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2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You * 4
    #15663882 - 01/14/12 03:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This will be hitting RC vendors soon (2-3 weeks). There are custom synths in China now.

Since ketamine is a schedule 3 (S3), 2-MeO-Ketamine does not fall under the analogue act in the US. It's also legal in the UK.

The drug is basically the chloro group substituted by methoxy group. Experientially it feels more or less identical to ketamine. Or so I've read.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15663888 - 01/14/12 03:41 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Another RC I have 0 interest in :frown:

Where are the damn lysergamide methyl esters and all that business I ask :megapsycrankey:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: mellowparty] * 1
    #15663899 - 01/14/12 03:49 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Marketability seems to be the main driving force behind the RC scene. Shulgin, Nichols, Nick Sand, Ott, Siebert, and a whole slew of others were pushing the early investigations into tryptamines. Dissociatives and substituted amphetamines/cathinones are selling for the same reason than synthetic cannabinoids are: people just want to get really high.

Phenethylamines aren't as magical either. I wish development was going on with lysergamides (Al-LAD, etc.), but until we kill dubstep it ain't happening.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis] * 1
    #15663904 - 01/14/12 03:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Morphogenesis said:
This will be hitting RC vendors soon (2-3 weeks). There are custom synths in China now.

Since ketamine is a schedule 3 (S3), 2-MeO-Ketamine does not fall under the analogue act in the US. It's also legal in the UK.

The drug is basically the chloro group substituted by methoxy group. Experientially it feels more or less identical to ketamine. Or so I've read.

:specialk:




i have a feeling it will be as similar to ketamine as mxe is.

not at all.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Samuel L Jackson] * 1
    #15663921 - 01/14/12 04:15 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

MXE is usually compared subjectively to PCP.

There are a couple of insightful threads at Bluelight discussing the pharmacokinetics of 2-MeO-Ket.

Our page is now the 2nd search result on Google for this compound.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15663965 - 01/14/12 04:51 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

A guy I met talked about "meta-ketamine" and I was laughing hard inside. Could it be he was talking bout this?

naah no way!? where did you get this kind of info if the product is being synthesized now? :heart:



Could be a good way of by-passing the new laws against ketamine production in India and such places? I've heard a main compound of the synth has been made illegal and thats why ketamine is very hard to find now.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Hiei] * 2
    #15663976 - 01/14/12 05:03 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

India is indeed clamping down on distribution (also their domestic hash trade) and the effects have apparently been felt in the UK. 2-MeO was chosen because one vendor polled its members awhile back and this came out on top. It's just another way to skirt the laws. I say bring it on. This new research development is exciting. Ironically, the government who wishes to suppress drug use is creating incentive to synthesize new compounds. How about that for the snake eating its tail!

I get most of my information from other forums and individuals. I'm not personally involved in manufacturing or distribution in any way (and I'm not just saying that to cover my ass, lol). I just feel the need to spread information.

4-EAR is also coming out. It's just an ethyl analogue of 4-Methylaminorex, which is a tweaker drug with like an 18 hour half life.

Newer research shows is isn't neurotoxic though.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15663985 - 01/14/12 05:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

someone should make a crazy salvinorin analogue


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: venetianblinds] * 1
    #15664000 - 01/14/12 05:16 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I vaped 98% pure salvinorin A. Talk about a Godsmack.

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someone should make a crazy salvinorin analogue




Analogues are already being investigated.

2-Ethoxymethyl salvinorin B (symmetry, 2-EtOMe-Sal B) is a semi-synthetic analogue of the natural product salvinorin A, with a longer duration of action of around 3 hours (compared to less than 30 minutes for salvinorin A), and increased affinity and intrinsic activity at the κ-opioid receptor. Like the related compound herkinorin, 2-ethoxymethyl salvinorin B is made from salvinorin B, which is most conveniently made from salvinorin A by deacetylation,[1] as while both salvinorin A and salvinorin B are found in the plant Salvia divinorum, salvinorin A is present in larger quantities.[2]

2-Ethoxymethyl salvinorin B has a Ki of 0.32 nM at the κ-opioid receptor, and around 3,000 times selectivity over the μ- and δ-opioid receptors, making it one of the most potent and selective kappa agonists yet discovered.[3] In animal studies it fully substituted for salvinorin A and the synthetic kappa agonist U-69593, and was active at doses as low as 0.005 mg/kg.[4] Human bioassays found the compound to be active at 50 μg.[5]


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis] * 1
    #15664008 - 01/14/12 05:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Morphogenesis said:
I vaped 98% pure salvinorin A. Talk about a Godsmack.

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venetianblinds said:
someone should make a crazy salvinorin analogue




Analogues are already being investigated.

a longer duration of action of around 3 hours

Human bioassays found the compound to be active at 50 μg.[5]




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: aNeway2sayHooray] * 2
    #15664013 - 01/14/12 05:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

After peaking behind the curtain, it now seems as though we're trying to get backstage passes.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis] * 2
    #15664017 - 01/14/12 05:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Morphogenesis said:
I vaped 98% pure salvinorin A. Talk about a Godsmack.

Quote:

venetianblinds said:
someone should make a crazy salvinorin analogue




Analogues are already being investigated.

2-Ethoxymethyl salvinorin B (symmetry, 2-EtOMe-Sal B) is a semi-synthetic analogue of the natural product salvinorin A, with a longer duration of action of around 3 hours (compared to less than 30 minutes for salvinorin A), and increased affinity and intrinsic activity at the κ-opioid receptor. Like the related compound herkinorin, 2-ethoxymethyl salvinorin B is made from salvinorin B, which is most conveniently made from salvinorin A by deacetylation,[1] as while both salvinorin A and salvinorin B are found in the plant Salvia divinorum, salvinorin A is present in larger quantities.[2]

2-Ethoxymethyl salvinorin B has a Ki of 0.32 nM at the κ-opioid receptor, and around 3,000 times selectivity over the μ- and δ-opioid receptors, making it one of the most potent and selective kappa agonists yet discovered.[3] In animal studies it fully substituted for salvinorin A and the synthetic kappa agonist U-69593, and was active at doses as low as 0.005 mg/kg.[4] Human bioassays found the compound to be active at 50 μg.[5]



I've read some trip reports from these and not trying to sound like a drug elitist but damn that sounds like on awful, awful RC :lol:

Who in the right mind would like a 3 hours salvia trip? kappa-opioid dysphoria sounds like the least desired feeling to me.

How I wish there was more interest in the lysergamide field.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: mellowparty] * 2
    #15664021 - 01/14/12 05:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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How I wish there was more interest in the lysergamide field.




Do your own research then. What stops you?


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis] * 1
    #15664023 - 01/14/12 05:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Morphogenesis said:
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How I wish there was more interest in the lysergamide field.




Do your own research then. What stops you?



1. Lack of laboratory and other related resources
2. Connections
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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15664024 - 01/14/12 05:33 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

There is a blanket ban over lysergamides, the first analog act in existence. Also, getting the precursor is prohibitively difficult.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Asante] * 1
    #15664031 - 01/14/12 05:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Rational drug design is largely a theoretical process. It's possible to develop novel syntheses and share notes with biochemists, which is the crux of research and is what propelled earlier communities like The Hive. Trial and error occurs at the level of bioassay, but most of the work is on paper.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: mellowparty] * 1
    #15664040 - 01/14/12 05:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Who in the right mind would like a 3 hours salvia trip? kappa-opioid dysphoria sounds like the least desired feeling to me.





There is also N-Methylamide-Salvinorin A, and herkinorin - which "is a selective κ-opioid agonist with no significant μ-opioid receptor affinity." Binding at the μ-opioid receptor is what makes mitragynine (kratom) euphoric as an analgesic. If other analogues can manage peripheral binding it may retain the psychedelic effects but still feel more pleasurable.

Personally, I enjoy pure salvinorin A. Where you end up - if you retain consciousness - doesn't resemble normal reality, to say the least.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15664042 - 01/14/12 05:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

for every drug they ban, there will be a thousand new ones!

Hurray for research. :heartpump:


PS: whats the easy way to get pure salvinorin A, I guess extraction from salvia leafs?


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis] * 1
    #15664187 - 01/14/12 07:58 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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After peaking behind the curtain, it now seems as though we're trying to get backstage passes.

:learyharvard:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #15664228 - 01/14/12 08:19 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

ahhh im excited about this (the original topic)


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15664315 - 01/14/12 08:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Samuel L Jackson said:
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Morphogenesis said:
This will be hitting RC vendors soon (2-3 weeks). There are custom synths in China now.

Since ketamine is a schedule 3 (S3), 2-MeO-Ketamine does not fall under the analogue act in the US. It's also legal in the UK.

The drug is basically the chloro group substituted by methoxy group. Experientially it feels more or less identical to ketamine. Or so I've read.

:specialk:




i have a feeling it will be as similar to ketamine as mxe is.

not at all.





i have a feeling your probably right, but i bet it'll be awesome just like MXE.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #15664327 - 01/14/12 08:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

sounds interesting.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15664334 - 01/14/12 09:01 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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i have a feeling it will be as similar to ketamine as mxe is.

not at all.





Yeah, if you want to emulate Ketamine, its bad design. Its probably going to be closer to Methoxydine and Methoxetamine than to Ketamine.

To get concrete:

(RS)-2-(2-Chlorophenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone

THATS what you make if you want a Ketamine lookalike. Or THIS:

(RS)-2-(2-Chlorophenyl)-2-(propylamino)cyclohexanone

Methoxy =/= Chloro

Its as simple as that. To put it in Shulgin's phenethylamine terms, they're replacing DOC with TMA-2. Nowhere near. The molecules I'm proposing are like replacing MDMA with MDEA. Thats a LOT closer.

Still I'm going to test it cause in moderation its likely going to be daaamn awesome. No point in stocking up big though I think, its likely gonna be Methoxetamine Light.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Asante]
    #15664444 - 01/14/12 09:34 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

if it doesn't have the duration of mxe i'm in.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: millzy]
    #15664472 - 01/14/12 09:41 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Its almost certainly shorter lived than MXE.

It has a N-methyl group, the liver just bitchslaps that off on sight, leaving the primary amine which likely is less active.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Asante] * 1
    #15665335 - 01/14/12 01:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Wow you can tell the effects just having a look at the molecule. Thats.... awesome! :thumbup:

I will sell this pseudo-ketamine at raves and be rich! wohooo!!!


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Hiei]
    #15665535 - 01/14/12 01:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I hate RCs, you can't buy real drugs anymore because of this shit.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: ilike_trees]
    #15665589 - 01/14/12 02:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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    #15665592 - 01/14/12 02:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: ilike_trees]
    #15665619 - 01/14/12 02:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I hate RCs, you can't buy real drugs anymore because of this shit.




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Hiei]
    #15665700 - 01/14/12 02:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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for every drug they ban, there will be a thousand new ones!





when will they learn.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Legend] * 2
    #15665719 - 01/14/12 02:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Derpy derp...herpy herpa durpety durp


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #15665765 - 01/14/12 03:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I suppose I meant to say it's damn near impossible to really tell what you're getting on the spot anymore. "Molly" that ends up being amps, dxm, MD and some random RCs is not okay. I'm paying for MDMA, not MDWTF


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15665844 - 01/14/12 03:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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India is indeed clamping down on distribution (also their domestic hash trade) and the effects have apparently been felt in the UK. 2-MeO was chosen because one vendor polled its members awhile back and this came out on top. It's just another way to skirt the laws. I say bring it on. This new research development is exciting. Ironically, the government who wishes to suppress drug use is creating incentive to synthesize new compounds. How about that for the snake eating its tail!

I get most of my information from other forums and individuals. I'm not personally involved in manufacturing or distribution in any way (and I'm not just saying that to cover my ass, lol). I just feel the need to spread information.

4-EAR is also coming out. It's just an ethyl analogue of 4-Methylaminorex, which is a tweaker drug with like an 18 hour half life.

Newer research shows is isn't neurotoxic though.




Do you have more information about this WONDERFUL new RC that is coming? Oh boy I want to try this one

I do want to refer you to some information regarding 4-methylaminorex, stating that the rc won't be neurotoxic is a bit unbelievable.

these compounds have a very small difference between pleasureable dosage and overdose. It's very easy to overdose on these compounds. When we look at methamfetamine we realize that it is illegal to posses and use with out script. Script being the key here as the drug still is used for medicine. if we look at aminorex it was withdrawn and never put back onto the RX listings in 1968 due to its adverse and dangerous side effects.

"During its use, an unacceptably high incidence of pulmonary hypertension was reported, which led to the deaths of several individuals" which means of course that it does indeed lead to heart problems"
(erowidchemrefs)
Please remeber that these deaths were not street related but rather from the prescribed use of aminorex.

aminorex and its sister methyl aminorex have durations of over 30 hours. Fallen in the wrong hands it could lead to very adverse effects and you'll be up longer then you'd expect;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11083709
Recreational use of aminorex and pulmonary hypertension.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3928246
Aminorex and pulmonary hypertension. A review.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3738463
[Prolonged survey of cases of pulmonary hypertension in relation to consumption of aminorex. Histological, quantitative and morphometric study of 9 cases].
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/389330
Pulmonary hypertension, "plexogenic pulmonary arteriopathy" and the appetite depressant drug aminorex: post or propter?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3816924
Polymorphic debrisoquine and mephenytoin hydroxylation in patients with pulmonary hypertension of vascular origin after aminorex fumarate.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7901949
[Aminorex-induced, plexogenic pulmonary arteriopathy: 25 years later!].
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2399244
[Long-term follow-up of pulmonary hypertension of unknown etiology].
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10458725
Aminorex, fenfluramine, and chlorphentermine are serotonin transporter substrates. Implications for primary pulmonary hypertension.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10458725
Aminorex, fenfluramine, and chlorphentermine are serotonin transporter substrates. Implications for primary pulmonary hypertension.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12163129
Therapeutic and adverse actions of serotonin transporter substrates.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20204739
The serotonin hypothesis of pulmonary hypertension revisited.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19112110
Review paper: Current strategies in the development of anti-obesity drugs and their safety concerns.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18536742
Pulmonary hypertension: therapeutic targets within the serotonin system.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15194172
Primary pulmonary arterial hypertension: a look back.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12457145
Anorexigen-related cardiopulmonary toxicity.


Conclusion
-Short term use at ordinary therapeutic doses does not appear to cause harm.
-Prolonged or high-dose use can cause significant harm.
-Patients harmed by prolonged therapeutic use may have genetically determined differences in drug metabolism. So check your genotype before deciding if aminorex is too risky for you .
-Patients harmed by aminorex use rarely recover fully.

Potency and potential abuse factors vs . other stimulants:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7889809
Evaluation of the abuse liability of aminorex.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1356272
Aminorex produces stimulus effects similar to amphetamine and unlike those of fenfluramine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8516363
Cocaine-stimulus generalization to two new designer drugs: methcathinone and 4-methylaminorex.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9877004
Discriminative stimulus effects of S(-)-methcathinone (CAT): a potent stimulant drug of abuse.

Added note for paper one:

"Patient 1 is a 39-year-old man who owns a farm in rural
Pennsylvania. He presented in February 1993 with an 8-month
history of exertional dyspnea and syncope, and he was found to
have a pulmonary artery pressure of 56/20 mm Hg (mean, 34 mm
Hg) at cardiac catheterization. The pulmonary capillary wedge
pressure was normal, but left ventricular ejection fraction was
reduced to 40%. Patient 2, the 32-year-old wife of patient 1,
developed exertional dyspnea and syncope in November 1993.
Cardiac catheterization in August 1994 disclosed a pulmonary
artery pressure of 60/38 mm Hg (mean, 48 mm Hg).

Patient 3,
the nephew of patient 1, age 28 years, presented in January 1993
with dyspnea and light-headedness; at cardiac catheterization in
July 1993, he had a pulmonary artery pressure of 75/30 mm Hg
(mean, 50 mm Hg). No underlying cause for pulmonary hyper-
tension was found in any case, and all patients initially denied
ingestion of potentially toxic substances. Left ventricular function
was mildly and globally depressed in patients 1 and 2, although
left-heart filling pressures were normal. Pulmonary hypertension
has been persistent in all three patients, although echocardiog-
raphy in patient 1 suggested that pressures may have improved.
An investigation by federal Drug Enforcement Administration
agents resulted in indictment of patient 1 following the discovery
of a chemistry laboratory and > 20 lb of 4-methyl-aminorex, an
amphetamine analog, in a barn that was sublet on the farm.
Patient 3, who was not indicted, subsequently confirmed prior
4-methyl-aminorex ingestion."

-The pulmonary hypertension effect is genetically linked but rare, and these 3 just got unlucky.
-The pulmonary hypertension effect is genetically linked but common, so it is unsurprising that all 3 suffered.
-The pulmonary hypertension effect manifests regardless of genotype when someone has effectively unlimited (more than 20 pounds of 4-MAR!) ability to use aminorex compounds at recreational dose levels.

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someone should make a crazy salvinorin analogue




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It all depends on dosage. A mild dosage that comes up and tapers gradually of salvinorin is quite desirable to many. Chewing a few leaves, that sort of thing.


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salvia has the strange ability to kind of make me forget I took the drug while I'm peaking, imagine dosing someone unsuspectful with a 3hour salvia trip, lol

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    #15666505 - 01/14/12 06:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

eh, possibly.

it makes my heart race and makes me sweat profusely. that along with other strange body sensations and a rather intense trip is not enjoyable even in the slightest.

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I don't think Salvia should be smoked. I agree with you its a big blow to the heart. also the circulatory system, its one cloud of confusion and before you can do anything productive with it its gone.

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    #15666627 - 01/14/12 06:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Wiccan if I quid a small amour of 75x is is like a pinch? Is there a link explaining it I know you can't help with dosage. But it would be of great help

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I love Salvia.  Most people don't know how to enjoy it.  I do :smile:


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    #15666643 - 01/14/12 06:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What I do is constantly chew leaves for 10 minutes before swallowing. A few leaves can do the trick for me 1-2 leaves (about 0.1-0.2gr) is enough for treshold effects but can send you on a substantial trip in the aftermath of MDMA or work as a nod enhancer on poppy tea.

I dont believe your Salvia 75x is really 75x stronger than salvia leaf. Salvinorin is 0.3% of the untreated leaf.

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2-MeO-Ketamine? :strokebeard:

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I don't think Salvia should be smoked.




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    #15668018 - 01/15/12 01:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you have more information about this WONDERFUL new RC that is coming? Oh boy I want to try this one

I do want to refer you to some information regarding 4-methylaminorex, stating that the rc won't be neurotoxic is a bit unbelievable.





No one in this thread said anything about any RC being wonderful. Skip the hyperbole.

Regarding 4-EAR, you can find research from all sides of the issue, as always.

Here are studies suggesting the 4 methylated aminorex likely isn't neurotoxic. (Personally, I don't much give a shit about tweaker drugs).

"There have been three studies studying possible neurotoxicity of 4-methylaminorex. First study[13] using quite high doses (highest dose caused clonic seizures and some rats died) in rats and studying short term effects (rats were killed 30 min to 18 h after injection of 5, 10 or 20 mg/kg of racemic cis-4-methylaminorex) suggested reduction in tryptophan hydroxylase (TPH) activity (a possible marker for serotonin neurotoxicity) but citing study: "No change in TPH activity was observed 30 min after injection; by 8 h the activity of this enzyme appeared to be recovering." and "this agent is significantly less neurotoxic than methamphetamine or MDMA."

Study[14] published 2 years later than first one also suggested reduction in tryptophan hydroxylase activity, they used quite high dose too (10 mg/kg of cis-4-methylaminorex) and studied also long term effects (rats were killed 3 h, 18 h or 7 days after injection), they found reduction of 20-40% of tryptophan hydroxylase (TPH) activity and "recovery of TPH activity occurred 18 h after treatment, but was significantly decreased again by 7 days." but "It is noteworthy that, unlike the other analogs, the striatal levels of 5-HT did not decline with TPH activity following multiple 4-methylaminorex treatment"

Latest study[15] (using mice) was not able to find any long term effects suggesting neurotoxicity and they found instead increase in serotonin levels, they used quite high doses too(15 mg/kg of each isomers studied) "The dosages used in the present experiments are about 6-10 times than the effective doses of aminorex and stereoisomers inhibition of food intake." Doses were repeated 3 times a day and mice were killed 7 days after last dose. "Since a long-lasting depletion of dopamine or 5-HT appears to be a good predictor of dopamine or 5-HT neurotoxicity (Wagner et al. 1980; Ricaurte et al. 1985), the results suggest that the aminorex compounds except 4S,SS-dimethylaminorex, unlike MDMA or fenfluramine, are not toxic to either dopamine or 5-HT neurotransmitter systems in CBA[disambiguation needed ] mice. It was reported that although multiple doses of 4-methylaminorex caused long-term (7 days) declines in striatal tryptophan hydroxylase activity in SD rats, no changes were found in 5-HT and 5-HIAA levels (Hanson et al. 1992).[12]

That first study [11] also suggested reduced dopamine (DA) levels (a possible marker for dopamine neurotoxicity), but citing study: "However, 8 h after drug administration no differences from control values were seen in DA, DOPAC or HVA levels." and again later studies [12-13] didn't find any long term reduction."


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    #15668322 - 01/15/12 05:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Speak for yourself.

I'm sure there are those who believe DMT shouldn't be smoked either.





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    #15668334 - 01/15/12 05:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hey are there actually physical side effects that are dangrous from salvia?  Cuz I have all this 75x so...


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    #15668357 - 01/15/12 05:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. Shortly after you toke your blood pressure surges (systolic like 160 or 180) and the heart races. Smoking salvia is a sudden blow to the cardiovascular system and you';ree completely out of it while it happens so you might combine serious cardiovascular effects with that amounts to streneous exercise.


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    #15668364 - 01/15/12 06:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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    #15668369 - 01/15/12 06:03 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Because you asked, and I don't believ e in lying or sugarcoating.


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    #15668371 - 01/15/12 06:04 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Is there any research chems I can order which are similar to phencyclidine?

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you';ree completely out of it while it happens so you might combine serious cardiovascular effects with that amounts to streneous exercise.




:lolsy:

the first time i smoked salvia i thought it didnt work because i felt nothing for 30 seconds and then all of a sudden it slapped me in the face with such intensity that i jumped out of my seat.

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    #15668380 - 01/15/12 06:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

lol thats awesome.....first time I tried it I held it in and that's the last thing I remember before waking up covered in sweat and my friends were laughing their asses off.:crankey:


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    #15668386 - 01/15/12 06:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm, closer than MXE? 3-MeO-PCP perhaps. Much stronger in dose and effects than MXE.


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    #15668387 - 01/15/12 06:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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At first 3-MeO-PCP is not unlike MXE but then, above 15-25mg, depending on the individual, it gets UNBELIEVABLY intense.


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    #15668391 - 01/15/12 06:16 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have too much anxiety to do high doses of anything.  I can't even smoke weed without getting paranoid lol, I'd have to try a small amount of that stuff for sure.

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The highest doses I can take are MDMA and Methoxetamine. Methoxetamine of those definitely takes me highest.


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    #15668425 - 01/15/12 06:33 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Why oh why am I the only one so eager to try aminorex :wtfsonic:

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Tweaking out is not all that enjoyable to most psychonauts...


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    #15668436 - 01/15/12 06:44 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I guess i'm a polynaut:awedance:


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    #15668437 - 01/15/12 06:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

4-FA was rather impopular for years too after its introduction, only now is it rising to big drug status. Its really not so that the best RC's automatically float to the top. They tend to, but the latency can be long.

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    #15668441 - 01/15/12 06:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Normally I would leave the house between this and a month but my friend fucked up :kingcrankey:


I want to order some :tearchalice:

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    #15668451 - 01/15/12 06:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

2-fluorobenzaldehyde + nitroethane, dash of anhydrous ammonium acetate to make it condense, then cook the nitrostyrene with LAH in refluxing THF.


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    #15668620 - 01/15/12 08:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Speak for yourself.

I'm sure there are those who believe DMT shouldn't be smoked either.




DMT is accepted by the psychedelics community, salvia almost universally rejected because of the abrasive unhelpful nature of many smoked Salvia experiences. You dont get time to adjust to it, well most of us.




That's the point. You're not supposed to 'adjust' to anything. If you adjust to it, you're not taking enough.

Salvia doesn't tip toe around your little notions of a cute trip. "Aw, cool man, rainbow factals!" and such is left in the dust as your colon is turned inside out so the hyperdimensional squirrels can play hide and seek in your frightened little bowels.

Different strokes for different folks.

Absolutes like "don't smoke it" is akin to saying chicken soup should always be made with a certain recipe. And just because a lot of people are uncomfortable with the experience doesn't really say shit about subjective value.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15668860 - 01/15/12 09:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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you';ree completely out of it while it happens so you might combine serious cardiovascular effects with that amounts to streneous exercise.




:lolsy:

the first time i smoked salvia i thought it didnt work because i felt nothing for 30 seconds and then all of a sudden it slapped me in the face with such intensity that i jumped out of my seat.

i didnt move after that though. i was too busy looking around trying to figure out what was happening.




Holy shit, you could stand???

The first time, my body god extremely heavy and I fell out of my chair, bashing my head against my computer desk before I left this universe.  All other times I have smoked it, I have also woken up as close to the ground as physics would allow. :lol: 

Only smoked it three times, and that's more than enough for me.  The physical pain is overwhelming.


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you';ree completely out of it while it happens so you might combine serious cardiovascular effects with that amounts to streneous exercise.




:lolsy:

the first time i smoked salvia i thought it didnt work because i felt nothing for 30 seconds and then all of a sudden it slapped me in the face with such intensity that i jumped out of my seat.

i didnt move after that though. i was too busy looking around trying to figure out what was happening.




Holy shit, you could stand???

The first time, my body god extremely heavy and I fell out of my chair, bashing my head against my computer desk before I left this universe.  All other times I have smoked it, I have also woken up as close to the ground as physics would allow. :lol: 

Only smoked it three times, and that's more than enough for me.  The physical pain is overwhelming.



Exactly. It literally hurts to smoke Salvia. I feel as though every particle in my body were a grain of sand, and they are all just rubbing up against each other. :feelsbadman: I have a friend who smoked it and got up and ran and started climbing a fence, though. So I guess it's really different for different people

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #15668884 - 01/15/12 09:51 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I usually get stretched, and my bones snap first, and then my skin and muscles stretch to their limits, and start tearing apart.  It's like choosing to be dismembered while alive.  No thanks.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: BothHands]
    #15668897 - 01/15/12 09:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)



I lost absolutely all desire to smoke Salvia after my last trip a couple of years ago. Basically I had too much and at the beginning of the trip (before it was a full blown disaster of epic proportions) I literally felt as if I'm sitting on a chair which is on a highway and there is a big truck speeding up in my direction about to splatter my brains on the asphalt.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15668901 - 01/15/12 09:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You folks who are feeling uncomfortable and thrashing about with sweaty skin and tachycardia need to smoke more concentrated extracts. There is a marked dose curve in relation to intensity and body awareness. At least in my personal experiences, the irritability and physical malaise is either on threshold doses or at the tail end of the comedown. Otherwise, with a sufficient dose, everything looks similar to this while time and place dissolve:











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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15668924 - 01/15/12 10:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

First time I did salvia was 40x. Jumped up as soon as I saw my friends face morph and ran around in a football field at night, screaming and laughing, flailing my arms uncontrollably, spinning and what not.

Few weeks later, tried it again and it wasn't as fun, then 3 more times with only some but not intense CEV, then I just gave up on it and never tried again.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15668935 - 01/15/12 10:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I mean, that's cool and all. You're probably right that I've dosed too low when I've taken it. But like... I dunno, I guess I've just taken so many psychedelics that ridiculous visuals don't appeal me that much. Especially not enough to make the physical discomfort and utter dysphoria worth it. Especially not when there are drugs like DMT that feel awesome in addition to being very psychedelic.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15668938 - 01/15/12 10:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Who is that artist... :awethumb:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15668959 - 01/15/12 10:15 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I mean, that's cool and all. You're probably right that I've dosed too low when I've taken it. But like... I dunno, I guess I've just taken so many psychedelics that ridiculous visuals don't appeal me that much. Especially not enough to make the physical discomfort and utter dysphoria worth it. Especially not when there are drugs like DMT that feel awesome in addition to being very psychedelic.




I've only tried DPT, not yet DMT.

The primary difference between salvia and the tryptamines is that the "visuals" are more like visions with salvia (to my mind). I feel a part of them. It becomes an event that I'm participating in, rather than something I view on the surface that is being rendered (to use computer terms). With average doses of tryptamines I'm still an object operating in a spatial environment, while salvinorin just absorbs everything like a vacuum. There is no room anymore. That sort of complete immersion happened to me on DPT, but the body load on that - speaking of disphoria - feels like a borderline seizure (100mg+ insufflated).


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: blackhawk]
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First time I did salvia was 40x. Jumped up as soon as I saw my friends face morph and ran around in a football field at night, screaming and laughing, flailing my arms uncontrollably, spinning and what not.




See what I'm saying? You had a pulse and systolic of maybe 160 each and ran and flipped fully out of your gourd.  My guess is that unless you are a tweaker thats the closest you ever came to a cardiovascular event.


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With average doses of tryptamines I'm still an object operating in a spatial environment, while salvinorin just absorbs everything like a vacuum. There is no room anymore.




You're right about this. I don't like that feeling.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15668986 - 01/15/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Aw, but it's like spring cleaning for the soul.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15669011 - 01/15/12 10:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I try to clean mine steadily throughout the year so it never accumulates enough stuff to warrant a Spring cleaning :jellyfish:

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15669019 - 01/15/12 10:31 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I try to clean mine steadily throughout the year so it never accumulates enough stuff to warrant a Spring cleaning :jellyfish:




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15669022 - 01/15/12 10:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Lady Salvia has always been kind to me. Usually I find myself on the floor laughing hysterically when my awareness returns to my body. I understand why some folks don't care for it but I would love to get ahold of some pure Salvinorin A.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15669039 - 01/15/12 10:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This is my favorite.  It's very reminiscent of Scarling's cover art





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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: CavemanJohnson]
    #15669063 - 01/15/12 10:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I vaporized pure salvinorin A (2mg) and blacked out almost immediately. Whenever I "came to" I was at about mid-phase of the trip where self & body awareness starts to become reintegrated. This experience was particularly sinister: I was ripped apart by thousands of hands. They were the hands of all my dead relatives, and I only came back to consciousness because I wrestled from their grip. I had anxiety the remainder of the evening, with acute sensitivity to sound. I tried to turn on the shower to relax myself and the water running alone sounded like an auditorium cheering.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: BothHands] * 2
    #15669069 - 01/15/12 10:46 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This thread has nothing to do with 2-MeO-Ket now lol


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: blackhawk]
    #15669073 - 01/15/12 10:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This thread has nothing to do with 2-MeO-Ket now lol



ain't much to be said about it yet. there's some info on bluelight but that is about it.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Asante]
    #15669108 - 01/15/12 10:53 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The primary difference between salvia and the tryptamines is that the "visuals" are more like visions with salvia (to my mind). I feel a part of them. It becomes an event that I'm participating in, rather than something I view on the surface that is being rendered (to use computer terms)




That's actually a really good way to put it.
I'm glad I don't experience any of these negative side affects that you guys speak of especially the physical pain. Normally I just start uncontrollably laughing while slowly slipping out of the universe.
I don't feel like I really take much away from DMT or salvia trips, normally by the time I start to wonder what the fuck is happening to me it's wearing off.

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Speak for yourself.

I'm sure there are those who believe DMT shouldn't be smoked either.





DMT is accepted by the psychedelics community, salvia almost universally rejected because of the abrasive unhelpful nature of many smoked Salvia experiences. You dont get time to adjust to it, well most of us.




Hats off to anyone that can 'adjust' to a DMT trip. I really don't know how that would even be possible.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: blackhawk] * 1
    #15669111 - 01/15/12 10:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This thread has nothing to do with 2-MeO-Ket now lol




I actually like how the Shroomery threads flow in different directions like conversations. If biochemistry books put a titty on every other page, the world would be a lot smarter.

The "text book archive" approach to drug forums makes for quick reference, yes, but hidden in the pages of chatty aimlessness are a lot of gems if you stick around and plunder.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis] * 2
    #15669122 - 01/15/12 10:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If biochemistry books put a titty on every other page, the world would be a lot smarter.




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15669170 - 01/15/12 11:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I vaporized pure salvinorin A (2mg) and blacked out almost immediately. Whenever I "came to" I was at about mid-phase of the trip where self & body awareness starts to become reintegrated. This experience was particularly sinister: I was ripped apart by thousands of hands. They were the hands of all my dead relatives, and I only came back to consciousness because I wrestled from their grip.


Sounds very reminiscent of shamanic rituals involving dismemberment and rebirth. Salvia most defintely demands the user's respect.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: CavemanJohnson]
    #15669224 - 01/15/12 11:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Terrence McKenna respected and hailed salvia. I've never tried it, DMT honestly scares the shit out of me if I do more than like half a tenth. I usually just like a nice body buzz and some shifty patterns on the water or something. The four times I did "get there" I was sure that I was firing because I forgot how to breathe. Back in the real world; my friends said I was fine until suddenly I started saying I did too much and I couldn't breathe. Yet I was breathing fine... Oh psychedelics, what a volatile relationship we have :chong:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: ilike_trees]
    #15669256 - 01/15/12 11:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Werent you the guy who took like 20 acid hits?


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    #15669299 - 01/15/12 11:49 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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my friends said I was fine until suddenly I started saying I did too much and I couldn't breathe. Yet I was breathing fine... Oh psychedelics, what a volatile relationship we have :chong:




In TiHKAL there's commentary from one of the group members turning blue and needing ass-to-mouth resuscitation because he stopped breathing after 5-MeO-DMT. When he came back he was ecstatic and said it was amazing though. Talk about a trooper.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15669329 - 01/15/12 11:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm there. 

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Learyfan]
    #15669379 - 01/15/12 12:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I like to take an oral dose of salvia. Once the experience has reached it's peak, I smoke a bowl of plain leaf.

Rather than being violently ripped from this reality, it is like ascending on a gentle breeze.

I have yet to try MXE still. Maybe I'll just wait so I can get it along with this new one and compare them together.


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    #15669675 - 01/15/12 01:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have wonderful experiences with smoked salvia.

99% of people may not, but blanket statements like 'salvia should not be smoked' are definitely funny in this kinda community.

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lol thats awesome.....first time I tried it I held it in and that's the last thing I remember before waking up covered in sweat and my friends were laughing their asses off.:crankey:




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Hahahaha, wtf?


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
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now that we've established the harmful physical side effects of salvia, what about those of smoked DMT?


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    #15670005 - 01/15/12 02:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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now that we've established the harmful physical side effects of salvia, what about those of smoked DMT?



feels good to me man. it's a little unsettling but far from painful. not so different from the body high on shrooms

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    #15670025 - 01/15/12 02:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

ive coughed up some nasty shit after a night of smoking dmt like i was being paid to smoke it but other than that i cant say anything with respect to physical harm.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15670070 - 01/15/12 02:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Soooo... Any word on who that artist is? (:
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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15670083 - 01/15/12 02:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You can always tell when someone finds a new forum by the threads they make here.:lol:

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Experientially it feels more or less identical to ketamine. Or so I've read.




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    #15670106 - 01/15/12 02:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Experientially it feels more or less identical to ketamine. Or so I've read.




No you haven't, nobody has tried this yet.




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15670121 - 01/15/12 02:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Experientially it feels more or less identical to ketamine. Or so I've read.




No you haven't, nobody has tried this yet.




Yes, Sir. You definitely know.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #15670122 - 01/15/12 02:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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You can always tell when someone finds a new forum by the threads they make here.:lol:




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15670303 - 01/15/12 03:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Marketability seems to be the main driving force behind the RC scene. Shulgin, Nichols, Nick Sand, Ott, Siebert, and a whole slew of others were pushing the early investigations into tryptamines. Dissociatives and substituted amphetamines/cathinones are selling for the same reason than synthetic cannabinoids are: people just want to get really high.

Phenethylamines aren't as magical either. I wish development was going on with lysergamides (Al-LAD, etc.), but until we kill dubstep it ain't happening.

:randysavage:



i really like this thread but think it should be moved from the pub.

then we wonder why shit gets banned so quick.

those that want to know will learn, its all out there.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Apostle]
    #15670382 - 01/15/12 04:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Marketability seems to be the main driving force behind the RC scene. Shulgin, Nichols, Nick Sand, Ott, Siebert, and a whole slew of others were pushing the early investigations into tryptamines. Dissociatives and substituted amphetamines/cathinones are selling for the same reason than synthetic cannabinoids are: people just want to get really high.

Phenethylamines aren't as magical either. I wish development was going on with lysergamides (Al-LAD, etc.), but until we kill dubstep it ain't happening.

:randysavage:



i really like this thread but think it should be moved from the pub.

then we wonder why shit gets banned so quick.

those that want to know will learn, its all out there.

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:spun: individuals such as yourself are the sole reason why these chemicals are getting banned :spun:


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    #15670401 - 01/15/12 04:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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:spun: individuals such as yourself are the sole reason why these chemicals are getting banned :spun:



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    #15670404 - 01/15/12 04:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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now that we've established the harmful physical side effects of salvia, what about those of smoked DMT?



feels good to me man. it's a little unsettling but far from painful. not so different from the body high on shrooms



is there an increase in blood pressure, heart rate or anything? these are the things that shock people once they try a drug, since it's not really talked about.


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    #15670413 - 01/15/12 04:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If it wasn't for kids who cut their balls off after taking too much mephedrone these things wouldn't attract attention so quickly. And hologram is not exactly the type of person who would help to maintain their low profile.


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    #15670423 - 01/15/12 04:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If there is a substantial increase, the other subjective feelings are so intense that the increase is unnoticable. When I am on DMT, I don't feel "hot" or "awake" or "stoned". I just feel like pure... pureness. like being EXTRA EXTRA SOBER. The physical feeling seems to be highly connected to the mental experience. The feeling is very hard to describe... of course. That's what makes it so interesting.

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    #15670428 - 01/15/12 04:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If it wasn't for kids who cut their balls off after taking too much mephedrone these things wouldn't attract attention so quickly. And hologram is not exactly the type of person who would help to maintain their low profile.



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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Legend]
    #15670814 - 01/15/12 07:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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now that we've established the harmful physical side effects of salvia, what about those of smoked DMT?



feels good to me man. it's a little unsettling but far from painful. not so different from the body high on shrooms



is there an increase in blood pressure, heart rate or anything? these are the things that shock people once they try a drug, since it's not really talked about.




DMT seems to skyrocket heart rate and blood pressure. at least it feels that way to me...could very well be an imagined side effect, i guess. it's not like i'm sitting there taking my heart rate while blasting off.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: mellowparty]
    #15671220 - 01/15/12 09:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If it wasn't for kids who cut their balls off after taking too much mephedrone these things wouldn't attract attention so quickly. And hologram is not exactly the type of person who would help to maintain their low profile.




you know, i've been really, really, really high before, but have never had the inclination to cut my balls off. am i getting whack shit or something?


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    #15671412 - 01/15/12 09:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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:spun: individuals such as yourself are the sole reason why these chemicals are getting banned :spun:



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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Apostle]
    #15672003 - 01/16/12 12:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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:spun: individuals such as yourself are the sole reason why these chemicals are getting banned :spun:



:strokebeard:



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:spun: individuals such as yourself are the sole reason why these chemicals are getting banned :spun:



:strokebeard:



I handles mine.



Weren't you the guy who sucks cock for tar and sleeps in a bin with needles sticking out of your veins?





You really should stop basing your opinions of people on "facts" you think you know about them.Not trying to be a dick but thats the second time you did it in this thread.

People do stupid shit, its what people do. It sucks when people are judged their entire life because of one stupid thing they may or may not have done.

I have my opinions about members here and my judgements but I do my best to not let them be static. People change and so should my understanding and opinion of them.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #15672098 - 01/16/12 01:42 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I have my opinions about members here and my judgements but I do my best to not let them be static. People change and so should my understanding and opinion of them.



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I have my opinions about members here and my judgements but I do my best to not let them be static. People change and so should my understanding and opinion of them.



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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: mellowparty]
    #15672108 - 01/16/12 01:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:lolsy:


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    #15672411 - 01/16/12 05:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It's funny how fast news travels.

They could at least be a little more creative.

There's already a thread on another forum called "Coming soon to a vendor near you: 2-MeO-Ketamine"

http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?t=365029

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15672418 - 01/16/12 05:10 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

We dont talk about nonewbs  here.  :nono:



I think that person posts here. Ive seen a similar title for a user here but it said "/user/bin/drinking/". I forget who had it though. I am sure that post stemmed from yours here.


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    #15672421 - 01/16/12 05:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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We dont talk about nonewbs  here.  :nono:



I think that person posts here. Ive seen a similar title for a user here but it said "/user/bin/drinking/". I forget who had it though. I am sure that post stemmed from yours here.





Probably morrow. :lol:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: aNeway2sayHooray] * 1
    #15672424 - 01/16/12 05:13 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Did you just reply to yourself?


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    #15672430 - 01/16/12 05:15 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #15672447 - 01/16/12 05:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've had a salvia trip that was so weird once.

Basically, I took the bong rip of 20x salvia from Purple Sticky Salvia.  The next thing I knew everything was white.  Then a tube starting coming from the distance towards me.  Then I realized that a truck was driving in this tube towards me.  It was so small.  It felt like an hour before it finally arrived.

When it arrived I somehow instantly knew that I had a mission: To unload the contents of the truck.  However, I never was able to get up and walk to the truck.  I was literally incapacitated.  I tried and tried. No luck. 

Eventually the whiteness starting to form actual reality again.  But I still felt the presence of the "mission" for at least an hour.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: mellowparty]
    #15672615 - 01/16/12 07:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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:spun: individuals such as yourself are the sole reason why these chemicals are getting banned :spun:



:strokebeard:



I handles mine.



Weren't you the guy who sucks cock for tar and sleeps in a bin with needles sticking out of your veins?



If you take everything i say and mix it into one big ball of shit u can throw at me then yea.



"sleeps in a bin with needles sticking out of his veins", not really no.


in fact its been days since ive shot and im doing pretty well.

I understand that u usually poast in jest but what u say is simply not true.

The simple fact is, you are more likely to encounter a wreckless noob in the pub than anywhere else on this site. At the very least it will be their first stop and it shows up in google searches.

i could suck cock in a bin of needles for the rest of my life and no research chemicals would be banned as a result.

But continue on with the personal attacks, they hold lots of ground with all the rc's my dick sucking has caused to be banned.

Any real personal attack would be futile as your pudgy limbs n microscopes stand no chance against my drug fueled rage and power.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Apostle]
    #15672647 - 01/16/12 07:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

we all need some aminorex and tweak all day long

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Beanhead]
    #15672691 - 01/16/12 08:04 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i need some of my favorite sluts, opiates, amps and ganja.

i dont know of what u speak but i am sure its fun too.

also dmt. somehow i always forget my favorite.....probably cause it hasnt infiltrated my mind and caused me to think of it all day like the others.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Apostle]
    #15672752 - 01/16/12 08:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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    #15672774 - 01/16/12 08:46 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If there is a substantial increase, the other subjective feelings are so intense that the increase is unnoticable. When I am on DMT, I don't feel "hot" or "awake" or "stoned". I just feel like pure... pureness. like being EXTRA EXTRA SOBER. The physical feeling seems to be highly connected to the mental experience. The feeling is very hard to describe... of course. That's what makes it so interesting.




you feel extra sober on DMT?
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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15672775 - 01/16/12 08:49 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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You can always tell when someone finds a new forum by the threads they make here.:lol:




I'm scooping your air of pretentiousness and putting it atop an old skool ice cream cone and licking it with the tongue of jealousy.





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    #15672789 - 01/16/12 08:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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woah. ironic overload. considering you are the most pretentious user on this forum.




The difference being I'm definitely among God's favorite people. (That's meta-irony. Now who has the bigger E-penis?)


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15672849 - 01/16/12 09:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's funny how fast news travels.

They could at least be a little more creative.

There's already a thread on another forum called "Coming soon to a vendor near you: 2-MeO-Ketamine"

http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?t=365029

:lol:



twas me. I cross-post everything interesting I find between nonewbs and Shroomery :shrug:

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15672854 - 01/16/12 09:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Dude you have 35 thousand posts there :eek:


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If there is a substantial increase, the other subjective feelings are so intense that the increase is unnoticable. When I am on DMT, I don't feel "hot" or "awake" or "stoned". I just feel like pure... pureness. like being EXTRA EXTRA SOBER. The physical feeling seems to be highly connected to the mental experience. The feeling is very hard to describe... of course. That's what makes it so interesting.




you feel extra sober on DMT?
lolololol


yup. I'm not the only one. I've seen Envix describe his experiences the same way. Whenever I take psychedelics, I feel sober. I feel like I've been drunk leading up to that point. Drunk on life or whatever.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: mellowparty]
    #15672864 - 01/16/12 09:15 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It's the natural spread of info. I cross-post a lot as well.

The difference being I try to link back to the original, or at least indicate a pre-existing title with parenthesis.

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Dude you have 35 thousand posts there :eek:




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Dude you have 35 thousand posts there :eek:



that's nothing. many users have over 100k posts. I doubt I am even in the top 100 posters. that forum is basically just an overglorified chatroom. it's perfectly acceptable to make a thread titled "lol" containing nothing more than a smiley.

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It's the natural spread of info. I cross-post a lot as well.

The difference being I try to link back to the original, or at least indicate a pre-existing title with parenthesis.

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Dude you have 35 thousand posts there :eek:




Yea, I noticed that too. :shocked:



my bad bro, you want credit? I'll give you credit. seems like an odd thing to want credit for imo.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15672878 - 01/16/12 09:19 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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my bad bro, you want credit? I'll give you credit. seems like an odd thing to want credit for imo.




I don't want credit for anything, you misunderstand.

I just think it's important to understand the flow and origin of information. Who said what, where, why, and how helps paint a more complete, holistic picture.

I have nothing at all to do with this chemical, so I can't take credit for anything. On a personal level, I don't even believe in ideological originality, much less intellectual copyrights or any of that jazz.


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    #15672886 - 01/16/12 09:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:me neither

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    #15672890 - 01/16/12 09:22 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If there is a substantial increase, the other subjective feelings are so intense that the increase is unnoticable. When I am on DMT, I don't feel "hot" or "awake" or "stoned". I just feel like pure... pureness. like being EXTRA EXTRA SOBER. The physical feeling seems to be highly connected to the mental experience. The feeling is very hard to describe... of course. That's what makes it so interesting.




you feel extra sober on DMT?
lolololol


yup. I'm not the only one. I've seen Envix describe his experiences the same way. Whenever I take psychedelics, I feel sober. I feel like I've been drunk leading up to that point. Drunk on life or whatever.



I agree as well.

I wouldnt call it sober as much as i would call it free.

Its like im neo and i just realized i can pwn the matrix.

pimpin on shrooms is amazing although always spontaneous. its as if everything just falls into place perfectly and the world becomes your playground.

Never in a dangerous, i think i can fly way either. My intuition with negative energy and bad ideas goes into overdrive but in a positive way, its as if i could diffuse thangs with my sense of calm.

my only problem is losing the feeling as i sometimes suffer post trip "depression"

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #15672915 - 01/16/12 09:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Drunk on life




That's an apt description. :cool:

I've experienced psilocybin before akin to waking up from a dream -- which is an interesting analogy since naysayers accuse psychedelic drugs as being an escape from reality.

The real trip is the narrow spectrum we live in, while simultaneously believing that we occupy the entirety.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15672957 - 01/16/12 09:42 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

be a smarty, come and join the nazi party!


when I smell to much smartness in the air I feel the urge to say some nonsense :justdontknow:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Hiei]
    #15672979 - 01/16/12 09:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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when I smell to much




*Too

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    #15672983 - 01/16/12 09:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Im going to stockpile this shit, try it once and keep the rest for exhanges =) cuz once it is illegal itll be worth a lot more.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15673038 - 01/16/12 10:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Dude you have 35 thousand posts there :eek:



that's nothing. many users have over 100k posts. I doubt I am even in the top 100 posters. that forum is basically just an overglorified chatroom. it's perfectly acceptable to make a thread titled "lol" containing nothing more than a smiley.



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    #15673043 - 01/16/12 10:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen forums with user(s) that have over 1 million posts. I think it was on SomethingAwful but I'm probably wrong

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #15673046 - 01/16/12 10:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The simple fact is, you are more likely to encounter a wreckless noob in the pub than anywhere else on this site. At the very least it will be their first stop and it shows up in google searches.




That's probably a good thing, don't you think?  8 pages of in-fighting, crude jokes, a hipster, and no actual information.


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The simple fact is, you are more likely to encounter a wreckless noob in the pub than anywhere else on this site. At the very least it will be their first stop and it shows up in google searches.




That's probably a good thing, don't you think?  8 pages of in-fighting, crude jokes, a hipster, and no actual information.



smartie :thumbup:

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15673063 - 01/16/12 10:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

all the info you need is in the title. I'm just saying theres a place for this thread called ODD.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Apostle] * 2
    #15673089 - 01/16/12 10:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Information is neither contained nor privileged.

There is no special place for a library. They can be downtown, or in the country side, underneath a bridge, or inside a school.

There is no reason that a conversation about evolution can't also discuss how to find the G-spot. The best novels ever written (acclaimed as such) usually condense hundreds of different topics into the same story.

Ironically, anyone here complaining about this thread meandering or being devoid of content is furthering "the mess" by posting your dissatisfaction instead of contributing content.

And for the record, there isn't yet much to say but circlejerk around our excitement for its inception.



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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Apostle]
    #15673108 - 01/16/12 10:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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all the info you need is in the title. I'm just saying theres a place for this thread called ODD.




If you're typing "2-MeO-ketamine" into google, you probably already have all the information that's contained in the title, yes?


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: morrowasted]
    #15673113 - 01/16/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If there is a substantial increase, the other subjective feelings are so intense that the increase is unnoticable. When I am on DMT, I don't feel "hot" or "awake" or "stoned". I just feel like pure... pureness. like being EXTRA EXTRA SOBER. The physical feeling seems to be highly connected to the mental experience. The feeling is very hard to describe... of course. That's what makes it so interesting.




you feel extra sober on DMT?
lolololol


yup. I'm not the only one. I've seen Envix describe his experiences the same way. Whenever I take psychedelics, I feel sober. I feel like I've been drunk leading up to that point. Drunk on life or whatever.




on the surface:
wow that is an incredibly interesting way to describe it..... "drunk on life leading up to 'soberness'"


in my head:
honestly this is what is making me shy away from psychedelics in general. it does feel as if "life begins" once you dose, which i'm starting to dis-appreciate. When phrased like this, on these drugs is when I'm definately the most altered, yet feel the most 'on point', and thus consumed by my hubris. It has caused me to drastically change trajectories in my life, say things and believe things that true soberness uncovered as hollow and illusory. It has caused me to depend on this "clarity" at certain times when sustained soberness is truly what is called for. I reach for the "clarity" to see my problems as if I couldn't already see them sober (bad faith), feel accomplished because I thought my way through things, and never change my conduct.

also funny that morphogenesis claims to be anti-intellectual property rights yet still supports the hierarchy of information flow....

"hey, you can spread this info if you want, just make sure they know I said it first." :shocked:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: BothHands]
    #15673122 - 01/16/12 10:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yea that was kind of my point. Why have this show up in results especially IF kids do start dropping from this shit.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15673393 - 01/16/12 11:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Whats up with that 6-APB stuff?Anyone try that stuff?


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I am so excited to try this.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15673437 - 01/16/12 12:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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And what happens when they start selling it in head shops?

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: AntiEverything] * 1
    #15673576 - 01/16/12 01:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

we should start a secret lodge like rosae crux and tell our secrets only to initiates who pay :lol:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis] * 1
    #15673778 - 01/16/12 02:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Information is neither contained nor privileged.





fair enough.

i just prefer my drugs pure n legal whenever and for however long as possible.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Apostle]
    #15674193 - 01/16/12 03:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

in this day and age, the type of information such as the fact that "there's a new designer drug to hit the market, that's just like ketamine! totally legal!" should definitely be excluded from public eye. the shroomery isn't truely public eye though. there's a difference between talking about in appropriate places, and advertising it on youtube, in headshops, etc

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15674379 - 01/16/12 04:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Already seen this stuff in my town.

My first reaction was that it didnt FEEL like regular ketamine, and I then asked several people about it's sourced. I was informed that this is what it was.

It made me feel significantly more "jittery" than regular ketamine and gave me feelings of anxiety and restlessness. My body however did feel heavy and a big dumbed down.

It didnt quite feel like MXE either which I found to be rather pleasant.
It was also very psychedelic and dissociative.

I wouldnt say the feeling was enjoyable though...I felt like I was gonna have a seizure or die.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15674393 - 01/16/12 04:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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You can always tell when someone finds a new forum by the threads they make here.:lol:




I'm scooping your air of pretentiousness and putting it atop an old skool ice cream cone and licking it with the tongue of jealousy.





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woah. ironic overload. considering you are the most pretentious user on this forum.




The difference being I'm definitely among God's favorite people. (That's meta-irony. Now who has the bigger E-penis?)





:lolsy: Admittedly you ARE a pretentious asshole but I like you. You actually think for yourself instead of spouting off Mckenna or Leary like so many other people here tend to.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #15674519 - 01/16/12 04:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Already seen this stuff in my town.

My first reaction was that it didnt FEEL like regular ketamine, and I then asked several people about it's sourced. I was informed that this is what it was.

It made me feel significantly more "jittery" than regular ketamine and gave me feelings of anxiety and restlessness. My body however did feel heavy and a big dumbed down.

It didnt quite feel like MXE either which I found to be rather pleasant.
It was also very psychedelic and dissociative.

I wouldnt say the feeling was enjoyable though...I felt like I was gonna have a seizure or die.






many people here say the ketamine I found on new years eve was not ketamine, but I think it was. however, 2-meo-ketamine shouldnt be around yet. could be something else?


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    #15674604 - 01/16/12 05:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Whats up with that 6-APB stuff?Anyone try that stuff?




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: millzy]
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5 better than 6?


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    #15674640 - 01/16/12 05:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i'd love to check out 6 soon but haven't had the chance yet.


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    #15674652 - 01/16/12 05:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yea i have no clue on either...know this off topic but,how was ur 5 dose?


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200mg at once works best for me. but, it's not a social thing. it's the most fun you can have laying down though. i've read that 6 isn't as "heavy" feeling and more psychedelic. 5 has no visuals whatsoever but feels like your hardest roll doubled (at least). people tend to like 6 more but i'm impressed with 5. in my top favorites list for sure.

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I cannot sleep, should I jerk off for the 2nd time today?  :trollmove:


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    #15674776 - 01/16/12 05:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I love hearing about new RC's to read up on.


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This entire thread is just classic Shroomery. :mushroom2:
I :heart: reading about new RC's, even though I probably won't end up trying this one.
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I cannot sleep, should I jerk off for the 2nd time today?  :trollmove:



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    #15676232 - 01/16/12 11:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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:lolsy: Admittedly you ARE a pretentious asshole but I like you. You actually think for yourself instead of spouting off Mckenna or Leary like so many other people here tend to.




Haha, I was thinking the same thing, actually.  Definitely pretentious and hipster-esk, but also literate, witty, poignant, and interesting.  So I'll let it slide for sure.


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This entire thread is just classic Shroomery. :mushroom2:






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    #15677624 - 01/17/12 11:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This entire thread is just classic Shroomery. :mushroom2:
I :heart: reading about new RC's, even though I probably won't end up trying this one.
Ethylaminorex, on the other hand... :thumbup:





WATS DAT ?

I only find info bout 4-Methylaminorex

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Hiei]
    #15677686 - 01/17/12 11:44 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Hiei said:
WATS DAT ?

I only find info bout 4-Methylaminorex

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4-EAR is 4-ethylaminorex. Early studies and the compound patent suggest that it is significantly more potent than 4-methylaminorex (4-MAR)




Source 1
Source 2


I found this one on a Denmark website, in a forum discussion about new analog laws in 2012. They reference ordering it as if it is already available.

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Okay, I have not actually read the entire bill 
I had understood it to mean that all analogues of substances on the list was automatically illegal.

But if it's just fairly competent people who sit at the ministry, becomes as simple analogues of banned substances as also outlawed. I think certainly, we must be careful to order 4-ethylaminorex after the ban is in force. It sounds as if the police can now seize what they want.




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: millzy]
    #15943730 - 03/13/12 08:16 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Any news on this?

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Nullface]
    #15943841 - 03/13/12 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Hmm...

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Any news on this?




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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: CrossingTheStar]
    #15943853 - 03/13/12 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

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Hmm...

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Any news on this?






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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Nullface]
    #15943878 - 03/13/12 08:50 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I'm not asking for sources. I just don't see it for sale anywhere were the usual RCs are being sold.

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Nullface]
    #15943892 - 03/13/12 08:55 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I dont think it is available yet.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: LySergic D]
    #15943907 - 03/13/12 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

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I dont think it is available yet.



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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Nullface] * 1
    #15943958 - 03/13/12 09:07 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

you'll know when it is


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: dwtk]
    #15943963 - 03/13/12 09:08 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

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you'll know when it is



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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Nullface]
    #15944061 - 03/13/12 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

The vendor that was having it synthed disappeared without a trace.

Not sure what's going on but unless someone else goes for it or the company resurfaces it doesn't look like we'll be seeing it any time soon.


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #15948592 - 03/14/12 09:34 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

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AlmostAsCoolAs said:
The vendor that was having it synthed disappeared without a trace.

Not sure what's going on but unless someone else goes for it or the company resurfaces it doesn't look like we'll be seeing it any time soon.




I've seen quite a few vendors mysteriously disappear in the last few months. Its beginning to heavily concern me. :shiftyeyes:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: BothHands]
    #15948788 - 03/14/12 10:15 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

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BothHands said:
I usually get stretched, and my bones snap first, and then my skin and muscles stretch to their limits, and start tearing apart.  It's like choosing to be dismembered while alive.  No thanks.




lol

it always gives me this "pulling" feeling and yeh it can get pretty uncomfortable. the first time i did it i thought my skin was burning cuz somebody said the word "fire." i thought the people i was with were playing some game with me where everything they said i would feel  lol so i was freaking out on kid who had the salvia repeating "say something different!" say water!" and he responded "peanut butter" ... :lol:


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: owls]
    #15949669 - 03/15/12 03:39 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

what if you just replaced the chlorine atom with bromine?
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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Dest]
    #15949674 - 03/15/12 03:42 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

I want to abuse 4-ethylaminorex already :kingcrankey: ; but I already stated that on page 1.

Thanks for those links Meteloides, even at BL people were a bit shady about the compound; no information found. Even more potent as 4-MAR?

Damn that's one hell of a potent compound. Now to hope it has euphoric effects!

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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Beanhead]
    #15949693 - 03/15/12 03:54 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

You mean I can stop taking MXE?! Woot!


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Re: 2-MeO-Ketamine - Coming Soon to a Theater Near You [Re: Nymphaea]
    #16194567 - 05/07/12 12:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

truly relevant or not, I just wanted to know if anybody has got ahold of this and tried it ?

should've hit the markets on late feb?

I see it named on some shady sites, but thats all.


This is quite funny

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