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Daijo said:
Enough of this ''psilocybin'' thing. It's not the active ingredient. It's only the prodrug of psilocin which is the active compound.

Since there's psilocybin and psilocin in shrooms, talk about psilocin first.

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Daijo said:
Nothing really to discuss. Psilocin is active directly when you eat. Psilocybin has to be dephosphorylated in your liver into psilocin, hence the longer duration of a shroom trip compared to a straight psilocin trip.

To answer your original question, if 0.5g put you in this state, I (personally) would not fuck with shrooms. But I have an history of anxiety with tryptamines, so I don't do them very often.

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Actually... Sounds like placebo effects... You did not get enough of anything ... I would be very cautious with mushrooms if you have mental issues... Mushrooms are not for everyone.

And once ingested, psilocybin is rapidly metabolized to psilocin, which then acts on serotonin receptors in the brain.

Mushrooms often contain psilocybin and psilocin, and also Baeocystin...  So, while it is more appropriate to talk about psilocin and brain receptors, I think it's fine to say psilocybin effects.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4026549

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I know there are actually many different compounds, but my point is that most people ONLY talk about psilocybin.

If there was ONLY ONE thing to talk about it would be psilocin.

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Actually... Sounds like placebo effects... You did not get enough of anything ... I would be very cautious with mushrooms if you have mental issues... Mushrooms are not for everyone.

And once ingested, psilocybin is rapidly metabolized to psilocin, which then acts on serotonin receptors in the brain.

Mushrooms often contain psilocybin and psilocin, and also Baeocystin...  So, while it is more appropriate to talk about psilocin and brain receptors, I think it's fine to say psilocybin effects.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4026549

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chewing it and swallowing the juice probably did deliver a small amount. i have read repeatedly that a great deal of absorption can happen in the mouth and throat, not just stomach. as fresh shrooms contain a higher amount of psilocin than dried, maybe this more direct path across the blood-brain barrier resulted in enhanced effects from a small amount.

anxiety is a totally common effect of low doses. it's also an effect of medium and high doses, but as long as you take enough, you will progress through the anxiety to a wonderful place. like being shot into orbit is said to be hair-raising, but once you make orbit it smooths out. with too low a dose you never make orbit, so it's all just pretty rough.

you do know that psilocybin/psilocin and other psychs are generally not recommended for people with a history of psychosis? be safe, huh? hope you have a sitter.

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Latherdome wrote: anxiety is a totally common effect of low doses. it's also an effect of medium and high doses, but as long as you take enough, you will progress through the anxiety to a wonderful place.

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There's nothing wrong with feeling anxious during a trip, with experience it gets easier to cope with, because you are able to accept that this is just a transitional phase of the trip. A trip can end up being very fun and extremely euphoric, but on the way there it can feel uncomfortable and overwhelming. If you are feeling bad, just recognize it as a temporary mental state, nothing more. Don't blame yourself for feeling any particular way, just wait quietly until you think of something more positive and try to focus on that.

Also, be aware that larger doses of mushrooms will produce mental states that resemble a kind of temporary mania/psychosis - racing thoughts, delusional ideas and so on. This is normal on higher doses of psychedelics, it can be fun, but if your mental state is a bit fragile it might not be a great idea to rocket into that kind of weird headspace. Don't be too surprised if your thought patterns become really strange when you are tripping.

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It was about 0.5 grams. I did not swallow anything, I spat the mushroom out but looks like its juices that was already in my mouth had an effect on me; body heat, feeling drunk, heart racing, body felt like it was "lifeless" when laying down in bed. It was a scary experience even at such low dose.

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Sounds like anxiety effects more than drug effects. Don't underestimate the power of the mind. A trip seems to encompass everything that exists. The entirety of your mental experience - your vision, your bodily sensations, your awareness of the external world - is "all in your head" and can be affected by a psychedelic trip.

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I was so scared last night. The feeling of "will this end" and "how do I back out of this in case it's too scary" occured to me. Do I drink lots of water, lol? I thought the high will last for hours (I read about 6 hours). If the feeling of being scared for 6 hours is the "high", then that sucks.

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They are not toxic, they are psychoactive. If you think in terms of eating a "toxic" mushroom, don't be too surprised if you suddenly start to imagine all kinds of "toxic effects" that feel very real but are just in your head. It's important to be comfortable with what you are taking. If you feel guilty about taking mushrooms, if you are paranoid about your grow, this negative vibe will probably surface in some way during your trip.



I think it's good to think of the trip as something nice that you are doing for yourself. You are taking time out to think, to relax, to experience something potentially wonderful but also dark, mysterious and ineffable. It's a journey - in some places it's hard going, in others it's impossibly beautiful. The combination of a little bit of fear, raw power, beauty and mystery makes the experience very special - if it was all plain sailing it would be less interesting.

If, for whatever reason, you really start to panic when you are tripping, I'd really recommend doing absolutely nothing. Whatever you try to do, in terms of getting help (unless you have a trustworthy and sympathetic friend to calm you down) will probably just make your situation worse. Just ride it out. Whatever horrors you are convinced are happening to you "I'm dying! I'm going insane!" are almost certainly not happening outside of your imagination.



Magic mushrooms are, in terms of physical health, a very safe drug. You might puke or panic but that's about it.  When you are trying to assess if everything is OK with your body and your mind, just remember that "I have taken a hallucinogenic drug, I'm hallucinating, this is normal." Whatever fucked-up state of mind you are in, someone else has been there before you and come back OK. It's supposed to be like this. The sooner you adjust to the insanity, the sooner you will start to enjoy yourself.

If you are careful with your doses, and slowly work your way up to a dose that feels satisfying but not too heavy, you'll avoid many of the scenarios I've outlined above. The biggest threat to your health and safety is from the legal status of the mushroom, not from the drug itself. You absolutely want to avoid a situation where you panic, convinced that you need urgent medical attention, and end up being escorted to hospital for no genuine reason, while the police turn over your grow.

Just take your own sweet time to explore the realm of the mushroom, become familiar with the effects, increase your doses very gradually between each trip until you find a nice level, don't trip too often - you should be fine. If you feel that the mushrooms are not helping you, or you don't enjoy them, just stop taking them.

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I'm expecting colors next time, I didn't see anything this time. Will I have to be in complete darkness or morning time is ok as well?

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If you want to "see colors" on a lowish dose, close your eyes. It doesn't really matter if it's day or night, it's just a different atmosphere.



Reading this back, it looks like I wrote a damn essay.

I hope I don't sound all "doom and gloom" but if you are tripping with an anxious mindset, you don't want unpleasant surprises, and it can help to think through all the worst-case-scenarios *before* you trip (you will soon realize that, actually, there isn't much to be genuinely worried about). Then, when you are actually tripping, it's easier to brush off your worries and think "fuck it, too late now, I'm going to enjoy myself." If, at some point in the future, you are gripped with "the fear" after taking a bit too much, I hope you recall this advice and think "they told me it would be like this... I feel shit right now but I have a feeling that everything is going to be fine".

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Daijo said:
I know there are actually many different compounds, but my point is that most people ONLY talk about psilocybin.

If there was ONLY ONE thing to talk about it would be psilocin.

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Half a gram fresh? That is .05 dry. You had an anxiety attack, period. I mean I advocate the low dose experience but there is no way you had that much effect from a half of a fresh gram of cubensis. When they are dried, they loose 90% of their weight in water. A low fresh dose of mushrooms, very low, would be five to ten grams. That would be .5-1 gram dried.

You had a placebo effect / anxiety attack thing. If you actually ate enough of the mushrooms to overcome your anxiety reaction, you would see that they take at least 20-45 minutes to come on and that once they do, you don't feel tense and anxious, you feel calm and serene, at that low a dose anyway. I know from personal experience - I always get anxiety before the fungus kicks in. It feels like it is going to be a nightmare trip but it only lasts for the comeup period - as soon as the drug actually kicks in, it disappears.

That's what I think anyway.


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I know there are actually many different compounds, but my point is that most people ONLY talk about psilocybin.

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Psiloc(yb)in. That's how I roll.

Sounds like placebo to me.

If you want to do mushrooms, actually eat them, and eat a significant dose (1.5g at the minimum).

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Half a gram fresh? That is .05 dry. You had an anxiety attack, period. I mean I advocate the low dose experience but there is no way you had that much effect from a half of a fresh gram of cubensis. When they are dried, they loose 90% of their weight in water. A low fresh dose of mushrooms, very low, would be five to ten grams. That would be .5-1 gram dried.

You had a placebo effect / anxiety attack thing. If you actually ate enough of the mushrooms to overcome your anxiety reaction, you would see that they take at least 20-45 minutes to come on and that once they do, you don't feel tense and anxious, you feel calm and serene, at that low a dose anyway. I know from personal experience - I always get anxiety before the fungus kicks in. It feels like it is going to be a nightmare trip but it only lasts for the comeup period - as soon as the drug actually kicks in, it disappears.

That's what I think anyway.


Also it is possible to feel very real physical effects from a placebo, if you're having an anxiety attack, absolutely.

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I'd be very reluctant to recommend mushrooms to someone with that background, but if you've already made up your mind to experiment, that's your decision. You may find the mushrooms help you to reassess your own issues in a positive way, on the other hand they may create or dredge up negative feelings, memories and mental states that make you feel worse.

The main reason I'm posting is to try and and give some helpful advice about coping with anxiety during a shroom trip:

Firstly, do be prepared for the trip to generate some feelings of anxiety. Depending on the dose, the setting, and the mindset of the user, this can range from very mild mental discomfort to a full-on panic attack.

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Latherdome wrote: anxiety is a totally common effect of low doses. it's also an effect of medium and high doses, but as long as you take enough, you will progress through the anxiety to a wonderful place.

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There's nothing wrong with feeling anxious during a trip, with experience it gets easier to cope with, because you are able to accept that this is just a transitional phase of the trip. A trip can end up being very fun and extremely euphoric, but on the way there it can feel uncomfortable and overwhelming. If you are feeling bad, just recognize it as a temporary mental state, nothing more. Don't blame yourself for feeling any particular way, just wait quietly until you think of something more positive and try to focus on that.

Also, be aware that larger doses of mushrooms will produce mental states that resemble a kind of temporary mania/psychosis - racing thoughts, delusional ideas and so on. This is normal on higher doses of psychedelics, it can be fun, but if your mental state is a bit fragile it might not be a great idea to rocket into that kind of weird headspace. Don't be too surprised if your thought patterns become really strange when you are tripping.

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It was about 0.5 grams. I did not swallow anything, I spat the mushroom out but looks like its juices that was already in my mouth had an effect on me; body heat, feeling drunk, heart racing, body felt like it was "lifeless" when laying down in bed. It was a scary experience even at such low dose.

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Sounds like anxiety effects more than drug effects. Don't underestimate the power of the mind. A trip seems to encompass everything that exists. The entirety of your mental experience - your vision, your bodily sensations, your awareness of the external world - is "all in your head" and can be affected by a psychedelic trip.

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I was so scared last night. The feeling of "will this end" and "how do I back out of this in case it's too scary" occured to me. Do I drink lots of water, lol? I thought the high will last for hours (I read about 6 hours). If the feeling of being scared for 6 hours is the "high", then that sucks.

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Sure, drink some water every now and then to keep you nicely hydrated, but you don't need to drink loads. You can't "back out" of a trip, but it will end, don't worry!  Even when a trip feels awful, this feeling often evaporates as you near the peak and the intensity starts to level off instead of getting steadily stronger. A "bad trip" is in reality much more likely to be a brief episode of fear than some kind of 6-hour nightmare.

Although a trip can be a challenge, facing this challenge, and realizing that you are ultimately able to cope with it, can be very liberating. In normal life, you can often back out of, minimize or avoid a situation that is generating anxiety. A strong trip, on the other hand, can force you to face up to and triumph over a mental state that initially seemed impossible to get through.

A difficult trip that eventually becomes highly enjoyable can be a beneficial and life-affirming experience, although it can feel extremely stressful at the time. Make no mistake, experiencing panic and anxiety under the influence of a strong dose of shrooms is not nice. A panic attack by itself can generate alarming physical sensations, and combined with the psychedelics, your thoughts can run out of control to the point where you are convinced that you are dying. (Eventually you begin to realize that fuck all is wrong with you, and you carry on tripping like nothing happened.)

Even a regular shroom trip at moderate doses can generate very weird sensations that can reinforce your own anxieties about the safety and sanity of what you are doing. The beauty of mushrooms, at least for me, is that at some point, however bad the trip feels, I suddenly realize that everything is OK, I can cope, I feel calmer, I start to feel euphoric, I feel stronger for facing my own fears. I begin to really enjoy myself.

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They are not toxic, they are psychoactive. If you think in terms of eating a "toxic" mushroom, don't be too surprised if you suddenly start to imagine all kinds of "toxic effects" that feel very real but are just in your head. It's important to be comfortable with what you are taking. If you feel guilty about taking mushrooms, if you are paranoid about your grow, this negative vibe will probably surface in some way during your trip.



I think it's good to think of the trip as something nice that you are doing for yourself. You are taking time out to think, to relax, to experience something potentially wonderful but also dark, mysterious and ineffable. It's a journey - in some places it's hard going, in others it's impossibly beautiful. The combination of a little bit of fear, raw power, beauty and mystery makes the experience very special - if it was all plain sailing it would be less interesting.

If, for whatever reason, you really start to panic when you are tripping, I'd really recommend doing absolutely nothing. Whatever you try to do, in terms of getting help (unless you have a trustworthy and sympathetic friend to calm you down) will probably just make your situation worse. Just ride it out. Whatever horrors you are convinced are happening to you "I'm dying! I'm going insane!" are almost certainly not happening outside of your imagination.



Magic mushrooms are, in terms of physical health, a very safe drug. You might puke or panic but that's about it.  When you are trying to assess if everything is OK with your body and your mind, just remember that "I have taken a hallucinogenic drug, I'm hallucinating, this is normal." Whatever fucked-up state of mind you are in, someone else has been there before you and come back OK. It's supposed to be like this. The sooner you adjust to the insanity, the sooner you will start to enjoy yourself.

If you are careful with your doses, and slowly work your way up to a dose that feels satisfying but not too heavy, you'll avoid many of the scenarios I've outlined above. The biggest threat to your health and safety is from the legal status of the mushroom, not from the drug itself. You absolutely want to avoid a situation where you panic, convinced that you need urgent medical attention, and end up being escorted to hospital for no genuine reason, while the police turn over your grow.

Just take your own sweet time to explore the realm of the mushroom, become familiar with the effects, increase your doses very gradually between each trip until you find a nice level, don't trip too often - you should be fine. If you feel that the mushrooms are not helping you, or you don't enjoy them, just stop taking them.

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I'm expecting colors next time, I didn't see anything this time. Will I have to be in complete darkness or morning time is ok as well?

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If you want to "see colors" on a lowish dose, close your eyes. It doesn't really matter if it's day or night, it's just a different atmosphere.



Reading this back, it looks like I wrote a damn essay.

I hope I don't sound all "doom and gloom" but if you are tripping with an anxious mindset, you don't want unpleasant surprises, and it can help to think through all the worst-case-scenarios *before* you trip (you will soon realize that, actually, there isn't much to be genuinely worried about). Then, when you are actually tripping, it's easier to brush off your worries and think "fuck it, too late now, I'm going to enjoy myself." If, at some point in the future, you are gripped with "the fear" after taking a bit too much, I hope you recall this advice and think "they told me it would be like this... I feel shit right now but I have a feeling that everything is going to be fine".

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CLIT said:
I like this. I feel confident now for my next trip. Hopefully next week. I'm still waiting for new fruits to pop up, my dried shroom could work but not sure how potent they would be. Upon looking at the picture I posted at the start of this thread, can someone tell which "breed" of psilocybin it is? It could only be one of the 4 I cultivated: Penis Envy, B+, A+, or Golden Teacher.

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You should do some reading I think, it's what I do before I consume something, I get all the facts, dosages, how to consume, effects, read experiences..etc. You would know this stuff, it's basic. Shrooms never made me feel drunk.

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I like this. I feel confident now for my next trip. Hopefully next week. I'm still waiting for new fruits to pop up, my dried shroom could work but not sure how potent they would be. Upon looking at the picture I posted at the start of this thread, can someone tell which "breed" of psilocybin it is? It could only be one of the 4 I cultivated: Penis Envy, B+, A+, or Golden Teacher.

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Your next trip? You haven't tripped yet by the sound of your post. It sounds to me like you're saying you washed one fresh mushroom, put it in your mouth, then spit it out. If this is the case, you felt 0 effects from the chemicals in the mushroom. I and many other people don't feel anything from .5 grams dry. You ate ten times less
than .5 grams dry.

Whatever strange placebo or other effect you experienced is far different from a mushroom trip experience. Keep that in mind if you decide to actually dose.

You said "breed" above, "variety" is the term you're looking for. Penis Envy, B+, A+, and Golden Teacher are all Varieties of the species of mushroom Psilocybe cubensis.

There is not a consistent difference among any variety of cubensis, with the exception of Penis Envy (which is often more dense). The names of cubensis varieties are made up by people who sell them for better marketing.

You'll hear the phrase "a cube is a cube" thrown around on these forums. This is why.

There is not a way to tell by the picture which variety of cubensis it is (and it doesn't matter what variety it is in terms of anything but curiosity). It's slightly less likely that it's Penis Envy, but I've read that Penis Envy fruits are not always the popular shape. Sometimes they just look normal. Not sure how often that happens, I haven't grown them yet.

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Wait so you didn't even swallow them? (Didn't read every word, hate blocks of text). 0.5g is rarely enough to do anything anyway. Sorry brah, but you were "tripping" off your own brain chemicals.

Edit: Okay now I just look up and see it was 0.5 fresh.. not dry. Which makes it even less because of the water weight in fresh mushrooms.

You should do some reading I think, it's what I do before I consume something, I get all the facts, dosages, how to consume, effects, read experiences..etc. You would know this stuff, it's basic. Shrooms never made me feel drunk.

No offense not trying to sound like a dick, but I'm not sure you should even be doing shrooms if a placebo effect makes you worried about stepping up the dose.
"Not sure if I should step up the dose to 1.0 gram (I have this amount readily available, look at the pic I posted, those 2 tiny things you see next to the big mushroom weigh 1.0 gram). I read someone say 10 grams should be the minimum. That's a bit high"

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did you see the bluing around the shrooms on my pic? I was told that looked potent. What's with the bluing anyway?

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Well which one of the 4 varieties is it that you see in my pic? I thought each one of the 4 had a different look. I thought I saw pics of them somewhere.

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Now when I had 0.5 gram of wet shroom (I did not eat the fruit, I swallowed the juices left in my mouth), I know I felt something, but everyone here seem to think it was either just placebo or just my anxiety. But the funny thing is, the next day, I felt like a new person, kinda happy and have a newer outlook on life. My concentration level was great, my OCD was zero. I was surprised I did so much that day like organizing my things that I have never organized in several months.

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It makes sense but what is considered moderate? I think I know what too little is (0.5 gram, my first dose), now what is too high? It's not like I'd be eating a bucket of shroom all day. Is a whole piece of shroom moderate? Depending on width, size, girth, etc. it should weigh about 15-20 gram (wet) correct? I think the bottom part of the shroom (the stem?) has most of the weight compared to the "head" of the mushroom.

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Whoever told you this was wrong. The blue is bruising. Much like an apple turns brown in a bruised spot, Psilocybe cubensis happens to turn a shade of blue. There are other species of mushroom that do not contain psilocybin that do this too.

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Well which one of the 4 varieties is it that you see in my pic? I thought each one of the 4 had a different look. I thought I saw pics of them somewhere.

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As I said before, it is not possible to tell which variety of cubensis you have by the look. I'm actually not sure if it's possible to tell at all.

It's worth noting that even if you could tell which variety it was, the variety is not consistently indicative of any chemical characteristic.

Penis Envy is the only one of the varieties you named that could potentially have a different look. However, Penis Envy fruits are not penis shaped 100% of the time.

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You have that a bit off.

Wet mushrooms are 90% water, therefor when the water is removed you have 10% of the original weight. For example if you had 35 grams of fresh(wet) mushrooms and then dehydrated them, you would have 3.5 grams of dried mushrooms.

Some say that 35 grams of wet mushrooms is a little more potent than 3.5 grams dry. Not everyone agrees, and in fact many disagree.

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Now when I had 0.5 gram of wet shroom (I did not eat the fruit, I swallowed the juices left in my mouth), I know I felt something, but everyone here seem to think it was either just placebo or just my anxiety. But the funny thing is, the next day, I felt like a new person, kinda happy and have a newer outlook on life. My concentration level was great, my OCD was zero. I was surprised I did so much that day like organizing my things that I have never organized in several months.

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It makes sense but what is considered moderate? I think I know what too little is (0.5 gram, my first dose), now what is too high? It's not like I'd be eating a bucket of shroom all day. Is a whole piece of shroom moderate? Depending on width, size, girth, etc. it should weigh about 15-20 gram (wet) correct? I think the bottom part of the shroom (the stem?) has most of the weight compared to the "head" of the mushroom.

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Mushrooms vary in size tremendously, there is no way anyone here can tell you how many mushrooms you should eat to get a desired effect. Even if two mushrooms were the exact same height and girth, you would still need to measure their density.

The only logical way to measure a dose is by weight.

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Looking at the pic I posted, those 2 tiny bits of shroom weighed about 1 gram (wet), now that it is dry, it weighs nothing.

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If it weighed about 1 gram wet then now that it is dry it does not weigh nothing, it weighs around .1 grams.

You need a scale that weighs to the nearest tenth of a gram, and you need to read A LOT more before posting anymore questions. I understand some people are not great at relaying their thoughts through typing, but from the sound of your posts you have not researched mushrooms in the least.

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I don't think so. What you refer to as orbit is the peak. With lower doses it's just the same, only that you don't reach the full effect.


Which means that (to OP again) you stay within the ability to have clear thoughts. With higher doses your normal brain functions get switched off more and more.

Like on a level 1 dose you have enhanced thoughts and feelings because your filters go down a bit. At the same time the psilocin docking to serotonin receptors give you a nice, calm, happy feeling. Remember that since serotonin counteracts anxiety feelings people with that diagnose often get SSRIs.
The higher the dose the more your filters go out and you won't be able to sort your thoughts into your normal good/bad schematics, so you will be messed up and see weird stuff. But you'll still feel good.

Only when you do weird things to yourself like watching a movie that compromises your morals like a movie where a lot of people get killed or something (just as bad as an example can be), your negative feelings get enhanced and you may also feel the disability to keep control as some bad thing. When you have a trip buddy you can trust, there is only a very small possibility this can happen because you're talking, joking, laughing about the effects and other stuff together and you can tell a person that you don't feel good if you need to.

I can not advise you to do it again, but if you do, take 0.5 grams with a friend and see how you feel. Shrooms are not as dangerous as most people think, on the other hand with a psychosis diagnosed you should either play it very safe or break free.
If you want to ever dose up, consider talking to people on this board about the dosage you're up to, because the effects shift to another direction the higher the dosage.

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CLIT you seem confused.

You need to eat at LEAST ten grams of fresh/wet mushrooms for a minimal experience. They are over 90% water. The other 10% is not psilocybin; it is the dry weight of the mushrooms. Psilocybin is active at very low doses - 10-30 mg or so.

The reason the 1 gram mushroom weighed nothing when dried, was that its dry weight is too small for your scale to register; it is less than .1 gram.

If you want a mushroom experience, but you want to be very cautious, eat about 10-20 grams fresh, or 1-2 grams cracker-dry.

I guarantee that your first experience was a placebo effect/anxiety attack type of thing.

You need to eat enough of the mushrooms to overcome your anxiety. It will work, trust me. Once they take effect, at low doses, it is very difficult to become anxious or freak out. It feels very calm and comfortable at low doses. If your mushrooms are extremely potent, you may feel minor effects from half a gram dried, or 5 grams fresh.

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with too low a dose you never make orbit, so it's all just pretty rough.

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I don't think so. What you refer to as orbit is the peak.

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I am relating my experience, not describing what everyone's experience will be. "Orbit" occurs for me after the peak and all through the plateau and part of the comedown. It's a cessation of all anxiety. Too low a dose and I never make it there.

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placebo forsure

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yes. i'm in love now.

I can't wait to see what Azurescens can do. I'm getting ready to prepare this to be chambered so it can fruit. I heard it's supposed to be more potent. Would a gram of Azurescens be more potent than a gram of other psilocybin shrooms?

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dogstar said:
So did you try it again CLIT?

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. I thought psychedelics work like marijuana where you can sit in front of a TV, have a beer, but I don't think it works that way.

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I think psilocybin mushrooms require relaxation and concentration that I am on psychedelic drug, therefore, no other distraction like music etc.

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OnePerEyeM8 said:
Saw someone link this the other day. Have a look at it OP. http://disregardeverythingisay.tumblr.com/post/9331287956/the-visual-components-of-a-psychedelic-experience

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Are you saying that a single mushroom dry weighed 1 gram?

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. I thought psychedelics work like marijuana where you can sit in front of a TV, have a beer, but I don't think it works that way.

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I think psilocybin mushrooms require relaxation and concentration that I am on psychedelic drug, therefore, no other distraction like music etc.

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While you're of course free to think this, it is wrong. No effort on the part of the tripper is needed to feel the effects of the drug.

For what most would consider a "trip" (2 grams dry and up), there is no way of ignoring the effects. They are extremely prominent and apparent.

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Sounds clearly like he tripped this time.. not a strong trip obviously, but still noticeable threshold effects. 20min onset, 2-3hour duration, CEVs, emotional ups and downs, laughing for no reason, slight wobbliness when walking. If that isn't a mild mushroom trip I don't know what is.

But CLIT, I think it's odd that you go from that to saying that your earlier experience after eating what is by any standard a sub-threshold dose of mushrooms was actually a trip.. it is clear that it wasn't, and almost certain to have been a panic reaction.

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I am relating my experience, not describing what everyone's experience will be. "Orbit" occurs for me after the peak and all through the plateau and part of the comedown. It's a cessation of all anxiety. Too low a dose and I never make it there.

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Oh sry, you're rightwith that, I mixed up the peak with the plateau.

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No one mentioned to me that my eyes had to be closed.

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The biggest fruit I picked and dried weighed at 1.2 gram (dry). Is this unusually heavy or not? It was as tall as a 12 inch ruler while the other fruits looked like about half its size.

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maybe trip is not the word I was looking for last time, perhaps "drugged" is better. Like taking one hit of marijuana, nothing more. Some drug gets in you, but you're not stoned completely, if that makes sense. But shroom is stronger, so I think it did give a first timer like me some strong effect, along with it my anxiety and other issues, with a combination of over re-acting. Like when some people are scared of needles or small insects.

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No one mentioned to me that my eyes had to be closed.

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That's because your eyes don't have to be closed if your actually tripping. The "psilocybin show" as you put it will merge with what your actually seeing in an incredible way.

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The biggest fruit I picked and dried weighed at 1.2 gram (dry). Is this unusually heavy or not? It was as tall as a 12 inch ruler while the other fruits looked like about half its size.

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A foot long? That sounds pretty darn big. Yeah I suppose 1.2 grams dry is within the realm of possibility for a mushroom that large, depending on how meaty it is.

How did you dry your mushrooms?

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The peak is usually around the middle of an experience. It's when the effects are the most intense.

The crazy colors and vivid visuals come at higher doses.

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maybe trip is not the word I was looking for last time, perhaps "drugged" is better. Like taking one hit of marijuana, nothing more. Some drug gets in you, but you're not stoned completely, if that makes sense. But shroom is stronger, so I think it did give a first timer like me some strong effect, along with it my anxiety and other issues, with a combination of over re-acting. Like when some people are scared of needles or small insects.

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This sounds much much more reasonable. Glad your getting the swing of the things.

You mentioned anxiety and other issues. I'm in no way passing judgement, but you do know that mushrooms can worsen (sometimes greatly worsen) some psychological disorders, right?

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I can't wait to see what Azurescens can do. I'm getting ready to prepare this to be chambered so it can fruit. I heard it's supposed to be more potent. Would a gram of Azurescens be more potent than a gram of other psilocybin shrooms?

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MorphinTime said:
CLIT, like it has been mentioned several times before, please do a lot more reading and research.  It seems like you took the initiative to learn how to cultivate mushrooms and obtain spores, but you didn't really continue your studies and learn about psilocybe mushrooms themselves.  It's apparent you did some reading on them, but you're asking some very basic questions whose answers you would have come across by reading more here on the Shroomery.

I find that the best way to obtain the information you're looking for is to:

1.  Research as much as you can.  The Shroomery has so much info about mushrooms; it's simply amazing! 

2.  When you have a question about information you find (after you read, read, read, and read some more), search posts on the message board to see if someone has asked your question before.  Chances are someone has, and the answer is there waiting for you.

3.  If you can't find a question posted that corresponds with your own, then definitely make a thread asking your question.  Plenty of posters here are delighted to share knowledge.

It seems like what you've been doing in this thread is asking others to give you all the answers to make up for the research you didn't do/do enough of.  You have to be responsible for your own knowledge.  Asking questions is great, but only if you've exhausted your ability to find the answers yourself.

Please do a lot more research, I swear learning about shrooms is enthralling.  I do commend you for starting with a microdose.  It's good to see if you're allergic to shrooms before jumping in on a dose large enough to trip from.  Having a reaction while tripping would be a less than favorable outcome to eating shrooms.  Also, a small minority of people are highly sensitive to psilocin, and some people can trip ballz off of 1 dried gram.  Most may only feel faint threshold effects at this dose.

Here are a few (just a few, comb through everything the Shroomery has to offer) helpful links:

Mushroom Dosage Calculator

What is, and how can I avoid/reduce come up anxiety?

Mushroom Notice

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Sounds clearly like he tripped this time.. not a strong trip obviously, but still noticeable threshold effects. 20min onset, 2-3hour duration, CEVs, emotional ups and downs, laughing for no reason, slight wobbliness when walking. If that isn't a mild mushroom trip I don't know what is.

But CLIT, I think it's odd that you go from that to saying that your earlier experience after eating what is by any standard a sub-threshold dose of mushrooms was actually a trip.. it is clear that it wasn't, and almost certain to have been a panic reaction.

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You should just keep in mind that you have just taken 1 gram dry, which is a rather small dose. However, many people are comfortable with small doses, you have a funny time and it's not overwhelming. When you take more, you will notice different visual effects plus stronger effects on your feelings, which can give a journey a completely different and at times overwhelming turn.

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I always thought eyes had to be open so I can see the "effects" on the walls, but it turns out this is not TV to "see" it. I guess it does not work this way then. Eyes have to be closed. It's almost like a daydream actually but eyes closed, not sleeping either.

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With a small dose, yes, the main thing you will see are "closed-eye-visuals." It does feel to me like slipping into a kind of dreamy trance.

I think of my CEV of being of 3 different types:

1) "Hypnagogic" imagery (like Zulu mentions), the kind of random images that pop up of "dogs on bicycles" or whatever - I see things like rows of toys. They tend to be almost cartoonish, brightly colored, often include objects in rows or grid patterns, and seem fairly trivial or silly.

2) Dreamlike/visionary imagery - the stuff mentioned as "like being in a dream/nightmare or movie. I saw short episodes of different scenes, both hilarious and depressing. I saw Armageddon." Scenes of more realistic imagery, sometimes almost like a slide show of images, or a short scene that takes place in my head - as though I am watching "the psilocybin show" on a private TV channel. This imagery seems to convey a kind of "message" or be linked with a particular emotional state - happy/gloomy/sinister.

3) Classic psychedelic imagery - "Grateful Dead t-shirt rainbow visuals." These are the characteristic fluorescent, shiny, extremely luminous abstract shapes that move, morph, repeat endlessly and glow behind my eyelids like neon signs. They develop out of the hypnagogic stuff, get stronger as the trip gets harder, and can become quite overwhelming. The "trip" itself seems to be embodied here, occasionally the shapes will form some kind of face, and during the peak of the trip this imagery feels like a gateway to some other realm.

The hypnagogic imagery is "located" right behind my eyelids, like staring at a TV screen. The classic psychedelic fluorescent imagery is also "located" behind my eyes, although as the trip gets stronger it just seems to be "there" whether my eyes are open or closed. The dreamlike/visionary imagery is closer to the way that sober imagination works, although much more vivid.

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