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 Re: Indoor Salvia propagation  [Re: husmmoor]
#15798081 - 02/12/12 01:48 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Love the Salvia porn!
I'm curious if you started all your cuttings in water until they rooted? I have only ever taken a cutting and planted it directly in Miracle Grow cactus mix and covered it for humidity. I mist them twice a day and after two weeks or so, if they appear healthy, ween them off the humidity covering.
I also noticed if you keep the humidity to high the new stems will begin to send off roots. This is I assume what would take place in nature if left to herself. She would get top heavy, drop a limb, and root.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Psikotrope]
#15798297 - 02/12/12 02:27 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Yup...all of these were rooted in straight tap.water, with no humidity comes at all. there's some root pics further up in this thread.
I messed around with humidity tents but they only seemed to make her more finicky and frail.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15798371 - 02/12/12 02:40 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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The next time I take a cutting I'm going to try rooting in water as you've done. On my first cutting I simply planted it under the logic that if it rooted in soil I would skip the rooting step and eventually planting anyway. Rooting in soil worked fine so I've stuck with it. But I'm interested to see if there's any difference as far as growth time in your method.
As far as humidity tents; I played hell with my first plant keeping it in various humidity tents. I could never get her to thrive in any type of tent. She struggled to survive and I eventually took several cuttings in an effort to have more plants in case the mother died, which she did eventually. But all the new plants grow just fine without a humidity tent. I've only used it on the initial cutting phase. Perhaps I will skip that step next time. Humidity tents are a waste if the goal is to eventually not use one. It's just added stress on the plant and the grower as well, lol.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Psikotrope]
#15802401 - 02/13/12 09:54 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Agreed!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15845199 - 02/21/12 09:11 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Heres an update. My two mother plants are doing great and growing like crazy, although you cant see it here because I keep taking cuttings. I now have my two mother plants, and four more clones in soil, plus I just took another four clones off of them that you see here in water.
I found a great extraction guide online and am eagerly shooting to get all 10 of these plants in 3 gallon pots and get them growing so I can start harvesting leaf and working on extractions. Im extremely interested in making a tincture. I like orally ingested salvia much better then smoking enhanced leaf. However, I really would like to get around having to hold leaf in my mouth for 30 minutes during a quid, plus I wouldnt mind stronger effects then I get from quidding. Therefore I think working with extracts and tinctures is where I need to go from here. First things first though.. I need lots of plants! This puts me at 10, and once I grow them out to fill 3 gallon buckets I think I should have plenty of leaf on hand to start my tincture making experiments.
**EDIT*** Never mind the tomato, basil, and pepper plants that are in there taking up room. They are soon to be repotted and put under the HPS with the rest of my chilli peppers.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15846153 - 02/22/12 03:58 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Looks fantastic!
From other growlogs I had got the feeling that trying to grow salvia indoors on one's own would be pretty much a waste of time in terms of yield, but I have a feeling that you might get some really nice big plants here. Can't wait to see the salvias in 3 gallon pots!!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: husmmoor]
#15846240 - 02/22/12 04:52 AM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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 outstanding success, congrats man.
it looks like you've got NAA (1-Naphthaleneacetic acid) in your tap water 
also you're right, given your growing conditions, topping plants and having them grow all at the same height is the most productive/efficient way 
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: cc2]
#15849970 - 02/22/12 08:56 PM (3 months, 4 days ago) |
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Thanks guys. They definitely can soak up the nutes. Ive never seen anything like it. As mentioned above they are in soil already ammended with blood meal, bone meal, kelp, and greensand. Then every third watering or so I mix a full tablespoon of fish emulsion to a SINGLE quart of water... which is very strong, and give it all to one of the mothers. Each mother gets a quart mixed up this way... they never show signs of burn and they immediately shoot up the following week.
Now that these have adapted to my low humidity I dont think theres anything stopping them. I have an extra 4' 4 bulb T5 sitting and waiting for these guys to grow up. Im going to run both side by side covering a 5'x5' area to put all 10 of these plants in. Hell, maybe Ill take two more cuttings and go for an even 12 plants in 3 gallon buckets haha. We'll see!
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15867368 - 02/26/12 05:59 PM (3 months, 19 hours ago) |
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I transplanted the four sally cuttings that have been in soil into their final 3 gallon containers today since it has been a few weeks after showing roots and being put into soil in smaller containers.
Also, the four new cuttings that are in water are showing nubs/roots in 6 days. Ill let them develop their roots for a few more days and then they will be placed into soil as well.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15867598 - 02/26/12 06:57 PM (3 months, 18 hours ago) |
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I've been pulling about this much leaf off of just my two mother plants per week, in just general maintenance. Pretty much just snipping off leaves that are overshadowing other parts of the plants, taking the leaves that are browning at the tips, etc, etc. Once I have all 10 plants in 3 gallon buckets Ill have a ton of leaf.
I'm drying this out to use for extractions later. I haven't exactly figured out how I want to do it but I definitely like taking her orally, Im wondering if I crystalize it as mentioned earlier in this thread, then added it to blotter paper and took it orally... would I still get the 2 hour duration I get from quids? If so I could easily up my dosage that way, and still get the longer duration... which is what Im really after. I simply set the leaves on top of the T5 and they dry in about 4 days or so. Its not terribly warm... maybe 90-100 degrees or so.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15873986 - 02/27/12 10:43 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Nice set up, and great propagation. Thus far, I've given or traded all of my cuttings (and I took a lot of them cause, like you, I prefer bushy plants) away. But, I think this summer I'm going to dedicate most of them to increasing my own stock of plants. Where the hell did you find the Oaxaca strain? The only thing I've ever found for sale is Blosser.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: trillby33]
#15876064 - 02/28/12 12:04 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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My problem seems to be white flies. They are taking over! Any suggestions other than spray with soap/water?
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Gravity]
#15876088 - 02/28/12 12:10 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Quote:
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My problem seems to be white flies. They are taking over! Any suggestions other than spray with soap/water?
assuming we're talking about the same white flies, they become nasty if you don't take proper countermeasures.
spray neem oil or dimethoate. you should be very careful with the latter due to its toxicity and lasting buildup in the plant.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Gravity]
#15876264 - 02/28/12 12:47 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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CC2 is right, I found neem to work really well; and then I just went over the plants with my nails and killed the babies each time I had a chance. They ended up dying off pretty quick once I squished the babies. A little gross though.
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I always keep my plants inside, so as not to introduce pests.
This strain wasnt labelled of any kind. It came from BBB that stated these plants are the same strain as their oaxacan leaf. Yes, its a moot point because all sally comes from there... at least as far as I know. For labelings sake though I call it Oaxacan since thats the best description I have.
I do have a line on Luna and Jupiter strains though, as well as a different blosser line that the guy swears up and down is as strong as 5x. Working a trade now Im pretty interested to get a few different genetic lineages going ... even if the term different "strain" really isnt accurate anyway.
Time will tell... in the meantime these babies are doing great. The Oaxacan is definately the top performer in terms of growth though. Its easily putting out about 30-40% more growth then the blosser strain I have now.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15916949 - 03/07/12 10:07 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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UPDATE: The plants are rocking.
Im still pulling about 20 grams of fresh leaf off each mother per week plus taking clones. There's easily another 6 clones or so ready to be cut but I think Im about maxed out once I get these next four in the 5x5's transplanted into 3 gallon containers. Their growth rate is fantastic... Im feeding the hell out of em though and they just keep sucking it up. One tablespoon of Blood meal, bone meal, kelp meal and greensand mix every three weeks. Then every third watering or so I give 1 tablespoon of fish emulsion to one quart of water per mother.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15936482 - 03/12/12 05:18 AM (2 months, 17 days ago) |
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Those look beautiful! I try to keep my clones in an opaque container because the baby roots don't like much light IMO.
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: Opiate]
#15944826 - 03/14/12 12:48 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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alot different to my strain they look like cabbage almost 
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: spookone]
#15945547 - 03/14/12 08:30 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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Its because my ambient RH is so low, but they have adapted wonderfully. I'm at about 30% rh
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Re: Indoor Salvia propagation [Re: OZZ]
#15949804 - 03/15/12 04:39 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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yeah man looking good ey! keeep up the good work i only grow my sally outdoors so far seeing your grow log inspires me to try an indoor session! haha
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