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 LighterOfDoobies
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hyphalover
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LighterOfDoobies]
#15568926 - 12/25/11 12:54 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Court drug tests won't pick up shrooms or acid, so you might as well keep trippin. Just take longer breaks between your trips, I'd say at the very least a week but two-three weeks is better. As for these changes in perception, who's to say they're bad? But if they really irk you that much then just stop tripping and they'll go away.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LighterOfDoobies]
#15568927 - 12/25/11 12:54 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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yes, time will do its thing
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orison319
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: Rafiikii]
#15568955 - 12/25/11 01:02 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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xyprea, rispidal, haldol. that will shut you brain down. dont do acid and shit if you want to turn it off, kinda defeats the purpose.
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LighterOfDoobies
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: orison319]
#15568961 - 12/25/11 01:04 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I don't want to turn my perception off. I just wish I had awakened it to a different tune.
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mistamonsta
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: Rafiikii]
#15568965 - 12/25/11 01:04 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, with time you will be reprogrammed and reintegrated back into the lies of society. Psychedelics are great for breaking these bonds of perception and deprogramming oneself but I guess if you are not prepared for when this happens you may experience a sense of dislocation within society along with antisocial thoughts and feelings.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: mistamonsta]
#15568979 - 12/25/11 01:09 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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mistamonsta said:
Yes, with time you will be reprogrammed and reintegrated back into the lies of society. Psychedelics are great for breaking these bonds of perception and deprogramming oneself but I guess if you are not prepared for when this happens you may experience a sense of dislocation within society along with antisocial thoughts and feelings.
No I was prepared long before I ever tried my first psychedelic. That's the problem, if you are truly knowledgeable and you know the real truth, not just naive "One Love" bullshit then you realize that there is no point or merit in having knowledge if you are not happy. I would choose blissful ignorance over disillusioned "enlightenment" anyday.
Also I hate the fact that I can see past all the bullshit, but I can't articulate exactly what it is so I can't explain it to other people, so when I tell them it's all bullshit but can't explain why they just think I'm a brain-fried junkie dumbass.
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LSDylan
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: mistamonsta]
#15569000 - 12/25/11 01:16 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Quit if you want to, don't if you don't. Personally I love the increased awareness of the world around me. Since I started tripping I have become a nicer more empathetic person.
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Zulu The Most High
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LighterOfDoobies]
#15569003 - 12/25/11 01:18 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Time.
As time passes, you will naturally become de-psychedelisized.
The feelings you describe are pretty common.
As Mckenna said,
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The Culture has all the answers. You want to know where people came from? Well when the sky God got out of his canoe at the first waterfall and took a leak then we, the true people, appeared like ants and weve been living here ever since oh, gee thanks, Im glad I asked. This is what culture does for you.
But now technology throws a curve, and the curve is that we live so long that we figure out what a scam this is. We figure out that what you are supposed to work for isnt worth having, we figure out that our politicians are bufoons, we figure out that professional scientists are reputation building grab tailing weasels, we discover that all organisations are corrupted by ambition. We figure it out.
Then as intellectuals, and anybody who figures it out is an intellectual, believe me, because they are slinging the programming to push you the other way, discover that you are alienated. Thats what figuring it out means, it means that you understand that the BMW, the Harvard degree, the whatever it is, that this is all baloney, and manipulated, and hyped, and that mostly you have a bunch of clueless people trying to figure out which fork they should use.
But this position is presented as alienation and therefore somehow tinged with the potential for pathology, its a bad thing to be alienated.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LighterOfDoobies]
#15569008 - 12/25/11 01:20 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I would choose blissful ignorance over disillusioned "enlightenment" anyday.
This is the type of horrible attitude that greatly contributes to the rapid decline in society you have now become aware of.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LSDylan]
#15569011 - 12/25/11 01:22 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Vitamin & nutrient balance WILL solve your problem which appears to be that you feel anxious or otherwise negatively about your present perceptual state. By getting your body in an optimally balanced state you will be far better equipped to integrate your experiences. Get some good sleep and exercise too.
However there is no way AFAIK to reverse hallucinogen-induced perceptual changes. If you find a way, let us know. HPPD sufferers would rejoice.
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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker
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mistamonsta
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LighterOfDoobies]
#15569013 - 12/25/11 01:22 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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The burden of undefiled knowledge is a heavy weight to bear. Southpark season 15 episode 7 and 8 kinda cover this whole scenario. Apparently you have caught cynicism and now everything just looks like shit, sounds like shit, tastes like shit; everything just seems like shit. And nobody wants to hear you tell them its all shit. I have a solution, and no its not the southpark one of drinking copious amounts of booze. Learn to articulate yourself and your feelings; learn to take pleasure in the simple and untainted things in life; seek out like minded individuals and share your disdain for society; learn to laugh at all the fools and foolishness you see, dont get depressed by it. Accept that these changes in your perception are an advantage, not a curse and you will be a lot wiser and more fulfilled for it.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LighterOfDoobies]
#15569018 - 12/25/11 01:23 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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You just have a negative outlook on life, and even if psych drugs helped to create this view for you, it's not necessarily the drugs fault, nor does anything need to be fixed, other than your view on life itself. Time is the only thing that will change that.
For me....."real truth" is about as bullshit as "One Love", as you say. Being "enlightened" is subjective.
I would say that now is the best time to try a sober streak. Probation or not.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LSDylan]
#15569036 - 12/25/11 01:30 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I would choose blissful ignorance over disillusioned "enlightenment" anyday.
This is the type of horrible attitude that greatly contributes to the rapid decline in society you have now become aware of.
Who's to say that the attitude you consider "enlightened" actually is enlightened, and the attitude you consider "ignorant" is actually ignorant?
Perception is reality, and perception is relative. Therefore reality is relative. This is the only objective truth, that there is no truth independent of perception. Anything that is true is true because someone perceived it to be true.
The above paragraph in bold is an example of disillusioned enlightenment. It's not exactly comforting to the mind, but logically it has to be true. (If you disagree, you prove my point, that truth is only relative to perception).
Do you know how much it sucks having this mentality? Realizing that everything you see, hear, smell, etc is just a sum total of all your senses? Basically just a conscious awareness? This idea devalues everything you would normally perceive to be "your reality."
No, I don't think society would be better off having this mentality shared among the general populace. Yes, people would be more aware of the nature of consciousness, reality, etc., but the world be even more gloomier than it is now.
If you think trading enlightenment for bliss is a bad idea, then maybe you are not truly enlightened. Just saying.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: mistamonsta]
#15569050 - 12/25/11 01:35 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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crkhd said:
Vitamin & nutrient balance WILL solve your problem which appears to be that you feel anxious or otherwise negatively about your present perceptual state. By getting your body in an optimally balanced state you will be far better equipped to integrate your experiences. Get some good sleep and exercise too.
However there is no way AFAIK to reverse hallucinogen-induced perceptual changes. If you find a way, let us know. HPPD sufferers would rejoice.
That's the problem, I know and am completely aware that my negative perception is probably based in part on an imbalance of hormones in my brain, my physical health, etc. Were I to be in better health (which I am in relatively good health, but I have a thyroid disease and other hormonal problems) I would have a better perception.
This is more disillusioned enlightenment. It has sobered me to the fact that there is no authentic spirituality. When I used to run a lot and had a perfect diet I was spiritual, but looking back I realize that was just because I had a good cocktail of brain hormones combined with physical health.
Not abstract spirituality, just fact-of-the-matter science.
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The burden of undefiled knowledge is a heavy weight to bear. Southpark season 15 episode 7 and 8 kinda cover this whole scenario. Apparently you have caught cynicism and now everything just looks like shit, sounds like shit, tastes like shit; everything just seems like shit. And nobody wants to hear you tell them its all shit. I have a solution, and no its not the southpark one of drinking copious amounts of booze. Learn to articulate yourself and your feelings; learn to take pleasure in the simple and untainted things in life; seek out like minded individuals and share your disdain for society; learn to laugh at all the fools and foolishness you see, dont get depressed by it. Accept that these changes in your perception are an advantage, not a curse and you will be a lot wiser and more fulfilled for it.
You articulate my thoughts very well, it seems. But that's one of the problems - I articulate my thoughts TOO much. I can't identify a thought, idea or concept non-verbally. It is partly this that hinders me from fully connecting with reality. In order to connect with reality on a deeper level, I need to be able to shut off all verbal and linguistic thinking and just be aware of my surroundings. Constant articulation of thoughts has helped me continue to confine myself to my thoughts, which are darker than I'd prefer.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: mistamonsta]
#15569074 - 12/25/11 01:43 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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mistamonsta said:
The burden of undefiled knowledge is a heavy weight to bear. Southpark season 15 episode 7 and 8 kinda cover this whole scenario. Apparently you have caught cynicism and now everything just looks like shit, sounds like shit, tastes like shit; everything just seems like shit. And nobody wants to hear you tell them its all shit. I have a solution, and no its not the southpark one of drinking copious amounts of booze. Learn to articulate yourself and your feelings; learn to take pleasure in the simple and untainted things in life; seek out like minded individuals and share your disdain for society; learn to laugh at all the fools and foolishness you see, dont get depressed by it. Accept that these changes in your perception are an advantage, not a curse and you will be a lot wiser and more fulfilled for it.
I just watched those episodes. Two of my favorite of all time for sure. That said, your post is also one of my favorite posts ever.
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: mistamonsta]
#15569091 - 12/25/11 01:46 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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mistamonsta said:
The burden of undefiled knowledge is a heavy weight to bear. Southpark season 15 episode 7 and 8 kinda cover this whole scenario. Apparently you have caught cynicism and now everything just looks like shit, sounds like shit, tastes like shit; everything just seems like shit. And nobody wants to hear you tell them its all shit. I have a solution, and no its not the southpark one of drinking copious amounts of booze. Learn to articulate yourself and your feelings; learn to take pleasure in the simple and untainted things in life; seek out like minded individuals and share your disdain for society; learn to laugh at all the fools and foolishness you see, dont get depressed by it. Accept that these changes in your perception are an advantage, not a curse and you will be a lot wiser and more fulfilled for it.
A question for you - you seem to know what you're talking about, so I'm willing to listen to your advice. What do you mean by the "simiple and untainted things in life"? Because most people I know would define this as things like having a job, going to their local church's senior potluck, etc., which of course are all things I have come to see as bullshit. What would be your definition of "the simple things in life?"
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LSDylan
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LighterOfDoobies]
#15569102 - 12/25/11 01:49 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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LighterOfDoobies said:
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mistamonsta said:
The burden of undefiled knowledge is a heavy weight to bear. Southpark season 15 episode 7 and 8 kinda cover this whole scenario. Apparently you have caught cynicism and now everything just looks like shit, sounds like shit, tastes like shit; everything just seems like shit. And nobody wants to hear you tell them its all shit. I have a solution, and no its not the southpark one of drinking copious amounts of booze. Learn to articulate yourself and your feelings; learn to take pleasure in the simple and untainted things in life; seek out like minded individuals and share your disdain for society; learn to laugh at all the fools and foolishness you see, dont get depressed by it. Accept that these changes in your perception are an advantage, not a curse and you will be a lot wiser and more fulfilled for it.
A question for you - you seem to know what you're talking about, so I'm willing to listen to your advice. What do you mean by the "simiple and untainted things in life"? Because most people I know would define this as things like having a job, going to their local church's senior potluck, etc., which of course are all things I have come to see as bullshit. What would be your definition of "the simple things in life?"
I know youre pissed at me and you aren't asking me but i can answer too :P
I'd like to think that these are things that have minimal or no human involvement. A leisurely walk through the woods for example
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LSDylan]
#15569118 - 12/25/11 01:53 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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LighterOfDoobies said:
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mistamonsta said:
The burden of undefiled knowledge is a heavy weight to bear. Southpark season 15 episode 7 and 8 kinda cover this whole scenario. Apparently you have caught cynicism and now everything just looks like shit, sounds like shit, tastes like shit; everything just seems like shit. And nobody wants to hear you tell them its all shit. I have a solution, and no its not the southpark one of drinking copious amounts of booze. Learn to articulate yourself and your feelings; learn to take pleasure in the simple and untainted things in life; seek out like minded individuals and share your disdain for society; learn to laugh at all the fools and foolishness you see, dont get depressed by it. Accept that these changes in your perception are an advantage, not a curse and you will be a lot wiser and more fulfilled for it.
A question for you - you seem to know what you're talking about, so I'm willing to listen to your advice. What do you mean by the "simiple and untainted things in life"? Because most people I know would define this as things like having a job, going to their local church's senior potluck, etc., which of course are all things I have come to see as bullshit. What would be your definition of "the simple things in life?"
I know youre pissed at me and you aren't asking me but i can answer too :P
I'd like to think that these are things that have minimal or no human involvement. A leisurely walk through the woods for example
I'm not pissed at you at all. I apologize if I came off that way, I am just very stoic and frank. Did not mean to offend you.
Even things like a leisurely walk in the park are hard for me to enjoy though. Because like I said, I am detached from reality by realizing that it is subjective.
I once felt euphoric around nature. Now I question my connection to nature. I think nature is just a collection of leaves, twigs, dirt, etc. After all, isn't all the industrial steel in the cities part of "nature" as well? It used to be part of some quarry somewhere, basically natural minerals, ores, materials, etc that were shaped into buildings. If the connection we feel to nature is philosophical and not purely based on shallow aesthetics, then why don't I feel this same connection to the city, towns, and industrial civilization?
Regardless of the answer to this question, the mere fact that I think about this is the reason I can't enjoy a simple walk in the park anymore.
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mistamonsta
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Re: Is there anyway to undo the perception changes caused by LSD? [Re: LSDylan]
#15569135 - 12/25/11 01:57 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I only say what I have lived and seen for myself.
I first took psychedelics when I was 14 and am now 30. After dropping out of highschool and spending many years battling depression and drug abuse I have finally come full circle to truly realise my awakening. I am now attending university, majoring in philosophy and psychology, in the hopes that I can one day understand and share these kinds of thoughts and feelings in a publicly accepted and articulate manner. Many a wise word has come from the half-crazed homeless man found ranting and raving his wisdom on the street corner but unfortunately his message goes unheard. I too have learnt that lesson the hard way.
I do not expect to change the system from within, that is impossible and pointless. Any system that will allow itself to be changed by the likes of me is obviously not worth changing. All I hope for is that I can find individuals like myself who think as I do to perhaps make this world better for those who wish it to be so. The masses will not be swayed, they are too comfortable in their blissful ignorance. My goal is to gather those who have awakened and show them some hope, some way out of the darkness, to be proud of this awareness, to find a way to use it to OUR advantage....
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