
#15749981 - 02/01/12 10:52 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
|
|
I was really interested in this thread topic--totally derailed at this point. I've often pondered this myself. I feel ego suppression may be a better term..that is how Terrence McKenna put it, atleast. I do not feel that it is quite as black and white as ego death...It might be true 'ego death' (considering ego death is a very loose term) during the trip, but I believe at least part of it returns after the trip is done. Okay first of all- Let's define the ego. Thread back on track?
--------------------
"Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio."
- Hunter S. Thompson
"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace, a two legged Georgia Peach."
-Duane Allman
***All My Posts are Purely Fictional***
|
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
Shop for: 
Edit 
Reply 
