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mistamonsta said:
I only say what I have lived and seen for myself.
I first took psychedelics when I was 14 and am now 30. After dropping out of highschool and spending many years battling depression and drug abuse I have finally come full circle to truly realise my awakening. I am now attending university, majoring in philosophy and psychology, in the hopes that I can one day understand and share these kinds of thoughts and feelings in a publicly accepted and articulate manner. Many a wise word has come from the half-crazed homeless man found ranting and raving his wisdom on the street corner but unfortunately his message goes unheard. I too have learnt that lesson the hard way.
I do not expect to change the system from within, that is impossible and pointless. Any system that will allow itself to be changed by the likes of me is obviously not worth changing. All I hope for is that I can find individuals like myself who think as I do to perhaps make this world better for those who wish it to be so. The masses will not be swayed, they are too comfortable in their blissful ignorance. My goal is to gather those who have awakened and show them some hope, some way out of the darkness, to be proud of this awareness, to find a way to use it to OUR advantage....

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mistamonsta said:
The burden of undefiled knowledge is a heavy weight to bear. Southpark season 15 episode 7 and 8 kinda cover this whole scenario. Apparently you have caught cynicism and now everything just looks like shit, sounds like shit, tastes like shit; everything just seems like shit. And nobody wants to hear you tell them its all shit. I have a solution, and no its not the southpark one of drinking copious amounts of booze. Learn to articulate yourself and your feelings; learn to take pleasure in the simple and untainted things in life; seek out like minded individuals and share your disdain for society; learn to laugh at all the fools and foolishness you see, dont get depressed by it. Accept that these changes in your perception are an advantage, not a curse and you will be a lot wiser and more fulfilled for it.

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A question for you - you seem to know what you're talking about, so I'm willing to listen to your advice.  What do you mean by the "simiple and untainted things in life"?  Because most people I know would define this as things like having a job, going to their local church's senior potluck, etc., which of course are all things I have come to see as bullshit.  What would be your definition of "the simple things in life?"

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I know youre pissed at me and you aren't asking me but i can answer too :P

I'd like to think that these are things that have minimal or no human involvement. A leisurely walk through the woods for example

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I'm not pissed at you at all.  I apologize if I came off that way, I am just very stoic and frank.  Did not mean to offend you.

Even things like a leisurely walk in the park are hard for me to enjoy though.  Because like I said, I am detached from reality by realizing that it is subjective.

I once felt euphoric around nature.  Now I question my connection to nature.  I think nature is just a collection of leaves, twigs, dirt, etc.  After all, isn't all the industrial steel in the cities part of "nature" as well?  It used to be part of some quarry somewhere, basically natural minerals, ores, materials, etc that were shaped into buildings.  If the connection we feel to nature is philosophical and not purely based on shallow aesthetics, then why don't I feel this same connection to the city, towns, and industrial civilization?

Regardless of the answer to this question, the mere fact that I think about this is the reason I can't enjoy a simple walk in the park anymore.

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Well I am glad we resolved that!
And since you realized reality is subjective, now its time to choose how you are going to see your reality. Will you hate everything? Or will you be the guy that can always see a silver lining? Now might be a crucial turning point in your life. Take advantage of your insight and use it to better yourself and the world around you in any way you can, big or small.

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. Yes society at large is all based on others perceptions and lies but YOU can choose which ones to LEARN and which ones to BELIEVE. This is the key to using your awareness and not letting it keep you down. And sometimes getting the acknowledgement that comes with a diploma is worth the effort of learning other peoples bullshit. Remember what I said about the crazy man, if nobody will listen then all his wisdom is worth nothing. Sometimes you need that piece of paper to be recognised. Its just up to you how much you buy into the system in the process of acquiring it.

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I like your attitude, but you don't choose your perspective  [reality], your reality occurs independent of your will.  The only perspective that bends to your will is your imagination.

I'm sorry.  I know you are trying to help me, and I keep giving refutations to everything you say but this is simply a significant part of who I am.  If I have a question or uncertainty about something I can't supress it or just forget about it.  I can never turn the other cheek.

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I am the same way, and it has gotten me in a lot of trouble, but without people who think and question our world would be quickly overrun by those in power, to a much greater extent than now.

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Your responsibility as an philosophical thinker is to spread what you believe to those around you in hopes of awakening their mind. Many people fight it but every now and then you will talk to someone who appreciates a new outlook, and in that you have just made the world a little bit better by kick-starting the mind of your peer.
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mistamonsta said:
. Yes society at large is all based on others perceptions and lies but YOU can choose which ones to LEARN and which ones to BELIEVE. This is the key to using your awareness and not letting it keep you down. And sometimes getting the acknowledgement that comes with a diploma is worth the effort of learning other peoples bullshit. Remember what I said about the crazy man, if nobody will listen then all his wisdom is worth nothing. Sometimes you need that piece of paper to be recognised. Its just up to you how much you buy into the system in the process of acquiring it.

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This is some good advice.  The only problem is, no matter how hard I try I simply can't fully motivate myself to absord information I know is probably bullshit.  Honestly I feel somewhat like I'm angry at society for the way it is, how those who buy into the bullshit are better off, more praised, more acknowledged, etc.  I guess I will see how it goes next semester.  Hopefully I will do better and find the motivation I need.

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mistamonsta said:
. Yes society at large is all based on others perceptions and lies but YOU can choose which ones to LEARN and which ones to BELIEVE. This is the key to using your awareness and not letting it keep you down. And sometimes getting the acknowledgement that comes with a diploma is worth the effort of learning other peoples bullshit. Remember what I said about the crazy man, if nobody will listen then all his wisdom is worth nothing. Sometimes you need that piece of paper to be recognised. Its just up to you how much you buy into the system in the process of acquiring it.

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This is some good advice.  The only problem is, no matter how hard I try I simply can't fully motivate myself to absord information I know is probably bullshit.  Honestly I feel somewhat like I'm angry at society for the way it is, how those who buy into the bullshit are better off, more praised, more acknowledged, etc.  I guess I will see how it goes next semester.  Hopefully I will do better and find the motivation I need.

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You must remember that in order to truly KNOW something is wrong then you must first learn and explore it. Think of it like knowing your enemy: if you know what they know then you are one step closer to beating them. And I truly wish you all the best in your future endeavours, the world needs more people with open eyes and minds...

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Another problem - Like I said earlier, I have a very hard time articulating my thoughts.  Where would I even begin trying to explain to someone that everything they know is a lie?  Furthermore other people would (and do when I give people philosophical chats because I tend to do most of the talking) feel offended by my implication that I was more "enlightened" than them and needed to "teach them a lesson", regardless of whether or not this were actually true.  People have a stereotype for people like me - Stoner, junkie, etc.  If I were to suddenly start a conversation with them about the Federal Reserve, they would view me as just another college pot-smoking Libertarian voting for Ron Paul (which I am, but you get the point).

"Dont forget that happiness IS a choice."

I would love to believe that.  However, I have only heard that idea come from people who are happy.

Also I want to be happy, but I am not.  So if it were a choice, then wouldn't I be happy at the moment?  It's a self-perpetuating chain.

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I am the same way, and it has gotten me in a lot of trouble, but without people who think and question our world would be quickly overrun by those in power, to a much greater extent than now.

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Well it kinda already has :/

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Your responsibility as an philosophical thinker is to spread what you believe to those around you in hopes of awakening their mind. Many people fight it but every now and then you will talk to someone who appreciates a new outlook, and in that you have just made the world a little bit better by kick-starting the mind of your peer.
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But what's in it for me to help others gain perspective?  What gratification is there for me to do this?

Another problem - Like I said earlier, I have a very hard time articulating my thoughts.  Where would I even begin trying to explain to someone that everything they know is a lie?  Furthermore other people would (and do when I give people philosophical chats because I tend to do most of the talking) feel offended by my implication that I was more "enlightened" than them and needed to "teach them a lesson", regardless of whether or not this were actually true.  People have a stereotype for people like me - Stoner, junkie, etc.  If I were to suddenly start a conversation with them about the Federal Reserve, they would view me as just another college pot-smoking Libertarian voting for Ron Paul (which I am, but you get the point).

"Dont forget that happiness IS a choice."

I would love to believe that.  However, I have only heard that idea come from people who are happy.

Also I want to be happy, but I am not.  So if it were a choice, then wouldn't I be happy at the moment?  It's a self-perpetuating chain.

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Another problem - Like I said earlier, I have a very hard time articulating my thoughts.  Where would I even begin trying to explain to someone that everything they know is a lie?  Furthermore other people would (and do when I give people philosophical chats because I tend to do most of the talking) feel offended by my implication that I was more "enlightened" than them and needed to "teach them a lesson", regardless of whether or not this were actually true.  People have a stereotype for people like me - Stoner, junkie, etc.  If I were to suddenly start a conversation with them about the Federal Reserve, they would view me as just another college pot-smoking Libertarian voting for Ron Paul (which I am, but you get the point).

"Dont forget that happiness IS a choice."

I would love to believe that.  However, I have only heard that idea come from people who are happy.

Also I want to be happy, but I am not.  So if it were a choice, then wouldn't I be happy at the moment?  It's a self-perpetuating chain.

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Trust me, nobody will listen when you try to tell them their whole life is bought and paid for and their whole world is a lie. They need to see it for themselves, as you and I already have. You can help show them if that is your desire, but that takes a whole pile of conspiring and manipulating that is just not worth the effort. People are quite comfortable and happy in their ignorance, its you who must find a way to be happy and live with their ignorance. Its about you, not them. If they need to wake up from their dream they will but its not our job to try and awaken them... The entire hippie movement of the 60's tried it and it didnt work. Hell, most of that generation bought into the bullshit even more when they finally sobered up. It actually made them better slaves for the fact that they felt like "they did their bit" so to speak.

Yeah, cheers dude. Hope you find what you need. Hope I helped somewhat....

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LSDylan said:
As far as happiness goes, I am most definitely not always happy. I am just days away from getting off of a year of probation and legal trouble that has put my family and I through some of the hardest times I have yet to experience.

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thenihilist said:
I suggest Zen Buddhism if you are so inclined. If you are not so inclined, see if you can take out from your local library, a collection of works from Carl Jung, "Psychology and Religion". You may find "Part Two: Eastern Religion" particularly interesting.

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