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#15642368 - 01/09/12 08:05 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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So I have two Salvia plants that I want to work with and propagate indoors under a T5. Here are the plants first of all, pics taken today.
Blosser strain
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The blosser came in pretty healthy, the oaxacan came in really beat up, almost dead. After screwing around with humidity tents and her being super fussy I got fed up and said screw it... yanked the humidity tent off her and left her to fend for herself. Guess what... she came right back two weeks later with new growth and is making a great comeback.
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Anyway .... So I have these two Salvia plants, and Ild like to propagate them into more plants so that I have enough fresh leaf at any one time to pull maybe 20-30 grams of leaf (a decent quid for 2-4 people.) Both are in 3 gallon buckets of sunshine mix lightly amended with blood meal, bone meal, greensand, kelp meal, and a little lime. The key word here is that it was lightly amended.
I give them fish emulsion waterings here and there which they love .... and recently scratched some used coffee grounds in as a top dressing since Ive heard they like acidic soil.
My question is this. How big do you think they will get in these 3 gallon buckets? If they get 3' tall that would be more then adequate I would think... especially if I take cuttings until I have 6 of them in 3 gallon containers.
Since I'm using a 4 bulb, 4' T5 Im assuming keeping them in 3 gallon buckets rather then going with fewer plants in 5 gallon buckets will be the way to go since light penetration on flouro's isn't the best... but I wouldn't mind some opinions on the matter.
Also, how much bigger should I let these guys get before taking cuttings? Really I only need four more to meet my 6 plant quota.
Can I get away with taking small cuttings on them, or should I go for larger cuttings with at least two or three nodes?
Thanks for the input guys... I appreciate it!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15642713 - 01/09/12 09:00 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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You can take cuttings now. You're better off taking more smaller cuttings now rather than few larger cuttings over a longer time. Ultimately you'll have more growth because you'll have more roots. The cuttings will be on their own roots whereas the other way you'd be waiting for the plant to grow bigger cuttings on the mother plant. Those guys will be getting big on their own roots while you'll also have growth on the mother plant anyway. One you get your six, then let em grow big together. This is true up until the point that you are getting the maximum growth that your light can produce.
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Thanks for the input. Any idea how big Salvia will get in a 3 gallon container? Am I close in thinking they may bet to between 24-36" or so?
Also, how small can the cuttings be... should I stay with a 2 node minimum rule or does it not matter with Sally?
Any idea?
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15643128 - 01/09/12 10:25 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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I like your approach to growing this plant. Fend for yourself is how they should be grown. Pampering them in humidity tents is just fuxxoring around imo.
A 3 gallon container should grow a 3-5 foot plant.
Two nodes is ok, Three's better. It's just a good general rule with cuttings. Experiment. The smallest I've propagated is 2 inches high.
They may lose some leaves but will recover as one of your mothers have demonstrated.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: karode13]
#15644763 - 01/10/12 11:11 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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What about cutting the main stalk? Can I get away with that? Leaving say three nodes with leaves, then cutting off the top three nodes to root out?
I would think it would make her branch out from the nodes making her bushier but that main stalk is already very well developed and definitely not a new shoot. From what I've read it sounds like it doesn't matter since salvia falls over and roots from the stalk anyway.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15644772 - 01/10/12 11:14 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Typically I know its recomended to cut new shoots but I'm notsure if it matters with Sally?
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15645053 - 01/10/12 12:33 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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What about cutting the main stalk? Can I get away with that? Leaving say three nodes with leaves, then cutting off the top three nodes to root out?
I would think it would make her branch out from the nodes making her bushier but that main stalk is already very well developed and definitely not a new shoot. From what I've read it sounds like it doesn't matter since salvia falls over and roots from the stalk anyway.
I've rooted from the main stalk on several occasions with success. Mine was Blosser, btw.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Ieponumos]
#15645567 - 01/10/12 02:09 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Exactly the info I needed. Gracias...
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15657289 - 01/12/12 07:05 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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As mentioned above, for now .. my initial goal is to get six salvia plants in 3 gallon containers under this 4' 4 bulb T5. As they outgrow the light, Ill consider adding another 4' 4 bulb T5 as I have one not being used right now. Either that or I also have a 400w HPS (as well as the 600w HPS Im using now).
As per the advice in this thread, I cut my Oaxacan Salvia plant directly in half on the main stem to serve three purposes:
1) She was tall and skinny. I like short, fat and bushy plants like my blosser strain salvia is (see pics above). This should make her branch and bush out.
2) I want to test the waters on cloning in straight water, with no humidity tent to speak of. Both mother plants are acclimated to my low humidity, so thats how Im going to treat the clones. If they fail, then Ill reconsider but for now its tough love all the way.
3) I only took this single clone ... for now, off the Oaxacan for the reasons above. Im doing it as a test run so to speak. Once it roots and I get it in soil Ill take three more cuttings from the mother plants and repeat giving me my six Salvia plants.
Once I get all six, I plan to grow them out to at least 24-36". At that point... Im going to try to flower them. Yes ... I know its rare to get them to seed and all that, but Im going to give it a shot anyway.
On that note, if anyone has an H/W strain salvia and wants to do a trade, I would like to get that strain as well. Either that or any other strain that is not blosser or straight Oaxacan.
Here you can see the Oaxacan mother cut and the cutting. She was cut two days ago. Hopefully she will root in a week or so and I can take her to soil.
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Heres the Oaxacan mom now after being cut (see above pics for how she was previously)
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15657779 - 01/12/12 08:46 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Eh.......... scratch that..... I took two blosser cuttings a minute ago. Gets me within 1 plant of where I want to be, and Ild like to get my hands on a H/W strain so that puts me right there. Then again ... maybe Ill just go nine plants, three of each strain 
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15711100 - 01/24/12 09:49 AM (4 months, 3 days ago) |
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We have roots on all cuttings! Ill take pics soon...not one lost even a single leaf either. no humidity tent used at all. just snipped them and put em in water. I noticed roots on the 21st so 9 days after taking the cuttings.
Pics to come. they are going straight into 3 gallon pots of sunshine mix. That makes 5 plants total.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15713772 - 01/24/12 08:14 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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So here are the pics. Heres my two mother plants. The blosser and Oaxacan, with the cuttings below.
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........ and heres some root shots! Are these guys ready to be stuck in soil? Im going to go for it anyway, although it will probably be a day or two before I get around to it. Hell it might even be this weekend just cuz Ive been really busy lately.
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... and heres some hot peppers and other ethnos I have growing under a 600w HPS (lights off). Chocolate bhut jolokia, yellow bhut jolokia, yellow fatalli, butch T trinidad scorpion, and a caribbean red. Then a couple Nicotina rustica, a morning glory vine growing up the trellis, a Klip dagga, Datura metel, Skullcap, and a basil plant all waiting to be transplanted. Oh ... and a totem tomato hybrid too.
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.. and finally, I just now took another cutting off the Oaxacan. That will give me 3 blosser and 3 oaxacan in 3 gallon containers. Hopefully once they get large it will allow me to quid 10 grams fresh to up to 4 people at a time. Thats my goal, Ild like to get to where I can pull off 40 grams of fresh leaves at any given time. Not all that often ... probably once every three months or so. If these six plants in three gallon containers wont be enough ....then Ill take more cuttings
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15714374 - 01/24/12 10:51 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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I'd stick them into some soil. Those roots are begging for it.
I might of missed it in your previous posts but what kind of water are you using? Tap or bottled? I've never had luck rooting them in water. Yours have turned out quite well, not even any Black tips.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: karode13]
#15715349 - 01/25/12 08:11 AM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Thanks for the input. I wasn't sure but once they pop I figured they would be good to go so that's what I was planning... just haven't gotten around to it yet. ill have them in soil by the weekend at the latest. I just have to mix up my special recipe since I don't have any made up yet.
I've been using sunshine mix or promix with 20-30% added perilite. amended with blood meal, bone meal, Kelp meal, greensand, and when my worm bins are ready I use up to 10-20% castings but I didn't have any available for any of these salvia plants. I top dress occasionally with a few tablespoons of used coffee grounds and eater occasionally with fish emulsion .
Im using straight tap water to clone in. I have two 5 gallon buckets that I run a bubble in constantly for watering all the plants, but for these clones I went with straight tap. I saw a thread awhile ago on another forum where a guy cloned in straight tap side by side with bottled and the tap rooted faster and healthier. then he did it again with fresh tap and bubbles tap, fresh tap won again with bigger white healthier roots ...he was convinced the chlorine is what was doing it. I'm not sure but these guys rooted in 9 days with fresh tap and no humidity domes so that's how ill be doing it from here on out.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: karode13]
#15719569 - 01/26/12 03:11 AM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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I've never had luck rooting them in water. Yours have turned out quite well, not even any Black tips.
I recommend glas wool cubes, it is even possible to root really small cuttings (2-3cm) with them!
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I've never had luck rooting them in water. Yours have turned out quite well, not even any Black tips.
I recommend glas wool cubes, it is even possible to root really small cuttings (2-3cm) with them!
Maybe it's just me, but I never had success with rockwool. I put it in my around my chimney as a fire block rather than propagating plants with it.
Maybe I need to invest in an inexpensive pH meter cause I have a lot of citric acid. 
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Ieponumos]
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I've never had luck rooting them in water. Yours have turned out quite well, not even any Black tips.
I recommend glas wool cubes, it is even possible to root really small cuttings (2-3cm) with them!
Maybe it's just me, but I never had success with rockwool. I put it in my around my chimney as a fire block rather than propagating plants with it.
Maybe I need to invest in an inexpensive pH meter cause I have a lot of citric acid.
I used plain water. No idea why you failed. There is no need for a pH-meter.
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I've always had the best luck with water on other plants I've cloned..I tried vermiculite and some other things but the clones seemed to hold up better in straight water...but I've never worked with Sally before so wasn't sure.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15797600 - 02/12/12 12:20 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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The salvia plants are doing great.... The Oaxacan has really, really bushed out from being topped. I honestly think its the best thing for this plant the amount of foilage it is producing for how tall it is, is amazing.
All the clones are coming along too. I think Im just going to keep taking cuttings until I have a salvia jungle. Salvia is legal here in my state Im half tempted to start offering cuttings on craigslist lol.
Oh ... and the motherplants had over 20 grams fresh stripped off of them for a quid about 2 weeks ago and they are still this full.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15797914 - 02/12/12 01:17 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Awesome job!
Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: husmmoor]
#15798081 - 02/12/12 01:48 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Love the Salvia porn!
I'm curious if you started all your cuttings in water until they rooted? I have only ever taken a cutting and planted it directly in Miracle Grow cactus mix and covered it for humidity. I mist them twice a day and after two weeks or so, if they appear healthy, ween them off the humidity covering.
I also noticed if you keep the humidity to high the new stems will begin to send off roots. This is I assume what would take place in nature if left to herself. She would get top heavy, drop a limb, and root.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Psikotrope]
#15798297 - 02/12/12 02:27 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Yup...all of these were rooted in straight tap.water, with no humidity comes at all. there's some root pics further up in this thread.
I messed around with humidity tents but they only seemed to make her more finicky and frail.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15798371 - 02/12/12 02:40 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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The next time I take a cutting I'm going to try rooting in water as you've done. On my first cutting I simply planted it under the logic that if it rooted in soil I would skip the rooting step and eventually planting anyway. Rooting in soil worked fine so I've stuck with it. But I'm interested to see if there's any difference as far as growth time in your method.
As far as humidity tents; I played hell with my first plant keeping it in various humidity tents. I could never get her to thrive in any type of tent. She struggled to survive and I eventually took several cuttings in an effort to have more plants in case the mother died, which she did eventually. But all the new plants grow just fine without a humidity tent. I've only used it on the initial cutting phase. Perhaps I will skip that step next time. Humidity tents are a waste if the goal is to eventually not use one. It's just added stress on the plant and the grower as well, lol.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Psikotrope]
#15802401 - 02/13/12 09:54 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Agreed!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15845199 - 02/21/12 09:11 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Heres an update. My two mother plants are doing great and growing like crazy, although you cant see it here because I keep taking cuttings. I now have my two mother plants, and four more clones in soil, plus I just took another four clones off of them that you see here in water.
I found a great extraction guide online and am eagerly shooting to get all 10 of these plants in 3 gallon pots and get them growing so I can start harvesting leaf and working on extractions. Im extremely interested in making a tincture. I like orally ingested salvia much better then smoking enhanced leaf. However, I really would like to get around having to hold leaf in my mouth for 30 minutes during a quid, plus I wouldnt mind stronger effects then I get from quidding. Therefore I think working with extracts and tinctures is where I need to go from here. First things first though.. I need lots of plants! This puts me at 10, and once I grow them out to fill 3 gallon buckets I think I should have plenty of leaf on hand to start my tincture making experiments.
**EDIT*** Never mind the tomato, basil, and pepper plants that are in there taking up room. They are soon to be repotted and put under the HPS with the rest of my chilli peppers.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15846153 - 02/22/12 03:58 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Looks fantastic!
From other growlogs I had got the feeling that trying to grow salvia indoors on one's own would be pretty much a waste of time in terms of yield, but I have a feeling that you might get some really nice big plants here. Can't wait to see the salvias in 3 gallon pots!!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: husmmoor]
#15846240 - 02/22/12 04:52 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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 outstanding success, congrats man.
it looks like you've got NAA (1-Naphthaleneacetic acid) in your tap water 
also you're right, given your growing conditions, topping plants and having them grow all at the same height is the most productive/efficient way 
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: cc2]
#15849970 - 02/22/12 08:56 PM (3 months, 4 days ago) |
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Thanks guys. They definitely can soak up the nutes. Ive never seen anything like it. As mentioned above they are in soil already ammended with blood meal, bone meal, kelp, and greensand. Then every third watering or so I mix a full tablespoon of fish emulsion to a SINGLE quart of water... which is very strong, and give it all to one of the mothers. Each mother gets a quart mixed up this way... they never show signs of burn and they immediately shoot up the following week.
Now that these have adapted to my low humidity I dont think theres anything stopping them. I have an extra 4' 4 bulb T5 sitting and waiting for these guys to grow up. Im going to run both side by side covering a 5'x5' area to put all 10 of these plants in. Hell, maybe Ill take two more cuttings and go for an even 12 plants in 3 gallon buckets haha. We'll see!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15867368 - 02/26/12 05:59 PM (3 months, 19 hours ago) |
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I transplanted the four sally cuttings that have been in soil into their final 3 gallon containers today since it has been a few weeks after showing roots and being put into soil in smaller containers.
Also, the four new cuttings that are in water are showing nubs/roots in 6 days. Ill let them develop their roots for a few more days and then they will be placed into soil as well.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15867598 - 02/26/12 06:57 PM (3 months, 18 hours ago) |
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I've been pulling about this much leaf off of just my two mother plants per week, in just general maintenance. Pretty much just snipping off leaves that are overshadowing other parts of the plants, taking the leaves that are browning at the tips, etc, etc. Once I have all 10 plants in 3 gallon buckets Ill have a ton of leaf.
I'm drying this out to use for extractions later. I haven't exactly figured out how I want to do it but I definitely like taking her orally, Im wondering if I crystalize it as mentioned earlier in this thread, then added it to blotter paper and took it orally... would I still get the 2 hour duration I get from quids? If so I could easily up my dosage that way, and still get the longer duration... which is what Im really after. I simply set the leaves on top of the T5 and they dry in about 4 days or so. Its not terribly warm... maybe 90-100 degrees or so.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15873986 - 02/27/12 10:43 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Nice set up, and great propagation. Thus far, I've given or traded all of my cuttings (and I took a lot of them cause, like you, I prefer bushy plants) away. But, I think this summer I'm going to dedicate most of them to increasing my own stock of plants. Where the hell did you find the Oaxaca strain? The only thing I've ever found for sale is Blosser.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: trillby33]
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My problem seems to be white flies. They are taking over! Any suggestions other than spray with soap/water?
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My problem seems to be white flies. They are taking over! Any suggestions other than spray with soap/water?
assuming we're talking about the same white flies, they become nasty if you don't take proper countermeasures.
spray neem oil or dimethoate. you should be very careful with the latter due to its toxicity and lasting buildup in the plant.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Gravity]
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CC2 is right, I found neem to work really well; and then I just went over the plants with my nails and killed the babies each time I had a chance. They ended up dying off pretty quick once I squished the babies. A little gross though.
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I always keep my plants inside, so as not to introduce pests.
This strain wasnt labelled of any kind. It came from BBB that stated these plants are the same strain as their oaxacan leaf. Yes, its a moot point because all sally comes from there... at least as far as I know. For labelings sake though I call it Oaxacan since thats the best description I have.
I do have a line on Luna and Jupiter strains though, as well as a different blosser line that the guy swears up and down is as strong as 5x. Working a trade now Im pretty interested to get a few different genetic lineages going ... even if the term different "strain" really isnt accurate anyway.
Time will tell... in the meantime these babies are doing great. The Oaxacan is definately the top performer in terms of growth though. Its easily putting out about 30-40% more growth then the blosser strain I have now.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15916949 - 03/07/12 10:07 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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UPDATE: The plants are rocking.
Im still pulling about 20 grams of fresh leaf off each mother per week plus taking clones. There's easily another 6 clones or so ready to be cut but I think Im about maxed out once I get these next four in the 5x5's transplanted into 3 gallon containers. Their growth rate is fantastic... Im feeding the hell out of em though and they just keep sucking it up. One tablespoon of Blood meal, bone meal, kelp meal and greensand mix every three weeks. Then every third watering or so I give 1 tablespoon of fish emulsion to one quart of water per mother.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15936482 - 03/12/12 05:18 AM (2 months, 17 days ago) |
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Those look beautiful! I try to keep my clones in an opaque container because the baby roots don't like much light IMO.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Opiate]
#15944826 - 03/14/12 12:48 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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alot different to my strain they look like cabbage almost 
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: spookone]
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Its because my ambient RH is so low, but they have adapted wonderfully. I'm at about 30% rh
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15949804 - 03/15/12 04:39 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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yeah man looking good ey! keeep up the good work i only grow my sally outdoors so far seeing your grow log inspires me to try an indoor session! haha
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Thanks guys...they are really doing well for me.
This last week Ive had some interesting observations with my biggest 2 mother plants. Both plants.... about a week apart, dropped an entire branch.... a very large branch completely off of the main stem. They arent being overwatered, and its not stem rot. Ive checked the remaining branches and main stalk and all are extremely hard and very sturdy... just like the branches that the plants "discarded".
I seriously think that they dropped the branches in an effort to propagate. I cant figure out what else could be the cause. They are fed well, and watered well without being overwatered.
So here are some pics of all my plants the clones are growing up fast in their 3 gallon containers and the youngest clones are putting out new leaves in their 5"x5" soil pots.
Im wondering now if I might want to go a different direction. Instead of 9 plants in 3 gallon pots. Im thinking of going with 3 or 4 plants in 6.5 gallon pots. I just got in some nice white square hydrofarm pots and I think the sally plants would become incredibly impressive in that size of pot. Also, Im wondering if that has something to do with them discarding their branches... maybe they are filling up the root space in the 3 gallon pots they are currently in and dropping a branch in an effort to be able to support the remaining leaf mass on the available root space.
Any thoughts on this??
Anyhow here they are... they still are impressive even after they each dropped a branch. I harvested 30 grams of dried leaf off of the two discarded branches.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15960530 - 03/17/12 05:16 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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impressive  mad respect for your efforts, that's the right attitude to preserve the salvia plant.
would you feel like getting the bulb closer if it released less IR radiation (heat)?
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: cc2]
#15960704 - 03/17/12 06:01 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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Thanks man. I had the bulb closer at one point but I noticed they weren't putting out much vertical growth and they just acted like it was to close in general so I raised it a bit and they seem much happier. they seem to be getting plenty of light their growth rate is great. once I get all the plants the same height it will be more efficient.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15961969 - 03/17/12 11:10 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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Aww, This thread totally deserves to be on the best post list. someone wanna help me out? mission accomplished.
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Thanks Harvey! Whats the best post list? Wheres it at? Im unfamiliar...
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15963386 - 03/18/12 12:23 PM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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at the top of any shroomery page, theres the 2 bars of links to the center/right. The 3rd link on the top is labeled "Best posts"
Its only on the list as long as the thread is current (IE, the post is less than a day or two old.. otherwise it gets bumped off the list for the more recent "best posts of the day". sadly, this has already happened it appears, but you were on the list for a day, I swear.)
EDIT: It is indeed still on there, it's just been banished to page 3 
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whats the wattage on the lights man?
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: spookone]
#15965262 - 03/18/12 09:11 PM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Harvey- Gotcha... I appreciate the gesture.
Spookone - Thats a 4 bulb 4' T5 fixture. 216 watts total - for now. As mentioned earlier in the thread I have another identical unit that is waiting to be used for the plants once they get to big in size or number for this single unit.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15966090 - 03/19/12 02:37 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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cheers buddy! that's my next project!
Im wondering now if I might want to go a different direction. Instead of 9 plants in 3 gallon pots. Im thinking of going with 3 or 4 plants in 6.5 gallon pots. I just got in some nice white square hydrofarm pots and I think the sally plants would become incredibly impressive in that size of pot. Also, Im wondering if that has something to do with them discarding their branches... maybe they are filling up the root space in the 3 gallon pots they are currently in and dropping a branch in an effort to be able to support the remaining leaf mass on the available root space.
Any thoughts on this??
yeh i have one, from what i have had best results with is after the cuttings have root bounded the 5x5 pot re-pot only once! from my experiences they dont like being moved from there home turf to much at all. my thoughts on the branches falling off is that u have to many plants in one pot. that's the only conclusion i can come to i haven't ever heard of this before usually salvia will grow tall up to 6 to 8ft in some cases and when they get to tall to hold there wait the branch snaps falling on the ground to then have new shootings to sprout from each node. i know if i left mine go they'd grow very tall. but i don't give them the chance as i tip them. maybe try putting one cutting in a big pot the biggest u can get! and i promise mate they'll bloody love ya for it! 
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: spookone]
#15966133 - 03/19/12 03:12 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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I appreciate the input.....Each pot has just a single plant in it, they have been topped in order to keep them branchy and bushy. ...sometimes each plant is topped more then once in an effort to keep them uniform height. once all plants reach the same height ill allow them to grow more vertical. Doing it this way maximizes my light penetration since I'm using T5's.
I do think it has something to do with being rootbound though and having so much biomass being supported in a smaller area. for this reason I think I'm going to put three plants in 6.5 gallon pots under one T5 unit and then put another six in these 3 gallon containers under my second t5 and monitor the difference in growth to make my determination on how I want to permanently grow her.
I've heard that she's finicky about being transplanted but mine have takin it in stride without missing a beat. I'm confident they will adapt readily and enjoy the newfound rootspace.
Time will tell and it will be interesting to record my results and note the differences.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
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oh so your saying 3 plants one of each in 6.5 gal pots.. thats sound much better. i reckon that's always gonna be a mystery with the branch just dropping off bloody unheard of ey lol have u ever grown them outdoors ozz??
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: spookone]
#15966426 - 03/19/12 07:08 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Nice! Yes that's correct, three 6.5 gallon pots and six 3 gallon pots all with one plant each. right now I'm using six 3 gallon pots with one plant each (plus the four 5"x5" pots that have young clones in them).
I haven't grown them outdoors but I have a feeling I'm going to be overrun with them after awhile so I certainly could stick some in the ground and just might do that.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15966868 - 03/19/12 09:54 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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yeh ok sweet now i'm following lol. yes good idea mate, i think the more the drainage and the bigger the pots with sally the better. the only plants i've seen (from my knowledge) as abundant as mine or others that have a big pot, aswell as ones that have been planted into mother earth these will thrive! bigger is better in this case hands down another hint if grown outdoors they actually don't mind a lil piss around the tree but not on it! are you misting the leaves bro?? yeh man if your climate is anything like qld's you should pop one outside where shaded from full sun and wind (in between tree's ect like a lil forest area!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: spookone]
#16036871 - 04/03/12 12:46 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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I see you mentioned white flies. One method I use at the university that is seldom discussed is the use of a banker plant. The best for white flies is papaya. Just buy a fruit at the store. Dry the seeds and germinate a few. We purposely infested a tomato green house. Let the white flies take over. Added the banker plant. The white flies act like the papaya is free crack.. They swarm to it. Take it outside and shake the hell out of it flies go aways. Or you can treat it with a systemic and kill them off. Banker plants really work well. Indoors with white flies, its definitely something to try instead of applying chemicals (even organic substances) to something you will later consume. You can even throw some beneficial bugs to the banker plant to increase the effectiveness.
Just my 2cents!
Your plants look nice.. good luck on that grow...
Banker plant info:
http://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/lso/banker/Documents/BANKERFoliage.pdf
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: BotanyPhD]
#16037390 - 04/03/12 07:28 AM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
BotanyPhD said:
I see you mentioned white flies. One method I use at the university that is seldom discussed is the use of a banker plant. The best for white flies is papaya. Just buy a fruit at the store. Dry the seeds and germinate a few. We purposely infested a tomato green house. Let the white flies take over. Added the banker plant. The white flies act like the papaya is free crack.. They swarm to it. Take it outside and shake the hell out of it flies go aways. Or you can treat it with a systemic and kill them off. Banker plants really work well. Indoors with white flies, its definitely something to try instead of applying chemicals (even organic substances) to something you will later consume. You can even throw some beneficial bugs to the banker plant to increase the effectiveness.
Just my 2cents!
Your plants look nice.. good luck on that grow...
Banker plant info:
http://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/lso/banker/Documents/BANKERFoliage.pdf
AFAIK nicotiana plants are used as trap crops too, though using neem oil works better IME since I'd have more white flies on nicotiana plants but still on both crops.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#16206249 - 05/09/12 05:30 PM (20 days, 21 hours ago) |
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those are amazing, how old are your largest plants? do you top them or were they bushy on their own? im about to start cloning mine, any tips?
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