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What's up guys? Baseball season is just around the corner, and the offseason has proved ridiculous thus far. Pujols and CJ Wilson to the Angels, Fielder might go to Texas, and my Mariners just traded Michael Pineda to the Yanks for Jesus Montero.
The Nats are shaping up nicely this offseason, as are the Marlins...2012 will prove to be an interesting year, especially if they add the 1 game playoff shootout!
What are you guys looking forward to in 2012? Any hopes for your teams to be playoff contenders?
World Series predictions?
Los Angeles Angels VS. Philadelphia Phillies
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I am most looking forward to seeing the Marlins and the new look Angels and the 2 teams I root for; the Reds and Indians. Reds brought in Latos for Cueto and a couple prospects. Reds have a pretty solid rotation
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and my Mariners just traded Michael Pineda to the Yanks for Jesus Montero.
Oh My Fucking Zappa! Dweezilmas in January! Montero was blocked for the Yanks. Pineda is incredibly promising. This is the biggest trade of very young studs in the making that I have ever seen. Oh yeah, Yanks signed Kuroda.
Holy Fucking Shit Brian Cashman goes into the Hall just for what he did today.
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stoked on some of the moves made, the reds are my nl team so I'm real happy about latos. Hopefully get to see some prospects throw for the rangers over the season and def watching to what drew smyly does for the tigers.
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cant wait for fantasy baseball
should be a fun year in the sport. some big change-ups happening
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and my Mariners just traded Michael Pineda to the Yanks for Jesus Montero.
Holy Fucking Shit Brian Cashman goes into the Hall just for what he did today.
yea I'm a little apprehensive about trading Pineda, but the Mariners need a bat so badly...especially since we are going to get crushed again by LA and Texas this year. I really want to see us finish .500 this season. My job hinges on the quality of our sports teams, and when you draw 15,000 fans, business is slow...
Pineda is a beast. Idk how much you watched him pitch last year, but I saw every one of his starts...and he is good. Real good. Once he refines his change...he could easily be one of the best pitchers in baseball. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins 20+ games He's fucking huge, too. 6'7 260lb 
Smoak, Montero, Ackley, Guttierez & Ichiro (who both need to rebound) Mike Carp...
Mariners could be aight...plus we'll see what Hultzen has to say in 2012
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: Anthony]
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Baby CC! They're just going to have find a position for Montero. It's not an accident that the Yanks didn't showcase his catching skills in the call-up.
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Baby CC! They're just going to have find a position for Montero. It's not an accident that the Yanks didn't showcase his catching skills in the call-up.
he will definitely go DH/1B, which kind of devalues the trade a little bit. Montero was highly prized because he was a catching prospect, and there aren't many power hitting catchers in the league right now (maybe buster posey?).
Although it's been proven that players who catch suffer a decline in their abilities at the plate. This can be attributed to the physical strain necessary to play catcher, among other things.
We brought Montero here to hit, and that's precisely what he's going to do. I really don't like the fact that the M's traded Campos as well, but what can ya do?
Hopefully we will sign Oswalt or Edwin Jackson to a short contract to fill the void until Hultzen, Paxton and Walker are MLB ready.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: Anthony]
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Smoak is first so the Mariners just gave up a monster baby they wouldn't have to pay for years for a young hitter who will clutter up the DH spot. Who the fuck is running that team? Forrest Gump?
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Smoak is first so the Mariners just gave up a monster baby they wouldn't have to pay for years for a young hitter who will clutter up the DH spot. Who the fuck is running that team? Forrest Gump?
montero is one of the highest rated young batters in the game right now.
There's definitely a risk you run building your team around young pitching. Pineda had elbow problems in the minors in '09, and the Yanks should be grateful our management limited his innings last year.
Plus, we have 3 of the top pitching prospects in our AAA system right now. Pineda is replaceable. Danny Hultzen and James Paxton are both likely going to be comparable, if not better than Pineda.
Not to mention that batting was particularly light in the 2012 free agency, and if the M's aren't going to bring in Fielder (who is the only amazing free agent left) then Montero isn't a bad replacement.
He has a lot of opposite field power, and hopefully won't be inhibited by left field in Safeco.
I think this was a good trade for both teams. The Yanks got the better end of the deal, but considering the tough spot the Mariners were in, this move needed to be made.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: Anthony]
#15665389 - 01/14/12 12:23 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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What position is Montero going to play?
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The more I think about this from the Seattle point of view the more I'm guessing that they tried to peddle Felix but the Yanks weren't buying the contract problem.
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What position is Montero going to play?
DH. I can't see him filling any other role. Smoak will start at 1st, and I don't think we would have signed Jaso if we had intentions of Montero catching.
I mean, you never know, I guess Mike Piazza wasn't very good defensively when he started his career either. I mean, last year Miguel Olivo lead our team in HR's with 19. Montero could easily double that.
I think they would have been smarter to deal Felix, because Felix has more value than pineda, and we probably wouldn't have had to give you guys Campos either.
We need a power bat in our lineup, and if Ichiro and Gutti bounce back from a dismal 2011, we could easily finish above .500. Definitely a success by mariners standards
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: Anthony]
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What position is Montero going to play?
DH. I can't see him filling any other role. Smoak will start at 1st, and I don't think we would have signed Jaso if we had intentions of Montero catching.
I agree. Which is why I scratched my head . I would never lock up DH with a youngster. Ever.Quote:
I mean, you never know, I guess Mike Piazza wasn't very good defensively when he started his career either. I mean, last year Miguel Olivo lead our team in HR's with 19. Montero could easily double that.
That's just a tiny reach. Not being sarcastic.Quote:
I think they would have been smarter to deal Felix, because Felix has more value than pineda, and we probably wouldn't have had to give you guys Campos either.
I disagree. I think Felix had LESS value.Quote:
We need a power bat in our lineup, and if Ichiro and Gutti bounce back from a dismal 2011, we could easily finish above .500. Definitely a success by mariners standards
Don't count on much from Ichiro here on out
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I think Felix is better because he is still young, has much better composure, his pitches are nastier, and overall I think he demands control of the game more than Pineda.
Pineda is a lot riskier than Felix as well.
I guess I shouldn't say montero could EASILY hit 38 Hrs, but he definitely has that capability.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: Anthony]
#15665654 - 01/14/12 01:31 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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He sure does.
My point about Pineda/Felix is strictly money.
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true, Pineda is the best pitcher you are going to get for that money. No doubt. Now I just hope he gets injured 
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#15665690 - 01/14/12 01:38 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Montero is a gay Haitian needle addict. You didn't know?
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Cards fan here. Although we lost Pujols, I think by picking up Beltran and getting Waino back, there's still a great chance for making another post-season run, but we'll see.
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#15667926 - 01/14/12 11:59 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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I cant believe they let their franchise get away, even at the price the Angels paid. Pujols was the Cardinals. I dont think they'll make the playoffs this year
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Acquiring Pineda was an excellent move. I even agree with you about Montero. Not sure you should get a boner for Kuroda, but the Yankees did get a good deal on him. I am puzzled as to why nobody is throwing the tires on Roy Oswalt for the price he's at right now.
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Acquiring Pineda was an excellent move. I even agree with you about Montero. Not sure you should get a boner for Kuroda, but the Yankees did get a good deal on him. I am puzzled as to why nobody is throwing the tires on Roy Oswalt for the price he's at right now.
I hope the Mariners ink Oswalt to a 1 year deal, hopefully he will have good numbers in safeco, and we can shop him at the deadline for some young talent.
Edwin Jackson is also a viable free agent starter.
I just read that Victor Martinez tore his ACL! Ugh, how sad. I love V-Mart...now he's gonna miss the entire 2012 season. Looks like the Tigers might get fucked.
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#15679573 - 01/17/12 05:17 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Lets Go Bucs
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The Phillies are winning the NL East again, although no doubt this year will be way tougher than any before. The Nats are looking OK, but I don't expect them to even make the playoffs this year (unless they land Fielder). The Marlins and Braves will battle it out for a playoff spot, at least one WC is going to a NL East team IMO.
And I'm calling it now, with the pitching staff the Phils have going deep and steering clear of letting up a lot of runs, I think Papelbon can break 50+ saves this season. Side note, didn't like how much they paid him or how long but whatever. Also Thome and Nix playing off the bench should be fun to watch, and Mayberry will be starting at first and I think he will start all year at left once Howard's bum ass is back from injury. Brown is going to end up being traded at one point or another too, unless he kills it when he's platooning in left with Nix at the beginning of the year.
And my darkhorse for NL MVP this year is Hunter Pence. If you look at his numbers after he came to Philly, if he puts up something like that next year, he may just run for a MVP trophy.
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#15707940 - 01/23/12 04:15 PM (4 months, 3 days ago) |
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Hunter Pence MVP, LOL! I will tear off your dick with my mouth and fuck your ass with it if that happens.
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Hunter Pence MVP, LOL! I will tear off your dick with my mouth and fuck your ass with it if that happens.
I seriously doubt pence will be MVP in 2012.
In recent news, Fielder signs a 9 year, $214million contract with the Tigers! Ooh shit, they could be GOOD this year. If only V-Mart was available...they would have the best offense in baseball imo. At least the best 3-4-5 in baseball. Still, Fielder is inked through 2020, which makes the tigers and even bigger threat in the next 5 years. Watch out AL Central!
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What position is he going to play? A horrible waste of money for the Tigers.
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A horrible waste of money?!?!
You've got to be kidding me. Cabrera will DH. It's the AL, bruh.
You now have virtually two Miguel Cabreras in your lineup, which is an incredible thing. Cabrera and Fielder back to back?! Pitchers will be shitting their pants nightly with those 2 in the middle of the lineup.
Saying that signing Prince fucking Fielder, one of the top 5 offensive players on the planet, is a horrible waste of money is about as ridiculous as saying that winning the lottery would be a horrible waste of space in my bank account.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: Anthony]
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Hunter Pence MVP, LOL! I will tear off your dick with my mouth and fuck your ass with it if that happens.
I seriously doubt pence will be MVP in 2012.
If someone told you Matt Kemp was going to be in the race last year, you would have laughed. I'm not saying he WILL win, I'm saying if he can put up numbers close to last year after being traded, he can be a top 3 choice.
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#15713414 - 01/24/12 07:09 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Tigers & Phillies in the WS next year. Calling it right now.
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Hunter Pence MVP, LOL! I will tear off your dick with my mouth and fuck your ass with it if that happens.
I seriously doubt pence will be MVP in 2012.
If someone told you Matt Kemp was going to be in the race last year, you would have laughed. I'm not saying he WILL win, I'm saying if he can put up numbers close to last year after being traded, he can be a top 3 choice.
Not necessarily, Matt Kemp has been a beast for basically his whole career.
Pence went on a tear at the end of last season, it is ridiculous to assume he could do that for the entirety of the year. His overall 2011 stats aren't that impressive. I would be surprised if he makes the top 10 in voting, because MVP means most valuable player. Shit, Verlander won for the Tigers this year because he made the biggest impact on his team. I do not think pence is that type of player.
Still, Zappa, are you shitting me? A waste of money? Why, cause the Yanks didn't spend $50mil extra to sign him?
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A horrible waste of money?!?!
You've got to be kidding me. Cabrera will DH. It's the AL, bruh.
You now have virtually two Miguel Cabreras in your lineup, which is an incredible thing. Cabrera and Fielder back to back?! Pitchers will be shitting their pants nightly with those 2 in the middle of the lineup.
Saying that signing Prince fucking Fielder, one of the top 5 offensive players on the planet, is a horrible waste of money is about as ridiculous as saying that winning the lottery would be a horrible waste of space in my bank account.
So when V Mart comes back they will have 3 1B/DHs? Fielder was running out of potential places to go and the Tigers vastly overpaid.
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Actually ESPN is now reporting that Fielder will be at first, Cabrera at 3rd (which he played for the Marlins), and V-Mart at DH when he comes back.
And overpaying? Go look at the Pujols contract. Pujols got 240 over 10. Fielder? 214 over 9. Virtually the same. Now go look at their stats in recent years. Fielder is STEP FOR STEP with him. And he's FIVE years younger.
The Tigers paid market price. Boras told the Brewers months ago that they would need in excess of 200 mil to resign him. It's the market, bruh. Guys like A-Rod (270 mil), Pujols (240 mil), Cabrera (20 plus mil per)...they get paid. It's just life in Major League Baseball.
Signing the big boys costs money. Lots of it.
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Actually ESPN is now reporting that Fielder will be at first, Cabrera at 3rd (which he played for the Marlins), and V-Mart at DH when he comes back.
And overpaying? Go look at the Pujols contract. Pujols got 240 over 10. Fielder? 214 over 9. Virtually the same. Now go look at their stats in recent years. Fielder is STEP FOR STEP with him. And he's FIVE years younger.
The Tigers paid market price. Boras told the Brewers months ago that they would need in excess of 200 mil to resign him. It's the market, bruh. Guys like A-Rod (270 mil), Pujols (240 mil), Cabrera (20 plus mil per)...they get paid. It's just life in Major League Baseball.
Signing the big boys costs money. Lots of it.
A-Rods contract with NY is still the biggest contract in the history of baseball. So I don't see how paying less for a player who's career line is pretty close to A-Rods could be considered being overpaid.
If we take A-Rods numbers only on NY (8 years) compared to Fielders 7 years on the Brewers we see that
A-Rod: (8 seasons on NYY)
1240 Hits
284 HR
903 RBI
.295 BA
.391 OBP
.550 SLG
.941 OPS
Fielder: (7 seasons)
996 Hits
230 HR
656 RBI
.282 BA
.390 OBP
.540 SLG
.929 OPS
of course, there's 1 seasons difference here, so Fielders numbers would actually be significantly closer to A-Rods had they played the same amount of time.
The Tigers did not overpay. Who expected fielder to get less than 20M/yr? I didn't expect him to sign over a 7 year deal, but regardless, the Tigers are now pretty solid offensively. Miguel is likely going to play 3rd, Fielder at 1st, Victor Martinez is a catcher, believe it or not, so he can split time between C/1B/DH as Fielder will fill the 1B/DH role and Cabrera will play 3rd/DH as well. There are many different scenarios where all of them are on the field at the same time. It isn't hard to imagine how the tigers will work fielder into their lineup.
Plus, they easily have the best 3-4 combo in all of baseball. Next year when V-Mart is healthy their 3-4-5 is going to be a NIGHTMARE for every pitcher who has to face that lineup.
Johnny Peralta, Ryan Raburn, Brennan Boesch, Delmon Young, Fielder, Cabrera, Martinez....they are going to slaughter the AL Central.
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Actually ESPN is now reporting that Fielder will be at first, Cabrera at 3rd (which he played for the Marlins), and V-Mart at DH when he comes back.
Cabrera is a terrible 3B. They moved him to first for a damn good reason. And he's gotten a tad fat since then. It'll be like Venus DeMilo playing third.Quote:
And overpaying? Go look at the Pujols contract. Pujols got 240 over 10. Fielder? 214 over 9. Virtually the same. Now go look at their stats in recent years. Fielder is STEP FOR STEP with him. And he's FIVE years younger.
I am aware of that. My point is that the Tigers weren't bidding against anybodyQuote:
The Tigers paid market price. Boras told the Brewers months ago that they would need in excess of 200 mil to resign him. It's the market, bruh. Guys like A-Rod (270 mil), Pujols (240 mil), Cabrera (20 plus mil per)...they get paid. It's just life in Major League Baseball.
Some of them do. But the Tigers had no real competitors. They could have gotten him for substantially less. They paid above market price for Prince Fielder since the big money teams were not in the market. Boras can tell anybody anything he wants. It don't mean shit.Quote:
Signing the big boys costs money. Lots of it.
Sometimes free agents over-play their hands. Sometimes it's a Boras client who does it.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: Anthony]
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Victor Martinez is not going to catch any more because he is terrible. Really terrible.
Why don't you compare A-Rod's comparable age years instead of just NY? Even with the stats you posted A-Rod was clearly better. Add the fact that he also had speed and was very good at an important defensive position and it's just ludicrous to equate them.
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Victor Martinez is not going to catch any more because he is terrible. Really terrible.
Why don't you compare A-Rod's comparable age years instead of just NY? Even with the stats you posted A-Rod was clearly better. Add the fact that he also had speed and was very good at an important defensive position and it's just ludicrous to equate them.
It is not ludicrous because we are comparing offense. They signed fielder for his offense.
Right, A-Rod is clearly better, I wasn't saying he wasn't better, I am saying that they are comparable, and since A-Rod got the biggest contract in the history of the MLB, the Tigers didn't overpay. Plus, if I compared his stats before he went to NY, I would have to include his years on Texas, but we all know that those years are tainted with steroid use, so you can't use those stats. If you'd like, I'll take A-Rods 7 years on the Mariners and compare them to Fielders, but you might not like what you see
Plus, the reason I was taking A-Rods numbers from his time on NY is because that's when he signed his mega-contract. Still, here's A-Rods first 7 years in the bigs:
996 Hits
189 HR
595 RBI
.309 BA
.374 OBP
.561 SLG
.934 OPS
compared to fielders first 7 years
996 Hits
230 HR
656 RBI
.282 BA
.390 OBP
.540 SLG
.929 OPS
pretty damn close. Then, after those 7 years in Seattle, A-Rod signed his incredible 10 year, 252 million dollar contract (at the time, the biggest ever in any sport). Then he signed an even BIGGER contract in '07. Fielder has the potential to be another A-Rod, the tigers did not overpay, nor will they regret this acquisition.
Because, from a realistic standpoint, if nobody signed Fielder this year, he probably would have inked a 1 year deal with Milwaukee, then hit free agency again next season when other big guys are on the market, i.e Joey Votto, and probably would have been paid even more!
Just because the Yankees and Red Sox were out of contention doesn't mean that they overpaid. The Yanks and Sox are not the only big market clubs out there. The Cubs, White Sox, Mets, Tigers, Cardinals, Twins...they are all big market clubs.
All in all, the Tigers inked an incredible player who is in the start of his prime, and they have him secured for basically the rest of his career.
V-Mart isn't an incredible catcher, but he can certainly play the position.
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The Mets are broke. The Dodgers can't do anything.The Cardinals, Cubs and White Sox decided not to play. There's a reason why this went so long. There wasn't that much market left. The Tigers bid against themselves. And they aint a big market team, either. There's a reason why the Yanks and Red Sox can toss around the contracts. They have the revenues of less than $200M.
I think adding another slugger was a waste of scarce resources for the Tigers. Especially a defensively deficient station to station fat guy.
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The Mets are broke. The Dodgers can't do anything.The Cardinals, Cubs and White Sox decided not to play. There's a reason why this went so long. There wasn't that much market left. The Tigers bid against themselves. And they aint a big market team, either. There's a reason why the Yanks and Red Sox can toss around the contracts. They have the revenues of less than $200M.
I think adding another slugger was a waste of scarce resources for the Tigers. Especially a defensively deficient station to station fat guy.
think about it this way: the tigers could sign prince now for what they paid, or they could have waited til next years free agency after fielder signed a 1 year deal and paid even MORE for him in the 2013 FA.
Tigers paid what anyone would have.
also, I hear fielder has dropped a bit of weight
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The Tigers paid what nobody would have. That's why they got him.
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The Tigers paid what nobody would have. That's why they got him.
 you are completely missing the point
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That is and always has been my point.
By the way he is a big fat guy like his father, who had a precipitous decline. Other big fat guy with a precipitous decline; Mo Vaughan. Fat sluggers tend to crater around 30. Old man skills in a young player does not bode well. If I was running the Tigers I would have spent the 20 per on at least two starters.
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you are so rigid. it's like you either love the yankees or fucking hate everyone else.
fielder is a boss, detroit is going to win the al central pennant for the next 3-5 years
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Fielder most definitely is very good. The Al Central is a shit division so winning it is no big whoop. The Tigers were already a quality team worthy of respect. They have limited revenues. Spending them on this guy was, in my opinion, a huge mistake for them. And they are going to rue the day in far fewer years than I think they expect.. This has all the hallmarks of an Ilitch being George move. And George fucked the Yankees over for years until he got suspended and they thrived.
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Fielder most definitely is very good. The Al Central is a shit division so winning it is no big whoop. The Tigers were already a quality team worthy of respect. They have limited revenues. Spending them on this guy was, in my opinion, a huge mistake for them. And they are going to rue the day in far fewer years than I think they expect.. This has all the hallmarks of an Ilitch being George move. And George fucked the Yankees over for years until he got suspended and they thrived.
why? like I said, the tigers are likely winners of the al central for the next 3-5 years, during which time fielder will be in his prime, and the tigers have a great shot at winning a world series. That's what they are paying for. They've basically guaranteed themselves the pennant (barring injury) so I don't see the problem.
of course you run a risk singing someone to mega-deals, but I think it will play out in favor of the tigers. If they only win 1 world series with fielder (which I think they will) it will make it worth signing him imo
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They've basically guaranteed themselves the pennant (barring injury) so I don't see the problem.
That's what the Phillies have thought after getting Halladay then Oswalt then Lee then Hunter Pence...You can't guarantee shit in any sport.
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They've basically guaranteed themselves the pennant (barring injury) so I don't see the problem.
That's what the Phillies have thought after getting Halladay then Oswalt then Lee then Hunter Pence...You can't guarantee shit in any sport.
didn't the phils win 102 games last year, winning the NL East Pennant?
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They've basically guaranteed themselves the pennant (barring injury) so I don't see the problem.
That's what the Phillies have thought after getting Halladay then Oswalt then Lee then Hunter Pence...You can't guarantee shit in any sport.
didn't the phils win 102 games last year, winning the NL East Pennant?
Ahh, by "Pennant", I thought you meant the AL Pennant.
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Tigers & Phillies in the WS next year. Calling it right now.
That won't happen. The buccos will beat the Phills in the playoffs this year.
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Tigers & Phillies in the WS next year. Calling it right now.
That won't happen. The buccos will beat the Phills in the playoffs this year.
You're joking right? The Pirates won't even make it into the playoffs...MAYBE a WC spot, but even then, the Marlins/Braves/Nats will send them home.
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But hey, if they make it to face the Phils, I'll take an easier series like that 
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Like Anthony said, if the Tigers win the WS in the next 3 years, every penny of that 214 will be worth it.
They have a strong staff, a good bullpen, and a nightmare lineup. They have a good chance.
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They've basically guaranteed themselves the pennant (barring injury) so I don't see the problem.
That's what the Phillies have thought after getting Halladay then Oswalt then Lee then Hunter Pence...You can't guarantee shit in any sport.
You're right, you can't. But you can up your odds.
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You're joking right? The Pirates won't even make it into the playoffs...MAYBE a WC spot, but even then, the Marlins/Braves/Nats will send them home.
I gotta have hope, right?
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I aint seeing the "nightmare" lineup nor a particularly strong starting staff. But I do see a shitty division. They have Verlander every fifth day and we'll see if Fister was a fluke or not. After that? I wouldn't get excited.
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I'm just going to throw this out there...they beat the Yankees in the ALDS last year, and without Fielder.
Just saying...don't get to condescending Zappa.
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Fister is definitely not a fluke. Speaking from experience, watching him pitch for the M's...he's a great #2 or 3
The only problem he had on the Mariners was NO RUN SUPPORT! fucking mariners...
now that he's got a good offense behind him, he'll be really solid.
The Tigers are going to be in the playoffs, and nightmare lineup or not, they beat the Yankees last year in the division series, they nearly beat Texas in the championship series...so don't count them out.
As is the same in all sports, anyone can win. Each team still has to play the game, and anything can happen.
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Fister is definitely not a fluke. Speaking from experience, watching him pitch for the M's...he's a great #2 or 3
The only problem he had on the Mariners was NO RUN SUPPORT! fucking mariners...
now that he's got a good offense behind him, he'll be really solid.
I know he had ONE excellent season. Have we seen ONE excellent season before? Yes we have. From a Tiger. His last name started with the same letter.Quote:
The Tigers are going to be in the playoffs, and nightmare lineup or not, they beat the Yankees last year in the division series, they nearly beat Texas in the championship series...so don't count them out.
I don't. The playoffs are a crapshoot. I just thought they would have been better advised to go for pitching rather than add another fat defensive liability bat when they have too many already. Outside of Jackson do they have any speed at all? And I also argued that they bid against nobody. Prince was kind of stuck without a princess.Quote:
As is the same in all sports, anyone can win. Each team still has to play the game, and anything can happen.
Yep, which is why all these guarantors need to put their money down.
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how interested would you guys be in having a shroomery fantasy league? I'd prefer to have at least 8 people, what do you think??
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I'm in again...maybe I'll do better than 7th place this time 
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I was bummed when we got rid of Mr. Fister. I liked him, upper mediocre heh.
I'M REALLY BUMMED the M's got rid of Pineda. Ahhh man that stinks.
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Side note: I hope Wedge grows that mustach back soon, looks like a creepy turtle.
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I was bummed when we got rid of Mr. Fister. I liked him, upper mediocre heh.
I'M REALLY BUMMED the M's got rid of Pineda. Ahhh man that stinks.
fister is good. mariners offense is disastrous
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It's good to see the Phillies make some changes, just gets old watching them play as the MLB's best team season to season just to flake out in the playoffs. I'm glad they got rid of Lidge he was a good closer at one point but now he's just shit, never really liked oswalt either.
Bet Prince Feilder isn't going to have a good season in Detroit, His HR numbers will fall since he is playing in one of the biggest yards in the MLB.
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It's good to see the Phillies make some changes, just gets old watching them play as the MLB's best team season to season just to flake out in the playoffs. I'm glad they got rid of Lidge he was a good closer at one point but now he's just shit, never really liked oswalt either.
Bet Prince Feilder isn't going to have a good season in Detroit, His HR numbers will fall since he is playing in one of the biggest yards in the MLB.
Plus Fielder was on a contract year last year. As we see across the MLB (all sports, really), when a player is on a contract year they perform significantly better than years past, or years to come. Once they've locked up their 200+ mil, there's not as much incentive to play well. I don't think Fielder is above this kind of behavior so for that reason I will agree.
However, most of the HR's he hit in Milwakee (consider all his HRs on the road) would easily get out of Comerica
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been pretty slow as of late. Mariners pitchers and catchers already reported though!! Getting really excited for this season, especially playing fantasy baseball. Looooove fantasy.
Zappa I understand you set up the league? How many people played last year?
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10. 6 have re-upped already.
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If there is an open spot hit me up.
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10. 6 have re-upped already.
ahh we do it rotisserie style I see. interesting...
is the draft date set in stone? I don't see why March 24th would be a problem but you never know with work schedules and shit.
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Can we please move any fantasy baseball discussion to the fantasy baseball thread? I will reply only there. It is stickied.
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I wonder how bad my fantasy team would be if I only drafted white players. Happy black history month!
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I wonder how bad my fantasy team would be if I only drafted white players. Happy black history month!
1st-Votto
2nd-Pedroia
SS-Tulo
3rd-Zimmerman
C-McCann
CI-Texeira
MI-Uggla
OF-Pence, Bruce, Hamilton, Holiday
SP-Kershaw, Halladay, Verlander, Lee
RP-Kimbrel, Papelbon, Axford
In theory....Preeeeety fucking good....
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I wonder how bad my fantasy team would be if I only drafted white players. Happy black history month!
1st-Votto
2nd-Pedroia
SS-Tulo
3rd-Zimmerman
C-McCann
CI-Texeira
MI-Uggla
OF-Pence, Bruce, Hamilton, Holiday
SP-Kershaw, Halladay, Verlander, Lee
RP-Kimbrel, Papelbon, Axford
In theory....Preeeeety fucking good....
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I wonder how bad my fantasy team would be if I only drafted white players. Happy black history month!
1st-Votto
2nd-Pedroia
SS-Tulo
3rd-Zimmerman
C-McCann
CI-Texeira
MI-Uggla
OF-Pence, Bruce, Hamilton, Holiday
SP-Kershaw, Halladay, Verlander, Lee
RP-Kimbrel, Papelbon, Axford
In theory....Preeeeety fucking good....
Good but probably not good enough
if anyone managed to draft that team, they would probably win the league. especially in a 10 man league.
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Bullshit. I have had teams similar to that and it does not ensure a playoff victory.
Many different factors come in to play through out the season. However
Don't get me wrong I would take that team over many but it's the best I've seen.
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that is a joke. That's the best pitching rotation I've ever seen. There's no way anyone in a 10 man league could ever amass such a staff. No way.
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that is a joke. That's the best pitching rotation I've ever seen. There's no way anyone in a 10 man league could ever amass such a staff. No way.
I had Grinke, Lester and Kershaw last year with other very solid pitchers
in my rotation. Doesn't mean shit. Most of it comes down to pure luck.
Edit: And had a damn solid offense (on paper) but its not always meant to
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If you think fantasy baseball is about luck then don't be surprised if you finish lower than me this year
Greinke and Lester are not even comparable to Halladay and Verlander
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If you think fantasy baseball is about luck then don't be surprised if you finish lower than me this year
Greinke and Lester are not even comparable to Halladay and Verlander
Thats laughable. Lester is right up there with the both of them and Greinke is
deff top teir.
And if luck is not a factor how do you account for injuries and off years when drafting?
Im jealous of your physic abilities.
I have won it all and have been at the bottom. Thats just how it goes.
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well if you are smart you'd be watching every player in the league so when one of your guys ends his season, you can find a suitable replacement. Most players get injured during the season for a short period of time. It's all about who you have to replace them, and catching players when they get hot. It's not hard.
Greinke and Lester compared to Halladay and Verlander...let's see
Greinke: 3.82 ERA, 1.256 WHIP, 2.3 BB/9, 8.0 K/9
Lester: Career 3.52 ERA, 1.290 WHIP. 3.4 BB/9, 8.4 K/9.
Halladay: Arguably the best pitcher in baseball. Career 3.23 ERA, 1.168 WHIP, 1.8 BB/9, 6.3 k/9
Verlander: 3.54 Career ERA, 1.194 WHIP, 2.8 BB/9, 8.3 K/9
Greinke is garbage. Lester and Verlander are similar, but neither of them are close to Halladay.
Given the option, I would take Verlander over Lester 100% of the time.
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Ryan Braun wins his appeal! FUCK I should have drafted him in my fantasy league
i am really interested to hear more of the details surrounding his positive test and now his acquittal
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Ryan Braun wins his appeal! FUCK I should have drafted him in my fantasy league
i am really interested to hear more of the details surrounding his positive test and now his acquittal
Wow he won?
Hes ranked like 40 something in Yahoo leagues I believe. I wonder if they will
change it. Hes going to get scooped up with the quickness anyways.
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yes. he's now DEFINITELY in the top 5 if not the top 3. Miguel Cabrera, Albert Pujols, Matt Kemp/Ryan Braun in that order
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I got 9th pick this year. Some tough decisions there.
You already drafted? thats early! gotta wait until at least spring training is
almost over so you can see how tha playas be playin
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I got 9th pick this year. Some tough decisions there.
You already drafted? thats early! gotta wait until at least spring training is
almost over so you can see how tha playas be playin
yea well one of the guys in our league is going to basic training pretty soon, and a few others have insane work schedules. It so happened we were all available last sunday and we just said fuck it. In hindsight we should have waited, seeing as how Braun got taken in the seventh round lol.
Still, spring training numbers are not at all indicative of what a player will do in the regular season.
I note Chone Figgins who was batting .396 and finished the 2011 season batting .188 with a .241 OPS. I posted my team earlier in this thread, it turned out well. Plus there's still FA and plenty of trades to be made
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I got 9th pick this year. Some tough decisions there.
You already drafted? thats early! gotta wait until at least spring training is
almost over so you can see how tha playas be playin
yea well one of the guys in our league is going to basic training pretty soon, and a few others have insane work schedules. It so happened we were all available last sunday and we just said fuck it. In hindsight we should have waited, seeing as how Braun got taken in the seventh round lol.
Still, spring training numbers are not at all indicative of what a player will do in the regular season.
I note Chone Figgins who was batting .396 and finished the 2011 season batting .188 with a .241 OPS. I posted my team earlier in this thread, it turned out well. Plus there's still FA and plenty of trades to be made
Right on and yeah I drafted Chone! bleaha but I just like to make sure dude are healthy
and seeing the ball well and shit. Obviously no sure thing but its worked many times for
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Chone has a lot of upside. His 2009 season with LAA was awesome. We had really high hopes coming into the 2010 season in seattle...we saw how things turned out. Still, he's an MLB player and he has a lot of skill. I'm pretty sure it's just a mental game he's playing. Hopefully he'll turn things around in 2012.
If him and Guttierez can rebound, the M's will have a really solid offense.
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Chone has a lot of upside. His 2009 season with LAA was awesome. We had really high hopes coming into the 2010 season in seattle...we saw how things turned out. Still, he's an MLB player and he has a lot of skill. I'm pretty sure it's just a mental game he's playing. Hopefully he'll turn things around in 2012.
If him and Guttierez can rebound, the M's will have a really solid offense.
I agree but since being in Seattle they have not lived up to expectations.
I cant wait to see what happens in Detroit...
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OK, predictions for the season?
NL East- Phillies
NL West-Arizona
NL Central-Reds
NL WC- Nationals&St.Louis
AL East-Red Sox
AL West-Angels
AL Central-Detroit
AL WC-Yankees&Cleveland
Phillies-Yankees WS, Phils in 6
AL MVP-Cabrera
AL CY-Weaver
NL MVP-Zimmerman
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Zimmerman for MVP? Guy just doesn't put up the numbers though he is a amazing defensive player and glad they gave him the extension.
Not to get on the Nats to much but is Dunn still on the roster? The guy was a complete joke last year, it was amusing to see someone paid that much performing that badly.
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Zimmerman for MVP? Guy just doesn't put up the numbers though he is a amazing defensive player and glad they gave him the extension.
Not to get on the Nats to much but is Dunn still on the roster? The guy was a complete joke last year, it was amusing to see someone paid that much performing that badly.
Zimmerman has potential to be that kind of player IMO but he probably will not
get to that point because he does not have really solid players around him.
Dunn now plays for the White Sox. I think he will have a rebound year.
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That Zimmerman guy sure can fucking pick it at third base.
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zimmerman is amazing. his defense is extremely solid, and he has the potential to be a .300/30+ HR/100+ RBI guy. Will he do it this season? I think his line will be closer to .270/25/85 but that's still a great year.
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I think he's been held back by nagging injuries for a few seasons. IMO, he could be anywhere in that range with his bat line. Hard to predict.
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I was just trying to think outside the box, someone who has the potential to have an amazing year and put up great numbers but isn't on the tops of everyones MVP listings. It's no fun calling the obvious (although calling the "obvious" is really fucking hard too)
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That MVP stuff is anyones guess dude. Who predicted that JV was going to win the
AL MVP last year?
I just try to draft on consistency and try to snag some hot players off of waivers early on.
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I have to say I am completely against the addition of another wild card team. It seems absolutely ridiculous to me that more than 50% of the teams in a 5 team division can all make the playoffs (it could happen in both the AL and NL eastern division pretty easily IMO). I understand it's all about money, but it seems to cheapen the accomplishment of making it into the playoffs. It's probably good for the casual fan but I'm more of baseball junkie and I hate it. What do you guys think?
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I have to say I am completely against the addition of another wild card team. It seems absolutely ridiculous to me that more than 50% of the teams in a 5 team division can all make the playoffs (it could happen in both the AL and NL eastern division pretty easily IMO). I understand it's all about money, but it seems to cheapen the accomplishment of making it into the playoffs. It's probably good for the casual fan but I'm more of baseball junkie and I hate it. What do you guys think?
I am really excited. I think this will create better competition, and allow teams to make the playoffs that otherwise might have just missed the cut.
How can you be opposed to more competitive playoff baseball?
if you're a baseball fan, you should love this addition.
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More competition doesn't mean higher quality competition. One of the main points of the playoffs is largely in how difficult it is to get into them. I mean I get the appeal of more teams in the play offs but I think it was just an easy way for selig to make more money for himself somehow.
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More competition doesn't mean higher quality competition. One of the main points of the playoffs is largely in how difficult it is to get into them. I mean I get the appeal of more teams in the play offs but I think it was just an easy way for selig to make more money for himself somehow.
disagree. there are plenty of teams who don't make the playoffs who have the potential to be world series teams. anything can happen in the playoffs, as I'm sure you know. Any team can win the playoffs once they get there. This creates more competition. Better competition, because the team who wins the one extra playoff spot isn't going to be a shitty team.
Plus I want to watch more playoff baseball! Teams really step their game up when playoffs come around. Plus this gives teams like the Mariners a little extra hope at making it. This is only good for baseball and baseball fans
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Good move for baseball, gives my Reds a better shot of making it into the NL playoffs this coming season. This is the year!
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I don't like the DH rule either. Maybe I'm just a purist. I'll wait until the end of the season to see make my final judgement.
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I can understand being a purist, because IMO pitchers should have to bat. Although they are basically a guaranteed out in the lineup. IMO it is lame that an offense has to sacrifice in the National League. Pitchers should pitch. That's what they're good at.
I just don't think this ruling really changes the game at all. It's just the playoff format. The MLB has undergone many changes to playoff structure in the past, and I would argue that with the addition of one more team, the playoffs will be more interesting than they ever have been.
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I don't like the DH rule either. Maybe I'm just a purist. I'll wait until the end of the season to see make my final judgement.
DH has to be in baseball IMO. All these older guys that can still hit but cant
really play defensively anyone should still be able to play and should play.
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What's the deal with Roy Oswalt? why is he labeled as Non-Active?
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What's the deal with Roy Oswalt? why is he labeled as Non-Active?
because he didn't sign with anyone. his plan is to sign mid-season with a playoff contender.
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Hes not currently signed with anyone I dont think. Or he isnt playing for
whatever reason. I heard them say he might not play for most of the season but
Im not sure on that one.
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Yea I haven't had much faith in oswalt since 2008. He's 34. I wonder how much longer he can be effective for? Short, hard throwing, right handed pitchers never have long careers.
I was just looking at Roger Clemens career stats (fucking insane) and I saw one season, in 1990, he finished with a 1.93 ERA!! Holy fuck. So I assumed he won the Cy Young that year, but I looked and saw he came in 2nd.
‎1990 Cy Young was won by Bob Welch. 27-6, 2.95 ERA, 2 CG, 2 SHO, 127 K, 1.223 WHIP. Roger Clemens finished 2nd in voting. He went 21-6, 1.93 ERA!, 7 CG, 4 SHO, 209 K, 1.082 WHIP.
How didn't Clemens win?! They must have been smoking crack
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Looking at his track record of durability and consistency it would be foolish to right him off at this point. If a player continues to produce year after year it's because he's just that talented. And Roy Oswalt is that talented.
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I'd draft matt moore before oswalt
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Moore is a straight up fucking boss. Lefty with mad heat.
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Totally pumped for the extra wild card teams for the playoffs. Why? More baseball and more potential upsets! ets Go Bucs!
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I don't like the DH rule either. Maybe I'm just a purist. I'll wait until the end of the season to see make my final judgement.
DH has to be in baseball IMO. All these older guys that can still hit but cant
really play defensively anyone should still be able to play and should play.
I disagree, when you're unable to play the game entirely, it's time to move on. I don't think you're playing the game if you play an entire game and are on the field for under 5 minutes. If you go 0-4, even less. Just how I feel, but I grew up watching small ball. I'd much rather watch some amazing base running and sac bunts than some old fat guy swing for the fences.
I also think that pitchers having to bat keeps them honest. There is accountability if you decide to throw at someone or be a dickhead on the mound in general -- for starting pitchers at least.
If you are into home runs, there is no more exciting home run than one hit by a pitcher.
Ok, no more DH opinions from me.
So, Ryan Madson to get Tommy John surgery. I guess Ruben Amaro knew when to cut and run.
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National League is so much more entertaining to me than the AL. Pitchers are more accountable and there is so much more strategy involved and the games don't go for 3 hours most of the time.
It isn't football or basketball, if you can't field in a sport when your sitting or standing the majority of time you shouldn't play it even if you can swing a bat.
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AL is so much more entertaining than the NL, you don't have a guaranteed out in your lineup and you can get a lot more offensive production and entertainment with a DH.
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AL is so much more entertaining than the NL, you don't have a guaranteed out in your lineup and you can get a lot more offensive production and entertainment with a DH.
Cliff Lee's two homeruns and 7 RBI with a .200 BA beg to differ...he had a better BA then Dunn!
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Totally pumped for the extra wild card teams for the playoffs. Why? More baseball and more potential upsets! ets Go Bucs!
I really really hope the Phils don't meet the Pirates in the playoffs any time soon. PNC KILLS them. 1-2 to start the season, giving up two walk off hits 
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The Phils are killing me. Everyone knew offense was going to be an issue, but this is out of hand. We're only 4 games in, and I'm already getting uneasy.
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The Phils are killing me. Everyone knew offense was going to be an issue, but this is out of hand. We're only 4 games in, and I'm already getting uneasy.
It's only gonna get worse when you sign a bunch of bench players who are all past their primes, and have two players who drive your offense out. They need to trade Dom Brown while he's still worth something. Rubes needs to make a move for some serious bat at the deadline if they want to win anything. David Wright as our new third baseman? I can see it happening.
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the AL is not real baseball.
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The Phils need to find an offense, no disrespect to the Pirates pitching
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Amaro can work a trade, but is total dogshit when it comes to every other aspect of being a GM.
I think I had heard David Wright rumblings in the off-season. We definitely need something to happen.
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This extra playoff team is gay. I think it's absurd that a 2nd place team is allowed to compete for the world series. Why don't they just do away w/ the regular season altogether? I'm sure they are just doing it for the extra dough, but it really cheapens the game in my eyes.
I think they should split each league into two or four divisions and only the winners of each division should meet in the playoffs. Of course, they would need to expand by at least 2 teams if there were to be 8 divisions in the MLB.
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This extra playoff team is gay. I think it's absurd that a 2nd place team is allowed to compete for the world series. Why don't they just do away w/ the regular season altogether? I'm sure they are just doing it for the extra dough, but it really cheapens the game in my eyes.
I think they should split each league into two or four divisions and only the winners of each division should meet in the playoffs. Of course, they would need to expand by at least 2 teams if there were to be 8 divisions in the MLB.
I'm not sure how I feel. I think if anything they should cut back on the regular season (why is there double the amount of games then any other sport? ) and maybe let 6 teams in each league in, with the top two teams getting byes like the NFL. But then again, I always hated Bye weeks, but 8 teams per division would be too much (for baseball at least). I'm on the border for how the MLB playoffs should be, I think it's unfair to some teams they play so hard, and can miss the playoffs by 1 game while shittier teams get in because they play in shitty divisions.
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I don't know how I feel about the expanded wild card thing yet. I will reserve judgment until the fall.
I already don't like a lot of things about the way they handle the playoffs, but maybe this will be a pleasant surprise.
I wish they did the World Baseball Classic this year. I dig that a lot.
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The World Baseball Classic was extreemly enjoyable to watch when they last played it and I look forward to watching some games next time around again. I like knowing the home countries of the major league players they represent.
The one game playoff will be strange. Kind of like in your post I'll wait until I see it and it's analyzed by Baseball Tonight and see the fan reaction but it's here to stay, just like the DH rule change in the 70's .
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The classic was supposed to be every three years, but they switched to 4. I guess they didn't want to do it the same year as the olympics (it would have been this year).
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My memory must be fuzzy because I can't recall what you're referring to. The only time I can remember there being an issue was to save MLB players from overexerting themselves before being fully warm for the season.
Aside from that, I dig watching the Cuban and Asian teams. When They announced the MLB network, I was hoping they would show Winterball because I'm really interested in the foreign teams.
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The rules may've changed because I haven't paid attention since the first WBC, but in '05 or '06, starting pitchers were only allowed something like a pitch count of 45 and then the managers were forced to pull them. I'm not interested in any games in which the manager isn't allowed to try to win. Also I knew it was a farse when Canada beat the USA. Not that I'm a patriot or anything, but you know the games are pretty meaningless if a nation that isn't that into baseball beats one that has a long history of obsession w/ it and is far more populous.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: zappateer]
#16094989 - 04/15/12 07:19 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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I could be mistaken, but I think the rules limiting pitchers were imposed by MLB so that their million dollar players don't throw their arms out. They don't practice much so it would be like letting your pitchers throw full games early in spring training. I understand your frustration, but I understand why they do it.
The other thing I like is getting to see whole games so early that year. I dig spring training because I'm so baseball hungry by that point, but even with the limitations, the players are trying to win games that matter to them, not just play the first two innings and sit because it's only the first week in March.
Baseball Rules!
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Loved that 9 run comeback in that Yankees/Bosox series. Allready the GM is assuring people that Bobby V.'s status is OK, he won't get fired. What a joke, 162 games and they got off to a horrid start last year and it took a late season collapse for Francona to step down.
Only in Boston or New York.
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Manager: Bobby Valentine (4-10)
Scored 70 runs, Allowed 95 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 5-9
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Oh and I would go to the gym, but I get to into it, and have hurt myself more then once; I'm healthier by not working out because I'm too extreme of a person.
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i am finding this years mets' team to be damn fun to watch
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herman the kid
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i am finding this years mets' team to be damn fun to watch
I wish I could say the same about the Phils so far. I think they're starting to pull it together though.
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Boy oh boy has that kid Stephen Strasburg has lived up to all his hype
So far this season his Nationals are in 1st place and hold the MLB's lowest ERA as a team.
As an individual, Strasburg has thrown 38IP, holds 2-0 record, In 38 IP he has 38K's: 7BB, and holds a 1.66 ERA with a 0.84 WHIP
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lsdank268
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Boy oh boy has that kid Stephen Strasburg has lived up to all his hype
So far this season his Nationals are in 1st place and hold the MLB's lowest ERA as a team.
As an individual, Strasburg has thrown 38IP, holds 2-0 record, In 38 IP he has 38K's: 7BB, and holds a 1.66 ERA with a 0.84 WHIP
The Nationals said they are gonna be limiting his innings this year. How long before they say fuck it and let him play an entire season with the way they are playing right now?
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: lsdank268]
#16191881 - 05/06/12 06:41 PM (23 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Yeah, I am sure they will limit him to around 150-160 IP
I dont see them letting him throw beyond that unless they are a serious playoff contender
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Yeah, I am sure they will limit him to around 150-160 IP
I dont see them letting him throw beyond that unless they are a serious playoff contender
It is only early May, but the way the NL East is playing, I think they have a legit shot at making the playoffs, especially with two WC slots.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: lsdank268]
#16192761 - 05/06/12 09:48 PM (23 days, 17 hours ago) |
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Yeah, I am sure they will limit him to around 150-160 IP
I dont see them letting him throw beyond that unless they are a serious playoff contender
It is only early May, but the way the NL East is playing, I think they have a legit shot at making the playoffs, especially with two WC slots.
I could see it. It's just wayy to early to tell
You think they'd let Strasburg throw close to 200IP if they make the postseason? or you think they shut him down regardless?
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KillerPicklez said:
Yeah, I am sure they will limit him to around 150-160 IP
I dont see them letting him throw beyond that unless they are a serious playoff contender
It is only early May, but the way the NL East is playing, I think they have a legit shot at making the playoffs, especially with two WC slots.
I could see it. It's just wayy to early to tell
You think they'd let Strasburg throw close to 200IP if they make the postseason? or you think they shut him down regardless?
If by the All-Star break they are still playing this way, and when Zimmerman comes back and if Harper hasn't been sent down, I can see them maybe limiting Strasburg a little during the dog days with only 5-6 innings max every game, and if they can keep it up with the rest of the staff, letting him go all out during the stretch and the postseason.
I can see him pitching 180-200 innings depending on how well the team is doing and whether or not they limit him at all.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Chat [Re: lsdank268]
#16201501 - 05/08/12 06:57 PM (21 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Holy Josh Hamilton.
5/5 4 R, 4 HR, 8 RBI
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timelapses
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Hamiliton hit 2 more in that rain filled game last night, he is amazing.
I can't believe how unbelievably bad the Twins are, their run differention is the exact opposite of the Rangers.
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