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 There is no mystery about what Death is like   1
#15744833 - 01/31/12 08:40 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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It isn't like anything.
I don't mean it's like something but different from everything else. I mean there is nothing to describe, nothing to imagine. There is no experiential part to it. It's like imagining what its like to be a rock.
There is nothing to describe, look at any inanimate object. That's what its like.
As harrowing as it is, we have a single life span. Maybe 20 years, maybe 50. We have a limited time which means a limited amount of things we can "do", we have to chose the things that are not merely worth doing, but MOST worth doing.
I'm posting this because people in another thread were talking about what a great experience death would be, or what a release it would be. I am afraid thats not the case...It's not a release, because there is nothing to release once it happens.. It's not like your going to be able to exhale after you die. If you were being crushed by adversity, by hardships in life, and die before they are overcome, I am sorry but death is no escape. If you kill yourself, you are not released from events. Time merely ends in the middle of your hardship.
If your not happy with your life, do something radical to follow your heart. You really got nothing to lose! But as a rule, don't ever harm others in your pursuit, or you consent to being harmed yourself.
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Edited by tempusvita (01/31/12 08:44 PM)
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita]
#15744867 - 01/31/12 08:47 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Though part of me feels once your dead your dead I don't think it's right to rule out the possibility of the after life. I think it is possible there is a scientific explanation to a kind of spirit world, not saying I have a belief in one but I don't think you can rule it out. Obviously the body itself will be an inanimate object but that doesn't mean it's impossible there could be something else beyond that.
I like your point, and to some extent agree but the fact is none of us actually know for sure, and for a long time there have been things we thought were impossible and we found a real scientific explanation for them so don't rule it out.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: Mycjunky]
#15744951 - 01/31/12 09:05 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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I don't think it's right to rule out the possibility of the after life.
Yeah, I agree.
But it's the same to me with god. I am agnostic. Maybe there is an afterlife, but its so unlikely if you really think about what we are.
So I won't rule it out totally, but I am convinced its not the case.
Life is very likely an accident, remember. There is a profound spiritual side to the human condition. I mean anyone who has had a deep connection with another person knows this. But that doesn't mean we are anything more than we are, glorious, mortal, matter.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita] 1
#15745123 - 01/31/12 09:45 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:
It isn't like anything.
I don't mean it's like something but different from everything else. I mean there is nothing to describe, nothing to imagine. There is no experiential part to it. It's like imagining what its like to be a rock.
There is nothing to describe, look at any inanimate object. That's what its like.
As harrowing as it is, we have a single life span. Maybe 20 years, maybe 50. We have a limited time which means a limited amount of things we can "do", we have to chose the things that are not merely worth doing, but MOST worth doing.
I'm posting this because people in another thread were talking about what a great experience death would be, or what a release it would be. I am afraid thats not the case...It's not a release, because there is nothing to release once it happens.. It's not like your going to be able to exhale after you die. If you were being crushed by adversity, by hardships in life, and die before they are overcome, I am sorry but death is no escape. If you kill yourself, you are not released from events. Time merely ends in the middle of your hardship.
If your not happy with your life, do something radical to follow your heart. You really got nothing to lose! But as a rule, don't ever harm others in your pursuit, or you consent to being harmed yourself.
You have no more idea or real assurance you know what you are talking about to any greater extent than all those "other" people. 
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: Icelander]
#15746758 - 02/01/12 09:43 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
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tempusvita said:
It isn't like anything.
I don't mean it's like something but different from everything else. I mean there is nothing to describe, nothing to imagine. There is no experiential part to it. It's like imagining what its like to be a rock.
There is nothing to describe, look at any inanimate object. That's what its like.
As harrowing as it is, we have a single life span. Maybe 20 years, maybe 50. We have a limited time which means a limited amount of things we can "do", we have to chose the things that are not merely worth doing, but MOST worth doing.
I'm posting this because people in another thread were talking about what a great experience death would be, or what a release it would be. I am afraid thats not the case...It's not a release, because there is nothing to release once it happens.. It's not like your going to be able to exhale after you die. If you were being crushed by adversity, by hardships in life, and die before they are overcome, I am sorry but death is no escape. If you kill yourself, you are not released from events. Time merely ends in the middle of your hardship.
If your not happy with your life, do something radical to follow your heart. You really got nothing to lose! But as a rule, don't ever harm others in your pursuit, or you consent to being harmed yourself.
You have no more idea or real assurance you know what you are talking about to any greater extent than all those "other" people.
I think thats a mistake. A post modernistic mistake. Not all opinions are equally valid or invalid, to think like that is a cardinal mistake. Those other peoples beliefs are unscientific. I'm not saying its a fact, but that the science points nearly conclusively that we are merely physical.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita] 6
#15746842 - 02/01/12 10:14 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Merely physical? don't get caught on yourself dude. We have no fucking clue what the physical is.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: Kickle]
#15747079 - 02/01/12 11:13 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Well I mean phisical as in Physicalism. There is not likely anything immaterial about us. That's the direction science points...
And if you disagree with the methods of science, like Carl Sagan said, your in the dark.. Pure science is a candle in the dark.
A lot of people are distrustful of science, but really, how can anyone disagree with the scientific method?
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Edited by tempusvita (02/01/12 11:16 AM)
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita]
#15747198 - 02/01/12 11:42 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Humans like to believe they are smart. We probably know 1 billionth of what reality really fuckin is 
Science is our best bet but science doesn't explain or isn't advanced enough to explain a variety of things
You don't know what death truely is till you die
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: i like cow poo]
#15747233 - 02/01/12 11:54 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Humans like to believe they are smart. We probably know 1 billionth of what reality really fuckin is
Science is our best bet but science doesn't explain or isn't advanced enough to explain a variety of things
You don't know what death truely is till you die
Exactly. But whats the alternative to working with and expanding that 1 billionth? It IS our best bet, and the best bet on death is that when you die thats it. That's all I am saying with this thread.
It's the most sound of theories, that when you die. Theres nothing after, and your life is all that YOU will ever ever experiance.
Nobody can say what death truly is. But we can say what our best bet on it is.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita]
#15747306 - 02/01/12 12:15 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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I don't see how you could be so blind. We as humans are obviously no mistake. Part of me is scared of death because I think about the fact there could possibly be nothing afterwards making our lives pointless. But I more so believe there is a god and we serve a purpose for god. You put so much faith in science without realizing there wouldn't be a science to anything at all if there wasn't a god. It's all on a scale of such magnitude that nobody on earth can begin to understand or start to explain. How could there even be an infinite nonexistence of space from which an entire universe started without a god to have allowed what is and what wasn't to become what is. There's something to it and faith in god shouldn't be overlooked due to science. Scientific theories and practice were birthed by man and we are far from perfect and omnipotent.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: Ill-bird]
#15747323 - 02/01/12 12:18 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks for sharing your based on nothing wisdom with us, OP.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: VisionaryFlicker]
#15747335 - 02/01/12 12:20 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks for sharing your based on nothing wisdom with us, OP.
It's not based on nothing. Its based on the works of people like Marvin Minsky and Carl Sagan... I mean what scientific evidence is there for an after life, do you know of anything?
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Edited by tempusvita (02/01/12 12:21 PM)
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita]
#15747344 - 02/01/12 12:23 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:
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Thanks for sharing your based on nothing wisdom with us, OP.
It's not based on nothing. Its based on the works of people like Marvin Minsky and Carl Sagan... I mean what scientific evidence is there for an after life, do you know of anything?[/quot
Please explain how one would do a scientific experiment on the existence of an afterlife.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita]
#15747361 - 02/01/12 12:27 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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tempusvita said:
It isn't like anything.
I don't mean it's like something but different from everything else. I mean there is nothing to describe, nothing to imagine. There is no experiential part to it. It's like imagining what its like to be a rock.
There is nothing to describe, look at any inanimate object. That's what its like.
As harrowing as it is, we have a single life span. Maybe 20 years, maybe 50. We have a limited time which means a limited amount of things we can "do", we have to chose the things that are not merely worth doing, but MOST worth doing.
I'm posting this because people in another thread were talking about what a great experience death would be, or what a release it would be. I am afraid thats not the case...It's not a release, because there is nothing to release once it happens.. It's not like your going to be able to exhale after you die. If you were being crushed by adversity, by hardships in life, and die before they are overcome, I am sorry but death is no escape. If you kill yourself, you are not released from events. Time merely ends in the middle of your hardship.
If your not happy with your life, do something radical to follow your heart. You really got nothing to lose! But as a rule, don't ever harm others in your pursuit, or you consent to being harmed yourself.
this post brought tears to my eyes and i dont even remember the last time i actually cried.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: Ill-bird]
#15747367 - 02/01/12 12:28 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Please explain how one would do a scientific experiment on the existence of an afterlife.
You don't. You figure out what consciousness is. So far it seems very material, very much a part of the brain. I mean the strongest evidence points that way.
Nobody really knows of course. I mean there could be, I aknowledged in my second post. But EVERYTHING about the mind and consciousness seems very much the workings of material things in the brain.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: Kinko]
#15747384 - 02/01/12 12:32 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Kinko said:
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tempusvita said:
It isn't like anything.
I don't mean it's like something but different from everything else. I mean there is nothing to describe, nothing to imagine. There is no experiential part to it. It's like imagining what its like to be a rock.
There is nothing to describe, look at any inanimate object. That's what its like.
As harrowing as it is, we have a single life span. Maybe 20 years, maybe 50. We have a limited time which means a limited amount of things we can "do", we have to chose the things that are not merely worth doing, but MOST worth doing.
I'm posting this because people in another thread were talking about what a great experience death would be, or what a release it would be. I am afraid thats not the case...It's not a release, because there is nothing to release once it happens.. It's not like your going to be able to exhale after you die. If you were being crushed by adversity, by hardships in life, and die before they are overcome, I am sorry but death is no escape. If you kill yourself, you are not released from events. Time merely ends in the middle of your hardship.
If your not happy with your life, do something radical to follow your heart. You really got nothing to lose! But as a rule, don't ever harm others in your pursuit, or you consent to being harmed yourself.
this post brought tears to my eyes and i dont even remember the last time i actually cried.
The thought is very moving. So many people try to imagine death from the inside, and they can't because its impossible, so they give up, unmoved and confused.
But when you imagine it from the outside, like how I worded it, its much more accessible. Its easier to understand where we are headed, and how important our lives are, how important the JOURNEY of life is, because the destination is rewardless.
The Journey is the Reward.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita]
#15747456 - 02/01/12 12:51 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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i agree with everything you just said when we think about death we only think of human death , if only we thought of it like we do when a cow dies or perhaps a dog , you might think that you are special but in the end its all speculation the fear of the unknown. people need something to believe in and we see proof of that here. there is no afterlife there is no heaven no hell and def no souls in the end none of it matters so spin the dices and play the game you have nothing to lose
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: Kinko]
#15747476 - 02/01/12 12:56 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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i agree with everything you just said when we think about death we only think of human death , if only we thought of it like we do when a cow dies or perhaps a dog , you might think that you are special but in the end its all speculation the fear of the unknown. people need something to believe in and we see proof of that here. there is no afterlife there is no heaven no hell and def no souls in the end none of it matters so spin the dices and play the game you have nothing to lose
It's not so terrible, Kurt Vonnegut has some fantastic words on the whole issue.
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God made mud. God got lonesome. So God said to some of the mud, "Sit up!" "See all I've made," said God, "the hills, the sea, the sky, the stars." And I was some of the mud that got to sit up and look around. Lucky me, lucky mud. I, mud, sat up and saw what a nice job God had done. Nice going, God. Nobody but you could have done it, God! I certainly couldn't have. I feel very unimportant compared to You. The only way I can feel the least bit important is to think of all the mud that didn't even get to sit up and look around. I got so much, and most mud got so little. Thank you for the honor! Now mud lies down again and goes to sleep. What memories for mud to have! What interesting other kinds of sitting-up mud I met! I loved everything I saw! Good night.
Remember, none of it matters cosmically. There is no reason for your life.
But your not like a computer. You have a emotions, you can love, you can feel pain.
These things, this spiritual side of Human life adds something against that meaninglessness.
Somethings are worth experiencing and some are not. Worth is meaning.
Try falling in love with someone, and then tell me life is meaningless. It is cosmically. But to an individual? No. The window for meaning is just much smaller, and much more for itself.
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: tempusvita] 1
#15747527 - 02/01/12 01:11 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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I would agree that there is no evidence for an afterlife of any sort; however, we can make some interesting scientific inquiries about the process of dying. I am referring to immediately before brain activity ceases. There is evidence proposed that DMT is released from the pineal gland at death, a large amount. This would mean at death you would be having a very powerful psychedelic experience. You would also be aware that death is approaching at this time. So the psychedelic conceptualization would frame this experience, which gives death a more reasonable grasping rather than the normal fear people seem to have about it. Furthermore, the contents of your subconscious will definitely have an impact. So if you were content and fulfilled in life you will have a vision of paradise and splendor. If you hated life and were miserable, the trip will be punishing. This is why people that have near death experiences think they are seeing heaven or hell, when really it is just their self analysis during a DMT trip. At death, neuronal activity will begin to slow down, so also the time distortion introduced during DMT will be exponentiated. Maybe even making the process of death seem like an eternal paradise or eternal damnation before finally the brain ceases to work and all goes black before the person can think that it is over. Doesnt sound bad to me at all because I love my life 
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Re: There is no mystery about what Death is like [Re: mestizo9]
#15747556 - 02/01/12 01:17 PM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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I would agree that there is no evidence for an afterlife of any sort; however, we can make some interesting scientific inquiries about the process of dying. I am referring to immediately before brain activity ceases. There is evidence proposed that DMT is released from the pineal gland at death, a large amount. This would mean at death you would be having a very powerful psychedelic experience. You would also be aware that death is approaching at this time. So the psychedelic conceptualization would frame this experience, which gives death a more reasonable grasping rather than the normal fear people seem to have about it. Furthermore, the contents of your subconscious will definitely have an impact. So if you were content and fulfilled in life you will have a vision of paradise and splendor. If you hated life and were miserable, the trip will be punishing. This is why people that have near death experiences think they are seeing heaven or hell, when really it is just their self analysis during a DMT trip. At death, neuronal activity will begin to slow down, so also the time distortion introduced during DMT will be exponentiated. Maybe even making the process of death seem like an eternal paradise or eternal damnation before finally the brain ceases to work and all goes black before the person can think that it is over. Doesnt sound bad to me at all because I love my life
Yeah thats an interesting theory. But what happens if someone dies by getting his head blown to peices? Or something similar?
That means only some people will experience this heaven/hell trip.
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