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About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency)
    #15699140 - 01/21/12 08:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So I've been browsing through the deep web for a long time now, using Tor. If one wants to buy something on one of those sites, he needs bitcoins, since that's the currency they use on Tor. I have the latest Bitcoin client installed and I have a label with an address to receive bitcoins.

I've looked into mining bitcoins, but you need a graphics card and OS that supports OpenCL for each bitcoin mining software I have encountered so far. Problem is, my laptop has a dual core CPU, an Intel GMA X3100 graphics card and my OS is Windows XP. As far as I know, my laptop does not support OpenCL. Therefore, I always get an error when I try to mine bitcoins with mining software...

So my question is: is there a solution to this problem? Is there a software fix or something like that to be able to mine bitcoins?

Or are there other ways to get my hands on some bitcoins? Additional information on the deep web, Tor and/or bitcoins is always welcome!

Any help is very much appreciated.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15699219 - 01/21/12 08:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Are you a :pedobear:?


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15699269 - 01/21/12 08:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you would be better off gettin a mining rig( computer with ridiculous GPU's) a laptop is horrible to mine on and most desktops arent any good unless they are meant for gaming.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Rilocybe]
    #15699348 - 01/21/12 08:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Can someone explain how this mining bitcoins works! I read about it but it was very technical and confusing. I just found out about the deep web and although it is very interesting it is one of the scariest things i've seen since Hiroshima

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #15699454 - 01/21/12 09:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have no interest in child porn whatsoever.

Pedophiles should be shot in the stomach.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Gorlax]
    #15699456 - 01/21/12 09:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This is creepy shit bro.  I wouldn't go there.  Murderers and rapists.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Rilocybe]
    #15699488 - 01/21/12 09:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Rilocybe said:
you would be better off gettin a mining rig( computer with ridiculous GPU's) a laptop is horrible to mine on and most desktops arent any good unless they are meant for gaming.



You're absolutely right about that, but that would cost me a lot of money. Money I don't have at the moment. Maybe I should start selling my 80mg OxyContin  (they are the old formula, so they would be worth a lot), I have lots of them, but I need them for my back injury. Also, it would be highly illegal...

Isn't there any way to get bitcoins without mining them or selling stuff?


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15699506 - 01/21/12 09:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

my suggestion is to get dwolla and via dwolla buy bitcoins from mt. gox. Please don't buy child porn or hire assassins.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15699509 - 01/21/12 09:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't understand why you would want to go on the deep web?  Are you a hacker or something?


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #15700127 - 01/22/12 12:02 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't even know what the deep web is, but now I want to go there.



No, not for that.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #15700578 - 01/22/12 03:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

> I don't even know what the deep web is

It is basically the "frontier" of the web, residing outside of the law.  It is the technological answer to regulation and censorship. 

> now I want to go there.

Install TOR and TorButton.  Once you are on the TOR network, look for the small onion logo near the address bar of your browser.  Click that.  Welcome to the dark underbelly of the web.  Most web sites will end in ".onion" rather than ".com".  There are no search engines and most of the site names are difficult to remember.  Bookmarks are your friend.  The SilkRoad Marketplace (http:// http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion) is probably a good place to start.

Be careful.  There is a lot of child porn that you can get without meaning to.  When it comes to child porn, I'm not sure how much the state cares about mens rea.  Be sure you flush your browser cache, clear your page file, etc, when you get done browsing. 

> Any help is very much appreciated.

Buy your bitcoins rather than stealing.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Seuss]
    #15700634 - 01/22/12 04:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What is "mining bitcoins" Is that what you are calling stealing?

Edit: N/m I googled it.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15701408 - 01/22/12 11:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You'd only make a profit off of bitcoin mining if you had started doing it years ago.  The profit from running a system with crossfire 6990's is pretty much not worth it.  Even after downclocking VRAM, the power consumption from the GPU usage is more expensive than the bitcoin return. 

The CPU is completely useless in mining bitcoins.  You don't need to use Tor to look up bitcoin info, and it will only slow you down to do so.  There are plenty of calculators/massive tables of data showing hardware/software/flags used and the MHash/sec as well as profit over a defined period of time(or losses).


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip] * 1
    #15701725 - 01/22/12 12:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

There are plenty of places to buy bitcoins, or exchange US dollars for bitcoins.

Exchanges:
Mt. Gox
TradeHill
GetBitcoin

For the current value of Bitcoins vs other currencies:
bitcoincharts.com

Online trading:
bitcoin-otc.com

Hell, you can even buy them at eBay.

For more information see:
bitcoin.org
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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: jammin]
    #15702856 - 01/22/12 04:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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my suggestion is to get dwolla and via dwolla buy bitcoins from mt. gox. Please don't buy child porn or hire assassins.

much appreciation.

Jammin



Due to the fact that I'm posting it on a website where drugs are being discussed, what do you think I would like to purchase with my bitcoins?

Hint: It is NOT child porn or an assassin.

Since I don't have any reliable sources to buy H. on the regular web, I've decided to give the deep web a try.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #15702932 - 01/22/12 04:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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You'd only make a profit off of bitcoin mining if you had started doing it years ago.  The profit from running a system with crossfire 6990's is pretty much not worth it.  Even after downclocking VRAM, the power consumption from the GPU usage is more expensive than the bitcoin return. 

The CPU is completely useless in mining bitcoins.  You don't need to use Tor to look up bitcoin info, and it will only slow you down to do so.  There are plenty of calculators/massive tables of data showing hardware/software/flags used and the MHash/sec as well as profit over a defined period of time(or losses).




I also asked for other ways to obtain bitcoins, I know you're right about the fact that it wouldn't be effective to mine bitcoins if you have to pay for your electricity yourself.

However, from monday to friday I live with my girlfriend. She pays each month the same amount for her electricity (so mining some coins with a cheap laptop wouldn't do any harm). She rents a studio and has all costs covered pretty well. In the weekends, I live with my parents (my girlfriend as well, since she doesn't have any contact with her fascist family anymore) where I have my desktop computer. I could leave it running all week long, mining bitcoins. At the end, it are my parents that pay the bill.

So if someone could provide me with some more information on obtaining bitcoins, please let me know. If anyone would know of a really good way of obtaining some, I'll even transfer some to your account (if you have one, that is).

Thanks to everyone who has replied so far!


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15706336 - 01/23/12 10:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

mtgox is what I'd use to get bitcoins.  If you are already on a site that uses them(like SR), then you can go through a broker and buy a MoneyPak card which they'll take a small fee/% and immediately transfer BTC's to you. 

If you have an nVidia card, or cards, they perform poorly at mining due to their architecture.  AMD cards are able to do the math required in one cycle, or something of that nature.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #15711576 - 01/24/12 01:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This is creepy shit bro.  I wouldn't go there.  Murderers and rapists.





lol. Sometimes bad things happen in dark allies but you wont find me scared to go down one cause I'm not scared of the dark. Sure there are hitmen/drug dealers/pedos/etc.... on a place where you can remain anonymous who wouldn't expect such things, but that isnt all there is. There is a whole bunch of normal crap and fun places to go.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: snoot]
    #15716080 - 01/25/12 12:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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snoot said:lol. Sometimes bad things happen in dark allies but you wont find me scared to go down one cause I'm not scared of the dark. Sure there are hitmen/drug dealers/pedos/etc.... on a place where you can remain anonymous who wouldn't expect such things, but that isnt all there is. There is a whole bunch of normal crap and fun places to go.



If you could provide me some links of 'normal crap' and 'fun places', please send me a PM. If you have weird/creepy/dark/illegal stuff, please send me a PM as well (I'm not interested in child porn, so don't send me such link please).

Thanks (and five shrooms) in advance!


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15721840 - 01/26/12 05:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

be warned the deep web is sketch! I browsed seemingly retarded websites almost the same way you would observe a car accident on the freeway just out of pure amusement! I visited the silk road and some of those hire assassin websites that are almost like comedic magazines. I just recently had my information stolen from my computer and someone used this to purchase 5 gift cards for 20$ a piece via itunes! it happened days after visiting the deep web and I didn't once go on a website that was porn or "hacker" type shit so be warned I think browsing anonymously opens your computer up to millions of desperate nerdy hackers that will do anything for money!!!

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Gorlax]
    #15722166 - 01/26/12 06:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Not if you take precautionary measures.  How can you even be sure the information was taken from a site restricted to Tor?  You may have a rootkit, or have had one for some time.  The sites I visit on Tor could certainly be compromised, like any site, but if you're on there it's because you want to be anonymous.  Aside from scripts or something, what would cause your information to be compromised?


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #15729239 - 01/28/12 12:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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You'd only make a profit off of bitcoin mining if you had started doing it years ago.




Years is a bit of an exaggeration (someone who started this time last year and sold them all at close to the peak would have done pretty well) but yeah mining sucks now. I started in July and basically got a free video card out of it but I don't do it any more. The price crashed but difficulty stayed fairly high anyway, bad combo even if your power is cheap. There is hardware available that is a lot more energy efficient than GPUs but it's also a lot more expensive.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: psi]
    #15732085 - 01/29/12 01:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It's no exaggeration.  There are multiple sites with very detailed calculators that get pretty damn close to being accurate, that is if you take the time to enter all the required information and ensure it's correct.  People would do this to make money, not buy a video card.  BTC Miners from the past couple of years put a shitload of money down to buy a lot of hardware, so before you're making a profit you need to pay the electric and cover what you spent on hardware(granted you can sell used hardware for some of your money back). 

I wasn't talking about mining to get $30 a month.  People were making thousands that got in on it early.  You wouldn't be able to pay of a crossfire 7970 setup by mining in the next 11-13 months.  All I was saying is that a large operation for mining isn't a good investment at this point, but if you already have a few PC's with the GPU's to do the computing(and cheap electricity) then by all means do some mining and play around with exchange rates.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #15734949 - 01/29/12 06:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, those who made the most money by mining undoubtedly started quite early. My point was just that many people who did not start "years" ago came out ahead after expenses and thus did in fact make "a profit". How much they made depends not just on how early they started (and power costs etc) but also on how big of an operation they were able to finance in the first place.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #15736243 - 01/29/12 11:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i agree with psi, that was exaggerating a bit.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: maggotz]
    #15736405 - 01/30/12 12:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Taken from bitcoinX using current BTC values @ $5.48/BTC
Coins Generated Per Block: 50 *Which will drop this year significantly*
Difficulty: 1307728.360000
Hash Rate: 1568 Mhash/sec
Video Cards: 2x 6990's
Cost of Mining Hardware(6990's ONLY): $1400
Cost of my electricity: 0.119 USD/kWh
Power Consumed By ONLY The 6990's(PC itself would use more):868

Here's the estimates, which are pretty accurate from what I've actually mined.

Mining Factor 100 at the end of the time frame: 0.22 USD/24h@100MHash/s
Average Mining Factor 100: 0.31 USD/24h@100MHash/s
Power cost per time frame: 830.00 USD
Revenue per time frame: 1637.73 USD
      ... less power costs: 807.73 USD

Hardware break even: 1 year, 179 days
Net profit first time frame: -592.27 USD *time frame was set to 11 months assuming the coins generated drop to 20*

So, taking into account the need to have an entire computer and not just the cost of the video cards, it takes a long time.  If you get into open air setups, as a lot of the hardcore miners did to lower initial hardware costs, you wouldn't break even if you were trying to make money.  By money I mean a decent supplement to income.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #15736935 - 01/30/12 05:07 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What I had said was that "someone who started this time last year (i.e. late Jan 2011) and sold them all at close to the peak would have done pretty well" and I still believe that is accurate, considering that the difficulty had only recently hit 5 digits at that point and didn't even hit 6 digits until around May: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-ever.png If I'm wrong, feel free to run some numbers based on starting at that date, selling all accumulated coins when the price first hit $20 (assuming a somewhat cloudy crystal ball) and then continuing to mine and sell from that point. Let's assume a $20k initial hardware investment and enough of a float to cover power bills until the coins got sold.

I agree that it would be quite foolish to try to do the same thing right now of course.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #15737048 - 01/30/12 06:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i know of quite a few people that made a lot of money off bitcoins and they started mining early last year, like psi said. hell, i made decent money and i didn't even mine them and wasn't even really trying to make money out of it. i got lucky but if i had been in it for the money i could have made a lot.
i agree that mining today is probably not worth it but saying you had to get in on it years ago to make a profit is an exaggeration based on my experience with them.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: maggotz]
    #15737144 - 01/30/12 07:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I mean even at 50k difficulty you would end up grossing ~$2800 a week with one Ghash if you waited until $20/BTC to sell, that's not pocket change to anyone I know. For me it was purely for fun, I got a $110 5830 in the summer and kept at it until I recouped the purchase price. Should have hit that point sooner but I waited too long to sell and had some losses screwing around with alt currencies. When the prices kept dropping I decided it would be a better use of my time and electricity to run lights to grow cacti.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: psi]
    #15739005 - 01/30/12 04:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, the best part imo is playing with the exchange rates.  That's where I've made the most money really after getting over 100 bitcoins.  :thumbup: 

Sometime this week I'm switching over to Linux to mine when I get my 7970's.  Just hoping to make enough of a profit to cover a good chunk of the cost of the cards.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #15739234 - 01/30/12 05:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

About those exchange rates: could I for instance buy Bitcoins now and sell them when they're peaking, or something like that?

Or would that be too much of a risk?

What are the expectancies concerning the Bitcoin exchange rates in both the near and far future?


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15741658 - 01/31/12 06:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If bitcoins end up taking off, you could make some money doing that.  There's always the possibility that they will go down in value, so only invest what you can afford to lose.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15761745 - 02/04/12 07:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

mining bitcoin takes AGES, and a beginner will have a really hard time setting up the required softwares which are clearly not user friendly (and where not meant to be).

Building a mining rig today is not profitable anymore, you will never generate enought bitcoin to get your money back.
(time to generate getting longer, value dropping)

the best way is to buy them, as said, there is a lot of site selling them to you, and it's legal.

yes, you could buy them now and sell them later if their value increased, BUT, the value is getting very low right now.

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    #15762111 - 02/04/12 08:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Is there any way to sell short on Bitcoins?


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: frost458]
    #15762184 - 02/04/12 09:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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frost458 said:yes, you could buy them now and sell them later if their value increased, BUT, the value is getting very low right now.




That's a good thing if you currently would want to buy something with Bitcoins, no?


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I would love to get feedback on that!
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I would love to get some feedback as well, for fuck's sake!

Also, I don't know where you live (I live in Europe), but I do know at least one honest online vendor that sells MDMA (no, not on Tor, but on the regular web)... They are based in Europe as well and deliver worldwide as far as I know. I don't know how much the average cost of MDMA is though, so I don't know whether prices are reasonable or not (they charge €90 for 1 gram, for instance). They sell RC's too (including 2C-I, 2C-B, 2C-T-2, 5-MeO-DMT, 3-MEO-PCE, and a bunch of other stuff).

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15762400 - 02/04/12 10:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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That's a good thing if you currently would want to buy something with Bitcoins, no?





only if they were to go up again one day, some say the bitcoin economy is going to collapse.

but for now, they seems to be going a little up :
http://blog.bitcoinwatch.com/

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: frost458]
    #15773381 - 02/07/12 11:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Value is getting low, so its good time to buy. I am sure its value will go up again when the number is closing to that 21 million in after some years...

Of course, now everyone starts to buy BTs and its value will go up anyway, after which it will drastically drop again.

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    #15773560 - 02/07/12 12:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Value is getting low, so its good time to buy. I am sure its value will go up again when the number is closing to that 21 million in after some years...

Of course, now everyone starts to buy BTs and its value will go up anyway, after which it will drastically drop again.

Triple social engineering.



The problem is: I don't have a lot of money. I'm currently looking for a job and I'm hoping on getting one within a month. So for the moment, I really can't invest my money in a speculating market, since I can't afford to lose any money at this moment in my life.

I bet I would make a lot of money if I would sell my OxyContin though (since it's the old formula - the new one hasn't even been introduced on the market in Europe as far as I know. But that would be highly illegal, and I'm not prepared to take the risks.

If only there was an easier way to get Bitcoins...


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15773580 - 02/07/12 12:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Could you sell other things?  Old DVDs, video games, books, electronics.  Other stuff that's just sitting around the house.

There's a website where you can sell stuff for bitcoins: bitmit.net


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    #15773610 - 02/07/12 12:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Could you sell other things?  Old DVDs, video games, books, electronics.  Other stuff that's just sitting around the house.

There's a website where you can sell stuff for bitcoins: bitmit.net



I could sell my collection of Metal CD's, tapes and vinyl. They would be worth at least a few thousands of dollars by now, but I'm too attached to them. Maybe I should sell my old Xbox (I have two - both the original ones, not the 360's), that would be a good idea, maybe. But I guess they aren't of any great value.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15774504 - 02/07/12 03:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Is this all truly anonymous?: Probably not. To the horse’s mouth, we go.

Update: Jeff Garzik, a member of the Bitcoin core development team, says in an email that bitcoin is not as anonymous as the denizens of Silk Road would like to believe. He explains that because all Bitcoin transactions are recorded in a public log, though the identities of all the parties are anonymous, law enforcement could use sophisticated network analysis techniques to parse the transaction flow and track down individual Bitcoin users.

“Attempting major illicit transactions with bitcoin, given existing statistical analysis techniques deployed in the field by law enforcement, is pretty damned dumb,” he says.
Though he may be saying that because Bitcoin hopes to be viewed as a legitimate business

source: http://thenewsjunkie.com/2011/06/inside-the-deep-web-my-journey-through-the-new-underground/


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: drSE]
    #15775577 - 02/07/12 07:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Only if you don't cover your tracks and use the same receive address more than once while not on Tor.  As well as taking the proper precautionary measures, SR has a sort of "bitcoin tumbler" that further increases anonymity.

I've been in the SR chat for almost two months now and talk to some of the large volume vendors on a daily basis, and none of them have ever been busted by LE.  It's pretty airtight if you know what you're doing.  Now, I will say that if you're doing bitcoin transactions for illegal things, and the amounts are 5-6 digits(which is pretty crazy in and of itself for the types of transactions on there), that yea statistical analysis could be used.  At that point however, most people running those types of 6+ figure operations have much more than one site/source handling all of their finances... similar to IOP's and how you have a different recipients for Moneygram/WesternUnion.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: drSE]
    #15775638 - 02/07/12 07:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Is this all truly anonymous?: Probably not. To the horse’s mouth, we go.

Update: Jeff Garzik, a member of the Bitcoin core development team, says in an email that bitcoin is not as anonymous as the denizens of Silk Road would like to believe. He explains that because all Bitcoin transactions are recorded in a public log, though the identities of all the parties are anonymous, law enforcement could use sophisticated network analysis techniques to parse the transaction flow and track down individual Bitcoin users.

“Attempting major illicit transactions with bitcoin, given existing statistical analysis techniques deployed in the field by law enforcement, is pretty damned dumb,” he says.
Though he may be saying that because Bitcoin hopes to be viewed as a legitimate business

source: http://thenewsjunkie.com/2011/06/inside-the-deep-web-my-journey-through-the-new-underground/



Seems more of an empty threat to me. Hundreds, if not thousands, of illegal transactions are being made every single day, using Bitcoins. I honestly think they're focusing more on other types of illegal activities, since it would be hard as hell to track down those illegal transactions and would cost a lot of money as well. At least, that's what I think.

But about exploring the Deep Web even deeper - either with Tor or in an other way: does anyone knows how to do this or at least give us a hint? Is there even a 'deeper' layer of the web than Tor? My guess is that there are MANY more things, far beyond our imagination, in the underlayers of the internet...

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Zorro]
    #15776145 - 02/07/12 08:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Is this all truly anonymous?: Probably not. To the horse’s mouth, we go.

Update: Jeff Garzik, a member of the Bitcoin core development team, says in an email that bitcoin is not as anonymous as the denizens of Silk Road would like to believe. He explains that because all Bitcoin transactions are recorded in a public log, though the identities of all the parties are anonymous, law enforcement could use sophisticated network analysis techniques to parse the transaction flow and track down individual Bitcoin users.

“Attempting major illicit transactions with bitcoin, given existing statistical analysis techniques deployed in the field by law enforcement, is pretty damned dumb,” he says.
Though he may be saying that because Bitcoin hopes to be viewed as a legitimate business

source: http://thenewsjunkie.com/2011/06/inside-the-deep-web-my-journey-through-the-new-underground/



Seems more of an empty threat to me. Hundreds, if not thousands, of illegal transactions are being made every single day, using Bitcoins. I honestly think they're focusing more on other types of illegal activities, since it would be hard as hell to track down those illegal transactions and would cost a lot of money as well. At least, that's what I think.

But about exploring the Deep Web even deeper - either with Tor or in an other way: does anyone knows how to do this or at least give us a hint? Is there even a 'deeper' layer of the web than Tor? My guess is that there are MANY more things, far beyond our imagination, in the underlayers of the internet...



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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #15778675 - 02/08/12 11:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If the Xbox works you should be able to sell them for about 50 each.. I used to sell alot
of older gaming systems on Craig's list.  The market is there. I love my Atari .
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    #15778841 - 02/08/12 12:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:Would you like to take the red pill or the blue pill?




What pill did what again? Fuck it, I'll take them both.

But seriously, I really want to explore the Deep Web much, much more further. I guess the best thing to is to keep reading about these sorts of things. Reading about it is what got me there in the first place.

Nevertheless, if anyone has some good information about further exploring the underlayers of the internet: please share them, I'm sure that I'm not the only one on this board that's interested in this subject.


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    #15780386 - 02/08/12 06:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:Would you like to take the red pill or the blue pill?




What pill did what again? Fuck it, I'll take them both.

But seriously, I really want to explore the Deep Web much, much more further. I guess the best thing to is to keep reading about these sorts of things. Reading about it is what got me there in the first place.

Nevertheless, if anyone has some good information about further exploring the underlayers of the internet: please share them, I'm sure that I'm not the only one on this board that's interested in this subject.



Anything in particular you are looking for?  People summoning demons during human child sacrifice?


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All sorts of illegal activity. The lack of social control in the Deep Web tends to intrigue me in some way...


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reeferaddict69 said:Anything in particular you are looking for?  People summoning demons during human child sacrifice?



All sorts of illegal activity. The lack of social control in the Deep Web tends to intrigue me in some way...



Don't go too deep down the rabbit hole.:ancientaliens:


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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All sorts of illegal activity. The lack of social control in the Deep Web tends to intrigue me in some way...



Don't go too deep down the rabbit hole.:ancientaliens:



Fuck that. I want to jump head first into the rabbit hole.

Do you have any information on how to "go deeper"?


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All sorts of illegal activity. The lack of social control in the Deep Web tends to intrigue me in some way...



Don't go too deep down the rabbit hole.:ancientaliens:



Fuck that. I want to jump head first into the rabbit hole.

Do you have any information on how to "go deeper"?



Not really.  I'd be interested to know though.  I am very mentally fragile.


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Summary: Inerested->deep web- > mentally fragile o.0 :awenuhuh:


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    #15781086 - 02/08/12 08:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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    #15782629 - 02/09/12 07:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Only if you don't cover your tracks and use the same receive address more than once while not on Tor.  As well as taking the proper precautionary measures, SR has a sort of "bitcoin tumbler" that further increases anonymity.

I've been in the SR chat for almost two months now and talk to some of the large volume vendors on a daily basis, and none of them have ever been busted by LE.  It's pretty airtight if you know what you're doing.  Now, I will say that if you're doing bitcoin transactions for illegal things, and the amounts are 5-6 digits(which is pretty crazy in and of itself for the types of transactions on there), that yea statistical analysis could be used.  At that point however, most people running those types of 6+ figure operations have much more than one site/source handling all of their finances... similar to IOP's and how you have a different recipients for Moneygram/WesternUnion.



what's the state of the SR these days? what's that btc tumbler you mentioned and how does it work? after reading this thread a couple days ago i decided to go there again after not being there for like a year. i saw the site was a bit more organized but the only section i checked was the lsd section and prices there were still absolutely ridiculous. i then went on  the forums and saw a section for the deceased ovdb and how some vendors might move to the sr. i think that should bring down prices, no? also, what would happen to your btc if you have your account on sr funded with a few hundred/thousand of them and the site goes down? there would be no way to get them back, right?

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    #15783085 - 02/09/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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maggotz said:also, what would happen to your btc if you have your account on sr funded with a few hundred/thousand of them and the site goes down? there would be no way to get them back, right?



I don't know about the rest, but from what I make of it, your Silk Road account and your Bitcoin wallet have nothing to do with each other. You need to have a Bitcoin wallet to receive Bitcoins in the first place. So if Silk Road would go down, you still have your Bitcoin wallet with all your Bitcoins in it.


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    #15791685 - 02/11/12 08:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

sr has an escrow system, you have to put btc into the sr system to buy anything.

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sr has an escrow system, you have to put btc into the sr system to buy anything.




:thumbup:

I don't ever leave much, if anything, in my SR BTC "wallet."  Hell, it's down so often that it just doesn't seem worth it to leave it there.

edit:  Didn't see your previous post maggotz.  The site is still good.  Cracked down on out of escrow sales... think they ban for it now.  The "tumbler" is being updated to something more secure, but the details elude me.  I haven't had my VM up and running for about a week now. 


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    #15792255 - 02/11/12 11:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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sr has an escrow system, you have to put btc into the sr system to buy anything.



I wasn't aware of that. So I assume there is a possibility one would lose his Bitcoins if the site would go down. I'm not sure about this AT ALL however, so I hope someone else can answer this question.


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You couldn't access them.  If you notice however, they have a withdrawal PIN in addition to your login password.  So you need to use the PIN for all BTC stuff.  As far as I know, if the site were to disappear or be compromised, it wouldn't be a good thing if you had a significant amount of bitcoins there.


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    #15792720 - 02/11/12 01:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I just found some bitcoins berried in my back yard!

Time to get the shovel!


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    #15798634 - 02/12/12 04:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Its not recommended you keep your bitcoins in one e-wallet. Multiple accounts with varying amounts. Plus, I hear you can create an e-wallet on an encrypted USB drive. That seems much safer than on the deep web itself.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: HighTek]
    #15848533 - 02/22/12 05:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

10 days old.. whatever.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Burbles]
    #15850257 - 02/22/12 11:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Mining is not profitable on my PC.  But my electricity is pretty cheap from what I gather. 

This could be a game changer,  http://www.butterflylabs.com/products/

With the Single they have there, I calculate I can break even in less than a year.  I can net ~10% in a year, at the current exchange rate which is a little high I think.

Still, Im having a hard time not pulling the trigger on one!  The Rig gets twice the hashes per watt as the Single.  Im in no position to spend that though.  It might be smart to find a few people to go in together on one.  The calculator on that at current rates spits out thousands in profit over the year.  Wow!

Edited by DieCommie (02/22/12 11:23 PM)

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: DieCommie]
    #15850966 - 02/23/12 04:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

> But my electricity is pretty cheap from what I gather. 

I hate (well, envy, not hate) you.  I pay just over $0.43/kwh right now.


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: Seuss]
    #15851698 - 02/23/12 09:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

$0.0523 is what I pay.

Electricity cost is non-linear iirc.  So just dividing my bill by Wh wont really tell me how much mining costs me.  I need to find the cost of the last Whs that I add on.  Im going to dig out my bills and figure that out before I pull the trigger on one.

Edited by DieCommie (02/23/12 10:24 AM)

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: DieCommie]
    #15857236 - 02/24/12 11:29 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
$0.0523 is what I pay.

Electricity cost is non-linear iirc.  So just dividing my bill by Wh wont really tell me how much mining costs me.  I need to find the cost of the last Whs that I add on.  Im going to dig out my bills and figure that out before I pull the trigger on one.



Just go for it, man.

And send me some coins!  :begger:


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: DieCommie]
    #15869333 - 02/27/12 06:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
$0.0523 is what I pay.

Electricity cost is non-linear iirc.  So just dividing my bill by Wh wont really tell me how much mining costs me.  I need to find the cost of the last Whs that I add on.  Im going to dig out my bills and figure that out before I pull the trigger on one.



I pay £0kWh-1 since its included in my rent so I can rock that shit 24/7.

Too bad I'm not a technically-inclined person but I sure as fuck am interested in the LSD thats offered on there :homerdrool::tripmolecule:

One thing I don't understand is what exactly is the value of these bitcoins. I gather they're solutions for mathematical problems but how come that equals goods and services :confused:


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: mellowparty]
    #15870542 - 02/27/12 12:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The value of these bitcoins comes from the fact that a community of people accept them for trade.  This of course seems flakey, and bitcoins are a very risky medium to keep.  But remember, this is the same thing that makes paper dollars, gold, and digital dollars valuable.  The fact that a community of people accept them for trade.  Because gold and dollars have been accepted for trade much longer and by more people than bitcoins they are of course much less risky.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: mellowparty]
    #15870656 - 02/27/12 01:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: DieCommie]
    #16215043 - 05/11/12 12:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
This could be a game changer,  http://www.butterflylabs.com/products/

With the Single they have there, I calculate I can break even in less than a year.  I can net ~10% in a year, at the current exchange rate which is a little high I think.





Finally got it last week.  Setup was easy and its performing just as claimed.

Ill break even and make a good profit with it most likely.  But I hesitate to buy more.  Some caveats include the health of the chips (rumors they are second hand) and of course long term viability of bit coin. 

Im glad I got it though, fun stuff!  I expect that after a few more iterations FPGAs will get nothing but more attractive.

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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: DieCommie]
    #16222284 - 05/12/12 11:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

ok so how long does it take u guys to earn 1 bitcoin and which pool are u using or are u solo.

Lastly i heard they were shrinking the blocks to 25bit coins, and at $5 per coin it seems bitcoin is going to be pretty much dead soon because from what i see so far its already pointless to mine them


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Re: About mining Bitcoins (the deep web currency) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #16222948 - 05/13/12 02:53 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

For the most part, yes it is pointless to mine. 

I have a rare set of circumstances including super cheap electricity and an incessant need to tinker with computers.

I mine using p2pool, a peer-2-peer style distributed mining pool.  But for the bitforce single I just got, I use the slush pool due to a technicality.  I would like get it on p2pool too, if they ever release a fix.

There is a lot of speculation about what will happen come Dec when the reward halves.  With the reward halving inefficient and marginal miners may get pushed out actually decreasing difficulty.  Also the slower creation of coins may increase value.  But in the end I dont think it will matter.  What matters is perceptions on the future of bitcoin.  If bitcoin is perceived to remain valuable and the few niche markets its good for remain then the value will stay strong through halving.  Otherwise the value will fall regardless of halving.

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