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 Icelander
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 The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance
#15745864 - 02/01/12 02:09 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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I think I'll light myself on fire cause I don't like and can't accept things the way they actually are. 
How very (non) spiritual.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
Edited by Icelander (02/01/12 02:10 AM)
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander] 1
#15745869 - 02/01/12 02:10 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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woah that would be cool
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the best part about that would be no one would have to burry me. I would do it in my car so if you wanted my car you would have to pull my burning ass out of it hurting yourself. I wouldn't want my car to be hurt though but I wouldn't want people taking my car.
I would strap a bomb to you that would go off five feet before you got to my burning body and my fire resistant car. That I had just got from doctor
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I sorta agree, but not totally. It is a waste of life, but the idea that harming the self will benefit the whole to me shows humility rather than arrogance. Lately I consider arrogance a good thing, if you are on my side that is.
Unwinding a situation like that is kinda sad, but I understand the frustration of someone like that. If it is just a big "fuck you" to everything that isn't the self, I can respect that, but the things that frustrate a person up to the point of setting themselves alight are the same elements of humanity that will allow most people to not give a fuck that you lit yourself on fire, that is the catch.
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander]
#15749277 - 02/01/12 08:09 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
the way they actually are.
Are you sure there's only one way that things are?
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Pacmanpth]
#15750574 - 02/02/12 04:53 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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yes I am, the rest is subjective evaluation (usually based on emotional needs).
Edited by Icelander (02/02/12 04:54 AM)
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander]
#15750586 - 02/02/12 05:01 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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I wouldn't even waste a match on myself. 
Why though would you label it arrogant and an act of rejection ? (humour me)
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: tribesman]
#15750965 - 02/02/12 08:11 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Let my own lack of a voice be heard?
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander]
#15751130 - 02/02/12 09:08 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
yes I am, the rest is subjective evaluation (usually based on emotional needs).
Do you think it impossible that you have access to multiple objective Universes?
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander] 1
#15752353 - 02/02/12 03:22 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I thought it was having a child
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander]
#15752465 - 02/02/12 03:47 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
I think I'll light myself on fire cause I don't like and can't accept things the way they actually are.
How very (non) spiritual.
It's not about escaping from the world, it's about making sure your point is noticed (or as the quote from Waking Life mentioned above says, making your own lack of a voice heard).
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander]
#15752488 - 02/02/12 03:52 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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What is accepting things the way they are?
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Parallel Realty]
#15752504 - 02/02/12 03:56 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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not setting fire to yourself ?
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander] 2
#15752508 - 02/02/12 03:57 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
yes I am, the rest is subjective evaluation (usually based on emotional needs).
Your opinion, also, is subjective evaluation. Probably based on emotional needs.
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Samurai Drifter]
#15752737 - 02/02/12 05:00 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Samurai Drifter said:
Quote:
Icelander said:
yes I am, the rest is subjective evaluation (usually based on emotional needs).
Your opinion, also, is subjective evaluation. Probably based on emotional needs.
I'm pretty sure everything everyone does is based on emotional needs.
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Samurai Drifter]
#15754431 - 02/03/12 12:09 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Samurai Drifter said:
Quote:
Icelander said:
yes I am, the rest is subjective evaluation (usually based on emotional needs).
Your opinion, also, is subjective evaluation. Probably based on emotional needs.
I'm sure you're trying to make a point somewhere.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Parallel Realty]
#15754435 - 02/03/12 12:11 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Parallel Realty said:
What is accepting things the way they are?
Going with the flow baby. 
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: Icelander]
#15754710 - 02/03/12 03:30 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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there seems to be an almost complete lack of congruency between the story a person tells to themselves and their actions. if anything the story someone tells themselves can be considered exactly what the person is not. the craziest thing is that people can be extremely cruel and still manage to justify their cruelty in a genuinely spiritual manner. there is a great book called zen at war which highlights this tendency very well.
the book focuses on the zen buddhist monks and how they helped to justify their governments actions during WW2. the book talks about zen buddhist texts which were written to help japanese soldiers kill without remorse. the zen texts describe how it is not really you pushing the bayonet into the stomach of the enemy but instead that you are merely an instrument and that it is the enemy which slides itself onto your knife.
the hardest thing to understand is that these are real spiritual/philosophical insights. it's not that these japanese guys just went crazy... at least not crazy in the generally understood sense. it seems belief itself is highly mailable and just because someone is capable of great spiritual insights does not necessarily mean they will not engage in petty or even evil behavior.
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Edited by blingbling (02/03/12 03:36 AM)
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: blingbling]
#15754752 - 02/03/12 04:10 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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i saw slavoj zizek talking about that same thing...
i am a pretty big believer that you have to look at the material conditions to understand human action (as opposed to their belief or story)...
altho last couple of days i have been trying to prove myself wrong
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: blingbling]
#15754813 - 02/03/12 05:19 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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if anything the story someone tells themselves can be considered exactly what the person is not
This is great news. 
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: blingbling]
#15756482 - 02/03/12 02:42 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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the book focuses on the zen buddhist monks and how they helped to justify their governments actions during WW2. the book talks about zen buddhist texts which were written to help japanese soldiers kill without remorse. the zen texts describe how it is not really you pushing the bayonet into the stomach of the enemy but instead that you are merely an instrument and that it is the enemy which slides itself onto your knife
Interesting, but not as weird as a loving Christian nation killing a million Iraqi's for the deaths of 3,000 Americans at the hands of 18 Saudi extremists. And not feeling in the slightest that such wanton carnage goes completely against the teachings of Christ.
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15756528 - 02/03/12 02:50 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Seems ironic, but to I can see parallels between the WTC attack and Jesus 'knocking over the money lenders tables'.
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: tribesman]
#15756562 - 02/03/12 02:57 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I once kicked over a tableful of Girl Scout cookies to make a point.
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15756578 - 02/03/12 02:59 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: tribesman]
#15756593 - 02/03/12 03:04 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I will not let myself be guilted into buying sugar and white flour crap because of some doe-eyed she-child.
Future Girl Scout
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#15756686 - 02/03/12 03:24 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Sounds a bit arrogant and non-accepting.
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: tribesman]
#15756713 - 02/03/12 03:29 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Your point being...?
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Re: The ultimate act of arrogance and non acceptance [Re: OrgoneConclusion] 1
#15756769 - 02/03/12 03:46 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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You may as well of torched yourself 
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