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 ghostdad
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 requirements for new species 
#15735514 - 01/29/12 07:24 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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so if I were looking into getting a newly discovered Mycological species named after myself, what steps would be needed?
would i need to be able to cultivate the new specimen?
would i need to do preliminary microscopy work?
who would I need to appeal to to have this made official?
would i need to make the name Latin-like "E.G. Agaricus-ghostfatherus" ? or would "Agaricus-ghostdad" suffice?
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 Re: requirements for new species [Re: ghostdad]
#15735524 - 01/29/12 07:27 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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are you being serious? i think you need to discovery said species first, id worry about naming after you find it...
on a side note, i wouldn't name a mushroom after the worst movie ever, just not a good career move IMHO.
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: hellokitty]
#15735535 - 01/29/12 07:31 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Just find it and document it and spread the document around. I would name it "Soul" if i found a new species. Their is so many mushrooms already found that it's hard to find new ones. Some mushrooms undocumented in your area is a nice find though. Document that as well but can't name it
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: King Klick]
#15735777 - 01/29/12 08:19 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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In all seriousness, I would never name it anything related "ghostdad", please relax, it was only an example.
secondly...living where I do, where science for the most part is treated like witchcraft, there is is quite an opportunity to find new Fungi species.
I was just hoping to find out what is needed, so that if I were to submit a specimen to an authoritative body/board/group/society they would not take the credit themselves, even if its sort of a stupid fear. It is a goal of mine to name something meaningful, so I want to make sure I taking the correct steps.
as for discovery, I pull 15-25 unique species per outing. Since I can only identify a few due to my relative newness to the topic, I hold on to them.
I mind many things fascinating about mycology although my experiences do not include recreational shamanistic purposes. I hope to be able to further identify species with better accuracy once I have a broader understanding as I go forward.
so with all that said, what steps need to be made?
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: ghostdad]
#15739599 - 01/30/12 05:47 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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You need to know the microscopic and macro features of the fungi and describe them in latin as well as english. Also as description of ecology/habitat is needed. I would suggest reading other published species description, here is a newly published description of the new species Amanita Vernicoccora Description of Amanita Vernicoccora
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: pseudotsuga]
#15739722 - 01/30/12 06:12 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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The movie title thing has already been done:
Agaricus brasiliensis
...better movie too.
/jk
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: ghostdad]
#15741857 - 01/31/12 07:46 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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This is a hilariously awesome thread.
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ghostdad said:
so if I were looking into getting a newly discovered Mycological species named after myself, what steps would be needed?
would i need to be able to cultivate the new specimen?
I don't think so as many species have yet to be successfully cultivated. I would think that at least culturing on agar is standard procedure so the mycellium can be described on various agar media.
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would i need to do preliminary microscopy work?
I really don't think your report on the new species would be taken seriously without this. Fungal species and phenotypes can be difficult to distinguish from macroscopic features. Really, the same can be said about their microscope features. I personally think DNA sequencing is the only way to go for concrete identification of new species.
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who would I need to appeal to to have this made official?
There may be some sort of group that keeps a collection of established species names, but really I think these things just come to be slowly accepted. You write your paper on the new species, get it published in a scholarly journal, and if people accept it slowly it comes into use.
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would i need to make the name Latin-like "E.G. Agaricus-ghostfatherus" ? or would "Agaricus-ghostdad" suffice?
Im pretty sure naming just follows a lot of traditions. You dont want to sound like a jack a$$ and you want to give some description of the species through the name.
Awesome Thread.
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: metacohl]
#15741868 - 01/31/12 07:54 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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I heard there are 3 ways to name a mushroom, name it for it's features, IE agaricus brunnescens turns brown
psilocybe tampanensis was first found near tampa
psilocybe stunzii was named after Daniel stunz, a mycologist
I'm thinking that you have to find it more than one time, and you have to be pretty fantastic at identifying mushrooms, unless you wanna find out your precious new discovery is someone else new discovery 20 years ago, or in a different country.
The mycologist who first published a new species gets to name it, so if you found one, you still wouldn't get to name it
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: SomeGuy]
#15744214 - 01/31/12 06:13 PM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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I say always aim high. Getting to name a species is quite a lofty goal, and I'd consider it to be quite an accomplishment given the scientific nerdiness of it.
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The mycologist who first published a new species gets to name it, so if you found one, you still wouldn't get to name it
This is would be a bummer if this turned out to be true
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: ghostdad]
#15746400 - 02/01/12 07:51 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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ghostdad said:
so if I were looking into getting a newly discovered Mycological species named after myself, what steps would be needed?
None. Anyone who has ever attempted to name a species or strain after himself has fallen victim to the ridicule and scorn of the entire professional mushroom community as Stephen Peele found out the hard way. It's just not done.
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15746521 - 02/01/12 08:33 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Any links to Stephen Peele's difficulties?
All I found was his work in Florida (they seem really excited about his
schedule one permit)
Take care,
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: Javadog]
#15750813 - 02/02/12 07:11 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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I think RR is referring to Peele's Lepiota, but I think the ridicule was not so much over naming a species after himself (he never validly published a name) as much as his claims that it was psychoactive and the very convoluted and incomplete way that it was investigated. Not to mention that he was selling the spores.
But like RR said, it would be in very poor taste to name a species after yourself. Naming a species after a person is intended as an honour to recognise their significant contributions to the field.
To name a new species you must publish a description of it (both macro- and microscopic) in a recognised journal and show how it differs from related species (to demonstrate that it is in fact a new species). You must also designate a type collection (preserved specimen/s) that is lodged in a recognised herbarium, so that other researchers can access the material. The rules for describing a new species are set out in the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature and failure to follow them means that the name will not be recognised.
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: TimmiT]
#15750959 - 02/02/12 08:08 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Interesting. Thank you!
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: Javadog]
#15751131 - 02/02/12 09:09 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Once a year, there is a meeting among all of the head honcho zoologists, botanists, mycologists, phycologists, and microbiologists. you gotta be at the top of your field to get invited and it takes place in a different place each year. The meeting is to vote on proposed changes in taxonomic nomenclature for that year. those folks would vote as to whether your proposed species was in fact a new species. There have reputedly been fist fights among scientists at this meeting. If you think you found a new species, you can name it based on the latin; its considered uncouth to name it after yourself but folks have named species after their children and pets. It is estimated that there are 80,000 basidiomycetes in mountains of the blue ridge province in the eastern us. only a handful have been named; most of the rest being lbms (little brown mushrooms) Taxonomy is an art, not a science. its all made up by humans to make them feel better about themselves
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Thanks for the great responses thus far.
If the Shroomery had to name a species after a collective honorary, who would we chose?
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: ghostdad]
#15752896 - 02/02/12 05:41 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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all things being civil and democratic of course.
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: ghostdad]
#15754798 - 02/03/12 05:04 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Psilocybe rogerrabbittus
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roger rabbit, although I like the guy, is not a notable mycologist in the sense that I've never heard of him using a microscope or identifying a mushroom. He's a commercial mushroom grower.
My vote goes to psilocybe Rockafellarii
or maybe "Conocybe Zimmerescens
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: SomeGuy]
#15755316 - 02/03/12 09:19 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Psilocybe lipaceae
Catchy!
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Re: requirements for new species [Re: Javadog]
#15755823 - 02/03/12 11:37 AM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Lentinula Edodes var. Keithii
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