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Starting to homebrew
    #15555885 - 12/22/11 10:24 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Im going to be receiving the joy of home brewing for christmas and im wandering what supplies i can pick up before i start reading

i assume i will need
  • a heat source
  • a large pot
  • a bucket
  • a fermenter

Whats a good source to get grains, hops and yeast other than a home brew shop, there's none in my city

and am i missing anything, and suggestions on set up

thanks yall


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im so stoned i could eat kitty litter because its crunchy-glenn brace

little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
little brown mushroom-maybe one day i shall know-who you really are


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15557600 - 12/22/11 03:48 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

http://www.homebeerwinecheese.com/


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: GabbaDj]
    #15559030 - 12/22/11 08:06 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

fabulous link! :toast:


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im so stoned i could eat kitty litter because its crunchy-glenn brace

little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
little brown mushroom-maybe one day i shall know-who you really are


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15568612 - 12/24/11 08:26 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

Maltose Falcon, checking in. :beer:

I just brewed a Belgian Abbey Dubbel today using 8 lbs Belg Pils, 2 lbs Munich, 1/2 lb Caramunich, 1/2 lb Special B, 1/2 lb Flaked Barley, 60 minute single infusion mash at 154*F, later addition of 1 lb 40 srm Candi Syrup, 1 lb 90 srm Candi Syrup, Wyeast Belgian Abbey Ale yeast, 1.75 oz Tettnanger 4%AA FWH, 0.5 oz Czech Saaz @ 8 min, 1/4tsp Grains of Paradise @ 2 minute.  I know the Grains of Paradise are not to style for a Belgian Dubbel, but I just wanted to experiment a bit since I've already brewed this style a few times prior.

To the point, I'm going to Copy & Paste this reply I sent to a friend a few months ago since they posed a similar question.  The product checklist at the end is full of hyperlinks for your convenience.

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Hey peeps,

The absolute minimum equipment I would recommend for a bare-bones, partial boil system:
Kitchen Stove
3 Gallon stock pot (for boiling your extract with water & hops)
6 Gallon food grade plastic bucket with lid and airlock (for fermentation)
Auto siphon (to move your fermented beer into a bottling bucket or keg)
5 Gallon food grade plastic bucket with valve spigot (for bottling)*
Bottling wand (attaches to valve spigot for easier transfer into bottles)*
Star-San sanitizing solution and an alkaline cleaning solution (e.g. Powdery Brewer’s Wash aka PBW)
Caps and capper device for your recycled bottles
Hydrometer (to measure sugar levels before and after fermentation in order to determine efficiency and ABV)
Thermometer (to verify wort is cool enough to pitch your yeast)
* The Bottling wand and second 5 gallon spigoted bucket is not necessary if you are kegging.  You can also bottle directly from your fermenter, though your beer will likely contain more sediment and you’ll want to use pre-measured compressed and hardened sugar drops placed into each bottle since you would not want to actively stir priming sugar into your fermenter for fear of introducing contaminants and/or oxygenating the brew (and you need to make sure you have the proper added sugar level per bottle in order to make sure your bottles won’t explode from too much CO2 buildup).  To fill from the fermenter requires two people, where you would use the auto syphon to fill bottles, kinking the line in between fills to stop the flow.  Can get messy.


Now, for a proper full boil extract based brewing system that can be expanded to a moderate efficiency all grain system with the purchase of an additional 5 gallon stock pot and nylon bag for “brew in a bag” style all grain brewing (this is what I’ve been doing lately while I wait for my electric brewery to come to fruition):
High Pressure Propane Burner with Propane tank (I use this one, Pete uses this one)
6 Gallon+ stock pot (for boiling your extract with water & hops or for mashing all grain brew in a bag style)
6 Gallon+ food grade plastic bucket with lid and airlock OR 6 Gallon+ glass carboy with bung and airlock (for fermentation)
Auto siphon (to move your fermented beer into a bottling bucket or keg)
5 Gallon+ glass carboy for secondary fermentation (or to use for a separate fermentation on, say, apfelwein!)
5 Gallon+ food grade plastic bucket with valve spigot (for bottling) OR just get a Cornelius Keg System and forget about bottles for now.
Bottling wand (if you’re going the bottling bucket route)
Immersion or Counterflow chiller (to bring your hot wort down to yeast pitching temperature in a reasonable time)
Star-San sanitizing solution and an alkaline cleaning solution (e.g. Powdery Brewer’s Wash aka PBW)
Caps and capper device for your recycled bottles
Hydrometer (to measure sugar levels before and after fermentation in order to determine efficiency and ABV)
Thermometer (to verify wort is cool enough to pitch your yeast)

Here are a couple of package options (none include the stock pot):
Bare Bones: http://www.midwestsupplies.com/brewing-basics-equipment-kit.html
With 5 gal (secondary or apfewein) Carboy: http://www.midwestsupplies.com/brewing-starter-kit.html


If you want to go all glass, which will protect you in the long run from potential contaminant issues that stem from the microabraision that occurs on all plastic fermenters over time, but is also a little more difficult to work with in general (more difficult/dangerous to carry/move), you can piecemeal a system with these:
23 L (6 gal+) Carboy
Carboy Bung & Airlock
Carboy Cleaning Brush
Star-San No Rinse Sanitizer (a must!)
PBW Alkaline Cleaner (removes beer skank/stone from the inside of your carboy)
Caps and Capper (if you’re bottling)
Keg system (if you’re kegging, also pick up some growlers for shorter term portability)
Immersion or Counterflow Chiller (can easily build your immersion chiller, but NYBS offers them at a fair price)
Thermometer
Auto Siphon

Some ideas for you to chew over.
Happy brewing! =]
~M.





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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: geokills]
    #15570470 - 12/25/11 11:24 AM (5 months, 2 days ago)

Like a boss:cool:

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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: Beanhead]
    #15577534 - 12/27/11 09:21 AM (5 months, 3 hours ago)

:bigyesnod:


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hallucigens dont cause psychedelics, psychedelics cause hallucinations

if you can you should -senorcafe

im so stoned i could eat kitty litter because its crunchy-glenn brace

little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
little brown mushroom-maybe one day i shall know-who you really are


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15578672 - 12/27/11 02:06 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

Quote:

senorcafe said:
Im going to be receiving the joy of home brewing for christmas and im wandering what supplies i can pick up before i start reading

i assume i will need
  • a heat source
  • a large pot
  • a bucket
  • a fermenter

Whats a good source to get grains, hops and yeast other than a home brew shop, there's none in my city

and am i missing anything, and suggestions on set up

thanks yall




I assume you are doing extract. If not you will need much more equipment.
Either way, you will need a wort chiller. They can be made pretty easily. The immersion style is best for beginners who don't have a valve on their kettle.

Also you definitely want a hydrometer. Otherwise you will have no way to test the alcohol content, or confirm that the beer is finished.

Also I would recommend Star San as a sanitizer. It really is the best product on the market for homebrewers.


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: Heffy]
    #15579974 - 12/27/11 06:41 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

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Quote:

senorcafe said:
Im going to be receiving the joy of home brewing for christmas and im wandering what supplies i can pick up before i start reading

i assume i will need
  • a heat source
  • a large pot
  • a bucket
  • a fermenter

Whats a good source to get grains, hops and yeast other than a home brew shop, there's none in my city

and am i missing anything, and suggestions on set up

thanks yall




I assume you are doing extract. If not you will need much more equipment.
Either way, you will need a wort chiller. They can be made pretty easily. The immersion style is best for beginners who don't have a valve on their kettle.

Also you definitely want a hydrometer. Otherwise you will have no way to test the alcohol content, or confirm that the beer is finished.

Also I would recommend Star San as a sanitizer. It really is the best product on the market for homebrewers.




NO Extract for me i wanna start with the raw grains and do all the fun stuff
to my understanding extract beers dont taste as tasty no?

enjoy the links very much:super:


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hallucigens dont cause psychedelics, psychedelics cause hallucinations

if you can you should -senorcafe

im so stoned i could eat kitty litter because its crunchy-glenn brace

little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
little brown mushroom-maybe one day i shall know-who you really are


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15580049 - 12/27/11 06:58 PM (4 months, 30 days ago)

Extract beers can be fine.
Usually steeping specialty grains in the boil improves the flavour.

If you want to go all-grain you will need to buy or build a mash/lauter tun.
This is quite a bit more work than using extract, but it's worth it IMHO. I can post a pic of my mash tun tomorrow if you like.

I know where you're coming from though. Dumping cans of syrup into a pot feels like cheating.

P.S. I would go steel for the mash tun. Plastic Gatorade type containers work but I personally don't think much of them.


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: Heffy]
    #15582088 - 12/28/11 08:23 AM (4 months, 30 days ago)

You need a grain mill too. "Corona style" mills work fine.


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: Heffy]
    #15595947 - 12/31/11 07:59 AM (4 months, 27 days ago)

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Heffy said:
Extract beers can be fine.
Usually steeping specialty grains in the boil improves the flavour.

If you want to go all-grain you will need to buy or build a mash/lauter tun.
This is quite a bit more work than using extract, but it's worth it IMHO. I can post a pic of my mash tun tomorrow if you like.

I know where you're coming from though. Dumping cans of syrup into a pot feels like cheating.

P.S. I would go steel for the mash tun. Plastic Gatorade type containers work but I personally don't think much of them.




Good call to start all grain ASAP.  You might want to get an extract kit just to get started on the basic procedure however.  Also do not go with a plastic cooler mash tun what a BAD idea that was.  In addition to the obvious flavor impact it is never good to drink liquid that has been sitting in BPA laced plastic at 150 F for 90 mins.  Just fucking dumb in fact.

Now as to all grain mashing just use a stainless steel stock pot and stick the pot with lid on into a big Ice Cube cooler which you can then close up to keep temp for 90 mins.  For removing your mash liquid just siphon it off while adding sparge water.  Use a stainless steel flex hose you can make one from a plumbing flex connector get an 18" one cut off both ends peel off the braided stainless.  Shove the end over a copper pipe and stick it down in the mash tun.  Works like a champ and you don't have to use a nylon bag like Geokills suggested. I used to do it that way too but found the siphon method works better.  It's what I use now in my gravity system that has a hot liquor tank with propane underneath at top.  In middle is the mash tun.  That drains into the boil kettle via gravity.  Then gravity to the carboy. I use a stainless flex hose in the bottom of the mash tun connected to the outlet and a nice stainless ball valve.  Then silicone tubing in between that is purely temp that just gets shove over the barbed outlet of the valve.  For the boil kettle I use a tube screen and shoved a length of the stainless braided hose inside of that.  Nicely filters out leaf hops prior to fermentation. 


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #15598455 - 12/31/11 06:06 PM (4 months, 26 days ago)

If you are going all grain and using an old school corona style mill then make sure you read in Joy of Homebrewing on the chapter about the grist size.  It is sort of tricky to get those cheap mills to get the right grind where the grain husks are still intact, but once you have calibrated it you can grind 10 pounds in 20 minutes.

I have a rectangular cooler and used this site http://www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/index.php/Converting_a_cooler_to_a_mash_tun
to create it.  I used the stainless steel braid with a piece of tubing cut with holes inside so that it doesn't collapse under the grain weight.  Some O rings, a ball valve and some pipe fittings will finish it up rather nicely but you will have to work with it and test it of course before you brew with it.  oh yeah and make sure all your fittings are food safe, stainless steel is the best but also most expensive.

I actually liked extract beers when I first started and still brew with them about half the time or do a partial mash.  It is a whole lot of work to brew an all grain beer every single beer lol always takes me like 6 hours not including clean up.

I am an Edwort apfelwein fan as well.  google it up it is tasty, cheap and easy. and fun :smile:  Good luck dude let us know how it turns out.  nothing beats the taste of your own homebrew

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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: StonedStan]
    #15649264 - 01/11/12 08:22 AM (4 months, 16 days ago)

:toast:
thank yall so very much

my semester just started so i plan to slowly build and gather everything for some summer brew sessions

gota read read read:sherlock2:


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if you can you should -senorcafe

im so stoned i could eat kitty litter because its crunchy-glenn brace

little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
little brown mushroom-maybe one day i shall know-who you really are


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15652123 - 01/11/12 07:10 PM (4 months, 15 days ago)

ive been reading and in all the teks i see people force carbonating their brew

why force carbonate?
how do you naturally carbanate your beer..... isnt that what the yeast are for (other than alch)?

joys of home brewing should be here any day now :super:


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hallucigens dont cause psychedelics, psychedelics cause hallucinations

if you can you should -senorcafe

im so stoned i could eat kitty litter because its crunchy-glenn brace

little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
little brown mushroom-maybe one day i shall know-who you really are


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15654268 - 01/12/12 07:57 AM (4 months, 15 days ago)

People typically force carbonate because they have kegging equipment on hand, it's faster than natural carbonation, and it's "cleaner" tasting.

You naturally carbonate your beer by racking of the trub at the end of the fermentation and adding a small amount of fermentable sugar so that the relatively small number of yeast cells can produce sufficient CO2 to carbonate the beer. All homebrewers without kegging equipment do it this way and a minority of those with kegging equipment do.


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: naum]
    #15654471 - 01/12/12 09:02 AM (4 months, 15 days ago)

:thanx:

im trying to keep to a code of natural beer as i start out remaining simplicit but still gaining quality beer


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hallucigens dont cause psychedelics, psychedelics cause hallucinations

if you can you should -senorcafe

im so stoned i could eat kitty litter because its crunchy-glenn brace

little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
little brown mushroom-maybe one day i shall know-who you really are


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15659097 - 01/13/12 05:26 AM (4 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

senorcafe said:
ive been reading and in all the teks i see people force carbonating their brew

why force carbonate?
how do you naturally carbanate your beer..... isnt that what the yeast are for (other than alch)?

joys of home brewing should be here any day now :super:




You do know the joys of home brewing kind of sux don't you?  Well don't worry, relax and have a homebrew... lol.  Check out Palmer How to Brew it's online for free!

Anyway, as to your question.  Yes you can naturally carbonate your beer.  You add priming sugar typically either 3/4 cup corn sugar (dextrose = GMO corn YUCK) or 1 1/4 cup DME Dried Malt Extract (use this) to 5 gallons of beer.  You can add more or less to get more or less carbonation, BUT beware bottling too early or with too much priming sugar.  Beer bombs are not fun...

Now, if you are a purist like me you will resist the urge to get lazy and go with kegging/forced carbonation.  You may realize just what a pain it is to collect clean and sanitize all those bottle however and decide later to go the kegging route.  Now, it is possible to add priming sugar to a 5 gallon corny keg and get natural carbonation but still use artificial carbonation later to move it.

http://www.howtobrew.com/section1/chapter11-4.html


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15659109 - 01/13/12 05:40 AM (4 months, 14 days ago)

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senorcafe said:
:thanx:

im trying to keep to a code of natural beer as i start out remaining simplicit but still gaining quality beer




The keys to quality beer

1.  Quality ingredients.  Leaf hops from Puterbaugh farms so cheap by the pound why pay the brewshop by the ounce for stale hops?  Malt = imported is often better look to England Crisp for Maris Otter Pale and the glorious Golden Promise and Germany for Pils.  BestMalz is killer German pils.  Likewise imports often better for specialty malts.  I am not a big Briess or Great Western fan partly because their quality sux partially because the are ConAgra as for GW.  BrewBrothers.biz great source for cheap malts.

2. Water.  Filtered is better.  Do you want chlorine or fluoride or who know what else in your beer?  PS you either get a filter or you are a filter think about it.  Nice to have Reverse Osmosis to fine tune mineral levels to soften if your water is hard for lagers etc. that benefit from soft water.

3.  Sanitation.  Be klean and be sanitized.

4.  Don't use pellet hops, corn sugar, cane sugar, molasses, or brown sugar in your beer in spite of what some idiot posted on a recipe.  Don't do it. 

5.  Get your process right.  Understand what you are really doing so you can fine tune things and improve.  Measure and pay attention.  Don't be all fucked up when you are brewing wait till later.


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #15660568 - 01/13/12 11:15 AM (4 months, 14 days ago)

:super::toast:
thanks sooo much man! thats an awesome amount of goodies

ive been pointed towards joy of home brewing so i got it:ohwell: but it should be filled with valuble info

ill be back with ?s but for now im sittin stale waitin fer mula and time


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hallucigens dont cause psychedelics, psychedelics cause hallucinations

if you can you should -senorcafe

im so stoned i could eat kitty litter because its crunchy-glenn brace

little brown mushroom-so hard to identify-look alikes common
varied habitats-the mycophile wonders-edible deadly
underneath blue sky-you spread from grass to tree line-popping up when rains
little brown mushroom-maybe one day i shall know-who you really are


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Re: Starting to homebrew [Re: senorcafe]
    #15664165 - 01/14/12 06:44 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

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senorcafe said:
:super::toast:
thanks sooo much man! thats an awesome amount of goodies

ive been pointed towards joy of home brewing so i got it:ohwell: but it should be filled with valuble info

ill be back with ?s but for now im sittin stale waitin fer mula and time




you're welcome glad it helped.  well you have to read joy of home brewing it's a classic.  you will understand when I say don't worry relax have a homebrew after reading it.


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