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 Amanita virosa
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 mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain 
#15729406 - 01/28/12 12:49 PM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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This culture came mis-labeled lions mane by sporefarmer. It was put from rye to bran enriched sawdust on 12-12-11 and colonized very fast. I also had a bunch of WBS cooked up and made a bag out of it; supplimented with gypsum, colloidal phosphate and Dolomitic lime. The shrooms began forming under the bag within 45 days on the WBS. I am wondering if this might be stamets strain. The mutated shrooms have huge, fleshy stems and are uninaginabley sweet. Maybe due to the WBS substrate? the Enriched sawdust bags formed fruits about two weeks later and are even more deformed than these.
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 BlueDruid
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: Amanita virosa]
#15734006 - 01/29/12 01:41 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Its possible the mutant is just due to the block being over-enriched with bran. I've got similar at present with huge stems &, on some, tiny caps.
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: BlueDruid]
#15736082 - 01/29/12 09:40 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
BlueDruid said:
Its possible the mutant is just due to the block being over-enriched with bran.
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Amanita virosa
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: mycoelf]
#15737225 - 01/30/12 07:20 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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yup, thats what I figured caused the malformation. What I was really wondering about was the strain; do yall think that 45 days to fruiting is quick for most strains of shitake? Could the WBS be why it fruited so early or could I be dealing with "he who can't be named" and HIS fancy stain. No way to know for sure I guess.
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mycoelf
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: Amanita virosa]
#15737307 - 01/30/12 07:57 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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That block is still white, 45 days to fruit Shitake 75 will do, with that much bran it is going to colonize super fast, Most shitake growers go with about 5 % supplementation from what I gather, you were in the 100% neighborhood. Shitake do mutate and make giant fruits that are often deformed in some way when over supplemented
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I love to trade wedges. Currently looking for a nice brick top and Pleurotus Eunosmus the Tarragon Oyster. I am also getting interested in the agaricus, so if you have a cool agaricus in good genetic condition PM me please
Sterility is a process that can be likened unto infinity, which is a long walk, the closer to the end you start before beginning, the more achievable the goal of infinity becomes. Remember, cleanliness in next to goddessness
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: mycoelf]
#15739675 - 01/30/12 06:04 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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Hey Mycoelf,
EM666's experiments have indicated that S75 does better,
mutant-wise, with no supplements at all. We have begun
to look at the spawn as the only supplement, and he even
began to reduce the amount of spawn used to control mutants.
Take care,
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Amanita virosa
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 Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: Javadog]
#15740210 - 01/30/12 07:43 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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Do the malformed shrooms decrease overall yield? or just freak people out and, in turn, affect their marketibility? The ones off of that birdseed cake really are the most delishous shitakes I have ever tasted; esp. the fleshy stems and the strange sweetness. Way better than oak log shitakes. Maybe I will start a mutant birdseed shitake farm; probly not!
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: Amanita virosa]
#15740393 - 01/30/12 08:26 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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thats pretty cool. I wasnt aware shitakes could be fruited directly off of WBS. Have you considered letting it brown a bit more prior to exposing it to fruiting conditions?
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: Javadog]
#15740647 - 01/30/12 09:38 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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Thanks JD, I was wondering the same thing, I did S75 last season at 10% and was wondering WTF cause I was still getting the giant mutants, and OP I bet the sweetness of those em mutants is due to the fact of soo much nutrition it is converting those starches to an overwhelming amount of sugars
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I love to trade wedges. Currently looking for a nice brick top and Pleurotus Eunosmus the Tarragon Oyster. I am also getting interested in the agaricus, so if you have a cool agaricus in good genetic condition PM me please
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Amanita virosa
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: flameclown]
#15741740 - 01/31/12 06:42 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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The enriched sawdust blocks browned out very quickly and are now completely brown but the birdseed is still white to this day. My guess is that the browning occurs in response to the breakdown of lignin. The cell walls of woody perennial plants become lignified over time; hardwood sawdust is full of it. Because the birdseed came from annual plants, it has comperatively very little lignin, and it doesn't seem to turn brown. again, my guess...
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Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: Amanita virosa]
#15746423 - 02/01/12 07:56 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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It's common for shiitake to form fruits on grains within 30 to 45 days after inoculation. S75 is a great beginner strain because it's so forgiving, has a wide temperature range, and does well on unsupplemented sawdust, including conifer sawdust. There's no telling what sporefarmer sent you. He didn't seem able to label cultures.
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Amanita virosa
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 Re: mutant shitake on wbs; unknown strain [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15746778 - 02/01/12 09:50 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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Yea, no tellin', esp. since they don't even SELL shitake syringes!
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