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You could perceive it that way but although they are super rich and powerful they have missed out and sacrificed many life experiences to get to that point in their life. Newt isn't going to change the world he is simply going to perpetuate the already corrupt political system. Newt won't get it because the Paul lovers won't vote for him, the minorities will not vote for him, and i think people are starting to get confused by the changing opinion of the the American people( not the media). We could sit here and argue about this forever but the proof is in the pudding and the primaries are around the corner. Merry Christmas to you all !
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#15758593 - 02/03/12 11:30 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Nope. I never said Obama was more libertarian than anyone. You said I was not a libertarian. Now explain. Explain how I'm not a libertarian.
I'll be waiting for your wisdom and insight. Good luck with that...
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I got a better idea. Explain to us all how any self proclaimed libertarian could even consider voting for the most liberal, big government, profligate spending, nanny state President this country has ever seen ahead of any other sentient politician (I'll exclude Cynthia McKinney from that list).
You're not a libertarian. You just want legal pot. That seems to be your guiding principle.
I think you took too many shrooms.
When did I say I wanted pot to be legal? I smoke pot maybe 4 times a year. I'm just tired of people assuming that Libertarians default to "Republican" at the polls. The days of Republicans automatically getting libertarian votes are over.
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Those days never existed. Unfortunately.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Those days never existed. Unfortunately.
Of course they do. Why do you think dim-ocrats are always lumping us in as "right wingers" with you neocons? Never mind the fact that we support many left wing issues too.
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Those days never existed. Unfortunately.
Of course they do. Why do you think dim-ocrats are always lumping us in as "right wingers" with you neocons? Never mind the fact that we support many left wing issues too.
Aside from the fact that I don't give two shits how the liberal lying cunts pigeonhole their opposition, libertarians are, in my opinion, to the right of conservatives who adhere to social meddling. Nor do I accept the Paulbot definition of isolationist foreign policy as libertarian. Libertarians are not necessarily isolationist. They believe that national defense is a legitimate function of the federal government. Among those who self identify as libertarian there may be disagreements about how to achieve that, with Paulian nutcases on one side and realists on the other, but aggressive foreign policy is not contra to any definition of libertarianism I accept.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Do you think that our current level of military spending as far as foreign involvement is worth it?
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: classified]
#15760523 - 02/04/12 01:25 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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No doubt! I don't know whats wrong with half the country. I wish everybody would snap out of the zombie mode and wake up. People say Ron Paul is a loon but it seems like he would be what this country needs to get us back to the basics and get our liberties back before we become a total police state. Just my thoughts...
out of the republicans.. yes, but honestly I wouldn't trust the republican party whatsoever.
And you WOULD trust the democrats? Dumb ass.
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Do you think that our current level of military spending as far as foreign involvement is worth it?
This is complicated by the European free rider problem but generally, yes.
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Do you think that our current level of military spending as far as foreign involvement is worth it?
This is complicated by the European free rider problem but generally, yes.
zappa u need some serious mental help.
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 at the name of this thread
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: OGTubs] 2
#15794262 - 02/11/12 06:24 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Paul > All
Really, I just want the Gov to leave me the hell alone and Dr. Paul is the only one who could ever lead to more personal freedom.
Just my $.02
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Well said
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: Founderof420]
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Paul > All
Really, I just want the Gov to leave me the hell alone and Dr. Paul is the only one who could ever lead to more personal freedom.
Just my $.02
Ron Paul doesn't want to give you more rights, he wants to give states more rights. Like the right to segregate society, ban alcohol, prohibit gays from marrying, and anti abortion laws. Don't be fooled by Ron, hes an old crazy bigot.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: OGTubs]
#15822360 - 02/17/12 05:46 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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And you think the federal government are not doing all these things already. Just because it's subliminal and not direct does not mean it doesn't occur. States are easier for the people to control than a huge federal system stretched over many cultures many economic situations. Paul isn't trying to make abortion illegal or prohibit gays from marrying. Considering what we have left over( republicans ) he's our best bet. I say if you like Ron Paul, write him in. Screw political party loyalty, they are not loyal to you. Use your INDIVIDUAL right to choose which ever candidate YOU feel should be in office. Side note- a politically correct society has gotten us this far look around you why not continue with this great system we already have. Oh yeah... It supports laziness and a pass for anyone to act anyway they like if your not a white male. Teaching your children that they are American, but don't have to act like Americans because you refuse to integrate your culture with a majority who has gone to the extreme of not only encouraging integration, but actually changing their own cultures to be comparable with yours. We are the bad guys though, many people still view us as an enemy which is ridiculous. If we wanted things to be different they would be, that is the perks of being the majority. The scare tactics only work on the weak.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: Vahunter]
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And you think the federal government are not doing all these things already. Just because it's subliminal and not direct does not mean it doesn't occur. States are easier for the people to control than a huge federal system stretched over many cultures many economic situations. Paul isn't trying to make abortion illegal or prohibit gays from marrying. Considering what we have left over( republicans ) he's our best bet. I say if you like Ron Paul, write him in. Screw political party loyalty, they are not loyal to you. Use your INDIVIDUAL right to choose which ever candidate YOU feel should be in office. Side note- a politically correct society has gotten us this far look around you why not continue with this great system we already have. Oh yeah... It supports laziness and a pass for anyone to act anyway they like if your not a white male. Teaching your children that they are American, but don't have to act like Americans because you refuse to integrate your culture with a majority who has gone to the extreme of not only encouraging integration, but actually changing their own cultures to be comparable with yours. We are the bad guys though, many people still view us as an enemy which is ridiculous. If we wanted things to be different they would be, that is the perks of being the majority. The scare tactics only work on the weak.
States are easier to monitor? I'm from illinois, that is not true. I have seen governor after governor get sent to prison. We tried having a patchwork of state laws all over the country once before, it ended in civil war.
I'm not saying Ron is going to run a totalitarian state, but things won't be better for anyone if he gets elected. Except our "enemies" and our troops. He'll kill public education, entitlements, and any semblance of sound ecological policy. We will be left with state governments being bought out by corporate sponsors with no real oversight because Ron thinks the free market will magically take up the common good.
If you think Ron is better for this country than Obama just go sterilize yourself now, we don't need any more of your kind. If all your saying is hes an honest bigot trying to do what he thinks is the right thing, then carry on.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: OGTubs]
#15822452 - 02/17/12 06:52 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Looks like the people of Illinois are either one corrupt themselves by voting them in or two to weak to stand up and make a statement that it will not be tolerated( much harder to do on a federal level ). We have a government owned by huge corporate entities already and this market seems to be doing great, right or so your congressman/president would like us to believe. I'm going to assume you have some personal reason for not liking Ron Paul, I not only believe that Paul would be good for this country, I think not having him will be bad for us. I have two kids already so bring on the sterilization, that's all you need right ? two kids, one to replace you and your spouse. It makes me mad as he'll when I see gutter sluts with ten kids all of different ethnicity's and no dad in sight, why? Because you know they can't afford those kids so we pay for them. You want to talk about sterilization, there should be some personal responsibility at stake when breeding. I say take the kids and let the mom starve( gutter sluts white black or yellow) trash is trash. I recently read about eugenics and damn that's scary stuff, I don't buy it though. It's all propaganda until I see it with my own eyes. Also I noticed all the middle easterners in the different countries I was stationed in all did not trust Iraqis. One man told me that no one does because they are all cut throats and thieves. Hmm.. Maybe we should take this and turn it into the Midwest instead of the middle east. Which state is riddled with gangs, corrupt politicians cut throats and thieves. I'll give you a hint, it's not Iowa.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: Vahunter]
#15822466 - 02/17/12 06:59 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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And the civil war was started by a president with an agenda. if the federal government would have allowed the states to keep their patchwork of laws hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved. Think for yourself man, remember the victors write history and what they taught you in school about past politicians deserve to be scrutinized as much as what you hear about current politicians. There is a grand plan and that was part of it, watch as we all become slaves to worthless currency.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: Vahunter]
#15822483 - 02/17/12 07:08 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Yea and and the government should provide the pill to women who can't afford it. Ron would do away with all preventative care and just let the state pay for hospital bills. Hes right when he says they turned no one away when he was a doctor, what he doesn't say is that the state payed for that procedure AKA the tax payer.
If your aware enough to realize that our society pays for riff raff, whether or not they have social programs. Should be all that you need to know about free healthcare, clinics, and education. We are a community and we need to help those at the bottom. Because in the end we are going to pay for them anyway.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: OGTubs]
#15822510 - 02/17/12 07:24 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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I have to disagree we are not a community , we are a nation. A nation could never be managed on the same level as a community without total control. If you need help you should reach out to those around you ie family friends neighbors not rely on strangers and then have a twitty sense of entitlement and act like the worlds against you. Even though the same people helping these people are the same people that these people think are out to get them. It should not be an entitlement. Ah screw it I'm just going to vote for Ron Paul regardless and I suggest anyone who supports Ron Paul to do the same. Don't settle and give votes to either of the political party candidates that don't support what you believe.
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Re: Perry or Paul for president. [Re: Vahunter]
#15822544 - 02/17/12 07:38 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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Plus in my ideal America, we all have an equal opportunity to succeed regardless of where we were born or who we were born to. When did it become the rich people's responsibility to pay so that someone doesn't have to work so hard and work the system. When I got out of the military I couldn't find a job and went to see if I could get some temporary help. As we walked in a woman in a newer BMW and got out of her car with an authentic gator purse. So you could imagine my surprise when she walked in there to talk to her worker about her welfare. Oh by the way, we were denied assisstance, luckily I heard later that week I could apply for unemployment( which saved us until I got on my feet) no thanks to the racist social services and the welfare babies raised to work the system. Sorry, I can not say that woman needed help, but then again she was black and I was white. She drove a newer BMW I drove an 02 intrepid she had a gator bag and I had an old worn out army book bag. Can anyone possibly explain this??
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