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 New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 2
#15457725 - 12/03/11 04:29 AM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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I have been hearing about this bill The National Defence Authorization which apparently would give the U.S government and military the power to detain any American citizen and "others" and is "effectively declaring a global war on freedom"--see video below. So I just thought--JUST, about two mins ago--thought I would do a numerological check on the abbreivation of the NDAA and here it is people:
N is the 14th letter of the alphabet so you add 4+1 and this gives you 5;
D is the 4th letter, and A&A side by side gives the numbers 1&1. So all together we get this:
5+4=9 and AA left side by side gives you 11, hence altogether you see 911
EVEn if you suggested it is not fair to add the first two digits together and not the last 2, you still get ALSO that number these evil fucks seem to love 11. So you can see BOTH 9/11 and 11
Edited by zzripz (12/03/11 04:47 AM)
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 2
#15458306 - 12/03/11 08:57 AM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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How do you know they're counting letters in the english language? Hebrew seems more likely, since the jews are responsible for everything (or so I've been told lately)
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
#15458703 - 12/03/11 10:44 AM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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zzripz said:
I have been hearing about this bill The National Defence Authorization which apparently would give the U.S government and military the power to detain any American citizen and "others" and is "effectively declaring a global war on freedom"--see video below. So I just thought--JUST, about two mins ago--thought I would do a numerological check on the abbreivation of the NDAA and here it is people:
N is the 14th letter of the alphabet so you add 4+1 and this gives you 5;
D is the 4th letter, and A&A side by side gives the numbers 1&1. So all together we get this:
5+4=9 and AA left side by side gives you 11, hence altogether you see 911
EVEn if you suggested it is not fair to add the first two digits together and not the last 2, you still get ALSO that number these evil fucks seem to love 11. So you can see BOTH 9/11 and 11
I've heard you and others advocate numerology as a useful tool, usually in posts like this claiming some analysis reveals some hidden property of a piece of text.
What I'm not sure on is what the method actually is. Is there one? Without a particular method, it seems that instead you simply have arbitrary procedures being used that can produce any particular result given enough iterations- especially true when the desired output is something so simple as a three digit string.
Basically, it seems that this numerology business is just confirmation bias. If there was actually a set procedure being used than you could do proper scientific testing of the method and see if it conforms to whatever it is supposed to do (which also isn't clear).
As for the video: if there's any worthwhile argument in there, why don't you simply provide it? Conspiracy youtube videos don't have a track record of being useful.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15459538 - 12/03/11 01:57 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Thank you once again zzripz for this great post!
I have put it into other forums around the net to help it go viral.
It is interesting to see that we are actually witnessing the USA (as well as the free world) going completely down the drain, while most, if not all, the American's are just passively watching it spiral down the drain.
zzripz you are an amazing soul. I feel privileged to have been able to vicariously meet you through you writings on the internet.
Thank you
I fear one day, this internet will no longer be available for us to interact.
I'm sure there is a life beyond this reality, and in time you and I will tip a tea 
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sloantbone] 2
#15460020 - 12/03/11 03:41 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah!
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Y = 25
E = 5
A = 1
H = 8
! = 1 (it looks like a 1)
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ONE square root of 25 is 5
1 + 8 = 9
! = 1
A =1
See?
9/11
It all adds up!
Thank you for the truth.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sloantbone]
#15464995 - 12/04/11 02:25 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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sloantbone said:
Thank you once again zzripz for this great post!
I have put it into other forums around the net to help it go viral.
It is interesting to see that we are actually witnessing the USA (as well as the free world) going completely down the drain, while most, if not all, the American's are just passively watching it spiral down the drain.
zzripz you are an amazing soul. I feel privileged to have been able to vicariously meet you through you writings on the internet.
Thank you
I fear one day, this internet will no longer be available for us to interact.
I'm sure there is a life beyond this reality, and in time you and I will tip a tea
WOW, I am so pleased you feel that way. Thanks for your support and kind words. I am real glad to have met you here also 
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes] 1
#15465030 - 12/04/11 02:33 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Yeah!
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Y = 25
E = 5
A = 1
H = 8
! = 1 (it looks like a 1)
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ONE square root of 25 is 5
1 + 8 = 9
! = 1
A =1
See?
9/11
It all adds up!
Thank you for the truth.
all very convoluted. what you seem to ignore, if you are not aware of it--that occultists will admit in their writings the significance of their numerology or gematria. WHY pray would they say that if they dont mean it?
AND I have another one for you I just worked out. It is the other part of the actual number of the fascist bill which is 'senate bill 1867---OK 1+8 =9 9+6+15 15+7=
22. 22 is of course 2 11s or 2x11 yeah those 11s again
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 2
#15465120 - 12/04/11 02:57 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Not convoluted at all. I even showed my work.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15465645 - 12/04/11 04:45 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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22 is of course 2 11s or 2x11 yeah those 11s again
Why's it gotta be 2 11s? why cant it be the letter "V"?
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22 is of course 2 11s or 2x11 yeah those 11s again
Why's it gotta be 2 11s? why cant it be the letter "V"?
Some events linked to the number eleven:
11 November 1918 - on the 11th hour, World War I ended (11/11/18)
11 September 1990 - Bush gave his State of the Union Address about the New World Order.
11 September 2001 - The World Trade Centre attacks took place.
The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11
11 March 2004 - The Madrid terror attacks.
11 march 2011 - The Earthquake and tsunami hit Japan
Japan Earthquake 11 - 3 - 11
On 9 11 (9 November 1989) the Berlin Wall came down, an event organised by the CIA and its communist counterparts.
911 days after 9/11/01 the Madrid Bombings took place.
after 9/11, the FBI releases a Most Wanted Terrorist List with 22 names.
President Kennedy was assassinated in the 11th month, on the 22nd day, and on the 33rd parallel.” [i.e., 3x11)
take the ending of WWI --some humans CHOSE those times, numbers, (the '11's) didn't they? WHY?What reason? Why did they choose that pattern of numbers? WHo chose them? Obviously the top brass who were responsible for that HUGE war that cost the lives of MILLIONS of men, and made VAST profits for most likley the very same group who chose the NUMBERS. OK? With me?
Edited by zzripz (12/05/11 04:40 AM)
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 2
#15468194 - 12/05/11 05:27 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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it's nice how the number 11 can mean so much as to warrant things happening
several decades apart as being such a part of a conspiracy so vast. it's also
neat how the system can include numbers that are not 11 or the math can be
juggled so as to include addition, subtractions, multiplication and so on and
can include omissions of numbers in the sequence. the rules are arbitrary
and apparently made up on the spot
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#15468909 - 12/05/11 09:30 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
. the rules are arbitrary
and apparently made up on the spot
This is true as far as i can tell.
I've asked these number-magic people how to derive the hidden meaning from some source text and they never seem to be able to explain it. This, of course, means its a crock of shit, because there's no way to test the method and see if there's any statistical signifigance to the analysis or if its just random variance and confirmation bias.
This is like middle school science fair level stuff here.
Not too unexpected though. The same thing happens when you ask the chemtrail people how they determine if an observed trail is a chemtrail or contrail. Forget about being true or false, there's not even anything to test.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15468956 - 12/05/11 09:40 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah, you think they'd use a formula like
[(3x^2-27) / 4)] * [ 8x^2) / (9-3x)] / [(x^2+3x) / 6]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shill] 2
#15470812 - 12/05/11 05:08 PM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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Shill said:
Yeah, you think they'd use a formula like
[(3x^2-27) / 4)] * [ 8x^2) / (9-3x)] / [(x^2+3x) / 6]
it's a simple formula 1+1=11 2+2=22 which is 11 twice 11/3/11 is again 11
twice but just ignore the three because it's not 11 and throws stuff off
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15470860 - 12/05/11 05:18 PM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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zzripz said:
911 days after 9/11/01 the Madrid Bombings took place.
yo forgot that the date was 3/11/2004
add 2+3+4=9 toss in the 11 and you again get 9/11 and of course if we add in
the 11 as a couple of ones instead of an 11 we get 11 again, if you added it
by any set of rules then of course the 11 would be 11 instead of two ones so
that would mean our real total is 20
you also forgot that the madrid bombing was actually 912 days after 9/11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15471217 - 12/05/11 06:23 PM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Shill said:
Yeah, you think they'd use a formula like
[(3x^2-27) / 4)] * [ 8x^2) / (9-3x)] / [(x^2+3x) / 6]
it's a simple formula 1+1=11 2+2=22 which is 11 twice 11/3/11 is again 11
twice but just ignore the three because it's not 11 and throws stuff off
LOL that was great
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A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15473481 - 12/06/11 07:00 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
it's nice how the number 11 can mean so much as to warrant things happening
several decades apart as being such a part of a conspiracy so vast. it's also
neat how the system can include numbers that are not 11 or the math can be
juggled so as to include addition, subtractions, multiplication and so on and
can include omissions of numbers in the sequence. the rules are arbitrary
and apparently made up on the spot
take the ending of WWI --some humans CHOSE those times, numbers, (the '11's) didn't they? WHY?What reason? Why did they choose that pattern of numbers? WHo chose them? Obviously the top brass who were responsible for that HUGE war that cost the lives of MILLIONS of men, and made VAST profits for most likley the very same group who chose the NUMBERS. OK? With me?
another question: Why do freemasons have numbers for their degree stages on initiation. Do you think the numbers they choose have any significance to them or do you think they just pluck them from the air?
Edited by zzripz (12/06/11 07:03 AM)
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15473733 - 12/06/11 08:15 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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zzripz said:
take the ending of WWI --some humans CHOSE those times, numbers, (the '11's) didn't they?
why yes, humans chose those numbers, they were working on a cease fire for
months and finaly came to an agreement at 5am on 11/11/1918, somehow the
1918 doesnt play into this numbers game even though 1+9+1=11 but that
ridiculous looking 8 is still there doing nothing
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WHY?What reason? Why did they choose that pattern of numbers? WHo chose them?
I'm not the one espousing all this nonsense about the number 11 so I
couldnt possibly have an answer, surely you could answer these questions
for us since you are
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Obviously the top brass who were responsible for that HUGE war that cost the lives of MILLIONS of men, and made VAST profits for most likley the very same group who chose the NUMBERS. OK? With me?
nope... not in the slightest because instead of answers I recieved a bunch
of questions... who the hell chose 1918 as a number for a year? I bet it
was some pesky humans
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another question: Why do freemasons have numbers for their degree stages on initiation. Do you think the numbers they choose have any significance to them or do you think they just pluck them from the air?
well, here's a question, why do schools have so many numbers in their system, I mean you have 1st through 12th grade then you have the number grades which correspond with letter grades. they even have numbers on tests
here's another question, do you think it's unusual for a hierarchy that
presents it's self with various levels to list them numerically? a novice,
beginner, apprentice or what ever would surely be starting at the bottom,
what most would refer to as a first level which coincideds with the number
1, having 2 apprentices doesnt make it 11, it makes it 2. the masonic
lodge has 32 degrees with a latter one of 33 being granted by the 'supreme
council'. not a degree one can apply for, there's not 3 degrees in the
masonic lodge equaling 11, 22 and 33 so what this has to do with all this
11 bullshit I have no clue... care to fill the rest of us in on this
mystical number?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15473950 - 12/06/11 09:11 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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my guess is that 11 has something to do with the masonic pillars
boaz and jacksomething?
some of the degrees do have deeper meaning in freemasonry.
33 defenitely means something but i forget, i read about it the other day...
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15475457 - 12/06/11 02:46 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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my guess is that 11 has something to do with the masonic pillars
boaz and jacksomething?
there are 3 masonic pillars, wisdom, strength and beauty and even if it were two that's only 2 and not 11, the two pillars you're referring to were in front of solomans temple
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some of the degrees do have deeper meaning in freemasonry.
and yet you're not really sharing those deeper meanings
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33 defenitely means something but i forget, i read about it the other day...
33 is again a biblical reference regarding King David and his 33 mighty
men as well as the number of generations from Adam but the whole thing
wreaks of a vivid imagination, for instance the all seeing eye on the back
of the $1 and how the imaginary hexagram spells out 'mason', well, sure,
when you add shit that wasnt there and rearrange the order of the letters.
yet for some bothersome reason there's a 6th point on that star that
points to nothing
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15476959 - 12/06/11 07:24 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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On the thought of numbers anyone ever trip out on the number nine?
see
1 times 9 = 9
2 times 9 = 18 (one plus eight = 9)
bla bla bla
and on and on and on
121 times 9 = 1089 (one plus zero plus eight plus nine is 18) one plus eight is again = to 9
this always works therfore any real number added together to a single digit, that is nine is divisible by nine. I don't know why I was tripping on this thought today but alas it is true. but why?
lets try 8199. 8+1+9+9=27  2+7 are 9 and 8199 divided by 9 is  911
Is that a conspiracy?
numbers are spooky
oh and also 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9=45 four plus five is 9 but I'll quit there..
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: cacharstar] 2
#15477022 - 12/06/11 07:34 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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oh wow
9....
3 x 3 is 9
OMG I'VE JUST HAD A REVELATION
9
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#15477027 - 12/06/11 07:35 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Shill said:
oh wow
9....
3 x 3 is 9
OMG I'VE JUST HAD A REVELATION
9
OH IT MUST BE
3 + 3 + 3
yeah, that seems more logical (write that one in the imaginary rule book guys)
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And the wind blows it back again."
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shill]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: cacharstar]
#15477502 - 12/06/11 09:09 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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what is the name of that quality? Take any number and multiply it by 9. The sum added together until a single digit is reached will be nine. Try it.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: cacharstar]
#15478405 - 12/07/11 01:18 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Pagan lunatic.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15478653 - 12/07/11 04:13 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
here's another question, do you think it's unusual for a hierarchy that
presents it's self with various levels to list them numerically? a novice,
beginner, apprentice or what ever would surely be starting at the bottom,
what most would refer to as a first level which coincideds with the number
1, having 2 apprentices doesnt make it 11, it makes it 2. the masonic
lodge has 32 degrees with a latter one of 33 being granted by the 'supreme
council'. not a degree one can apply for, there's not 3 degrees in the
masonic lodge equaling 11, 22 and 33 so what this has to do with all this
11 bullshit I have no clue... care to fill the rest of us in on this
mystical number?
WHY does the Bible choose numbers like 666, if not for code for 'those who understand'? Ie., the initiated who understand what the numbers and other symbolism meant? Can you not see that a similar formula is happening in so-called secular world events?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 2
#15479790 - 12/07/11 10:18 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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The Bible also likes the numbers 12 and 40.
What does that have to do with anything?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15480289 - 12/07/11 12:13 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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everything apparently
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15484156 - 12/08/11 01:50 AM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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The Bible also likes the numbers 12 and 40.
What does that have to do with anything?
i am not talkin about those numbers nor the verse numbers--at this juncture, but 666; Do you know what it means? It's a NUMBER is it not? And it is used to communicate some idea isn't it?
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Verse 18 - "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man and his number is six hundred, threescore and six."
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 3
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How many times was 666 mentioned in the bible?
How many times do you see twelve or forty?
666 is mentioned ONCE. In the last book. A book written well after the main players had died.
What does this number mean to you?
Enlighten me.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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the point is that number is mentioned and it is said it can be under stood by those who "hath understanding" and "wisdom". That means those who know what it means--the initiated. The elite group being communicated to.
Or what do you think they mean when they say that?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 2
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I think you just dodged MY question. Why should I answer yours?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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I think you just dodged MY question. Why should I answer yours?
Because my question is more crucial and to the point. The subject of this thread is not particularly about the number 666, but about the numbers 9, and 11. I am trying to get you to stop being in denial about the reality that groups will and do communicate through number as well as words, and that words too can reveal numbers as NDAA seems to.
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Some groups communicate through sign language or dots and dashes. Computers communicate with zeros and ones (lots of 11's in binary).
It is all so clear now.
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Um, you do know that 666 was part of a Hebrew numerical code that spelled out the name of the current roman emperor at the time. "Those that knew" pretty much meant Jews. I donno why you are making such a big deal out of it, I thought this was common knowledge.
The book of revelation is actually very anti government
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 2
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here's another question, do you think it's unusual for a hierarchy that
presents it's self with various levels to list them numerically? a novice,
beginner, apprentice or what ever would surely be starting at the bottom,
what most would refer to as a first level which coincideds with the number
1, having 2 apprentices doesnt make it 11, it makes it 2. the masonic
lodge has 32 degrees with a latter one of 33 being granted by the 'supreme
council'. not a degree one can apply for, there's not 3 degrees in the
masonic lodge equaling 11, 22 and 33 so what this has to do with all this
11 bullshit I have no clue... care to fill the rest of us in on this
mystical number?
WHY does the Bible choose numbers like 666, if not for code for 'those who understand'? Ie., the initiated who understand what the numbers and other symbolism meant? Can you not see that a similar formula is happening in so-called secular world events?
I cannot see anything, it all needs to be explained just as I need to
explain that it was the word of man recorded in the bible, not the word of
god, it was written by man, compiled by man. transcribed, transliterated
and altered by man
as for the 666, it could be that or it could be 616 or 888 or 999 or 696, the oldest piece of info we have, the Oxyrhynchus Papyri, shows it as 616
so where my answer and why would people go around believing some text only
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 3
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I think you just dodged MY question. Why should I answer yours?
Because my question is more crucial and to the point. The subject of this thread is not particularly about the number 666, but about the numbers 9, and 11. I am trying to get you to stop being in denial about the reality that groups will and do communicate through number as well as words, and that words too can reveal numbers as NDAA seems to.
how can we stop being in denial when you dodge every question asked of you and instead demand we answer yours
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I think you just dodged MY question. Why should I answer yours?
Because my question is more crucial and to the point. The subject of this thread is not particularly about the number 666, but about the numbers 9, and 11. I am trying to get you to stop being in denial about the reality that groups will and do communicate through number as well as words, and that words too can reveal numbers as NDAA seems to.
You don't answer questions people ask of you, yet you raise your own in nearly every post. This has been going on for a while now.
What would help your point more than your bare claims and questions would be some logical defense of your position. If you can't answer the relatively obvious questions that Prisoner and Cervantes have asked you, it sure doesn't seem like you even have a coherent argument. I myself still don't understand what your claim is: you've repeatedly dodged questions asking what the method of numerical analysis is and now your going on about 666, yet I don't know what the signifigance is. You appeal to incredulity that the number would be included but without meaning, but how does this back up whatever your trying to demonstrate?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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How many times was 666 mentioned in the bible?
apparently 'once'---but I am not that quick to conclude that is so like some of the others here, because I do not understand Hebrew, and how one could maybe find the number in that language's words (because each Hebrew letter has a corresponding number http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm Same is so for the other languages used and the hidden languages which John Allegro revealed in his book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, such as the 'dead' language, Sumerian.
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How many times do you see twelve or forty?
I dont know? How many? And what's this got to do with anything? I do know theree is a significance in the '40 days and 40 nights'
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666 is mentioned ONCE. In the last book. A book written well after the main players had died.
Well, how do you know that an ONGOING elite isn't being talked to? I don't have to tell you that Christianity became the offical religion of Roman imperialism do I?
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What does this number mean to you?
I am not sure. Some claim it refers to the Roman emperor, others the pope. other's the 'devil'. it could refer to the concept of the evil of Rome. OR it could be really a mumber used BY that very elite to commnicate to each other. Ie., the very Bible could be a continuance with the the historical events that have happened in the world via patriarchal history. A mindset which seeks to control nature and all species and humans. They might be audaciously referring to themselves proudly when they use that number 666 for themselves.
I dont see any difference between the utter disregard for animals, nature, and humans, and planet Earth, the Romans displayed and the U.S and other 'developed countries.
Enlighten me.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Heres some speculation;
angles in an equilateral triangle.
points, sides, and intersections in a hexagram.
2/3
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Dude, thank you for that reply.
Since we live half a world away, I must sleep before I properly respond.
That said Z, for some reason, you have always been fair to me. We rarely agree (but it has happened before).
Thanks for the answers to my questions. Of course I won't agree with all of your theories, but I will indeed return the favor... when I wake.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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How many times was 666 mentioned in the bible?
apparently 'once'---but I am not that quick to conclude that is so like some of the others here, because I do not understand Hebrew, and how one could maybe find the number in that language's words (because each Hebrew letter has a corresponding number http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm Same is so for the other languages used and the hidden languages which John Allegro revealed in his book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, such as the 'dead' language, Sumerian.
the original texts were in aramaic, the language that gave birth to both arabic and hebrew
 
some guy writing about how jesus was a mushroom is hardly proof of anything
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Well, how do you know that an ONGOING elite isn't being talked to? I don't have to tell you that Christianity became the offical religion of Roman imperialism do I?
why would there be a need for this 'ancient' boot that's seldom changed to
be used as a form of communication for a secret organization, wouldnt the
message need to be changed a bit since the time of Constantine as the
times have changed. surely with the number of broken codes over the past
2000 years someone would have cracked the codes claimed to be in the bible
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Well spotted Z.
I'm not too hot on numerology but i do remember NATO (via Georgia) attacked Ossetia on 8/8/8, the same date as the chinese olympics. Now I know the Chinese have a hard on for the number 8 as it's all about prosperity and wealth.
Now, I could say that it's just a co-incidence as what better time to sneak attack a country than when most of the world's attention is focused on the olympics. But the powers that be do like doing things on auspicious dates. And they're predictable as well
For those of you that know Freeman predicted that buildings would be blown up on 9/11 because of the significance of the number 11. For those of you that don't know, Freeman is a guy who studies esoterica and talks about it on his radio show and website. He's got what I think are some whacky theories on cloning and celebrity deathcults but it makes a fair bit of sense.
He said that he later found out that the corner stones of the pentagon and WTC 1 & 2 were both laid on 9/11. I don't know if that's true, but if I found it was, I would not be surprised. That's the sad thing about this, the powers that be are so predictable after a while. Always with the false flag attacks, blaming a group they want to destroy for a terrorist act they commit, always saying "oh we were running drills that day" when people point out, hey, you were doing the exact same thing as the terrorists (7/7, 9/11).
BTW: It's a lot easier to just post up the information, let those that want to learn come to their own conclusions, and not argue with naysayers. I don't know why the truth is so controversial. We know from history that world leaders were vicious evil child sacrificing barbarians, are we so naive as to believe they couldn't possibly be the same now? Really? These great-grandsons and daughters are not into the same traditions as their psychopathic, backstabbing, parasitic, death-cult ancestors?
This is why girls get into cars with people like Ted Bundy. People just cannot imagine someone being evil, or wanting to hurt them. Not because they did anything wrong, just because for some people, their kick is not sex or drugs, it's power. And what greater power is there than to take someone's life?
You ever notice those in power really have no qualms about killing, and relish it?
You ever notice all the old religion publically worshipped? The Obelisks, the idols, the images of sacrifice?
Do you ever notice history repeating?
666: All I know about 666 is that the star of David is a symbolic representation of this number (six points, six triangles, a hexagon). In England, our emergency number is 999. I guess making it 666 all those years ago would have been too blatant. Why 999? In an emergency on the old style telephones, 999 takes the longest time to dial. 111 makes much more sense.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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zzripz said:
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How many times was 666 mentioned in the bible?
apparently 'once'---but I am not that quick to conclude that is so like some of the others here, because I do not understand Hebrew, and how one could maybe find the number in that language's words (because each Hebrew letter has a corresponding number http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm Same is so for the other languages used and the hidden languages which John Allegro revealed in his book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, such as the 'dead' language, Sumerian.
the original texts were in aramaic, the language that gave birth to both arabic and hebrew
some guy writing about how jesus was a mushroom is hardly proof of anything
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Well, how do you know that an ONGOING elite isn't being talked to? I don't have to tell you that Christianity became the offical religion of Roman imperialism do I?
why would there be a need for this 'ancient' boot that's seldom changed to
be used as a form of communication for a secret organization, wouldnt the
message need to be changed a bit since the time of Constantine as the
times have changed. surely with the number of broken codes over the past
2000 years someone would have cracked the codes claimed to be in the bible
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some guy writing about how jesus was a mushroom is hardly proof of anything
'Some guy'?? John M. Allegro wasn't just 'some guy'
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John Marco Allegro was a researcher in philology who had graduated with a first-class honors degree in Oriental Studies from Manchester University in England. He had earlier begun training for the Methodist ministry, but had left to pursue the degree course when he found that studying biblical languages was making him question the foundations of his Christian beliefs. While working towards a doctorate at Oxford, he was invited to join the original Scrolls-editing team in 1953. In 1954, he became an assistant lecturer at the University of Manchester. Considered an up-and-coming philologist in regards to middle-eastern and Mediterranean languages, Allegro was the only agnostic on the international team of translators of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Most of the other members of the “international” scrolls team were ordained Catholic priests, including Father de Vaux and Father Josef Milik of the École Biblique (the library publication/research arm of the Vatican), Father Jean Starcky, Father Maurice Baillet, and Monsignor Patrick Skehan
His role in being picked to study The Dead Sea Scrolls was that he had experience in Christianity, but was later an agnostic unlike the others chosen and so didn't have that cultish bias to prove the Christian myth as officially layed out for hundreds of years, so his presence proved to be vital for shaking things the fuck up.
You ask what would be the point OF there being some secret code being communicated in books like the Bible, and onward into our modern history? Power? and the willful continuance of it by an elite?
The thing which strikes me when I started finding out-- post 9/11 (because I had read Allegro's book way before that) about the present forms of numerology going on in modern history is that, I had gleaned from reading Allegro just how the patriarchal myth-makers wrote it in LAYERS. So you would have a surface narrative--a simple morality tale to be literally understood by the gullible or those unaware of their devices--because remember it was only an elite who had the means to write this and disseminate it--whilst the hidden layers were just for the elite to know about--hence that pice quoted from the Bible above "let those who have wisdom....who hath understanding". Obviously it is the initiated who will understand the hidden symbolism and numerology who are being addressed there. For how many even in this thread actually claim to KNOW what --for example--666 means, even after all this time since this shit was put down? And so likewise, when I became aware of these numbers etc, including the city dominant architecture influenced by Egypt, etc, it becamse clearer to me that a similar thing is coninuuing to this day. So, you will get the surface story--the news on your TV, the paper, cetra, but there are hidden layers to that which an elite know about----is how they are communicated to.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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His role in being picked to study The Dead Sea Scrolls was that he had experience in Christianity, but was later an agnostic unlike the others chosen and so didn't have that cultish bias to prove the Christian myth as officially layed out for hundreds of years, so his presence proved to be vital for shaking things the fuck up.
if by shaking things up you really mean "putting a knife into the heart of
his career" then he certainly did that because the aforementioned book
killed it fast
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You ask what would be the point OF there being some secret code being communicated in books like the Bible, and onward into our modern history? Power? and the willful continuance of it by an elite?
how would this alleged code allow people to hold power, we already know
that religion upheld power without the use of any silly 2000 year old
secret code, kings became kings because of their involvement with the
church. how would an ancient code do anything that the pope couldnt?
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So you would have a surface narrative--a simple morality tale to be literally understood by the gullible or those unaware of their devices--because remember it was only an elite who had the means to write this and disseminate it--whilst the hidden layers were just for the elite to know about--hence that pice quoted from the Bible above "let those who have wisdom....who hath understanding".
if only the elite would know of these things then how could you know? how
is it that thousands of cryptographers over the years, some who's only job
is to read books, news articles, magazines, watch TV and the like in order
to find codes havent discovered these biblical codes.
how would the message of this 2000 year old code be of any importance today?
what is the message being delivered in this ancient code
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For how many even in this thread actually claim to KNOW what --for example--666 means, even after all this time since this shit was put down?
except 666 is incorrect as I'd already pointed out
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I don't got a lot to say but I did want to point out this:
666 ÷ 9 = 74
7 + 4 = 11
What that means,
I don't know.
I just wanted to see if anyone had anything to say about it haha.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: ElVatoFirme]
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I don't got a lot to say but I did want to point out this:
666 ÷ 9 = 74
7 + 4 = 11
What that means,
I don't know.
I just wanted to see if anyone had anything to say about it haha.
LOL that's interesting!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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guys... maybe its people that belive that numbers for tell things and are being used to control major world events that are in power. i actually read this one article, well if i find it again I'll post it, but basically it said that alot of the more wealthy people are really superstitious and religious, so maybe they subconsciously made important choices on days and times that corresponded with their magical numbers. OH and check this out
666+1 = 667
667 HAIL STAN!
coincidence? i think not. STAN SHALL RULE THE WORLD.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I would suggest first see/understand that cults use symbolism, and with this will include gematria or numerology. That this is a secret code that makes those in-the-know feel all special, and in-the-know----above the 'profane' who are dupes for the sur-face story.
John Allegro revealed to me these hidden layers, and this is why he was attacked so much, because people a) dont want to feel they have been duped, and b) those who dupe dont want their tricks being exposed
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how would this alleged code allow people to hold power, we already know
that religion upheld power without the use of any silly 2000 year old
secret code, kings became kings because of their involvement with the
church. how would an ancient code do anything that the pope couldnt?
WHY do they have secret meetings? Surely you must know by now that power-freaks love secrecy, being part of an in-crowd, and they will say one thing and do another, and they use propaganda. So why notsecret 'codes'...?
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if only the elite would know of these things then how could you know? how is it that thousands of cryptographers over the years, some who's only job is to read books, news articles, magazines, watch TV and the like in order to find codes havent discovered these biblical codes.
how would the message of this 2000 year old code be of any importance today? what is the message being delivered in this ancient code
because often they look in the wrong places? Allegro looks in the right places. He was a philologist, and had access to ancient script which lelped join dots. As someone who I am assuming is no stranger to psychedelics (??), surely you may understand the significance psychedelics have played throughout human history, so why should the Christian cult be any different? He though more focused on words rather than numbers.
In the KJV doesn't it say 666?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Visionary tools vary depending on the weilder.
When I'm older, I'd like to know why I see the world a certain way, why the powers that be see it another, and why the plebs/profane/sheep/zombies/sensible people see it their way.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15504916 - 12/12/11 12:34 PM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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Not convoluted at all. I even showed my work.
like OP said, numerologists, who have done actually pronounced works, have admitted (however bad that may be) to using these sorts of numbers and numerology.
so go away
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: akira_akuma]
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They use numbers like 1,2, and 3?
Wow. I didn't know numerologists did that.
Highly technical work they do.
I wouldn't know how to use such things like single digit numbers.
Notice, double digit numbers become two single digit numbers? 24 becomes 2+4? Wow.
Like I said, highly technical. How on Earth do they do it?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: akira_akuma]
#15505979 - 12/12/11 04:14 PM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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Great come back!
1, 2, 3 and 4
3+4+2 = 9
1+1 apparently = 11
And YOU say, "Ha-Ha!".
Check your math, Nelson.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: akira_akuma]
#15508553 - 12/13/11 01:13 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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actually 1+1 = 2 it seems they like to leave 1 and 1 by each others side to show 11, and hence we have letters that give this also like AA11 flight which flew into the north tower on 9/11.
There is another explanation proffered which I was reading last night---so here in this thread we have those including me who is seeing a hidden-in-plain-sight (when you see the patterns) code, and those who do not buy it----but the guy last night who believes 9/11 was a "mega ritual" doesn't believe in conspiracy but "synchromysticism", which he defines as all these corresponding numbers, events etvc--not only 9/11 but other events, and even films, songs, and seeing things that suddenly synchronize with what you had just thought or said is the universe bringing us deeper into a deeper sense of reality.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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In your OP you say:
A = 1
And AA = 11
1+1 = 11
YOUR math, not mine.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15510918 - 12/13/11 01:16 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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In your OP you say:
A = 1
And AA = 11
1+1 = 11
YOUR math, not mine.
No I meant 1 plus 1 together, not the sum of.
So....where are we?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15510948 - 12/13/11 01:22 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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You seem to think the 'sum' is different than I do.
1+1=2
The sum is 2 not 11.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15510957 - 12/13/11 01:24 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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We're at the same place as always:
You've been asked repeatedly to provide the numerological procedure used to analyze the source texts. You've refused to indicate what t he procedure is, nor to provide any evidence your manipulations in this post are anything but ad hoc methods you fiddle around with untill you get an answer you like.
This is precisely why a proper scientific analysis uses stated methods and materials: so the method may be examined to see if it is capable of producing the claimed output reliably. In this case, it seems there is no method and you don't even use consistent mathematics, as cervantes and prisoner note: 1+1 is sometimes 11, is sometimes "1 plus 1 together" (whatever that means), and the product of the numeric substititons are either added, multiplied, divided, or listed- apparently all without any rhyme nor reason.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
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In other words, your math only calculates for YOU.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15514075 - 12/14/11 03:37 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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No your just in denial about it. I can see this very clearly indeed. Think about it Flight AA11 crashes into the north tower. I mean...lol I mean if it was branded on your forehead it cant be clearer. It is SO blatant it is fully sad some people refuse to see it and this is most likely their idea of a VERY sick joke! Its why this stuff is often referred to as 'hidden in plain sight'
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15514119 - 12/14/11 04:20 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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I would suggest first see/understand that cults use symbolism
so do countries and companies and while GE has the slogan of 'we bring
good things to life' it doesnt mean they're necromancers
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how would this alleged code allow people to hold power, we already know
that religion upheld power without the use of any silly 2000 year old
secret code, kings became kings because of their involvement with the
church. how would an ancient code do anything that the pope couldnt?
WHY do they have secret meetings? Surely you must know by now that power-freaks love secrecy, being part of an in-crowd, and they will say one thing and do another, and they use propaganda. So why notsecret 'codes'...?
what secret meetings? the bilderberg group? the free masons? all the other secret organizations that arent secrets who's meetings are well known and even publicized, many who's minutes are released for the public to read?
just because the general public isnt invited to my business meetings it
doesnt mean it's a secret meeting, it means it's a private event
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how would the message of this 2000 year old code be of any importance today? what is the message being delivered in this ancient code
because often they look in the wrong places? Allegro looks in the right places. He was a philologist, and had access to ancient script which lelped join dots.
many thousands of people have been given access, many have been published,
hundreds of thousands of people have have read these texts in their
original form many millions more have read them as translated, how is it
that allegro is the only person to have looked in the right place and drawn the conclusions that he did
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/Library/library.html
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As someone who I am assuming is no stranger to psychedelics (??), surely you may understand the significance psychedelics have played throughout human history, so why should the Christian cult be any different? He though more focused on words rather than numbers.
psychedelics usage doesnt give one some mystical insight into anything
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In the KJV doesn't it say 666?
wasnt the bible written and compiled about 1000 years before the king
james version? seems accurate translations were not the church's top
priority in 1611, in fact I dont believe it was even possible at that time
especially when the church was all about controlling the people and the
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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No your just in denial about it. I can see this very clearly indeed. Think about it Flight AA11 crashes into the north tower. I mean...lol I mean if it was branded on your forehead it cant be clearer. It is SO blatant it is fully sad some people refuse to see it and this is most likely their idea of a VERY sick joke! Its why this stuff is often referred to as 'hidden in plain sight'
United Airlines flight 175 crashed into the south tower and United Airlines
Flight 93 crashed into a field in Pa while American Airlines Flight 77
crashed into the pentagon... why is flight 11 the only one of importance?
is it because it happens to have 11 in it's flight designation and therefore
it validates your claim that 11 is some occultist number?
9+3 = 12
1+7+5 = 13
7+7 = 14
so now we have 11,12,13,14... it's a sequence of numbers, what does it mean?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15515634 - 12/14/11 12:27 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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You forgot to add 1+1 for flight 11.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15516705 - 12/14/11 04:16 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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No your just in denial about it. I can see this very clearly indeed. Think about it Flight AA11 crashes into the north tower. I mean...lol I mean if it was branded on your forehead it cant be clearer. It is SO blatant it is fully sad some people refuse to see it and this is most likely their idea of a VERY sick joke! Its why this stuff is often referred to as 'hidden in plain sight'
United Airlines flight 175 crashed into the south tower and United Airlines
Flight 93 crashed into a field in Pa while American Airlines Flight 77
crashed into the pentagon... why is flight 11 the only one of importance?
is it because it happens to have 11 in it's flight designation and therefore
it validates your claim that 11 is some occultist number?
9+3 = 12
1+7+5 = 13
7+7 = 14
so now we have 11,12,13,14... it's a sequence of numbers, what does it mean?
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why is flight 11 the only one of importance?
Where in this thread have I said that? See how you jump to conclusions, and presume? It IS very prominent, especially on 9/11 when we take even the shape of the twin twoers themselves resembling a number 11.
What you then tend to do is try and ad hoc numerology without being aware of what is being done. And remember twas you who brought this up. OK the numbers of 9/11 are connected with none other than Aleister Crowley!! 11, 77, 93, and 175 (the flight numbers), are numbers directly linked to Aleister Crowley's occult magickal numerology and practicies!
Crowley wrote a book titled Liber 77, and claimed 77 was the septenary, and was 11x7 - a magickal number, and is also a symbol of Capricorn, the Devil in the Tarot cards. In Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible, there are 77 names of the Devil.
93 "is the only number which totally relates to Crowley—within the occult tradition there is no antecedence...The 93 are the Kabbalic numbers of his two primary words in Greek: Thelema (‘will’) and Agape, both equalling 93, and the chief entity he was in contact with was Aiwass (see image onthe left), and in Hebrew Aiwass is also 93. So 77 and 93 are very important gematria-Kabbalah relationships to Crowley".
175 is a number he used to invoke any deity through magickal ritual.
William Ramsey reminds us that the World Trade Centre towers suggested a giant figure 11, and also each of the towers had 110 floors, so ignoring the zero that gives an 11 for each tower,
"and strangely I think the first flight 11 hit round about the 93rd floor. The second flight 175 hit directly on the 77th floor "!
The UK London bombing also happened on what is known on 7/7, and if you do numerology on the entire date of 7th July 2005, you get 7 and seventh month=7, and 2+5= 7 all in all = 777
Why Crowley? He was the self-proclaimed prophet of the 'New Aeon'/Age, and called himself the Beast 666!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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What you then tend to do is try and ad hoc numerology without being aware of what is being done.
I dont want to hear "this is what is because XXX said so" I want to
understand the process of why some numbers are added and others are
stand alone while more are combined to come up with this crap
I cannot be aware of it until this part is explained
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15517079 - 12/14/11 05:26 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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then you should read some books.
let me put it this way, cyphers and other encoded messages are obviously real encoded messages are handled by secret service, and their creators usually highly protect the methodology because, well, its a secret message between secrative entities.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517415 - 12/14/11 06:30 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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yadayaddayadda, yakity schmakity
can you not explain it?
didnt you read the books, did the books not explain it all to you?
why not explain it to me?
I've read some books but apparently I just havent read the right ones, why
not send me the right books so there's no mistaking that I dont pick up the
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517693 - 12/14/11 07:10 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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then you should read some books.
let me put it this way, cyphers and other encoded messages are obviously real encoded messages are handled by secret service, and their creators usually highly protect the methodology because, well, its a secret message between secrative entities.
Since when?
The whole definition of the security of a cryptographic method is often measured by how difficult it is to recover the plaintext given every piece of information but the secret key.
All the commonly used encryption functions are publically known, and many, many, examples demonstrate the folly of relying on secret algortithms: they're often plagued with major weaknesses and are broken within weeks of market adoption (i.e. self-encrypting harddrives/usb keys/ and so forth that use proprietary algorithms).
You should let the NIST and NSA know they made a mistake in certifying the AES algorithm. Apparently they weren't aware that public knowledge of the algorithm would weaken its security.
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then you should read some books.
Great- more personal insults accompanying a post that fails to provide any responsive information.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15517701 - 12/14/11 07:12 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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I dont know exactly how it works, and i suspect there are different systems.
you would need to be a master code breaker and mathmetician to know it all.
the most common numerologic things ive seen involve adding or multiplying individual numbers in a string, or funky things with integers and prime numbers etc.
of course you still need to know the key to what those numbers are supposed to mean.
i want to know the keys toooo...
but if it were common knowledge it would defeat the point of a secret message no?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15517766 - 12/14/11 07:23 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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You just cut and pasted that from a blog.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517825 - 12/14/11 07:36 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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I want to add that numbers can reprisent general concepts too.
to the best of my knowledge 11 reprisents hegelian dialectic, or transformation or synthesis.
kind of like duality resulting in the whole.
sort of like a portal to the future resulting from opposing forces.
or like a battery.
i hope that makes sense, though i may be totally wrong.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517849 - 12/14/11 07:43 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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I dont know exactly how it works, and i suspect there are different systems.
Great, you don't know. Well, neither do I, neither does Cervantes, neither does Pris.
I suspect that the reason none of us know 'how it works' is because it doesn't, but who knows. It sure seems surprisingly difficult to tease the methodlogy from those who do claim to be able to interpret the code- makes me wonder whether they actually can.
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you would need to be a master code breaker and mathmetician to know it all.
That begs the question that there is anything to know, which hasn't bee determined. So far, there's no evidence this crap actually has any discernable hidden meaning.
Further, the question of whether one can "know it all" is an irrelevant aside. The questions here are regarding some code that zzripz claims to be able to parse- whether he can do the same with other code is irrelevant.
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but if it were common knowledge it would defeat the point of a secret message no?
What does it matter? ZZripz himself claims to know the secret and to provide the secret meaning, so this question is irrelevant. All that remains is for him to disclose the method of deriving the plaintext.
I suspect the reason he won't is because there is no method- its just another thing he says but can't back up.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
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Ps i didnt mean read some books as an insult, i just mean there are lots of books out about the subject and we probably wont get as far with the OP.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15518925 - 12/15/11 12:29 AM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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as long as I skim over john and pris's posts, this becomes rather informative.
You hear the one about Alistair Crowley being great-grandfather of Barbara Bush? The genealogy of these parasites is revelatory to say the least
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
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Dianne Feinstein (with Paul, Udal, Leahy and others) is introducing a WHOLE new BILL that PLAINLY states that NO AMERICANS will be detained indefinitely without charge or trial by the military..
I believe it is called: "The GUARANTEE of DUE PROCESS Act"
still getting details..
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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You just cut and pasted that from a blog.
nice catch... just when I thought he'd moved beyond that sort of shit and
he'd earned some respect for presenting some sort of argument, he's now cast
doubt on everything he says and I'll only know him now as someone that
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I never had any doubt on that fact. I don't know if he's ever answered a challenge or question regarding his claims. Usually its just some copy-pasted nonsense from youtube or some conspiracy site mixed in with some insults and claims that everyone is ignorant to the 'secret truth'.
I doubt there's really anything to understand in those works he copy-pastes from. Often they are just a list of bare claims with no backing at all- probably why such claims can never be explained by the copy-paster.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15524683 - 12/16/11 04:31 AM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
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You just cut and pasted that from a blog.
nice catch... just when I thought he'd moved beyond that sort of shit and
he'd earned some respect for presenting some sort of argument, he's now cast
doubt on everything he says and I'll only know him now as someone that
parrots the work of others without any understanding of it
LOL that is MY blog!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15524718 - 12/16/11 04:53 AM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
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my apologies, then
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15526356 - 12/16/11 12:53 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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my birthday is on 2/2, 22/2 is 11, therefore I am the devil.  All the time these topics come up, it always seems as though, the numerology only makes sense and means something to those that want it to make sense and mean something. Its like an inkblot.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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You just cut and pasted that from a blog.
nice catch... just when I thought he'd moved beyond that sort of shit and
he'd earned some respect for presenting some sort of argument, he's now cast
doubt on everything he says and I'll only know him now as someone that
parrots the work of others without any understanding of it
LOL that is MY blog!
changes nothing as you copied it from there and pasted it here as opposed
to a direct response to me. since my responses are always my own and in
response to the person I'm conversing with
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: snoot]
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my birthday is on 2/2, 22/2 is 11, therefore I am the devil. All the time these topics come up, it always seems as though, the numerology only makes sense and means something to those that want it to make sense and mean something. Its like an inkblot.
this year mine was 11/11/2011 but you can ignore the 20 because it just gets in the way of proving I'm more evil than the devil
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
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my apologies, then
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15548839 - 12/21/11 01:46 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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I haven't confirmed if this is true yet, but just seen in the info part about Obama signing the NDAA it claim Quote:
on the 220th anniversary of the codification of the Bill of Rights, President Obama signed into law an act that
If so, there again we have the 2x11=22 or 11:11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15549273 - 12/21/11 06:27 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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except it isnt 22, it's 220
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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except it isnt 22, it's 220
Oh prisoner.......keep up already. they never count the zero? so 220 is 22. Like 110 floors of each world trade centre tower were 11 each, according to their numerology. Ie., you dont count the zeros
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15550119 - 12/21/11 10:16 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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so 110 floors are only 11 floors... no onder no one can understand the math
behind it, it's made up and all random and retarded
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his year mine was 11/11/2011 but you can ignore the 20 because it just gets in the way of proving I'm more evil than the devil
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so 110 floors are only 11 floors... no onder no one can understand the math
behind it, it's made up and all random and retarded
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his year mine was 11/11/2011 but you can ignore the 20 because it just gets in the way of proving I'm more evil than the devil
IS zero a number? if I go 1+0= (what is answer?)just wondering
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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so 110 floors are only 11 floors... no onder no one can understand the math
behind it, it's made up and all random and retarded
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his year mine was 11/11/2011 but you can ignore the 20 because it just gets in the way of proving I'm more evil than the devil
IS zero a number? if I go 1+0= (what is answer?)just wondering
zero's not a number? or numerical digit?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: snoot]
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not when it comes to numerology. Zero doesn't count. It's an old system, predating the invetion of zero.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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so 110 floors are only 11 floors... no onder no one can understand the math
behind it, it's made up and all random and retarded
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his year mine was 11/11/2011 but you can ignore the 20 because it just gets in the way of proving I'm more evil than the devil
IS zero a number? if I go 1+0= (what is answer?)just wondering
well that depends on whether we use the conspiracy math or not, since
1+1=11 then obviously 1+0=10, in this kooky math does 10+10=2- or does it
equal 11... surely if we tack a zero onto the back of another number like
9 it changes the value of that number to 90 and none of this addresses why
the 2 isnt factored in 11/11/2011 when the other numbers are in all these
other conspiracy math equations
please oh great one, share these math rules with us
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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The problem is that it's got no predictive power whatsoever
and that is the problem, if this was applied consistently by some specific
formula then we could use it to predict dates and times of future events but
since the rules are arbitrary and only applied to make it seem as though they
have some significance it can only be applied after the fact which is why it
is limited to so few events. thus far they havent been about to make many
more events fit this numerological profile, events such as the bombings in
great britain through the 70's and 80's by the IRA or the terrorist bombing
on 7/2/1915 or 2/26/1993
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15553627 - 12/21/11 08:53 PM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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Those same aspects of this "analysis" mean that this kind of debate completely pointless, Priz.
Trying to rationally argue away someone's faith is an exercise (at best) in futility.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so 110 floors are only 11 floors... no onder no one can understand the math
behind it, it's made up and all random and retarded
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his year mine was 11/11/2011 but you can ignore the 20 because it just gets in the way of proving I'm more evil than the devil
IS zero a number? if I go 1+0= (what is answer?)just wondering
well that depends on whether we use the conspiracy math or not, since
1+1=11 then obviously 1+0=10, in this kooky math does 10+10=2- or does it
equal 11... surely if we tack a zero onto the back of another number like
9 it changes the value of that number to 90 and none of this addresses why
the 2 isnt factored in 11/11/2011 when the other numbers are in all these
other conspiracy math equations
please oh great one, share these math rules with us
Again, keep up. I explained that I never meant that 1+1 =11. I meant that eg AA is two ones side by side if you understand A as being first letter of the alphabet. Clear?
So should 10+10=2 if, as I said they often ignore the zeros like with the 110 floors of the ex-WTCs? Good question. I don't know. I doubt it because '2' doesn't feature much as fasr as I know, and I haven't--as I recall--come across the 10+10 = 11 in the patterns in their numerology I have seen. maybe though if presented like this 1010.
I am just looking at number patterns connected with their evil doings, and architecture etc.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15554676 - 12/22/11 02:04 AM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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The problem is that it's got no predictive power whatsoever
and that is the problem, if this was applied consistently by some specific
formula then we could use it to predict dates and times of future events but
since the rules are arbitrary and only applied to make it seem as though they
have some significance it can only be applied after the fact which is why it
is limited to so few events. thus far they havent been about to make many
more events fit this numerological profile, events such as the bombings in
great britain through the 70's and 80's by the IRA or the terrorist bombing
on 7/2/1915 or 2/26/1993
I haven't looked into the 'Irish' bombings as such, but obviously the 9/11 event and 7/7 were bombings meant to influence events in a global scale. I only really became aware of the numerology soo after 7/7 when I had started trying to correlate the more 'mundane' coincidences between 9/11 and 7/7.
I dont HAVE to predict what these sick toxic fucks will do, I know the ROOTS of why they do it, and they will continue doing it using their occultist codes. So for me, even though I am interested in this, I realize that the more important thing is to explain the deeper roots of why they want to destroy everything.
Their use of codes for what their doing seems whack to you because you imagine it is done all ad hock?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15555854 - 12/22/11 10:18 AM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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Again, keep up. I explained
no... actually you havent explained shit, you've just made statements and
not explained anything behind why certain numbers are added, multiplied or
anything else, you've just made statements such as AA=11
an example
N is the 14th letter of the alphabet so you add 4+1 and this gives you 5;
1867---OK 1+8 =9 9+6+15 15+7=
why are 1 and 4 added here? but in this 1 and 5 are not added
11 November 1918 - on the 11th hour, World War I ended (11/11/18)
why is the 19 in the year omitted when only zeros are supposed to be
omitted because they arent numbers
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I haven't looked into the 'Irish' bombings as such, but obviously the 9/11 event and 7/7 were bombings meant to influence events in a global scale.
except that 7/7 didnt influence anything since policies had already been
changed in some western nations due to 9/11. maybe you should start
working your number magic on the whole list of terrorist attacks and
explain how they were all supposed to effect some new world order. BTW,
the list for the US alone goes back to the 1800s, are you aware that JP
Morgan would have been the very fist victim of a 'car bomb'. it was a
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15556008 - 12/22/11 10:59 AM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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Again, keep up. I explained
no... actually you havent explained shit, you've just made statements and
not explained anything behind why certain numbers are added, multiplied or
anything else, you've just made statements such as AA=11
an example
N is the 14th letter of the alphabet so you add 4+1 and this gives you 5;
1867---OK 1+8 =9 9+6+15 15+7=
why are 1 and 4 added here? but in this 1 and 5 are not added
Well I added up the number of the bill as you would calculate the whole number which comes to 22 which is 2x11
However when using numbers from the alphabet if they are two digit numbers you add them together.
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11 November 1918 - on the 11th hour, World War I ended (11/11/18)
why is the 19 in the year omitted when only zeros are supposed to be
omitted because they arent numbers
Cause it is? go and ask the evil shits who profited from millions and millions of maimed people, and the dead? You are trying to impose your 'educated number-reason onto the patterns instead of seeing them. A code does not HAVE to include all the sum does it? Can there not exist a code IN some information without it having to unclude all the information? WHY the 11th hour. Why? do you know? Give us some alternative evidence why they would choose an ELEVENTH hour? I mean you must admit it was a VERY BIG EVENT OBSERVED BY MILLIONS, right?
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except that 7/7 didnt influence anything since policies had already been
changed in some western nations due to 9/11. maybe you should start
working your number magic on the whole list of terrorist attacks and
explain how they were all supposed to effect some new world order. BTW,
the list for the US alone goes back to the 1800s, are you aware that JP
Morgan would have been the very fist victim of a 'car bomb'. it was a
carriage loaded with dynamite
of COURSE 7/7 influenced for god's sake!! Bliar's popularity was going down, he was up Bush's arse, and obviously it was thought that the UK needed bringing into the fear zone of 'war on terror', because there was a great protest against the war in Iraq. It was the worst 'terrorist' attack in UK, and JUST like America we were getting teror alerts, and all kinds of shit, so what are you talking about. Are you inventing history now? And I have already told you the incredible coincidences between 9/11 and 7/7 . Here, let me re- mind you again
Now I just know that like the codes, you look at these coincidences and deny them. That is your problem, not mine.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15565162 - 12/23/11 11:46 PM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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of COURSE 7/7 influenced for god's sake!! Bliar's popularity was going down, he was up Bush's arse, and obviously it was thought that the UK needed bringing into the fear zone of 'war on terror', because there was a great protest against the war in Iraq..
really now... are you sure youhave a clue what you're talking about because
everything you've stated is exactly the opposite of what's real,
blair's popularity was on an upswing and didnt start dropping until
after the bombings... his popularity was rising after the iraq invasion
how much more wrong can you be
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Well I added up the number of the bill as you would calculate the whole number which comes to 22 which is 2x11
no... it's 22, why is it suddenly multiplied while everything else is only added
all the coincidences arent even that and even if they are, that's all they are
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15565427 - 12/24/11 02:01 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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of COURSE 7/7 influenced for god's sake!! Bliar's popularity was going down, he was up Bush's arse, and obviously it was thought that the UK needed bringing into the fear zone of 'war on terror', because there was a great protest against the war in Iraq..
really now... are you sure youhave a clue what you're talking about because
everything you've stated is exactly the opposite of what's real,
blair's popularity was on an upswing and didnt start dropping until
after the bombings... his popularity was rising after the iraq invasion
how much more wrong can you be
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Well I added up the number of the bill as you would calculate the whole number which comes to 22 which is 2x11
no... it's 22, why is it suddenly multiplied while everything else is only added
all the coincidences arent even that and even if they are, that's all they are
It is quite easy to cherry-pick contradictory info. you can do it about any subject. It doesn't mean anything though if it is not meaningful. The most important thing is that link about the 'CO-INCIDENCES' between 9/11 and 7/7. And this is because they both served similar purposes---there are esoteric ones, and the 'mundane' (the esoteric will serve the other and vice versa). AFTER 7/7 JUST like in the US there qwere terror alerts, and the whole purpose was to justify the UKs role in furthering the US/Globalist 'war on terror'---but obviously you cant see this so will put some dodgy-goofy info that contradicts the bleedin-obvious of what i have shown you
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no... it's 22, why is it suddenly multiplied while everything else is only added
ohhh lordy lordey, is it not so that 22 is also 2x11---yes or no? So we can say 22 OR 2X11...riiight?
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all the coincidences arent even that and even if they are, that's all they are
As usual dude you are up to your follicles in de-nile.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15565466 - 12/24/11 02:18 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15565974 - 12/24/11 07:15 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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It is quite easy to cherry-pick contradictory info. you can do it about any subject. It doesn't mean anything though if it is not meaningful.
what's meaningful, the made up stuff that you're spewing or the facts that
have been presented? it's apparent that what you're saying isnt meaningful
since you cant even give us this formula for numerology that can be
applied to any and all events that are supposed to have changed the world
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The most important thing is that link about the 'CO-INCIDENCES' between 9/11 and 7/7. AFTER 7/7 JUST like in the US there qwere terror alerts, and the whole purpose was to justify the UKs role in furthering the US/Globalist 'war on terror'---but obviously you cant see this so will put some dodgy-goofy info that contradicts the bleedin-obvious of what i have shown you
you act as though this is something new, there were terror alerts on
london for decades because for more than 100 years there's been acts of
terrorism in london... I know this goes against what you're telling us but
as of yet you've produced no actual facts, such as the fact that every day
in the US there's some kind of preparedness exercise going on just as
there is in england, my but what a coincidence, with dozens of attempted
attack in london that the government would want to be prepared in that
eventuality that it happened again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London
care to work your number magic and show us how all of these were ushering in the NWO?
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no... it's 22, why is it suddenly multiplied while everything else is only added
ohhh lordy lordey, is it not so that 22 is also 2x11---yes or no? So we can say 22 OR 2X11...riiight?
nope because 22 is 22 otherwise it would be 2x11 but in this case it's 15+7
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all the coincidences arent even that and even if they are, that's all they are
As usual dude you are up to your follicles in de-nile.
and your still rambling on about some mythical math that you only know the
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15567373 - 12/24/11 01:28 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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I have been hearing about this bill The National Defence Authorization which apparently would give the U.S government and military the power to detain any American citizen and "others" and is "effectively declaring a global war on freedom"--see video below. So I just thought--JUST, about two mins ago--thought I would do a numerological check on the abbreivation of the NDAA and here it is people:
N is the 14th letter of the alphabet so you add 4+1 and this gives you 5;
D is the 4th letter, and A&A side by side gives the numbers 1&1. So all together we get this:
5+4=9 and AA left side by side gives you 11, hence altogether you see 911
EVEn if you suggested it is not fair to add the first two digits together and not the last 2, you still get ALSO that number these evil fucks seem to love 11. So you can see BOTH 9/11 and 11
I've heard you and others advocate numerology as a useful tool, usually in posts like this claiming some analysis reveals some hidden property of a piece of text.
What I'm not sure on is what the method actually is. Is there one? Without a particular method, it seems that instead you simply have arbitrary procedures being used that can produce any particular result given enough iterations- especially true when the desired output is something so simple as a three digit string.
Basically, it seems that this numerology business is just confirmation bias. If there was actually a set procedure being used than you could do proper scientific testing of the method and see if it conforms to whatever it is supposed to do (which also isn't clear).
As for the video: if there's any worthwhile argument in there, why don't you simply provide it? Conspiracy youtube videos don't have a track record of being useful.
I'm a computer programming student, and I think programming a "numerology engine" to find a way to derive any desired output from any block of input text would hilarious. Unfortunately that's way beyond the constraints anyone would ever exercise to design a piece of purely joke software, but it would be algorithmic-ally hilarious, and you'd be trolling all the people who thought the outcomes were actually indicative of anything.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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In your OP you say:
A = 1
And AA = 11
1+1 = 11
YOUR math, not mine.
No I meant 1 plus 1 together, not the sum of.
So....where are we?
"plus" is like, a verb for "sum" or "add"
like, forealz facts++
Okay, so, if you think rearranging and cherry picking numerical data and operating on it however you please is in any way significant in results, I could see some hilarity in forming anagrams with your posts and spitting them back to you, but I simply haven't the time to make a fool of another numerology nut.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: blujay]
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In your OP you say:
A = 1
And AA = 11
1+1 = 11
YOUR math, not mine.
No I meant 1 plus 1 together, not the sum of.
So....where are we?
"plus" is like, a verb for "sum" or "add"
like, forealz facts++
Okay, so, if you think rearranging and cherry picking numerical data and operating on it however you please is in any way significant in results, I could see some hilarity in forming anagrams with your posts and spitting them back to you, but I simply haven't the time to make a fool of another numerology nut.
alright question: say yyou want to communicate to someone that A is the first letterof the alphabet. Correct? And therefore you want to then communicate that AA are to be understood as two ones side by side and not added up to make 2. How would you communicate this?
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In your OP you say:
A = 1
And AA = 11
1+1 = 11
YOUR math, not mine.
No I meant 1 plus 1 together, not the sum of.
So....where are we?
"plus" is like, a verb for "sum" or "add"
like, forealz facts++
Okay, so, if you think rearranging and cherry picking numerical data and operating on it however you please is in any way significant in results, I could see some hilarity in forming anagrams with your posts and spitting them back to you, but I simply haven't the time to make a fool of another numerology nut.
ARE you aware that occultists admit to the reality of numerology in occultist writings etc, and to using numerology? yes or no?
ALSO another question: do you believe in the official conspiracy theories of 9/11, and 7/7? Yes or no?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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what's meaningful, the made up stuff that you're spewing or the facts that
have been presented? it's apparent that what you're saying isnt meaningful
since you cant even give us this formula for numerology that can be
applied to any and all events that are supposed to have changed the world
Your attempting to over-complicate things, and this is complicated enough already. We are not talking about the Irish bombings---that will belong to a thread called eg,'connection between the Troubles and 9/11' etc. I am talking about the POST 9/11 world which includes 7/7 as being part OF the continuing so-called 'war on terror'
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you act as though this is something new, there were terror alerts on
london for decades because for more than 100 years there's been acts of
terrorism in london... I know this goes against what you're telling us but
as of yet you've produced no actual facts, such as the fact that every day
in the US there's some kind of preparedness exercise going on just as
there is in england, my but what a coincidence, with dozens of attempted
attack in london that the government would want to be prepared in that
eventuality that it happened again
Again your bringing in pre-stuff that has no bearing on this ALREADY very complicated subject right now. We already have enough complexity to deal with with the 9/11 event, never mind even including 7/7. But the reason I do is because of the so-called co-incidences between those two events, and they were/are both being used as excuses to invade other peoples lands, commit genocide and ecocide, take more and more liberties away from people because of a supposed 'war on terror'. See?
I am sure some intelligent people have said 'there are no coincidences...? Especially with events such as this, and especially so MANY>>>! Yet, people such as you who are often the poo pooers of 'woo woo' SUDDENLY accept this utter insane presentation of reality by officialdom. You swallow it hook line and sinker! it is quite amazing to witness...But I do not. I smelled a rat pretty quickly, and so when I started noticing the number patterns etc, I didn't just brush it away like your doing--and trying to fit it in your proscribed logic-grid. Maybe the doings of 'magick' dont work like you expect--if that is what they are doing. you DO know that Queen Elizabeth 1 had an occultist, John Dee, as her right hand man...right? hint hint!! Do you get me?
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care to work your number magic and show us how all of these were ushering in the NWO?
no... it's 22, why is it suddenly multiplied while everything else is only added
For a start it is not "my" number magic. I have learnt this from look at other studies of it and have noticed patterns.
Now you go running to wikipedia, yet put-down videos...? LOL. OK, I sometimes use it to, but it is not end of line in correct info, so you have to checkit critically. For example when you slick on the link about the London Bombings you find the disinfo that the explosion "were caused by home made bombs". Well errr not so. The FIRST accounts from people who know about bombs were that they were military-made---but as the offical story progressed this info was quickly dropped. Now does that article mention that important information?
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nope because 22 is 22 otherwise it would be 2x11 but in this case it's 15 7
we are talkin TIMES---if I DIVIDE 22 by 2 what do i get then? Why can you not accept this, lol
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and your still rambling on about some mythical math that you only know the
formula for... care to share it so we can all see the proof that this is real?
siiiigh, it is NOT only me that knows about it! the proof is there for those who have the eyes and comprehension to see.
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And yet, said proof will not be provided by you.
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And yet, said proof will not be provided by you.
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Mathematical proof, a convincing demonstration that some mathematical statement is necessarily true [From Wikipedia]
is it a mathematical proof that 22 can be presented as 2x11?
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ARE you aware that occultists admit to the reality of numerology in occultist writings etc, and to using numerology? yes or no?
are you aware that occultists are attention whoring nutbags?
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ALSO another question: do you believe in the official conspiracy theories of 9/11, and 7/7? Yes or no?
you've not proven it to be a conspiracy anywhere but in your own head
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are you aware that occultists are attention whoring nutbags?
That doesn't answer my question but evades it.
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you've not proven it to be a conspiracy anywhere but in your own head
Ohhh hum. See you evade. you forget. you deny. you dont understand. it is hard to reason with someone like that
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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so you're saying that I'm doing exactly what you do, evading... imagine that
you plan on coughing up that magical equation for numerology anytime soon?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Ohhh hum. See you evade. you forget. you deny. you dont understand. it is hard to reason with someone like that
I'm going to start from the top here. This keeps getting bogged down in irrelevancies.
You claim that there is significance in numbers associated with events, beyond what is widely accepted.
You have been asked repeatedly to lay out the methods you use to analyze these numbers in a systematic way, a set of rules you apply to each situation.
In response to these queries, you have only provided additional analysis of selected events.
If such a set of rules does not exist or the rules are applied inconsistently, then what is the use of this system aside from letting the user feel special for being "in on the secret"?
I see that some attempts have been made to elicit analysis from you on situations you haven't already formed an opinion on, but that hasn't gone anywhere either.
I see the following process, from your perspective:
1) I believe something other than the widely accepted narrative occurred on 9/11
2) I am going to examine numbers associated with 9/11
3) I find that these numbers indicate something other than the widely accepted narrative occurred on 9/11
What good is numerology if it only allows you to confirm what you already believe about these events?
If there is such a code, couldn't you be predicting their future use in a testable way?
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First of all, I am not trying to predict, as though doing so would change anything radically. I don't doubt some researcher are, and claim to have done. There is a fairly well-known researcher into all of this called Freeman from the Freeman Perspective who claims he predicted the 9/11 event, and had previously told friends. I have no evidence for that claim but his word.
I dont see a radical approach in predicting numbers, but rather exploring the mythological and philosophical roots of where this is all coming from. Not only the more 'mundane' events, and 'coincidences' etc but the more hidden'occult' aspects. Do these codes have to make 'sense' to me...? Do these PEOPLE and their codes worldview make 'sense' to me? No, they are utterly insane, but obviously there is method in their insanity. They are complete control freaks and I sense that this number magic, which is connected also with their astrological perspective, is all about trying to control to the nth degree so as to keep their hierarchical power structures maintained and increase it as they destroy life.
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First of all, I am not trying to predict, as though doing so would change anything radically
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I dont see a radical approach in predicting numbers, but rather exploring the mythological and philosophical roots of where this is all coming from.
We're done here. We've been having two different kinds of discussion altogether.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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what I do is become savvy to patterns. That is what intelligence does. And then I share these patterns. Simple as that. And this adds to intelligence about what may be going on. What I DONT do is poo poo it. deny it, evade it, and not look.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Prsident Obama signed the NDAA into power on 31st December 2011 the sly fascist puppet!!
so this is right off the bat--well i just quickly worked it out on piece of paper before editing this post:
31st December 2011 is 31122011 --all digits addes up gives:
3+1+1+2+2+0+1+1 = 11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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why is it suddenly 31/12/2011 when in other versions you've posted the first 2 digits of the year were excluded?
see why we need the rules for this retarded crap, because they are applied inconsistently
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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In order to know a rules of a game you first need to see patterns, and then you may be further to discovering the rules rather than just stopping looking because the rules dont make sense to you. Understand?
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I see a pattern...
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I see a pattern...
No, you don't, your just trying to be clever, and in the process not really taking this important subject seriously---so you obviously won't learn anything.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Actually, I do see a pattern.
You will use whatever math you can in order to get to 11.
The pattern is well established.
Nothing clever at all.
Just a pattern.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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In order to know a rules of a game you first need to see patterns
bullshit, in order to see the patters you have to know the rules, regardless,
you claim to see the patters so you can explain the rules
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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numerology has to be applied to whatever you're doing with a reason, to be interpreted; but only by the person who knows "THE NUMEROLOGY". otherwise it's all noise, regardless, unless you can somehow know the meaning that the specific numbers have to the specific depiction, it would be unfathomable, and rather pointless.
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So... people have been asking for someone to explain numerology in this, and countless other threads in this forum.
Without explanation, WTF do you think people are going to think?
This guy with a lot of Z's in his username is the Jesus of numerology?
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So... people have been asking for someone to explain numerology in this, and countless other threads in this forum.
Without explanation, WTF do you think people are going to think?
This guy with a lot of Z's in his username is the Jesus of numerology?
LOL where have I ever said that?? That I am the 'Jesus of numerology'?  I dont even believe in Jesus.
The irony about your assumption is this--i was utter crap at math at school--maybe because the school didn't know how to teach it good, and also I have never been attracted to it, and YET I am seeing these patterns and people like you who i bet are more mathematically-inclined cannot or wont. Now THAT is hillarious to me.
I seriously am confused how you cannot see them. For a start, the very WTC towers form an 11. No? Please use your imagination! They RESEMBLE the numerological figure 11.
Involved IN one of the biggest events in American history, and which has affected the whole world was a flight 11 which was first plane reported to hit the north tower.
'New York City' is, ELEVEN LETTERS.
it happened on 9/11
Now also, if I am to take all the digits of that date what do we get? 11th of the 9th month 2001 gives 11921. What is the way to make these digits a whole number that is a multiple of 11s --add 9+2=11 and then we have 1111. Now you may not believe this but it is true. I have never worked that out before and just found it. For me the fact that date is world-wide known as 9/11 shows the 11 being involved in the event
The WTC took 11 years to build.
New York was the 11th State in the Union;
Both towers have 110 stories, and you know what they do with zeros right? They dont include them so you got two 11s there, right?
9/11 happened on the 254th day of the year which equals....? 11!
Building 7 which 'fell' had 47 stories which adds up to....? 11!
Now, the excuse OF 9/11 was to 'retaliate' and attack Afghanistan. Guess how many letters that name has...just count before you read on...11, right?
Afghanistan is attacked on 10/7/2001. Now let us get rid of the zeros, and we are left with 1721, and when we add them up guess what? we get number 11.
Remember the other building hit on 9/11? the T H E P E N T A G O N. yeah another 11.
Where's that other plane 'crash'? Shanksville? how many letters it got...? 11?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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but the pentagon has only 7 floors and the mailing address is listed
only as Pentagon, not The Pentagon
WTC 7 is named the solomon building
how does this fit into your numerology
and lastly, why dont you explain the rules, for instance why havent the
letters of the names of the places and locations and building been converted
to numbers and added together in order to equal eleven?
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Wow. I don't think you need point out you were bad at math in school if you think zeros can just be left out of addition at your convenience. I'm glad your not my bank manager .. You don't need all these zeros in your balance buddy lets just get rid of them...
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Wow. I don't think you need point out you were bad at math in school if you think zeros can just be left out of addition at your convenience. I'm glad your not my bank manager .. You don't need all these zeros in your balance buddy lets just get rid of them...
While I don't have a deep knowledge about numerology, even I can say this is quite off the point. Leaving out zero's in numerology has nothing to do with equations in math or making up a balance. That's like saying you have to cut someone in half if you want to divide a group of 11 persons in half, just because you can't ever deter from pure math. Numerology has it's set of rules, and basically it's just adding individual numbers up. And I bet you know that in any summation you can just leave individual zero's out.
Now for the people that were always asking "how does numerology work", i googled it for you (was that so hard?)
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Numerology works on adding numbers together to find the Key Number(s). The objective is to find the double digit Compound number, and then from that, the Single digit key number.
For example, 27 is a Compound number. To find its Single Key Number, add 2 + 7 = Single Key Number 9. Then you look up these numbers in the definitions to find out their meanings.
Another example, number 68. In this case 68 is not the Compound number because it can be reduced further to Compound number 14 (6 + 8). So the Compound number is the last double digit number that a number can be reduced to before it becomes a single digit Key Number. In this example, the Key Number = 5 (1 + 4).
Now the IMPORTANT rules...
The double or Compound number 11 and 22 are called Master Numbers. This means that when being added to another number, they may not be reduced - that is, the number 11 may not be added together or reduced to the number 2, likewise the number 22 may not be added together or reduced to the number 4. These two Master Numbers must always be added to other numbers in the numerology process as 11 or 22. Only when the TOTAL of the calculation is 11 or 22 may these numbers be reduced to 2 or 4.
-http://30geons.blogspot.com/2011/01/important-rules-of-numerological.html
I don't believe in numerology and it's appliances but at least I can say i've looked into it without prejudices
That being said zzripz method doesn't follow this set of rules, I thinks he kinda makes up his own as it fits. So yeah, I don't find that credible at all, but hearing him talk about it shows me a different perspective on the world, which fascinates me, and I don't condemn that view...
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"Numerology is any study of the purported divine, mystical or other special relationship between a count or measurement and life. It has many systems and traditions and beliefs. Numerology and numerological divination by systems such as isopsephy were popular among early mathematicians, such as Pythagoras, but are no longer considered part of mathematics and are regarded as pseudomathematics by modern scientists.[1][2]
Today, numerology is often associated with the paranormal, alongside astrology and similar divinatory arts. [3]"
Guess what I was trying to say is that numerology is a child's game or a religion it requires belief to have meaning. Seemed on topic to me. Or maybe im just being a dick. Im married to a chemical engineer , she's basically an overpaid calculator operator . I asked what numerology meant to her and her job, she laughed at me and said "nothing at all, its bullshit".....
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That being said zzripz method doesn't follow this set of rules, I thinks he kinda makes up his own as it fits.
I havwe been quite open in this thread of how I have worked out the letters etc. So please demonstrate how YOU would work out the abbrevation NDAA
Also whose rules are you talking about? That little blog....?
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but the pentagon has only 7 floors and the mailing address is listed
only as Pentagon, not The Pentagon
It is commonly known as THE Pentagon. Noone says just 'Pentagon' do they? it is always prefaced with 'the'. Google it and you get your fave info site wikipedia say 'The Pentagon'. And it has 11 letters. But the calulation of the letters of just 'Penatagon' comes to...? 38, and add 3 8....? Guess? 11
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WTC 7 is named the solomon building
how does this fit into your numerology
Well 'they' dont just use numerology but other symbolism as well. So to understand the meaning of why they would call building 7 the Solomon building you need to watch and study the video link below. Here is some of the transcript regarding the possible reasons for the naming of Building 7 the 'Solomon' building:
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Indeed there are some striking resemblances between Saturn above and the WTC below.
According to the NASA website Saturn’s rings are made up of 7 parts, and remarkably the WTC has 7 buildings.
The occult symbol for Saturn seen here (4:58) from the Freemasonic Scottish Rite depiction is the Seal of Solomon , and the 7th building of the WTC building was the “Salomon building”.
Minoru Yamasaki, designer of the WTC complex to aesthetically mirror the Islamic temple at Mecca where the black stone of the Ka’bah is placed. Many historians believe that the Ka’bah itself is a pagan representation of the planet Saturn.
Did the Illuminati design and build the WTC complex to hermetically mirror the symbolism of Saturn: Saturn (7 rings; Seal of Solomon; Kabaa at Mecca; In mid Gemini [see the symbol for Gemini which looks like twin towers) in 1973;
In mid Gemini on 9/11)
WTC Complex: (7 buildings; Salomon Tower 7th; based on Kabaa site; opened in 1973; Destroyed on 9/11) . Are these 5 links between the two entities coincidence, astrological synchronicity, or something else entirely?
In occult lore, Saturn is known as the “Gateway to the Gods”, and the “Dweller on the Threshhold” giving us the idea of Saturn symbolizing an entrance to somewhere or something—but where? Here is (see picture of Masonic initiation 6:15) is a freemasonic ritual of someone at the entrance to somewhere with two pillars either side and the Seal of Solomon above. Does the entrance lead to a symbolic temple of Solomon with the two pillars of Boaz and Jachin being ritualistically embodied as the Twin towers?
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and lastly, why dont you explain the rules, for instance why havent the
letters of the names of the places and locations and building been converted
to numbers and added together in order to equal eleven?
Have you no experience of exploring things from a kind of skeptical poisition in the real meaning of the term, or an agnostic one? This means that you are exploring and learning AS you explore. You dont start OFF with a conclusion. It seems to me your style is to rubbish it and STOP looking because --well you are seeming obsessed on 'rules' at the moment. WHOSE rules? This IS weird shit, so I dont know what you mean by rules? I am guessing the rules of 'logic'--tell me whose 'rules' you mean?
For instance you asked about The Pentagon, and asked why it has 7 floors? You immediately seem to assume i KNOW why it has. But I am looking at patterns, so my way would be to wonder hmmmm. Then I discover about the 7 symbolism I am showing you. So, could it be THAT is a reason for the 7 floors of the Pentagon. Why building 7?
The very word 'pentagon' I discovered after your question about the postal address only being Pentagon--i find it adds to 11, and we know THE pentagon--the letters are 11 in number. So see--I am seeing patterns. Do you think the BUILDERS were aware of these patterns too?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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That being said zzripz method doesn't follow this set of rules, I thinks he kinda makes up his own as it fits.
I havwe been quite open in this thread of how I have worked out the letters etc. So please demonstrate how YOU would work out the abbrevation NDAA
Also whose rules are you talking about? That little blog....?
First i'd like to say, yes it's just a little blog, but i've read a bit about numerology and am aware of it's basic principles. That blog was one of the first results on google explaining the 'rules' in a very short way. Anyhow; these rules are consistent among numerous sites about numerology so I guess they should be used to have a consistent way to calculate the base number.
Using common numerology techniques, when you have alphabetical characters you should use the Chaldean-Hebrew Kabala Numerical Alphabet.
So NDAA would be (5+4+1+1) = 11
Eleven is a master number so we don't add those up. Voilà
I'm just saying that from my point of view, the methods you apply aren't really consistent. Like using the year of a date abbreviated or not: The way I see it you can't use both, you have to have a consistent way to calculate these numbers otherwise you can get a lot of results from one date.
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has it not occured to you that BOTh the way I calulated NDAA and the way you have are saying the same thang...??
I take it you are following this thread, right?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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I guess you havent figured out yet that every number has some meaning in numerology
still havent worked out all those other terrorist attacks yet have you, not a
one I bet, could it be because none fit the pattern you want to see
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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lol what you say makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Here is something I have JUST discovered. The Hebrew alphabet is also numbered, so you have this:
NDAA: Nun(Hebrew)=50; Daled =4; Aleph = 1
So, getting rid of the zeros we get 5+4=911. YES, 9/11!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
Here is something I have JUST discovered. The Hebrew alphabet is also numbered, so you have this:
NDAA: Nun(Hebrew)=50; Daled =4; Aleph = 1
So, getting rid of the zeros we get 5+4=911. YES, 9/11!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria
That's what i'm talking about, why are you using another alphabet? Numerology has unchangeable corresponding numbers to each letter. Also, you should add 9 and 11 because you haven't reached your base number yet.
If I want to calculate my birthday's numerology meaning, I can't use any alphabet i like, or choose which numbers I add up or don't. There are rules for calculating this and if you don't use them you can't call it numerology...
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oh man your worse than the absolute 'sceptics'---go back to sleep
9/11 9+1+1=....? yeah, 11! IF this shit booted ya in the face you wouldn't see it.
Some say--like synchromystical types that these numbers are seen in the universe too. But we have to remember that the patriarchy imposed its version of time and number ON the universe and its motions etc, so it makes sense that their 'magick' ("as above so below") is being made to correspond to that power move, so as to maintain their megalomaniacal control!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15626191 - 01/06/12 03:23 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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but then you still havent added the 1 and 1 to come up with the actual number of 2
using your method we ass the 11 and 9 and come up with 20, disregard the 0 and you;re back at 2
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15628843 - 01/07/12 04:17 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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but then you still havent added the 1 and 1 to come up with the actual number of 2
using your method we ass the 11 and 9 and come up with 20, disregard the 0 and you;re back at 2
Look lets go slow 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
Even if I were to do it like this 9 + (1+1=2) 2= 11. it still comes to 11 doesn't it
Do a sum like I am doing to show me what you mean. OR are you talking about NDAA = 9/11 and you wonder why I dont add the 1 and 1? Well EITHER way you can get either 9/11 or 11. BOTHresults pointing to the occultist code-makers.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15629220 - 01/07/12 08:32 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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let's dont slow it down, let's give us the formula for numerology problems
such as this because I see some things get added together in order to come up
with the sum you're seeking but then others do not and others still are
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15629260 - 01/07/12 08:45 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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oh man your worse than the absolute 'sceptics'---go back to sleep
9/11 9+1+1=....? yeah, 11! IF this shit booted ya in the face you wouldn't see it.
zzripz, stop making insulting personal refrences to other community members.
Debate the topic and leave your thoughts about fellow posters out of your posts (or go to OTD).
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Here is something I have JUST discovered. The Hebrew alphabet is also numbered, so you have this:
NDAA: Nun(Hebrew)=50; Daled =4; Aleph = 1
So, getting rid of the zeros we get 5+4=911. YES, 9/11!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria
Why are you 'ignoring" the '0'? You still have not explained the procedure used to derive the hidden meaning- how many times do you need to be asked? Are you or are you not making this up as you go along? If its not just an ad hoc manipulation, provide the method.
Your several posts use inconsistant methods. Are two digit numbers treated as the sum of their constituent digits or as the number itself? When do you add the numbers and when do you throw out particular values? How does 5+4+1+1 equal 911? Doesn't it equal 11?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15629726 - 01/07/12 10:58 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Why are you 'ignoring" the '0'? You still have not explained the procedure used to derive the hidden meaning- how many times do you need to be asked? Are you or are you not making this up as you go along? If its not just an ad hoc manipulation, provide the method.
Your several posts use inconsistant methods. Are two digit numbers treated as the sum of their constituent digits or as the number itself? When do you add the numbers and when do you throw out particular values? How does 5+4+1+1 equal 911? Doesn't it equal 11?
Do you not find it interesting that BOTH the 'non Hebewic' numerology AND the calculating of the Hebrew alphabet for 'NDAA' BOTH bring the same, 9/11? Obviously not.
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How does 5+4+1+1 equal 911? Doesn't it equal 11?
HAVE you been following the thread?
IF you have you will/should know that over and over we have said that 11 features PROMINENTLY in this code. again and again and again. We talked about the Twin towers resembling the number 11. We talked about New York City having 11 letters. we talked about the floors of the WTs being 110, and that you LEAVE out zeros and that leaves 11. So for you to ask why does one calculation of NDAA give 9/11 and another give 11 is ironic, because BOTH calculation are pointing to the same thing! Yes? Got it?
So NDAA can be calculated as 5+4=9 and leaving AA as two ones by each side so forming 11, hence 911, 9/11 OR 5+4=9 and counting the 1&1 as 2 which will give 11 OR adding 9/11 together as 9+1+1 = 11
which ever way we are getting either 9/11 or 11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15631307 - 01/07/12 05:16 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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why cant you answer the question regarding this formula?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15631682 - 01/07/12 06:44 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Pris can never prove anyone wrong, just attempts to make them look dumb and uncredible.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: RED7.62] 1
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And you have yet to prove anything on this forum...
You just state 'Facts' without evidence.
PROVE me wrong.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15632491 - 01/07/12 09:12 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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9 + 11 = 20. 
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: RED7.62]
#15632927 - 01/07/12 11:07 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Pris can never prove anyone wrong, just attempts to make them look dumb and uncredible.
you actually have to say something for it to be proven wrong
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15633287 - 01/08/12 12:53 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Why are you 'ignoring" the '0'? You still have not explained the procedure used to derive the hidden meaning- how many times do you need to be asked? Are you or are you not making this up as you go along? If its not just an ad hoc manipulation, provide the method.
Your several posts use inconsistant methods. Are two digit numbers treated as the sum of their constituent digits or as the number itself? When do you add the numbers and when do you throw out particular values? How does 5+4+1+1 equal 911? Doesn't it equal 11?
Do you not find it interesting that BOTH the 'non Hebewic' numerology AND the calculating of the Hebrew alphabet for 'NDAA' BOTH bring the same, 9/11? Obviously not.
You answered none of the questions I raised, nor have you produced any semblance of the procedure by which you derive these 'secret meanings' from apparently normal text. I don't feel it worthwhile to answer your question unless you at least make some cursory attempt to participate in this conversation- such as by answering the questions asked about your claims.
What a joke- you can't even explain how the secret meanings are produced, let alone establish there's any signifigance to them. What is genuinely puzzling is how it could be expected that such silliness would convince anyone when you can't even identify the method used- let alone establish that its of any statistical signifgance or importance.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15633374 - 01/08/12 01:39 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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And you have yet to prove anything on this forum...
You just state 'Facts' without evidence.
PROVE me wrong.
Like I said what the fuck do you want? Want me to pull data sheets by the whitehouse out of my ass saying exactly what im saying?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: RED7.62]
#15633381 - 01/08/12 01:46 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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RED7.62 said:
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Cervantes said:
And you have yet to prove anything on this forum...
You just state 'Facts' without evidence.
PROVE me wrong.
Like I said what the fuck do you want? Want me to pull data sheets by the whitehouse out of my ass saying exactly what im saying?
where would you have gotten the information if not from your ass
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: RED7.62] 1
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RED7.62 said:
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Cervantes said:
And you have yet to prove anything on this forum...
You just state 'Facts' without evidence.
PROVE me wrong.
Like I said what the fuck do you want? Want me to pull data sheets by the whitehouse out of my ass saying exactly what im saying?
I don't want much from you.
Clearly, you struggle with the subtle differences between facts and opinion.
How could I possibly expect that to change over a single night?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes] 1
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It is rather alot like a religion, when certain observations fit the bill and may be held significant they are held dearly, but anything that doesn't is passed off as ambiguous and unimportant. No one is going to win here. I think we can all agree on that.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: snoot]
#15643601 - 01/10/12 01:22 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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I am not trying to 'win'. I am looking at patterns and genuinely being interested, and openly exploring, and not trying to deny what is before my eyes with silly defensive arguments.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15643829 - 01/10/12 03:59 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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it's easy to find patterns when there's no rules set into place
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15644040 - 01/10/12 06:38 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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You and the 'rules'...The patterns imply rules. They might not be the rules YOUR used to but things are being shown that need showing. How so that BOTH the 'english alphabet' AND the Hebrew alphabet numberings can calculate NDAA as 9/11?
Someone said --so WHY do you get rid of the zeros in the Hebrew numbers? Well for one, as yet I haven't calulated the numbers leaving the zeros in, but going by the RULE of leaving the zeros out of ---- for example the number of floors in the WTC buildings, which gives us 11, so it makes sense to do the same with the Hebrew alphabet zeros. ESPECIALLY when there is very good strong evidence of Israeli involvement in the 9/11 attacks!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15644742 - 01/10/12 11:06 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Who cares about numbers. It's useless speculation. We have a another bill in U.S. that is taking more power away from people. That seems to be real issue here.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Psiiko]
#15644792 - 01/10/12 11:23 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Who cares about numbers. It's useless speculation. We have a another bill in U.S. that is taking more power away from people. That seems to be real issue here.
Have you ever heard of CLUES...per chance? Would any good detective say that looking at codes which can detect who is REALLY behind a crime and its aftermath is "useless speculation"?
Well guess what, that is what I am looking for--clues!
Now we have to keep a broad approach. For example some researchers into 9/11 who do not believe the official theory that is portrayed here:
may either not be familiar with the occultism clues, which include numerology, or even dis,iss them, or warn that talking about this could 'harm the 9/11 movement'. But surely ALL clues must be looked at. That is what I do. And then you are exploring a much larger pattern. A bigger picture.
When Obama (rhymes with Osama) signed the NDAA it was New years Eve. Devious huh? Do you think the event of 9/11 helped this to come about also...? Damn RIGHT it did! WHO then are the real criminals behind 9/11 is what is needing to be explored at, and all clues must be looked at.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15646985 - 01/10/12 07:01 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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I tend to agree that we should focus more on the content of the bill, this bill is horrendous and it may be interesting to see the patterns that they may be incorporating into the verbiage they use the real focus should be on the Constitutional rights that are stripped with this bill, with the content of the bill.
I really can't believe that they passed another bill that fucks over the population in a bigger way than the Patriot Acts did.
When will the people say enough, and get rid of the bastards in Washington that obviously aren't concerned with the oath they took to protect and defend the Constitution. This is a betrayal of the people, to me this is literally treason!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15647396 - 01/10/12 08:40 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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You and the 'rules'...The patterns imply rules. They might not be the rules YOUR used to but things are being shown that need showing.
I see, so the rules are so flexible that the really mean nothing
firm rules are important to these kinds of things
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ESPECIALLY when there is very good strong evidence of Israeli involvement in the 9/11 attacks!
and where exactly is that proof, applying the #1 to a first letter in an alphabet?
that's not proof of anything
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Have you ever heard of CLUES...per chance? .
lol.. what clues, so far your numerology hasnt shown clues for anything because you on;y apply it where it can fit
where's the response to my earlier challenge of applying it to previous
event like 1993 WTC attack by al Qaeda
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15648973 - 01/11/12 06:31 AM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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your just using that term 'rules' to obfuscate what is being shown. what do you mean when you say rules. 2+2=4 or 1+1+1+1=3 or 3+1=4. That is the rule isn't it. What are the odds that calculating NDAA would give 9/11? follow me again. the RULE is that we are numbering the alphabet, and that when we find a two digit number we add it, so using these rules we go: N is the 14th letter, so we go 1+4=5 and D is the 4th letter so we dont have to add it, and on this sum-up I am leaving the AA as two ones side by side which gives 11.; So put it all together and what you got? 911, or 9/11. You could even use your imagination to get into the heads of the people who make these rules to think of the foreward slash as a division between the added numbers and the two letters AA that have not been added because they reveal their power number 11. this is a very special number of theirs I have mentioned about in this thread.
So can we sum up NDAA any OTHER way? I showed we can:
N=14= and D=4 and A=1 and A=1. so let us take every separate number 1+4+4+1+1 = 11; now let us add the i&4 and add THAT number with the others:
5+4+1+1=11.
So SEE, using the RULES of mathematics we can either get the sum of 911 or 11. BOTH 9/11 and 11 point to 9/11!
So then I thought I would look at the Hebrew alphabet, because the letters are numbered also. So let's look again.
I am taking numbered Hebrew alphabet from here http://www.apocalypse2008-2015.com/hebrewmystery.html
So NDAA, Nun=50 Daleth=4 Aleph=1 Aleph=1
SO, if I add these up as so 50+4+1+1=56 if you then add 5+6 you get 11
If you drop the zero you get 5+4+1+1=11 and you can also leave Aleph and Aleph side by side giving the 11, so you get with the preceeding number 9/11
looky here http://www.spiritlink.com/kinds.html about different kinds of numerology, BOTH the Chaldean and Pythagorean give the same sum for NDAA--ie., either 9/11 or 11
EVEN if you dispute the 9/11 sum (which I of course very much do NOT) you still notice in all these sums the prominence of the number 11.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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NDAA
14+4+1+1=20
Those insidious bastards are using the number 20 for something evil!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: WakeboardrB]
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NDAA
14+4+1+1=20
Those insidious bastards are using the number 20 for something evil!
get rid of zero=2=(1+1) there's that 11 again!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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your just using that term 'rules' to obfuscate what is being shown.
no, rules apply to everything
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what do you mean when you say rules. 2+2=4 or 1+1+1+1=3 or 3+1=4.
So NDAA, Nun=50 Daleth=4 Aleph=1 Aleph=1
SO, if I add these up as so 50+4+1+1=56 if you then add 5+6 you get 11
If you drop the zero you get 5+4+1+1=11 and you can also leave Aleph and Aleph side by side giving the 11, so you get with the preceeding number 9/11
now see how your rule changes
add 50+4 and then it's a drop the zero
you came up with a total of 56 in one and then added them to get your final total yet you didnt add the 1's in the other
it's all about bending the rules to suit your desires
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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NDAA
14+4+1+1=20
Those insidious bastards are using the number 20 for something evil!
get rid of zero=2=(1+1) there's that 11 again!
so 14+4=18 and 1+1=2, 182?
See, I can make up any rules I want too as well.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: WakeboardrB]
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NDAA
14+4+1+1=20
Those insidious bastards are using the number 20 for something evil!
get rid of zero=2=(1+1) there's that 11 again!
so 14+4=18 and 1+1=2, 182?
See, I can make up any rules I want too as well.
182? hmmm 1+8+2= 
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15649949 - 01/11/12 11:36 AM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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your just using that term 'rules' to obfuscate what is being shown.
no, rules apply to everything
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what do you mean when you say rules. 2+2=4 or 1+1+1+1=3 or 3+1=4.
So NDAA, Nun=50 Daleth=4 Aleph=1 Aleph=1
SO, if I add these up as so 50+4+1+1=56 if you then add 5+6 you get 11
If you drop the zero you get 5+4+1+1=11 and you can also leave Aleph and Aleph side by side giving the 11, so you get with the preceeding number 9/11
now see how your rule changes
add 50+4 and then it's a drop the zero
you came up with a total of 56 in one and then added them to get your final total yet you didnt add the 1's in the other
it's all about bending the rules to suit your desires
yes you drop the zeros. your learning! But yopu wonder IF I dropped zero from 50 why then did i ADD 56, ie 5+6? is this what you mean? because 6 is not a zero so I dont drop it. If it was a zero i wouldn't count it cause 5+0= 5
I have already explained more than once why I haven 't added the 1s together in some of the sums, ie., the NDAA where A=1. Because 11 is a power number, and as I am showing is very prominent in their "magic operations" etc. So this is why NDAA can EITHER be presented as 9/11 (and you know what THAT means?) or very 11.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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yes you drop the zeros. your learning! But yopu wonder IF I dropped zero from 50 why then did i ADD 56, ie 5+6? is this what you mean? because 6 is not a zero so I dont drop it. If it was a zero i wouldn't count it cause 5+0= 5
but you didnt with this statement, the rules are like silly putty
"SO, if I add these up as so 50+4+1+1=56 if you then add 5+6 you get 11"
the whole hebrew thing doesnt even apply because nun=50 but it doenst = N
so it's another of those flexible rules, if not then show us how it works
in arabic and russian
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I have already explained more than once why I haven 't added the 1s together in some of the sums, ie., the NDAA where A=1. Because 11 is a power number,
I see, so N=14 which gets added, D=4, no need to add, yet the sum of 14
and 4 are added but 1 and 1 arent... bendy rules strike again
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15653540 - 01/12/12 01:18 AM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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but you didnt with this statement, the rules are like silly putty
"SO, if I add these up as so 50+4+1+1=56 if you then add 5+6 you get 11"
O originally instinctively did drop the zeros, but some wondered why I did so i though I would try to add with the zero, ie., '50', and guess what? EITHER way, adding the zero or not, in this instance the number we get for both is 11--THAT is the rule
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the whole hebrew thing doesnt even apply because nun=50 but it doenst = N
so it's another of those flexible rules, if not then show us how it works
in arabic and russian
I didn't know you knew Hebrew. I admit I don't. So tell us then, what is NDAA--what are those letters in Hebrew? Is Aleph not A?
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I see, so N=14 which gets added, D=4, no need to add, yet the sum of 14
and 4 are added but 1 and 1 arent... bendy rules strike again
lol why cant you dig this...? NDAA CAN be summed up either as 9/11 --which would be where AA is left as two 0nes side by side, or as 11 when all numbers are added up. Your reservations are superfluous.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15653876 - 01/12/12 04:52 AM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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where's the response to my earlier challenge of applying it to previous
event like 1993 WTC attack by al Qaeda
Ramzi Yousef or Ramzi Yousef, the terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993 has 11 letters in his name! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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but you didnt with this statement, the rules are like silly putty
"SO, if I add these up as so 50+4+1+1=56 if you then add 5+6 you get 11"
O originally instinctively did drop the zeros, but some wondered why I did so i though I would try to add with the zero, ie., '50', and guess what? EITHER way, adding the zero or not, in this instance the number we get for both is 11--THAT is the rule
but 5+4 and 50+4 brings you different sums so then you change the rules again
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I didn't know you knew Hebrew. I admit I don't. So tell us then, what is NDAA--what are those letters in Hebrew? Is Aleph not A?
whether aleph now translates to A means nothing as to whether nun is N
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lol why cant you dig this...? NDAA CAN be summed up either as 9/11 --which would be where AA is left as two 0nes side by side, or as 11 when all numbers are added up. Your reservations are superfluous.
because your rules are too maleable
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15654961 - 01/12/12 11:21 AM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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but 5+4 and 50+4 brings you different sums so then you change the rules again
5+4 = 9 50+4 = 54. now watch: 5+4 = 9
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whether aleph now translates to A means nothing as to whether nun is N
All I know is that the letters at beginning of the words match the abbreviated letters, NDAA. Thats all you need to know.
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because your rules are too maleable
depends how rigid you are.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15655576 - 01/12/12 01:19 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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but 5+4 and 50+4 brings you different sums so then you change the rules again
5+4 = 9 50+4 = 54. now watch: 5+4 = 9
and yet you dont add the ones together, why you adding the sum of 54?
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whether aleph now translates to A means nothing as to whether nun is N
All I know is that the letters at beginning of the words match the abbreviated letters, NDAA. Thats all you need to know.
I see, so this is all about what something sounds like in order to fit your convoluted silly putty math
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15659186 - 01/13/12 06:10 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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and yet you dont add the ones together, why you adding the sum of 54?
Hopefully you remember that compound numbers are often added together, yeah? Hence with 54 which gives 9. HOWEVER as I also have been showing the number 11 is a very important power number for them, and it is all over 9/11 as we also have explained. So....when you get an abbreviation of a bill which has such an oppressive and menacing objective, justified by 9/11 it is very interesting that one can sum up the letters to add 9/11 by leaving AA as 11. BUT as I also show, if you DO acc all the letters together, including the ones you ALSO get 11!
All I know is that the letters at beginning of the words match the abbreviated letters, NDAA. Thats all you need to know.
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I see, so this is all about what something sounds like in order to fit your convoluted silly putty math
IF you know the Hebrew alphabet and know what letters are equivalent--according to you--to NDAA let us know? As far as I can see, evwen IF --as you seem insistent upon--that the Hebrew lletters do not correspond with the English alphabet (is that what your saying?) that they yet STILL do--willy nilly--show a code. See, look, as John Allegro reveals in his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross when showing the different hidden codes the writers of myth can did--ALL forms are used, even using dead languages like Sumerian, metaphor, etc. To KNOW the rules you have to be flexible oftherwise you are too rigid --stuck in your ignore-ance and you miss the clues.
In a previous post you asked this:
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11 November 1918 - on the 11th hour, World War I ended (11/11/18)
why is the 19 in the year omitted when only zeros are supposed to be
omitted because they arent numbers
OK watch: the 11 th hour on 11/11/1918 1+9+1+8= 19 = 10 (we drop the zero) and this leaves a number (combining hour and date like this):
1111111
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15659236 - 01/13/12 06:25 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Hopefully you remember that compound numbers are often added together
except for 11 and why exactly is that?
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OK watch: the 11 th hour on 11/11/1918 1+9+1+8= 19 = 10 (we drop the zero) and this leaves a number (combining hour and date like this):1111111
but this should be 221 except you keep running your flexirules because here
you only add the digits of the year while with others everything is added
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15659271 - 01/13/12 06:39 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Here is something I have just discovered. As we know now, pressy Obama signed the NDAA on the 31st December 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012 .
So let us look at this date then:
31st December 2011 is 31122011 --all digits addes up gives:
3+1+1+2+2+0+1+1 =11
BUT you also do it this way 3+1+1= 5 2+2=4 5+4=9 and leaving the power number 11, we again get 9/11
Now, prisoner, you asked an prediction. IF I had known can you see that I very well could have predicted the date of his signing the NDAA because you can calculate BOTH the abbreviation and its date of signing to the exact same way!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15659326 - 01/13/12 06:58 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Hopefully you remember that compound numbers are often added together
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OK watch: the 11 th hour on 11/11/1918 1+9+1+8= 19 = 10 (we drop the zero) and this leaves a number (combining hour and date like this):1111111
but this should be 221 except you keep running your flexirules because here
you only add the digits of the year while with others everything is added
This is where you are getting confused. 11 is a "POWER NUMBER". It is seen, and even when the ones can get added in a number the calculation will often show the number 11, as well as multiples of it, including 22 2x11, 77 7x11.
Do you remember this quote from the 'prophet of the new aeon' Aleister Crowley about the number 11 quoted above? Here it is again:
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"Firstly", 11 is the number of Magick in itself. It is therefore suitable to all types of operation. "Secondly", it is the sacred number par excellence of the new Aeon. As it is written in the Book of the Law: "...11, as all their numbers who are of us." "Thirdly", it is the number of the letters of the word ABRAHADABRA, which is the word of the Aeon. The structure of this word is such that it expresses the great Work, in every one of its aspects. "Lastly", it is possible thereby to express all possible spheres of operation, whatever their nature."
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Now, prisoner, you asked an prediction. IF I had known can you see that I very well could have predicted the date of his signing the NDAA because you can calculate BOTH the abbreviation and its date of signing to the exact same way!
yet you havent bothered to do the math on the others I've pointed out,.
you've done all you can to make a few things total 11 or 9/11 and certainly
you couldnt have predicted it because YOU DIDNT
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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11 is a "POWER NUMBER".
for whom and by whom was this designated as the on number that cannot be altered because it's the aster number
http://www.wiccan-world.com/reference_m_o/numbers/numbers_magickal.html
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Magickal Numbers
Numbers can be used in ritual and magickal workings. Odd numbers are related to the Goddess, women, and receptive energy. Even numbers are related to the God, men, and protective energy.
1: The Universe. The one and the source of all.
2: The Goddess and the God. Perfect duality and balance. The physical and spiritual equally combined.
3: The Triple Goddess. The physical, mental and spiritual aspects of ourselves. The lunar phases.
4: The Elements. The directions and seasons.
5: The senses. The elements plus Akasha. The pentacle/pentagram.
7: The planets as known in ancient times. Magick, power and protection.
8: The number of Sabbats. A number of the God.
9: A number of the Goddess.
13: The number of Esbats. A lucky number.
15: A lucky number.
21: The number of Sabbats and moons in the Wiccan year.
28: A number of the moon.
101: The number of fertility.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15668257 - 01/15/12 03:48 AM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Now, prisoner, you asked an prediction. IF I had known can you see that I very well could have predicted the date of his signing the NDAA because you can calculate BOTH the abbreviation and its date of signing to the exact same way!
yet you havent bothered to do the math on the others I've pointed out,.
you've done all you can to make a few things total 11 or 9/11 and certainly
you couldnt have predicted it because YOU DIDNT
I have given actual examples all the way throughout this thread. Sometimes having to repeat the excercises for those who do not grasp. All you seem to do is refute something and not even make an effort to demonstrate what it is your refuting.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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11 is a "POWER NUMBER".
for whom and by whom was this designated as the on number that cannot be altered because it's the aster number
http://www.wiccan-world.com/reference_m_o/numbers/numbers_magickal.html
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Magickal Numbers
Numbers can be used in ritual and magickal workings. Odd numbers are related to the Goddess, women, and receptive energy. Even numbers are related to the God, men, and protective energy.
1: The Universe. The one and the source of all.
2: The Goddess and the God. Perfect duality and balance. The physical and spiritual equally combined.
3: The Triple Goddess. The physical, mental and spiritual aspects of ourselves. The lunar phases.
4: The Elements. The directions and seasons.
5: The senses. The elements plus Akasha. The pentacle/pentagram.
7: The planets as known in ancient times. Magick, power and protection.
8: The number of Sabbats. A number of the God.
9: A number of the Goddess.
13: The number of Esbats. A lucky number.
15: A lucky number.
21: The number of Sabbats and moons in the Wiccan year.
28: A number of the moon.
101: The number of fertility.
so are you a witch prisoner? I don't really get the second quote. What are you trying to say showing that? Can you be more clear please?
As for your former question with typos
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for whom and by whom was this designated as the on number that cannot be altered because it's the aster number
Did you NOT see that quote from Aleister Crowley (which I have quoted at least twice in this thread)? MAYBE there is the hint you are looking for...? Did you see it? yes or no? And what do you think about it?
I didn't say 'mustn't be altered'--what I said is that it can be left, as I left it in the calculation of NDAA--ie., AA=11. BUT EVEN if one does add the two ones together in that abbrevation, but remembering to add the N 1+4=5, then the number we get is again 11.
So the point is that that master number is seen, is evident which EVER way we choose to calculate.
EVEN if you insist on not adding N, 1+4+, you will still get the whole equaling 2 which can be presented 1+1 where an 'eleven' is seen!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Now, prisoner, you asked an prediction. IF I had known can you see that I very well could have predicted the date of his signing the NDAA because you can calculate BOTH the abbreviation and its date of signing to the exact same way!
yet you havent bothered to do the math on the others I've pointed out,.
you've done all you can to make a few things total 11 or 9/11 and certainly
you couldnt have predicted it because YOU DIDNT
I have given actual examples all the way throughout this thread. Sometimes having to repeat the excercises for those who do not grasp. All you seem to do is refute something and not even make an effort to demonstrate what it is your refuting.
examples isnt predictions and neither are they rules
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for whom and by whom was this designated as the on number that cannot be altered because it's the aster number
Did you NOT see that quote from Aleister Crowley (which I have quoted at least twice in this thread)? MAYBE there is the hint you are looking for...? Did you see it? yes or no? And what do you think about it?
I see, so aleister crowley said this, thank god it's from some tool in the
20th century, the very inventor of magick. I was hoping it would have it's
roots in something legitimate not modern satanic ritual written by spoiled
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15668819 - 01/15/12 08:36 AM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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examples isnt predictions and neither are they rules
examples are people making EFFORTS and not just sitting on their bum going 'prove it prove it'. Not once have you actually demonstrated anything numerically.
I explained, and showed how BOTH NDAA and the whole date when Obama signed the NDAA both can be calculated as BOTH 9/11 and 11. Hence--have you heard of back-engineering a UFO...? Likewise, IF I back-engineered that find it shows it COULD have predicted the signing of the NDAA. capeesh? But I explained I am not in it to predict. others may. I am trying to show patterns, and find out who is behind these things. The REAl culprits--just like any destective would. Thjough of course detectives also want to predict.
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I see, so aleister crowley said this, thank god it's from some tool in the
20th century, the very inventor of magick. I was hoping it would have it's
roots in something legitimate not modern satanic ritual written by spoiled
rich kid that had way too much time on his hands
what an odd reply! what is it even saying?
Oh....right, so we have been showing you all these 11s, and 'the inventor of magick' claims 11 is the number of magick and performing operations,etc, and you totally dismiss this possible clue with a couple of sentences?
Not good detective work sonny jim!
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you could have predicted something post event? sounds like william cooper
and the inventor of magick devised this shit in the 20th century, he was a
writer, the son of wealth, he traveled the world and started his own cult
based on his own imagination, the predecessor to the far more successful
L.Ron Hubbard
thus, 11 is only significant to those brainwashed by the beliefs of crowley
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15672215 - 01/16/12 01:41 AM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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Just wanted to point out that:
z=26
z=26
r=18
i=9
p=16
z=26
26+26+18+9+16+26 = 121, which as we all know is 11^2
I'd say we have the product of two magical wizards here
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15672322 - 01/16/12 02:47 AM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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Oh Jesus, just read through this entire thread. My question is this:
Will someone please give George W., Obama, et al, some fucking cellphones so they can communicate amongst each other without blowing buildings up?
Like seriously.
Other questions (avoiding the beaten-to-death questions of method, etc.) include:
Why would congress be wasting its time trying to come up with anagrams that can be niggled into adding up to 11? Why would this 9-11 conspiracy not wait until, say, Nov. 11th at 11:11am to pull off this piece of brilliant performance art? etc. etc.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15672393 - 01/16/12 03:51 AM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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you could have predicted something post event? sounds like william cooper
Not really, no. if memory serves right, Cooper claims to have predicted there was going to be a big event on 9/11, but I am not sure he used numerology to deduct that. He was more emphasizing that the BIGGEST military surveilance couldn't apparently find Usama bin Laden, and yet a news crew do and report to the world that Osama (heyyyy rimes with Obama, hmmmm...?) was going to attack America. So rather than using numerology, as far as I am aware, Cooper was using his INTUITION, INTELLIGENCE, COMMON SENSE.
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and the inventor of magick devised this shit in the 20th century, he was a
writer, the son of wealth, he traveled the world and started his own cult
based on his own imagination, the predecessor to the far more successful
L.Ron Hubbard
thus, 11 is only significant to those brainwashed by the beliefs of crowley
As usual you are drawing conclusions and stopping looking. You are assuming that it is Aleister Crowley who invented the significance of the number 11 aren't you?
And he wasn't the 'inventor of magic'lol---that is just too absurd, for magic goes way back in history. He was rather the one who put 'k' onto the term 'magic' so as to differentiate 'real 'magick'' from stage magic.
I also sense you assume I am claiming 'magick' actually happened on 9/11? This is another big question, because it entails the exploration of what we mean BY magic and magick. For example, I am sure that even YOU prisoner have seen magicians do magic tricks and you don't know how they did it---right? will you admit that?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15672708 - 01/16/12 07:13 AM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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you could have predicted something post event? sounds like william cooper
Not really, no. if memory serves right, Cooper claims to have predicted there was going to be a big event on 9/11
no, cooper said 'something big is gonna happen in 2-3 weeks and they're
gonna blame osama' it was over 2 months before 9/11 happened but he gave
himself the out by saying 'if it doesnt happen in 2-3 weeks then it's
gonna happen'. cooper never gave a date or said what would happen and it's
not as though al qaeda hadnt been ramping up their attacks in the years
prior to 9/11. in 1998 there were 2 attacks on US Embassies, the USS Cole
in 2000. a few attacks in the Philippines, and several thwarted attacks
cooper didnt predict anything, he made vague references based on the news
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As usual you are drawing conclusions and stopping looking. You are assuming that it is Aleister Crowley who invented the significance of the number 11 aren't you?
show us the ancient scripts with reference to 11 being the master number
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And he wasn't the 'inventor of magic'lol---that is just too absurd, for magic goes way back in history. He was rather the one who put 'k' onto the term 'magic' so as to differentiate 'real 'magick'' from stage magic.
the inventor of Magick, being his little cult following
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I also sense you assume I am claiming 'magick' actually happened on 9/11?
I can assure you I've not made or even tried to elude to a claim of that
nature. I dont think you believe that planes were 'Magicked' into a
building or that they were brought down by 'Magick'. your claim has been
that the plot was based on numerology, that it was a planned event used to
coincide with a date adding to the number 11 via what ever means you
decide whether it's adding allt he numbers, dropping some and adding,
ignoring the rules, etc...
try this
add the last 2 digits of the year you were born to your age
for me it's '67+44 = 111, coincidentally, my birthday this year was 11/11/11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15673109 - 01/16/12 09:22 AM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15673442 - 01/16/12 11:16 AM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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no, cooper said 'something big is gonna happen in 2-3 weeks and they're
gonna blame osama' it was over 2 months before 9/11 happened but he gave
himself the out by saying 'if it doesnt happen in 2-3 weeks then it's
gonna happen'. cooper never gave a date or said what would happen and it's
not as though al qaeda hadnt been ramping up their attacks in the years
prior to 9/11. in 1998 there were 2 attacks on US Embassies, the USS Cole
in 2000. a few attacks in the Philippines, and several thwarted attacks
cooper didnt predict anything, he made vague references based on the news
hmmm your trying to do a little magic trick here which I see right through. In focussing on what you pick diverting attention away from the rest of what he said---which in the 11 year aftermath of 9/11 makes perfect sense!
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show us the ancient scripts with reference to 11 being the master number
http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/alphabet-of-kabbalah/737-kaf.html
You don't think Crowley would have been aware of that?
http://www.vopus.org/en/gnosis/tarot/tarot-arcanum-no-11.html "
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The Arcanum No. 11 is the work with the Fire
well there was plenty of THAT on 9/11...huh?
As you see here is the Kabbalah  And usually Da'at is invisible, but has also been explained as being the 11th sephirot meaning the magician 'one above 'God' "skipping God"
Now apparently when the tree is on its side it reveals the Roman numerals 9/11
But THE most important thing to know is Crowley's influence and announcement as the 'prophet of the new aeon' and his emphasis on the number 11 as THE number of magick (and other numbers. but I am focusing more on 11 here so as not to over-complicate things)
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the inventor of Magick, being his little cult following
you mean 'little' as in 1%?
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zzripz said: I also sense you assume I am claiming 'magick' actually happened on 9/11?
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I can assure you I've not made or even tried to elude to a claim of that
nature. I dont think you believe that planes were 'Magicked' into a
building or that they were brought down by 'Magick'. your claim has been
that the plot was based on numerology, that it was a planned event used to
coincide with a date adding to the number 11 via what ever means you
decide whether it's adding allt he numbers, dropping some and adding,
ignoring the rules, etc...
try this
add the last 2 digits of the year you were born to your age
for me it's '67 44 = 111, coincidentally, my birthday this year was 11/11/11
I am the ultimate power
your claim has been
that the plot was based on numerology, that it was a planned event used to
coincide with a date adding to the number 11 via what ever means you
decide whether it's adding allt he numbers, dropping some and adding,
ignoring the rules, etc...
Not based on numerology. There is all other symbolism also, including astrological. As I keep saying, I am looking at patterns. Do me a favour---I have already tried to compare 9/11--its emphasis on 11--with the end of WW1. Now, 'WW1 works out thus: W=23 and you add 2+3=5, thus 5+5=10, and plus the 1 and dropping the zero we have another 11. So what altetrnative explnation have you for why officialdowm (because SOMEONE has organized this haven't they) --that Remembrance Day would be on ritualized as was the end of that World War on 11th minue, on the 11th hour, on the 11th day, on the 11th month. Whats with the 11s? What reason are they giving? Do you know? have you ever wondered stuff like this prisoner?
In your little numerology lesson you for got to add the combined digits. So for example, (God you 'MISSED' the Summer of Love...?! bad timing) alright 67+44 6+7=13+4+4=8 so 1+3=4=8=12
1+2=3
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
#15673892 - 01/16/12 01:34 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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no, cooper said 'something big is gonna happen in 2-3 weeks and they're
gonna blame osama' it was over 2 months before 9/11 happened but he gave
himself the out by saying 'if it doesnt happen in 2-3 weeks then it's
gonna happen'. cooper never gave a date or said what would happen and it's
not as though al qaeda hadnt been ramping up their attacks in the years
prior to 9/11. in 1998 there were 2 attacks on US Embassies, the USS Cole
in 2000. a few attacks in the Philippines, and several thwarted attacks
cooper didnt predict anything, he made vague references based on the news
hmmm your trying to do a little magic trick here which I see right through. In focussing on what you pick diverting attention away from the rest of what he said---which in the 11 year aftermath of 9/11 makes perfect sense!
it's still the 10th year and maybe you should listen to what he said and
make note of when he said it.
picking shit associated with 11 and posting it as though it's supposed
to back your claims is pretty weak
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As I keep saying,
and that's all you're doing is saying, you're not proving anything, I
offered you the challenge of working out this numerology junk a list of
events and you instead seem to be copying crap from other websites again
that have nothing to do with any of what i challenged you to
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15674649 - 01/16/12 04:25 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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Whats with the 11s? What reason are they giving? Do you know? have you ever wondered stuff like this prisoner?
I'm guessing he hasn't, because the crucial thing you keep missing and missing despite the fact that numerous people have pointed out both obliquely and directly how silly your "demonstrations" are is that absolutely none of this 11 stuff is astonishing, ominous, impressive, or (and this is the real kicker) unlikely.
At best you've figured out that people like it when numbers get repeated over and over (for instance, the armistice stuff). As I said before, your repeated insistence that these things mean anything is pure Apophenia, and anytime someone has pointed this out you've refused to show any sort of evidence or logical argument as to why it's not. And to be honest I don't even have a rational reason why I'm pointing this out because I could point to 20 different instances in this thread alone where you completely fail to respond (not even failing to respond well, mind you) to critical attacks on your arguments of this sort.
The fact that you have shown absolutely no evidence directly relating the appearance of your magical 11s to anything sinister (btw, the fact that aleister crowley jizzed in his pants at the mention of 11 barely qualifies as indirect evidence, for all the reasons pris has been pointing out) means that no matter how many times you point out 11s in odd places, your argument does not get any stronger. A bigger pile of meaningless evidence is still meaningless.
I know I'm being an arrogant jackass coming up in here and thinking I suddenly understand everything, but I'll try to make it up to you by telling you exactly what it would take to convince me (and probably others like me) of your position. You're fond of definitions:
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pat·tern [pat-ern; Brit. pat-n] Show IPA
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1. a decorative design, as for wallpaper, china, or textile fabrics, etc.
2. decoration or ornament having such a design.
3. a natural or chance marking, configuration, or design: patterns of frost on the window.
4. a distinctive style, model, or form: a new pattern of army helmet.
5. a combination of qualities, acts, tendencies, etc., forming a consistent or characteristic arrangement: the behavior patterns of teenagers.
You say all you're doing is pointing out patterns. I believe the relevant definition to this discussion is no. 5: in order for you to actually be seeing a pattern in any of this, you need to show that the dates and names of world events consistently (i.e. every single time) add up using some consistent method (i.e., all that yammering about needing an equation earlier in the thread) to the number 11. For any events you don't wish to include in your pattern that others think should fit in (for instance, the 1993 WTC bombings or the IRA attacks) , you need to give a reason as to why they shouldn't be considered part of your pattern, else your pattern is not consistent and therefore does not exist.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15676586 - 01/17/12 01:57 AM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's still the 10th year and maybe you should listen to what he said and
make note of when he said it.
picking shit associated with 11 and posting it as though it's supposed
to back your claims is pretty weak
Certainly not as weak as your riposte, prisoner. You see, unlike yourself--of which I am very familiar from other threads to do with 9/11 and 7/7 etc--I know too well that you seem not aware of all the other stuff Cooper is rightfully predicting. So your admonition is quote ironic lol
I actually am not some Cooper devotee, though I trespect him, and therefore dont know what he may have said about numerology. But I am damn sure he would see far more into this than you, and the new kid on the block claim to.
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and that's all you're doing is saying, you're not proving anything, I
offered you the challenge of working out this numerology junk a list of
events and you instead seem to be copying crap from other websites again
that have nothing to do with any of what i challenged you to
I already told you twice already that I am not here to predict. However I did happen to find a direct correlation between the date of Obama's signing of the NDAA and the NDAA --both working out 9/11. And so I told you that with hindsight maybe that signing date COULD have been predicted.
I am not your monkkey whose role here is to jump to your challenges prisoner. I have put FAR more effort into explanation and examples in this thread than you or anyone else has, and I don't need you to confirm that. I already know 
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15676667 - 01/17/12 02:58 AM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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So...
Who is/has predicting/predicted what?
Wait, what?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15676744 - 01/17/12 04:01 AM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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I'm guessing he hasn't, because the crucial thing you keep missing and missing despite the fact that numerous people have pointed out both obliquely and directly how silly your "demonstrations" are is that absolutely none of this 11 stuff is astonishing, ominous, impressive, or (and this is the real kicker) unlikely.
So, I see. You remind me of people who follow religions and do stuff--ritualistically--and you ask them WHY they do such and such, and they reply they don't know they just do it--"it's tradition". In other words they are like robots that just do what everyone else is doing and don't ASK QUESTIONS! And they will put-down those who do ask questions, and come back with such irrational reasons for NOT asking questions that it becomes absurd.
So I give you another chance---WHY do they choose [in this instance the WW1 example-- all these 11s. Do you KNOW? If you don't know the honest thing is not to call asking it a pathology of your choosing, but to say 'I don't know'.
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At best you've figured out that people like it when numbers get repeated over and over (for instance, the armistice stuff). As I said before, your repeated insistence that these things mean anything is pure Apophenia, and anytime someone has pointed this out you've refused to show any sort of evidence or logical argument as to why it's not. And to be honest I don't even have a rational reason why I'm pointing this out because I could point to 20 different instances in this thread alone where you completely fail to respond (not even failing to respond well, mind you) to critical attacks on your arguments of this sort.
Actually in THIS thread YOU are the only person to mention that what I am doing is a pathological condition called Apophenia--though the few have implied I am mad to see this. I am also not new to that 'diagnosis', and I found out that the person who came up with that term: Quote:
Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.
The term was coined in 1958 by Klaus Conrad,[1] who defined it as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness", but it has come to represent the human tendency to seek patterns in random nature in general, as with gambling, paranormal phenomena, religion, and even attempts at scientific observation.
Now if you are good at exploring patterns, which IS intelligence, your natural curiousity would wonder who came up with this 'condition', and so would look at the pattern which is Klaus Conrad and would find this very revealing bit of it:
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Klaus Conrad (June 19, 1905 in Reichenberg; † 5 May 1961 in Göttingen) was a German neurologist and psychiatrist with important contributions to neuropsychology and psychopathology. He joined the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in 1940.[1] He was best known as a professor of psychiatry and neurology, and director of the University Psychiatric Hospital in Göttingen from 1958 until his death.
[can't you just see him with an SS Skull&Bones cap on?!]
A shink who joined the Nazi party! Ohhhh right, so I should listen to HIS diagnosis about how looking at patterns is a psychological condition...? LOL. I mean, shit, maybe if HE had been more attuned to looking at patterns he may have seen what the Nazis were all about hey? Do you know what the shrinks got UP to in Nazi Germany? Are you even familiar with the myth of mental illness as it continues now? But maybe we better not derail this thread into those complex areas, as this subject is complex enough---though I welcome you to start a thread about psychiatrists in Nazi Germany. A man who joined the Nazi party's diagnosis is the card you have?? Maybe you should rather see the bigger pattern that connects what happened with the rise to power of Nazi Germany with what is happening now post 9/11?
ANY authentic scienist, ANY artist, ANY detective, anyone of any intelligence knows that intelligence seeks patterns to discover. And when you look at nature, at leaves, rocks, and so on we see patterning everywhere also. This is not to mean though that some people may interpret patterns in a limited way. I mean how many times do we hear of people claiming to see the face of Jesus or Mohammid in a potato or whatever? Of course the sensible question for such an assertion would be 'errr how do you KNOW what Jesus looks like? There is no physical evidence for his existence!
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The fact that you have shown absolutely no evidence directly relating the appearance of your magical 11s to anything sinister (btw, the fact that aleister crowley jizzed in his pants at the mention of 11 barely qualifies as indirect evidence, for all the reasons pris has been pointing out) means that no matter how many times you point out 11s in odd places, your argument does not get any stronger. A bigger pile of meaningless evidence is still meaningless.
The meaning is in the patterns that I am exploring. The fact you cannot see them exposes more your lack of insight than anything else. When I look at these patterns, I am not doing so by ONLY focussing on them, along with them is knowingness regarding the bigger picture of 9/11, and how it relates to other events which also have included the 11 numerology, which is why I used the very important example of World War 1 which you dismiss as irrelevant. That is just an own-goal dude lol though you cannot see it.
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I know I'm being an arrogant jackass coming up in here and thinking I suddenly understand everything, but I'll try to make it up to you by telling you exactly what it would take to convince me (and probably others like me) of your position. You're fond of definitions:
Hmmm well you said it...
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pat·tern [pat-ern; Brit. pat-n] Show IPA
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1. a decorative design, as for wallpaper, china, or textile fabrics, etc.
2. decoration or ornament having such a design.
3. a natural or chance marking, configuration, or design: patterns of frost on the window.
4. a distinctive style, model, or form: a new pattern of army helmet.
5. a combination of qualities, acts, tendencies, etc., forming a consistent or characteristic arrangement: the behavior patterns of teenagers.
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You say all you're doing is pointing out patterns. I believe the relevant definition to this discussion is no. 5: in order for you to actually be seeing a pattern in any of this, you need to show that the dates and names of world events consistently (i.e. every single time) add up using some consistent method (i.e., all that yammering about needing an equation earlier in the thread) to the number 11. For any events you don't wish to include in your pattern that others think should fit in (for instance, the 1993 WTC bombings or the IRA attacks) , you need to give a reason as to why they shouldn't be considered part of your pattern, else your pattern is not consistent and therefore does not exist.
But I already have, but you seem blind to it and that is not my fault. I actually have discovered stuff while being challenged in this thread, like for example how the numerology of NDAA correlates with the numerology of the Obama's signing of the NDAA on the 31st December 2011. From news accounts I have seen not ONE seems to be aware of this code I can see (not even a dude who is into this at youtubne mentions it---yet). What i have heard is stuff like 'while you were all partying Obama decided to give you a new years even present' bla bla. Not one realizes--as far as I can see the numerological link how these people work it. You wont even SEE this never mind wonder WHY they do it.
I cannot say I know. I am humble enough to say i am EXPLORING this, and do not have conclusions. But I can speculate. For example, you do know I am hoping about propaganda...? PLEASE let me know you think that's real So, what does propaganda try and do? it trieeessss to manipulate consciousness so as to support some objective the ones doing it want. OK? Agreed? (you can read all about what they do and how by Googling Edward Bernays. Also a search of his name at youtube, and watch some videos) Now, the POWER OF propaganda is this: the ones affected do not know what they are doing. Ie., the ones doing the propaganda. because it is UN-conscious it has more power...
are ya gettin my drift?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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So, I see. You remind me of people who follow religions and do stuff--ritualistically--and you ask them WHY they do such and such, and they reply they don't know they just do it--"it's tradition". In other words they are like robots that just do what everyone else is doing and don't ASK QUESTIONS! And they will put-down those who do ask questions, and come back with such irrational reasons for NOT asking questions that it becomes absurd.
So I give you another chance---WHY do they choose [in this instance the WW1 example-- all these 11s. Do you KNOW? If you don't know the honest thing is not to call asking it a pathology of your choosing, but to say 'I don't know'.
Taking this advice to heart, I'm going to assume that when my friend continues to tell me to come to the bar at 9:00 any day in September that something sinister's going on. After all, there's no reason to choose 9 - he could have chosen 9:03, or 8:30, or 10:11! WHY all these 9s?!?. That's just as silly as what you're doing - you're deciding that something that is decidedly nonmysterious is mysterious.
"The eleventh hour of the eleventh day" has a nice ring to it. That's all you need to explain why they chose that day and time. It's really quite simple and normal. This is not blind adherence to tradition or being the kind of person who won't "ask questions"; it's not being surprised at something because it's not surprising.
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Actually in THIS thread YOU are the only person to mention that what I am doing is a pathological condition called Apophenia--though the few have implied I am mad to see this.
First off, it's not a "pathological condition." It's just a word that describes your behavior, like if I called you an "internet poster." I keep putting up links to it because I thought there was a chance you might think twice after being shown that this is a common enough human behavior for someone to coin a term and someone else to write a long article about it.
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Now if you are good at exploring patterns, which IS intelligence, your natural curiousity would wonder who came up with this 'condition', and so would look at the pattern which is Klaus Conrad and would find this very revealing bit of it:
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Klaus Conrad (June 19, 1905 in Reichenberg; † 5 May 1961 in Göttingen) was a German neurologist and psychiatrist with important contributions to neuropsychology and psychopathology. He joined the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in 1940.[1] He was best known as a professor of psychiatry and neurology, and director of the University Psychiatric Hospital in Göttingen from 1958 until his death.
[can't you just see him with an SS Skull&Bones cap on?!]
A shink who joined the Nazi party! Ohhhh right, so I should listen to HIS diagnosis about how looking at patterns is a psychological condition...? LOL.
Being a nazi makes you a bad person, not a bad scientist. Not really sure what any of this has to do with anything, though - I'm saying that your "patterns" are one part imagined and two parts unimportant, The fact that the guy who invented the word for that was a Nazi is sheer misdirection.
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I mean, shit, maybe if HE had been more attuned to looking at patterns he may have seen what the Nazis were all about hey? Do you know what the shrinks got UP to in Nazi Germany? Are you even familiar with the myth of mental illness as it continues now? But maybe we better not derail this thread into those complex areas, as this subject is complex enough---though I welcome you to start a thread about psychiatrists in Nazi Germany. A man who joined the Nazi party's diagnosis is the card you have?? Maybe you should rather see the bigger pattern that connects what happened with the rise to power of Nazi Germany with what is happening now post 9/11?
Wasn't it nationalist paranoia and a willingness to blame Germany's post-WWI economic woes on the Jews that allowed the Nazi party to come to power? I think the bigger threat to society is not ignoring patterns - it's imposing them when they don't exist. If you're omniscient and the universe is deterministic then sure, everything "means" something in the grander sense. If you're a regular person, though, for the purposes of finding useful patterns 99% of what you notice is noise.
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This is not to mean though that some people may interpret patterns in a limited way. I mean how many times do we hear of people claiming to see the face of Jesus or Mohammid in a potato or whatever? Of course the sensible question for such an assertion would be 'errr how do you KNOW what Jesus looks like? There is no physical evidence for his existence!
How do you KNOW what this conspiracy of yours looks like? What do these 11-ers do? There is no physical evidence for their existence!
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You say all you're doing is pointing out patterns. I believe the relevant definition to this discussion is no. 5: in order for you to actually be seeing a pattern in any of this, you need to show that the dates and names of world events consistently (i.e. every single time) add up using some consistent method (i.e., all that yammering about needing an equation earlier in the thread) to the number 11. For any events you don't wish to include in your pattern that others think should fit in (for instance, the 1993 WTC bombings or the IRA attacks) , you need to give a reason as to why they shouldn't be considered part of your pattern, else your pattern is not consistent and therefore does not exist.
But I already have, but you seem blind to it and that is not my fault.
Where in this thread do you link the 1993 WTC Bombings to the number 11? Or the IRA Bombings? Or anything but Sept. 11th and the NDAA bill? Like I've said, if you can't find a consistent relation between events and the number 11, there is no pattern. Cherry-picking world events does not make a pattern. This is what you're doing:
George Washington was the first president of the US. George W.H. Bush and George W. Bush have also been president. In addition, George Clinton, George Dallas, and the previously-mentioned George W.H. Bush have all been vice-president. Obviously there is something going on, perhaps a secret society of "George"s pulling the strings and getting their members elected.
Like, No Joke, that's just as silly an argument as yours. If all 43 presidents were named George I might assume something was going on, that something likely being a weird fascination with the name "George" in the American public. Likewise, if you can relate a whole string of terrorist attacks and wars and the like and not leave any out to your 11 theory, then I might assume something's going on. Otherwise there's no pattern and nothing to worry about, just like there's no pattern in American presidential names.
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I cannot say I know. I am humble enough to say i am EXPLORING this, and do not have conclusions. But I can speculate. For example, you do know I am hoping about propaganda...? PLEASE let me know you think that's real So, what does propaganda try and do? it trieeessss to manipulate consciousness so as to support some objective the ones doing it want. OK? Agreed? (you can read all about what they do and how by Googling Edward Bernays. Also a search of his name at youtube, and watch some videos) Now, the POWER OF propaganda is this: the ones affected do not know what they are doing. Ie., the ones doing the propaganda. because it is UN-conscious it has more power...
are ya gettin my drift?
Argument from ignorance, dude. One of your basic fallacies. With a healthy dollop of paranoia thrown in.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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"The eleventh hour of the eleventh day" has a nice ring to it. That's all you need to explain why they chose that day and time. It's really quite simple and normal. This is not blind adherence to tradition or being the kind of person who won't "ask questions"; it's not being surprised at something because it's not surprising.
'A nice ring to it...? you just plucked that out of the air didn't you? be honest? If not show me your evidence that that is why they use all those 11s. Who said 'ohhh its got a nice ring to it' quote--do some work
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First off, it's not a "pathological condition." It's just a word that describes your behavior, like if I called you an "internet poster." I keep putting up links to it because I thought there was a chance you might think twice after being shown that this is a common enough human behavior for someone to coin a term and someone else to write a long article about it.
oh look at how youwist language to suit yourself. it is not meant to be pathological. Errr no --you just mean i am crazy, right? lol
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Being a nazi makes you a bad person, not a bad scientist. Not really sure what any of this has to do with anything, though - I'm saying that your "patterns" are one part imagined and two parts unimportant, The fact that the guy who invented the word for that was a Nazi is sheer misdirection.
Oh I see, you can be a good Nazi scientist can you? maybe in your universe dude, not mine. I tend to look at the HUMAN, the whole person. the patterns of that being in relation to thre rest of reality.
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Wasn't it nationalist paranoia and a willingness to blame Germany's post-WWI economic woes on the Jews that allowed the Nazi party to come to power? I think the bigger threat to society is not ignoring patterns - it's imposing them when they don't exist. If you're omniscient and the universe is deterministic then sure, everything "means" something in the grander sense. If you're a regular person, though, for the purposes of finding useful patterns 99% of what you notice is noise.
Tghere was all different reasons/patterns. Look---you can do what you want. I dont force you here. I am looking what I am looking at, and if you dont agree pfr think it noise then that's you--isn't it? I am inter-ested to look. You just pluck absurd explnations out of the air.
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How do you KNOW what this conspiracy of yours looks like? What do these 11-ers do? There is no physical evidence for their existence!
The '11ers'? It is more complex than JUST the number 11. I have been trying to focus on 11, and 9/11 in this thread so as not to over-complicate things. Buth just to say, other numbers were involved on 9/11--the flight numbers--which are connected with Aleister Crowley's magickal number system. So who are they? They obviously have Crowley as their prophet. he proclaimed himself to be the 'prophet of the new aeon' and was heavily involved in magick--a term he coined. And these people will be into all that. They have the money and time, and will use all means to keep their power. The physical evidence of their existence is all over the fukin planet--unfortunately. But I dont expect you to notice this, of course.
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Where in this thread do you link the 1993 WTC Bombings to the number 11? Or the IRA Bombings? Or anything but Sept. 11th and the NDAA bill? Like I've said, if you can't find a consistent relation between events and the number 11, there is no pattern. Cherry-picking world events does not make a pattern. This is what you're doing:
George Washington was the first president of the US. George W.H. Bush and George W. Bush have also been president. In addition, George Clinton, George Dallas, and the previously-mentioned George W.H. Bush have all been vice-president. Obviously there is something going on, perhaps a secret society of "George"s pulling the strings and getting their members elected.
Like, No Joke, that's just as silly an argument as yours. If all 43 presidents were named George I might assume something was going on, that something likely being a weird fascination with the name "George" in the American public. Likewise, if you can relate a whole string of terrorist attacks and wars and the like and not leave any out to your 11 theory, then I might assume something's going on. Otherwise there's no pattern and nothing to worry about, just like there's no pattern in American presidential names.
What is this thread's title? What have I explored? So what has the Irish bombings and the 1993 WTC got to do with it? Actually I have mentioned above how one of the leading so-called terrorists involved with the 1993 WTC has 11 letters in his name.
Some researchers do go MUCH further than me. But I personally feel that they over-complicate things because this can get overwhelming, hence one of reasons in this thread I am trying to just concentrate on the 11s, and 9/11, but in other explorations I mention about other numners, symbolism and occult astrology.
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Argument from ignorance, dude. One of your basic fallacies. With a healthy dollop of paranoia thrown in.
Hah, you should talk
'got a nice ring to it' 
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Being a nazi makes you a bad person, not a bad scientist. Not really sure what any of this has to do with anything, though - I'm saying that your "patterns" are one part imagined and two parts unimportant, The fact that the guy who invented the word for that was a Nazi is sheer misdirection.
Oh I see, you can be a good Nazi scientist can you? maybe in your universe dude, not mine. I tend to look at the HUMAN, the whole person. the patterns of that being in relation to thre rest of reality.
lol... so we need to shoot all the satellites from the sky and stop doing
anything more than battlefield surgery because the nazi scientist have
greatly assisted in putting us where we are today
but it's all bad science so we should destroy it and anyone with knowledge
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd number patterns.
Osiris was chopped up into 14 parts by Set. Osiris' wife, Isis, sought to recover all the parts of her husband, and assembled 13 parts and rebirthed him. The 14th, his penis, could not be found, and so Obelisks were cast.
When America was founded, it had 13 states. The 14th, where the city of Washington resides, is not a state. It's a district of Columbia (other people clued up on Mythology can explain the significance of Britannia/Columbia. No Doves here). And in the District of Columbia, the 14th, we find Washington’s monument. Which happens to be 555 feet tall, which equates to 6660 inches. Numerology predates the invention of zero, so it's never counted. It's madness, but there is a well established method to said madness.
Look at a street map of Washington D.C, can you spot the pentagram, the compass and set square?
My point in this is, America has the signature of freemasonry, which, being what Freemasonry is, has a lot of occult knowledge. Magic is occult knowledge, it always is occult knowledge. It can be simple things like geomancy, so making pyramids and obelisks, or just making the tallest building in a town or city the church/cathedral to draw peoples focus upon it. Or it can be numerology.
Now, consider, when a nation founded on an occultic plan (basically found a new nation to be the new empire, as all the old nations had a history of conquest and tyranny) with so many tell-tale signatures that say "Numermancy be here", then is it so hard to believe that they do things on auspicious dates, to create some sort of magical feedback/resonance? Again, doesn't mean you or I have to believe it, the powers that be do, and do things to a predictable pattern.
Another example I can think of, which shouldn't be too hard for those who remember history is the emergency services number here in the UK, which is 999. Now, in the past, with telephones with a dial, 9 takes the longest amount of time to be entered, second only to 0. 111 would have made far more sense.
Thing is, with one of those old dial phones, when you turned the dial around, it made it look like 666. Lots of freemasons in the police force, and whilst many of them are totally oblivious to the power of numbers, someone had to come up with this plan.
P.S: Not here to argue with anyone. But if anyone wants to call me up on mythology, some stories say Set buried Osiris in a sarcophagus, and then Isis found him stuck in a tree. I say chopped up because there were 14 parts. I only mention it because there's a fair bit of "rebirth" going on with America regenerating aspects of ancient Egyptian and Babylonian culture.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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'A nice ring to it...? you just plucked that out of the air didn't you? be honest? If not show me your evidence that that is why they use all those 11s. Who said 'ohhh its got a nice ring to it' quote--do some work
Yes, I did pluck that out of thin air. It's not a quote. Here's how I came up with it. A quick look at the wikipedia article on the subject gives us a timeline of the Armistice:
Sept. 29: German High Command informs the Kaiser that their military situation is hopeless.
Oct. 5: Germany contacts US President Woodrow Wilson to begin negotiations. One of Wilson's requirements for negotiation is that the Kaiser abdicate.
Oct. 29: German revolution begins - the German people attempt to overthrow their imperial government and replace it with a republic.
Nov. 5: The Allies begin formal negotiations with Germany.
Nov. 9: The Kaiser abdicates power; the German revolution succeeds.
Nov. 10: The Allies show the German negotiators newspapers saying that the Kaiser has abdicated his thrown.
Nov. 11, 5am: Negotiations finish and the Germans sign the Armistice, which states that hostilities will end at 11am.
That timeline seems natural to me, without any need to resort to an unseen, magic-worshipping hand pushing things around to explain it - the German Revolution was a grassroots movement, and with their government toppled the Germans signed a treaty pretty much as soon as they could bang out the particulars. I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that in the haze of 3am after negotiating for hours on end, someone said, you know what? It's 11/11, I think we should have hostilities end at 11am as well. After all, that has a ring to it.
The reason my "it has a ring to it" theory is not an argument from ignorance is that I'm not arguing for its truth - I'm putting it forward as a skeptical counterargument to your claim that this time/date was the handiwork of a magickal cult. I'm not claiming that there absolutely was someone who decided that time for that reason; I'm claiming that that's a far more reasonable theory than yours. And it is more reasonable, because people do things like that all the time - to wit, having weddings on 12/12/12, making wishes at 11:11, freaking out when the date was 09/10/11, etc. - and we have actual evidence of them doing this. On the other hand, we have no evidence that magickal cults do anything on days related to 11 other than your incredulity about Armistice Day. And because my theory is so much more reasonable, the burden is on you to either show evidence or logical argument that your theory is more reasonable.
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First off, it's not a "pathological condition."...
oh look at how youwist language to suit yourself. it is not meant to be pathological. Errr no --you just mean i am crazy, right? lol
...and, dont patronize.
I'm not twisting language; I think you'll find that you were the only one to use the words pathological or diagnosis or condition until I finally pointed out that that was not what I was saying. And I didn't mean you were crazy, either - I meant you were being irrational. Quite irrational to be fair, but obviously there is a difference between arguing for crazy theories on the internet and actually being crazy.
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The '11ers'? It is more complex than JUST the number 11. I have been trying to focus on 11, and 9/11 in this thread so as not to over-complicate things. Buth just to say, other numbers were involved on 9/11--the flight numbers--which are connected with Aleister Crowley's magickal number system. So who are they? They obviously have Crowley as their prophet. he proclaimed himself to be the 'prophet of the new aeon' and was heavily involved in magick--a term he coined. And these people will be into all that. They have the money and time, and will use all means to keep their power. The physical evidence of their existence is all over the fukin planet--unfortunately. But I dont expect you to notice this, of course.
I believe that you'll find that the people behind 9/11 had Mohammad as their prophet. But seriously, you can't just assume associations among things like that, even with much better evidence than the stuff you have. General Patton may have used military strategems that were in The Art of War, but this hardly means that he read the book or even knew who Sun Tzu was. The fact that "George Patton" can be represented as 7+5+15+18+7+5+16+1+20+20+15+14, which equals 143, and 1+4+3=8, and 8 is regarded as a lucky number in Chinese culture does nothing to make Patton's connection to Tzu more likely.
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So what has the Irish bombings and the 1993 WTC got to do with it?
If there were some sort of magickal conspiracy going on, they would be doing things other than 9/11, right? So where's the pattern? It may be unfair to force you to come up with the doings of a secret organization, but really, this would be a silly organization and the evidence for it is quite weak; hence the need for an actual pattern of events to go on. I can take any number/type of event combination you like and find a few that where there's a "connection." Hence the fact that you found one doesn't mean anything. That's what everyone's been trying to get you to realize.
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Actually I have mentioned above how one of the leading so-called terrorists involved with the 1993 WTC has 11 letters in his name.
So these guys are concerned about 11 enough that they hire (only one!) man with 11 letters in his name, yet they don't strike on any day numerologically adding up to 11?
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Some researchers do go MUCH further than me. But I personally feel that they over-complicate things because this can get overwhelming, hence one of reasons in this thread I am trying to just concentrate on the 11s, and 9/11, but in other explorations I mention about other numners, symbolism and occult astrology.
They overcomplicate because they need smoke and mirrors to create their results. And to keep people from examining their work too closely.
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Argument from ignorance, dude. One of your basic fallacies. With a healthy dollop of paranoia thrown in.
Hah, you should talk
'got a nice ring to it'
Please give me an explanation as to why the burden of proof is not on your side. I've already given an explanation as to why it's not on mine.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Oh
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I just want your view
How exactly is this bill fascist.
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If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd number patterns.
Osiris was chopped up into 14 parts by Set. Osiris' wife, Isis, sought to recover all the parts of her husband, and assembled 13 parts and rebirthed him. The 14th, his penis, could not be found, and so Obelisks were cast.
When America was founded, it had 13 states. The 14th, where the city of Washington resides, is not a state. It's a district of Columbia (other people clued up on Mythology can explain the significance of Britannia/Columbia. No Doves here). And in the District of Columbia, the 14th, we find Washington’s monument. Which happens to be 555 feet tall, which equates to 6660 inches. Numerology predates the invention of zero, so it's never counted. It's madness, but there is a well established method to said madness.
Look at a street map of Washington D.C, can you spot the pentagram, the compass and set square?
My point in this is, America has the signature of freemasonry, which, being what Freemasonry is, has a lot of occult knowledge. Magic is occult knowledge, it always is occult knowledge. It can be simple things like geomancy, so making pyramids and obelisks, or just making the tallest building in a town or city the church/cathedral to draw peoples focus upon it. Or it can be numerology.
Now, consider, when a nation founded on an occultic plan (basically found a new nation to be the new empire, as all the old nations had a history of conquest and tyranny) with so many tell-tale signatures that say "Numermancy be here", then is it so hard to believe that they do things on auspicious dates, to create some sort of magical feedback/resonance? Again, doesn't mean you or I have to believe it, the powers that be do, and do things to a predictable pattern.
Another example I can think of, which shouldn't be too hard for those who remember history is the emergency services number here in the UK, which is 999. Now, in the past, with telephones with a dial, 9 takes the longest amount of time to be entered, second only to 0. 111 would have made far more sense.
Thing is, with one of those old dial phones, when you turned the dial around, it made it look like 666. Lots of freemasons in the police force, and whilst many of them are totally oblivious to the power of numbers, someone had to come up with this plan.
P.S: Not here to argue with anyone. But if anyone wants to call me up on mythology, some stories say Set buried Osiris in a sarcophagus, and then Isis found him stuck in a tree. I say chopped up because there were 14 parts. I only mention it because there's a fair bit of "rebirth" going on with America regenerating aspects of ancient Egyptian and Babylonian culture.
Now that's a conspiracy theory I can get behind. 
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Look at a street map of Washington D.C, can you spot the pentagram, the compass and set square?
sure, you can see it when people draw a pentagram and square/compass on the
map because where most of those lines are, there arent any connecting roads
yet another example of people telling us what to believe regardless of the
truth, this shit may as well be religion because people that do think for
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we find Washington’s monument. Which happens to be 555 feet tall, which equates to 6660 inches.
555' 5 1/8"
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Being a nazi makes you a bad person, not a bad scientist. Not really sure what any of this has to do with anything, though - I'm saying that your "patterns" are one part imagined and two parts unimportant, The fact that the guy who invented the word for that was a Nazi is sheer misdirection.
Oh I see, you can be a good Nazi scientist can you? maybe in your universe dude, not mine. I tend to look at the HUMAN, the whole person. the patterns of that being in relation to thre rest of reality.
lol... so we need to shoot all the satellites from the sky and stop doing
anything more than battlefield surgery because the nazi scientist have
greatly assisted in putting us where we are today
but it's all bad science so we should destroy it and anyone with knowledge
of what it's brought
The funny thing is that I am guessing you see nothing wrong with this techno-fascist world, right? So we are really two totally different worldviews, I think that's quite obvious.
But I wasn't exatly meaning a science product FROM a Nazi so to speak, but the fact that a person who joined the Nazi party, and became a shrink, I am gonna trust and quote from and take seriously about the 'danger of acknowledgeing patterns intellgently'?? An idea I see as both sick and funny at the same time.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shill]
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Oh
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I just want your view
How exactly is this bill fascist.
you'll learn if the shit hits YOUR fan!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that in the haze of 3am after negotiating for hours on end, someone said, you know what? It's 11/11, I think we should have hostilities end at 11am as well. After all, that has a ring to it.
hah, it may be reasonable to you. Sure aint to me.
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The reason my "it has a ring to it" theory is not an argument from ignorance is that I'm not arguing for its truth - I'm putting it forward as a skeptical counterargument to your claim that this time/date was the handiwork of a magickal cult.
I hear your words but I see through them. I think you are being ignore-ant. This is not inult it means what it says. I truly dont think you have looked into this nor know about other stuff. You already show below you believe their offical tale of 9/11, and that for me says a lot why you cannot see this deeper stuff.
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I'm not claiming that there absolutely was someone who decided that time for that reason; I'm claiming that that's a far more reasonable theory than yours.
Yes I can imagine YOU think that, but myself and others do not.
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And it is more reasonable, because people do things like that all the time - to wit, having weddings on 12/12/12, making wishes at 11:11, freaking out when the date was 09/10/11, etc. - and we have actual evidence of them doing this. On the other hand, we have no evidence that magickal cults do anything on days related to 11 other than your incredulity about Armistice Day. And because my theory is so much more reasonable, the burden is on you to either show evidence or logical argument that your theory is more reasonable.
We are not talking about a freekin wedding, or what freekin ever but the end of WORLD WAR 1 for fucks sake!
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I'm not twisting language; I think you'll find that you were the only one to use the words pathological or diagnosis or condition until I finally pointed out that that was not what I was saying. And I didn't mean you were crazy, either - I meant you were being irrational. Quite irrational to be fair, but obviously there is a difference between arguing for crazy theories on the internet and actually being crazy.
Quite irrational? Then I shall take that as a compliment shall I? lol
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I believe that you'll find that the people behind 9/11 had Mohammad as their prophet. But seriously, you can't just assume associations among things like that, even with much better evidence than the stuff you have. General Patton may have used military strategems that were in The Art of War, but this hardly means that he read the book or even knew who Sun Tzu was. The fact that "George Patton" can be represented as 7+5+15+18+7+5+16+1+20+20+15+14, which equals 143, and 1+4+3=8, and 8 is regarded as a lucky number in Chinese culture does nothing to make Patton's connection to Tzu more likely.
Oh myyyyyy. I see you believe in the offical 9/11 blockbuster reality show movie blockbuster. Oh, i am SO surprised. This one:
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If there were some sort of magickal conspiracy going on, they would be doing things other than 9/11, right? So where's the pattern? It may be unfair to force you to come up with the doings of a secret organization, but really, this would be a silly organization and the evidence for it is quite weak; hence the need for an actual pattern of events to go on. I can take any number/type of event combination you like and find a few that where there's a "connection." Hence the fact that you found one doesn't mean anything. That's what everyone's been trying to get you to realize.
Errr yes they sure have been/ARE doing more things than 9/11. The pattern is there when you stop being ignore-ant and/or un~conscious. As I have said there is far more complexity to it, and err let me ask you. How comes you put a thumbs up at the other poster telling you about the other symbolism, and numerology. How come you can accept that but not this or were you being sarcastic?...you call ME irrational?
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So these guys are concerned about 11 enough that they hire (only one!) man with 11 letters in his name, yet they don't strike on any day numerologically adding up to 11?
A good detective in order to understand a serial killer has got to get into the head of the serial killer. Feel me?
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They overcomplicate because they need smoke and mirrors to create their results. And to keep people from examining their work too closely.
Oh I see. Another air pluck?
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Please give me an explanation as to why the burden of proof is not on your side. I've already given an explanation as to why it's not on mine.
because to be quite frank your challenge is hardly worth an effort. Your argument is the equivalent of some UFO sceptic calling a UFO sighting swamp gas.
A famous physicist when challenged about some physicist stuff by someone he thought did not have a clue said 'he's not even WRONG'
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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The funny thing is that I am guessing you see nothing wrong with this techno-fascist world, right? So we are really two totally different worldviews, I think that's quite obvious.
'wrong' is subjective, I see plenty that's wrong in the world but I certainly dont see what you see
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Errr yes they sure have been/ARE doing more things than 9/11. The pattern is there when you stop being ignore-ant and/or un~conscious. As I have said there is far more complexity to it, and err let me ask you. How comes you put a thumbs up at the other poster telling you about the other symbolism, and numerology. How come you can accept that but not this or were you being sarcastic?...you call ME irrational?
No, I like that argument. It's actually a perfect example to explain my position with. Visionary Tools' argument to me seems to go like this:
Facts A, B, and C could be explained by Theory X.
Theory X would also imply Z.
Therefore, it's possible that Z.
Importantly, his facts (Washington, D.C. is laid out in a pentagram shape, the height of the Washington monument) are verifiable - I can look at a map or an encyclopedia to check these things out myself (or get in a helicopter/grab a ruler if I want to be absolutely sure). Also importantly, a good chunk of his argument goes towards elaborating on why his theory (that some of the founding fathers and politicians since were freemasons (again, verifiable) and did these things for occulty, freemasonry reasons) would make a good explanation of his facts. And most importantly, he knows that his theory isn't airtight so he tempers his conclusion. This is the moneyshot:
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is it so hard to believe that they do things on auspicious dates, to create some sort of magical feedback/resonance?
He doesn't go beyond his evidence. He doesn't say that politicians do do things on auspicious dates; he says they might. He doesn't even say things like that the pentagram shape and the height of the monument must be due to masonic design because he knows that it's entirely possible those things are just a coincidence, and the links between freemasonry and the occult and between the occult and Egyptian mythology are somewhat tenuous anyway. The fact that he keeps his conclusion limited because of this makes all the difference. This is what I see you doing:
- Making up facts***
- Explaining these facts with a theory you assert is true
- Claiming that these facts therefore prove your theory
This is an entirely different process, and it's not logically valid. You're assuming your conclusion in your premises, which is (yet again) a fallacy known as begging the question. Let me give you an example of you doing it so you can see what I mean:
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The '11ers'? It is more complex than JUST the number 11. I have been trying to focus on 11, and 9/11 in this thread so as not to over-complicate things. Buth just to say, other numbers were involved on 9/11--the flight numbers--which are connected with Aleister Crowley's magickal number system. So who are they? They obviously have Crowley as their prophet. he proclaimed himself to be the 'prophet of the new aeon' and was heavily involved in magick--a term he coined. And these people will be into all that. They have the money and time, and will use all means to keep their power. The physical evidence of their existence is all over the fukin planet--unfortunately. But I dont expect you to notice this, of course.
Your facts are that there are various magickal numbers associated with 9/11, which is fine, but then you immediately decide that "They [the 9/ll hijackers] obviously have Crowley as their prophet." First off, no, it's not obvious. But even if you think it is, did you see what happened there? Did you see what switch flipped in your argument?
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The physical evidence of their existence is all over the fukin planet
You've taken evidence, decided that it obviously supported your theory, and then gone back and used your theory to explain why that same evidence is the sort of evidence you claim it is (i.e., these number connections aren't just coincidences). That's backwards. It's like you did this:
Person 1: I hear ghosts tapping on the window!
Person 2: How do you know there's ghosts out there?
Person 1: Well if they weren't out there, how could they be tapping on the window?
Look, all of that aside - your intentions might not be coming through clearly - pretending none of that matters, there's only one possible logically valid way I can think of constructing your general argument, and this is it:
(1)The name of the NDAA, various things associated with 9/11, etc. add up to 11.
(2)The facts in (1), either on their own or taken in combination, are impossibly unlikely unless a magickal conspiracy related to the work of Aleister Crowley exists.
(3)Impossibly unlikely things do not exist.
(4)Therefore, there is a magickal conspiracy related to the work of Aleister Crowley.
You do seem to be arguing this from time to time, but while this may be valid, it's also wrong, because (2) is not true. There are many, many bills that have titles that numerologically add up to 11. There are many, many flights each day numbered AA[something that adds up to 11]. Many, many names have 11 letters in them. Hell, there were even other sets of towers out there in 2001 that looked like an 11:
And because all these things are so common, it's not even unlikely that there would be some connections like those, and it wouldn't be very unlikely even if we found a few more events like this.
The bottom line is this: the fact that you haven't ever responded to the assertion that these things aren't unlikely is a major, major flaw in your argument. People aren't deciding not to believe your argument because they're ignoring the evidence; they're deciding not to believe your argument because they think your argument that your evidence supports your theory is wrong.
***In a sense, this characterization is unfair. Unequivocally there is an algorithm for converting the letters in NDAA into numbers and adding those letters up to get 11, and so in a way it's a "fact" that NDAA adds up to 11. But we haven't been told what your algorithm is, and it seems to everyone here that the method changes from time to time in order for you to get the result you want. So in one sense, sure, all these things you've pointed out do add up to 11, and in another, more compelling sense, you're making s*** up.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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your argument that your evidence supports your theory is wrong.
Just to be perfectly clear what my point is, and to avoid this whole ignore-ant label.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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So, after all these posts, has zzripz been able to provide even a single method to derive the hidden meaning out of the text of interest? So far, it looks like the answer is a no. If you don't even have a way to analyze the data, how could you ever know that your technique is valid? It would be impossible to determine, and yet this nonsense goes on...
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First off, it's not a "pathological condition."
The conspiracy theory posters seem to have a view of psychiatry slightly more insane than the Church of Scientology. Any time a medical term or diagnosis is mentioned its criticized as if anyone exhibiting the symptoms is diagnosible- completley disregarding the universely accepted requirement of serious impairment in normal functioning required to diagnose an illness. Even if it otherwise would, dumb cultural traits like this are typically regarded as 'normal' even if they're stupid- this nonsense is just like believing in stupid religious dogma for no reason.
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A shink who joined the Nazi party! Ohhhh right, so I should listen to HIS diagnosis about how looking at patterns is a psychological condition...? LOL.
Nice straw man and ad hominem- both irrelevant. In any case, joining the party after the war, expecially for a licensed professional, was quite different than joining before the rise of the party, or in its early days. Many professionals were essentially required to join the party to continue their career.
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How do you KNOW what this conspiracy of yours looks like? What do these 11-ers do? There is no physical evidence for their existence!
No only that, 11's bound to be the most common two digit number by Benford's law. In whole numbers, the lower the least signifigant digit's value, the more likely it is to occur in non-random data (i.e. real world figures, such as the alphabetical possition of a letter in a word, et cet)
Of course, this is something that could easily be detected and excluded if zzripz could figure out what method(s) you need to use to determine the 'secret info' (then it would just be a matter of a simple controlled experiment), but since he refuses to answer these questions and apparently makes up the rules as he goes along, this is the kind of garbage that you get.
And these guys wonder why nobody finds their claims credible...
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But I already have, but you seem blind to it and that is not my fault.
Yes it is, you've been asked several times to disclose the technique(s) and you've replied with fallacy and dishonest tactics.
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Argument from ignorance, dude. One of your basic fallacies. With a healthy dollop of paranoia thrown in.
Yeah, if you read his posts, almost every one contains multiple logical fallacies. His points are not backed up by any honest argument, but the fallacies keep pilling on.
The ones he uses often include straw man arguments, appeals to incredulity, equivocating, and all manner of misdirection/red herrings. You gotta wonder how someone could reconcile their position with their inability to defend it without using dishonest tricks like this.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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No, I like that argument. It's actually a perfect example to explain my position with. Visionary Tools' argument to me seems to go like this:
Facts A, B, and C could be explained by Theory X.
Theory X would also imply Z.
Therefore, it's possible that Z.
Importantly, his facts (Washington, D.C. is laid out in a pentagram shape, the height of the Washington monument) are verifiable - I can look at a map or an encyclopedia to check these things out myself (or get in a helicopter/grab a ruler if I want to be absolutely sure). Also importantly, a good chunk of his argument goes towards elaborating on why his theory (that some of the founding fathers and politicians since were freemasons (again, verifiable) and did these things for occulty, freemasonry reasons) would make a good explanation of his facts. And most importantly, he knows that his theory isn't airtight so he tempers his conclusion. This is the moneyshot:
You assume your self a very logical person don't you? I can tell. I actually am not of that type. I HATE all that if a means b, then c crap, and infact the Trivium (heard if it? you MUST have) leaves me cold. I was part of their cult for a while but when I started questioning them too much was banned. I think all this pseudo-logic fascism oppresses real exploration. AND it excludes 'peasants'--real people with all its high falluted 'over educated' shite. It is like legalize, designed to totally befuddle people and rip them off. So no I dont trust it. I like to feel I am just being as honest as I can in sharing ideas. I admit I can be bold, but that is my personality. Of course you have the freedom to lay your logic-trip fest on me, but I also have the freedom to not be either impressed or intimidated by it.
OKAY, having explained my major difference with your style, I will say logically that what you say makes no sense to me. You can understand what he says but not connect with what I am saying? Makes no sense, and the more you try and explian the more nonesensical it will appear.
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is it so hard to believe that they do things on auspicious dates, to create some sort of magical feedback/resonance?
Right. There. He is agreeing with me! He is saying--can you not log8ically see? Do you not have intuition to see this? And then.....sadly....predictably, not:
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He doesn't go beyond his evidence. He doesn't say that politicians do do things on auspicious dates; he says they might. He doesn't even say things like that the pentagram shape and the height of the monument must be due to masonic design because he knows that it's entirely possible those things are just a coincidence, and the links between freemasonry and the occult and between the occult and Egyptian mythology are somewhat tenuous anyway. The fact that he keeps his conclusion limited because of this makes all the difference. This is what I see you doing:
- Making up facts***
- Explaining these facts with a theory you assert is true
- Claiming that these facts therefore prove your theory
This is an entirely different process, and it's not logically valid. You're assuming your conclusion in your premises, which is (yet again) a fallacy known as begging the question. Let me give you an example of you doing it so you can see what I mean:
what can I say, get a room?
Thing is dude. In order to explain to people like you who don't seem to get it, I would have to type for a bleedin week to fill you in. In other words I am aware of stuff I guess you are not. So when I explore bits of it, people like yourself appear and assume that I only not this bit and not other bits. But in order to explain how all this is linked with other stuff it becomes a book.
When you say 'just coincidence'. You debumkers love to assume that don't you? You are oblivious to control freakiness of the people who design these buildings, monuments, mass blood rituals, wars, etc. And yet in the next breath show your own control freakiness with your logic rules you want to dissect evey sentence another says you dont agree with. LOL. Coinicdence? Some body in power said 'in politics there IS no coincidence' or words to that affect
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Your facts are that there are various magickal numbers associated with 9/11, which is fine, but then you immediately decide that "They [the 9/ll hijackers] obviously have Crowley as their prophet." First off, no, it's not obvious. But even if you think it is, did you see what happened there? Did you see what switch flipped in your argument?
But I have to ask,how do you KNOW it is not obvious? I don't know anything about you or what you know. All I know is you appearing in the Debunk This thread and then appearing here after talking about this thread there, and then coming here and imposing your 'diagnosis' on me and your trivium. Have you read any Crowley? Have you read this book Prophet of Evil: Aleister Crowley, 9/11 and the New World Order Have you listened to any interviews he has had? Just curious. I mean what research have you dont to say "no it is not obvious"?
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You've taken evidence, decided that it obviously supported your theory, and then gone back and used your theory to explain why that same evidence is the sort of evidence you claim it is (i.e., these number connections aren't just coincidences). That's backwards. It's like you did this:
Person 1: I hear ghosts tapping on the window!
Person 2: How do you know there's ghosts out there?
Person 1: Well if they weren't out there, how could they be tapping on the window?
Like IO say, the other connection I know, in order to relay them to others, this thread would become a book. For a start I see the underlying problem as being the patriarchy, and this shit goes back hundreds and hundreds of years and goes very deep in the psyche. That is what I mean by they are destroying the planet, because they have cut themselves off from soul/feeling, and all their 'magick' is part OF that. The need to control over everything and our consciousnesses. That is how I am seeing the problem. It encompasses their mythological, philosophical,occultist, religious, and secular systems.
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Look, all of that aside - your intentions might not be coming through clearly - pretending none of that matters, there's only one possible logically valid way I can think of constructing your general argument, and this is it:
(1)The name of the NDAA, various things associated with 9/11, etc. add up to 11.
(2)The facts in (1), either on their own or taken in combination, are impossibly unlikely unless a magickal conspiracy related to the work of Aleister Crowley exists.
(3)Impossibly unlikely things do not exist.
(4)Therefore, there is a magickal conspiracy related to the work of Aleister Crowley.
You do seem to be arguing this from time to time, but while this may be valid, it's also wrong, because (2) is not true. There are many, many bills that have titles that numerologically add up to 11. There are many, many flights each day numbered AA[something that adds up to 11]. Many, many names have 11 letters in them. Hell, there were even other sets of towers out there in 2001 that looked like an 11:
Admittedly there are, but we are talking about 9/11--the whole gestalt of that event, and the numbers and symbolism to do with that event. There is much more than the buildings looking like an 11, but I dont expect you to be aware of that, because you seem to be off on your own tangent/barking up the wrong tree.
Captain JESUS I evens quotes ya a quote from Crowley even mentioning the number 11, and how because a magickal word has eleven letters it is relevant, but evean THAT nuggest doesn't take the blinkers of yus. Whats one to do? LOL All I can say from reading you in action is that yer blinded by your interpretation of logic, and have no insight
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And because all these things are so common, it's not even unlikely that there would be some connections like those, and it wouldn't be very unlikely even if we found a few more events like this.
So do it. At Least I have put MY money where me mouth is. Countless times in this thread I have presented numerological examples, links etc. All I am getting at from your gang is mainly words on words trying to intimidate me with the trivium. Try and make either 29th December 2011 or 30th December 2011 work out as both 9/11 or 11? WITHOUT any fancy multiplication, or division? Just in the way I did with 31st December 2011--to remind you this is what I did@
31/12/2011 either 31122=9 (leaving the 'master number' standing 11) hence 9/11; or counting all digits together, 3112211 = 11
If it is so common, why cant I work out that on the two preceeding dates of Obama's signing of the NDAA, which also you can work out same?
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The bottom line is this: the fact that you haven't ever responded to the assertion that these things aren't unlikely is a major, major flaw in your argument. People aren't deciding not to believe your argument because they're ignoring the evidence; they're deciding not to believe your argument because they think your argument that your evidence supports your theory is wrong.
Who are 'these people'? You and prisoner and john234? That is yous and their problem if they cannot see the evidence or argument for the evidence I am sharing here. Is it a coincidence that you are 'your people' all seem to believe the absurd official 9/11 conspiracy theory? Could that be a reason you cannot grasp this aspect of that event? Actually to be fair, its not ONLY the 9/11 debumnkers who often have a hard time with this even weirder shit as you can see here with Alex Jones's reaction:
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***In a sense, this characterization is unfair. Unequivocally there is an algorithm for converting the letters in NDAA into numbers and adding those letters up to get 11, and so in a way it's a "fact" that NDAA adds up to 11. But we haven't been told what your algorithm is, and it seems to everyone here that the method changes from time to time in order for you to get the result you want. So in one sense, sure, all these things you've pointed out do add up to 11, and in another, more compelling sense, you're making s*** up.
Put it this way, I haven't got an algorithim book in one hand and typing with the other. In a same way I dont have a trivium logic book in one hand when I converse with others either.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Importantly, his facts (Washington, D.C. is laid out in a pentagram shape, the height of the Washington monument) are verifiable - I can look at a map or an encyclopedia to check these things out myself
not quite a pentagram, as I said, you have to do a little extra to get the
pentagram. add some things that arent already there. same with the claim
of the compass and square, add some lines and you have it but it's not
there until you alter the map to make what you want
washington monument. gotta take away 5 1/8 inches to come up with the 6660
figure so the way this works is 'alter the fact to fit the concept'
http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/dc72.htm
Weighing 81,120 tons, the Washington Monument stands 555' 5-1/8" tall.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 2
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Who are 'these people'? You and prisoner and john234? That is yous and their problem if they cannot see the evidence or argument for the evidence I am sharing here.
you dont present evidence, you present conclusions. you dont discuss what
contradicts your conclusions, you obfuscate and make false claims of having
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I wish people would put this much effort into the political forum.
On real issus.
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
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And the wind blows it back again."
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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you dont present evidence,
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evidence (n.) Look up evidence at Dictionary.com
c.1300, "appearance from which inferences* may be drawn," from O.Fr. evidence, from L.L. evidentia "proof," originally "distinction, clearness," from L. evidentem (see evident). Meaning "ground for belief" is from late 14c., that of "obviousness" is 1660s. Legal senses are from c.1500, when it began to oust witness. As a verb, from c.1600. Related: Evidenced; evidencing. source
*infer (v.)
1520s, from L. inferre "bring into, carry in; deduce, infer, conclude, draw an inference; bring against," from in- "in" (see in- (2)) + ferre "carry, bear," from PIE *bher- (1) "to bear, to carry, to take" (cf. Skt. bharati "carries;" Avestan baraiti "carries;" O.Pers. barantiy "they carry;" Armenian berem "I carry;" Gk. pherein "to carry;" O.Ir. beru/berim "I catch, I bring forth;" Goth. bairan "to carry;" O.E., O.H.G. beran, O.N. bera "barrow;" O.C.S. birati "to take;" Rus. brat' "to take," bremya "a burden"). Sense of "draw a conclusion" is first attested 1520s.
According the etymology of the term I do, and I infer as well
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you present conclusions.
see definitions
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you dont discuss what
contradicts your conclusions,
Like what? And you are not a stranger to that accusation.
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you obfuscate and make false claims of having
done so
I think I am clear and don't obfuscate. I cannot beclearer than demonstrating my numerological working out of NDAA (and other parts of that bill) and the date of the signing. And I have addressed your concerns about it--ie., why zeros are dropped etc, and why I would leave 11 standing cause it's a 'master number', but how by adding the ones that make up the 11 also will give the calculation of the number 11. So that from same abbreviation and the date of Obama's signing you can numerologically calculate either 9/11 or 11.
I have shown you a quote from Aleister Crowley, the self-proclaimed prophet of the new aeon saying how the number 11 "is the sacred number par excellence of the new Aeon"... is "the number of magick in itself"...and "is the number of the letters of the word ABRAHADABRA, which is the word of the Aeon."
I told you right at beginning of the thread I am not particularly trying to predict, but discovered that looking backwards you can do so. One could have deduced the likely day Obama would 'choose' to sign the document, for example.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I have shown you a quote from Aleister Crowley, the self-proclaimed prophet of the new aeon saying how the number 11 "is the sacred number par excellence of the new Aeon"... is "the number of magick in itself"...and "is the number of the letters of the word ABRAHADABRA, which is the word of the Aeon."
oh yeah... now I'm all convinced it's super duper legit
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I believe that you'll find that the people behind 9/11 had Mohammad as their prophet. But seriously, you can't just assume associations among things like that, even with much better evidence than the stuff you have. General Patton may have used military strategems that were in The Art of War, but this hardly means that he read the book or even knew who Sun Tzu was. The fact that "George Patton" can be represented as 7+5+15+18+7+5+16+1+20+20+15+14, which equals 143, and 1+4+3=8, and 8 is regarded as a lucky number in Chinese culture does nothing to make Patton's connection to Tzu more likely.
Oh myyyyyy. I see you believe in the offical 9/11 blockbuster reality show movie blockbuster. Oh, i am SO surprised. This one:
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If there were some sort of magickal conspiracy going on, they would be doing things other than 9/11, right? So where's the pattern? It may be unfair to force you to come up with the doings of a secret organization, but really, this would be a silly organization and the evidence for it is quite weak; hence the need for an actual pattern of events to go on. I can take any number/type of event combination you like and find a few that where there's a "connection." Hence the fact that you found one doesn't mean anything. That's what everyone's been trying to get you to realize.
Errr yes they sure have been/ARE doing more things than 9/11. The pattern is there when you stop being ignore-ant and/or un~conscious. As I have said there is far more complexity to it, and err let me ask you. How comes you put a thumbs up at the other poster telling you about the other symbolism, and numerology. How come you can accept that but not this or were you being sarcastic?...you call ME irrational?
I'll answer this one (I'm helping!)
It's probably because I'm not antagonistic. At least I try not to be, unless someone tells me to my face I'm wrong. I like people to come ot their own conclusions. Like they say, you can lead a donkey to water, but you can't make them drink.
Also that video is intense. I'm copypasting it.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Not really. People tend to just tune out what I say because it's not on the BBC (insert local flavour of muddystream media) and I don't do that thing that they do in newsrooms where they say:
"we have our expert with us on (subject X). Professor: Is (statement y) correct?"
"Well yes newsreader. Statement y is correct."
"There you have it, here's weather bimbo/ugly sports bloke with the weather/football"
But if I did do that, then suddenly I'd be twenty bijilion times more credible, because a real trustworthy source of information is in a half hour news format that includes ten minutes of sports and two of weather. And always with the "experts." Ohh! Bow down to the new priests, with their expertly ways. We mere mortals cannot suss their workings. Best to just follow them.
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LOL, I so know what you mean 
How I go to it when talking to people is realizing that both them and me we are not JUST conscious but we have an unconscious also. So when you meet people who are against what you say, if you yourself --at your time of learning (because we all learn and unlearn, etc)are into what your talking about---it may be because they are unconscious of the meaning. OR they could be deliberately disinfo. I also learn from the exchange too!
But I am also aware that what you say can affect your antagoinist at least on an unconscious level, and that others are also reading, or listening too. But I am not doing this in a controlling way like the control freaks. I am rather attempting to bring to consciousness what is being made unconscious to manipulate by control freaks. I do this for myself and others.
What I feel the control freaks in power do is they know people have been divided very much into conscious and unconscious beings, and so they use various means to affect their unconscious via propaganda and occultism. BOTH propaganda and occultism depend on the subject not being conscious what is being done to them. Edward Bernays who bragged about this in his book titled Propaganda said exactly this:
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The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society.
Our invisible governors are, in many cases, unaware of the identity of their fellow members in the inner cabinet.
They govern us by their qualities of natural leadership, their ability to supply needed ideas and by their key position in the social structure. Whatever attitude one chooses toward this condition, it remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons-a trifling fraction of our hundred and twenty million-who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world.
Now, the very term occultmeans "hidden":
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Some then may then say quite ironically, well how is it then you are talking about something 'hidden', believing that it mustn't be accessible at all. But it doesn't mean that. It means that even when visible it is not seen by those who are unconscious of it.
You can use an example of a magic trick. People can be up close when a good magician does a trick, and yet be unconscious of what s/he is doing. Just because they are unconscious of it doesn't mean the trick is totally hidden.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15696240 - 01/21/12 04:05 AM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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you know it's one of those things I don't read as it's horribly dry, like tradegy and hope by carol quigley, but I keep meaning to read about what edward bernaise did as he's one of those pivotal figures in history like francis bacon.
Now, I was going to say that their occult dealings are not very hidden in plain sight, but seeing as the majority posting here fob it off as coincidence theroy. I can see it plainly when there's some numerological tomfoolery but not everyone can, so the con job is working. Doing war in South Ossetia on 8-8-8 for example, then blaming it on the Russians and then later admitting "Well Georgia attacked first." and doing all this on the opening ceremony of the Chinese olympics.
Our given version of reality is an illusion, but a damn convincing one like the matrix. There's old stories of powerful wizards in the past, which faded out in the age of reason. I don't suspect they ever went away, just went underground.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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You assume your self a very logical person don't you? I can tell. I actually am not of that type. I HATE all that if a means b, then c crap, and infact the Trivium (heard if it? you MUST have) leaves me cold. I was part of their cult for a while but when I started questioning them too much was banned. I think all this pseudo-logic fascism oppresses real exploration. AND it excludes 'peasants'--real people with all its high falluted 'over educated' shite. It is like legalize, designed to totally befuddle people and rip them off. So no I dont trust it. I like to feel I am just being as honest as I can in sharing ideas. I admit I can be bold, but that is my personality. Of course you have the freedom to lay your logic-trip fest on me, but I also have the freedom to not be either impressed or intimidated by it.
OKAY, having explained my major difference with your style, I will say logically that what you say makes no sense to me. You can understand what he says but not connect with what I am saying? Makes no sense, and the more you try and explian the more nonesensical it will appear.
So wait, let me get this straight: your take-down of my argument is that it's logical and you don't like logic?
I almost have to respect you for that. That is a bold, bold position to take, and I salute you.
Just in general though, you should know that you are not going to convince many people who don't already agree with you if you can't use or understand logical argument. The whole point of logic is to allow people to figure out whose conclusions are correct and whose thought process has gone wrong. I assume you don't want others to think all this shit is made up, right?
One last thing, I did try to make this perfectly clear, but I guess logic obfusticated things: I understand perfectly what you're saying, but because your argument is full of fallacies it is wrong (VT's argument does not have these fallacies).
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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But I have to ask,how do you KNOW it is not obvious? I don't know anything about you or what you know. All I know is you appearing in the Debunk This thread and then appearing here after talking about this thread there, and then coming here and imposing your 'diagnosis' on me and your trivium.
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what is seriously hillarious is you imagine you [Pris] have offered some kind of reasonable argument in the other thread. Only in your head have you, and others who share your odd worldview where you choose to not see patterns right in front of your eyes. There's a saying which says 'there is nowt so blind as they who will not see'. So quite frankly your judgement is the last I would trust regarding this other very complex issue.
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gaaahhh, I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
hmmm, so are you applying your selected 'diagnosis' of my 'condition' to this thread about my views of UFOs etc, or the other thread I refer to about numerology? If the latter I suggest you make an appearance there and we will discuss it, because I don't want to derail thins thread.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa] 1
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Just in general though, you should know that you are not going to convince many people who don't already agree with you if you can't use or understand logical argument. The whole point of logic is to allow people to figure out whose conclusions are correct and whose thought process has gone wrong. I assume you don't want others to think all this shit is made up, right?
It should be abundantly clear at this point that the methods that zzripz and his confraternity are putting forth in this thread have nothing to do with science or logic, they're esoteric means for cementing things they already believe to be true.
In his way he's trying to enlighten us and he's speaking from a place of faith that he won't be dislodged from.
Just let it die. People believe weird shit.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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It should be abundantly clear at this point that the methods that zzripz and his confraternity are putting forth in this thread have nothing to do with science or logic, they're esoteric means for cementing things they already believe to be true.
In his way he's trying to enlighten us and he's speaking from a place of faith that he won't be dislodged from.
Just let it die. People believe weird shit.
I don't know, mostly I learn things by people pointing out when I'm wrong (and usually it takes weeks or months before it sinks in). Not a big chance of anything like that happening, but at any rate
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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I don't know, mostly I learn things by people pointing out when I'm wrong. Not a very big chance of anything like that happening, but at any rate
I sympathize 100%.
I've made and deleted at least three multi-paragraph replies to this thread.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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So wait, let me get this straight: your take-down of my argument is that it's logical and you don't like logic?
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mid-14c., "branch of philosophy that treats of forms of thinking," from O.Fr. logique, from L. (ars) logica, from Gk. logike (techne) "reasoning (art)," from fem. of logikos "pertaining to speaking or reasoning," from logos "reason, idea, word" (see logos). Meaning "logical argumentation" is from c.1600.
So it seems to start mid 14th century? Would you say people could reason far far more anciently than that? I am seriously asking you that, because when I said 'logic' I wasn't meaning I can't reason. Obviously I am using reason, but what I am not attracted to is the so-called rules of logic coming from the overly educated elitist Trivium (heard of it?), wheere those briefed in it will try and dissect what your saying accusing you of doing this or that 'against logic'. I said that i find this a barrier to real conversation, and it excludes those in trhe community that dont know all that shit and yet has as much right to debate about issues as anyone else.
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I almost have to respect you for that. That is a bold, bold position to take, and I salute you.
Only because i think you misunderstood me? lol
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Just in general though, you should know that you are not going to convince many people who don't already agree with you if you can't use or understand logical argument. The whole point of logic is to allow people to figure out whose conclusions are correct and whose thought process has gone wrong. I assume you don't want others to think all this shit is made up, right?
Well that is just it. I do not HAVE to know your 'rules of logic' to know what i think is right or wrong about what is being discussed.
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One last thing, I did try to make this perfectly clear, but I guess logic obfusticated things: I understand perfectly what you're saying, but because your argument is full of fallacies it is wrong (VT's argument does not have these fallacies).
OK, only the term fallacy: fallacy
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late 15c., "deception, false statement," from L. fallacia "deception," noun of quality from fallax (gen. fallacis) "deceptive," from fallere "deceive" (see fail). Specific sense in logic dates from 1550s. An earlier form was fallace (c.1300), from O.Fr. fallace.
LOL this term seems to arrive with the 'start of philosophical logic' doesn't it? I do not deceive, but explain what I reason and feel about. Only YOU judge me to be deceiving because you choose to belong to the cult of the trivium. I greatly distrust that high-falluting club of philosophers. In fact I am not that mad ON philosophy at all.
But I also dont want to derail this thread for what it is about. If you wanna talk about philosophy, the trivium, logic etc start a thread in the appropriate forum and I may join in
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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I don't know, mostly I learn things by people pointing out when I'm wrong
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I don't know, mostly I learn things by people pointing out when I'm wrong
and how exactly do you know they're right
I don't know. When I change my opinions it is usually because I have consciously or unconsciously decided over a long while that someone else's opinions were right. Usually this happens because I discover a fallacy in my argument, but sometimes it is because I have decided that my premises were unlikely to be true. Occasionally it is just because I am having sex with the person who disagrees with me. Is that sufficiently nuanced?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15710823 - 01/24/12 08:28 AM (4 months, 3 days ago) |
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OK, I watched a video in another thread where this young dude with a fringe covering his eyes claims he used to be into Freemasonry and Thelema but now is a born agin Christian and wants war against these evil doers. In his rant he mentions Abaddon, remember reading this name in connection with 9/11 so I searched it and was reminded on this:
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As a Mason goes through the 32 degrees of the Scottish rite, he ends up giving worship to every Egyptian pagan god, the gods of Persia, gods of India, Greek gods, Babylonian gods, and others. As you come to the 17th degree, the Masons claim that they will give you the password that will give him entrance at the judgment day to the Masonic deity, the great architect of the universe. It is very interesting that this secret password is "Abaddon".
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REVELATION 9:11 They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon. (NASB) Abaddon and Apollyon both mean "destroyer." The 'angel' of the Abyss (Hell) is really the chief demon whose name is Abaddon. Masons claim then, that the diety they worship is Abaddon! WHO IS THE "DESTROYER"? [source]
Abbadon, also Appolyon is shown here attacking a Christian~~
Now that source is coming from a Christian perspective, and therefore shares the same worlview of possible Satanists, or Luciferians, or Masons bringing about the 9/11 blood and fire ritual as sacrefice to their god Abaddon, but this still of course needs looking at closely EVEn if you think it all nuts, and outta your comfort zone. PLAY with this and see where it takes ya.
So, the day is known as 9/11 and the possible people behind it will include Crowley and the Freemasons (Crowley was a 33rd degree freemason), and their deity is Abaddon WHO is mentioned in verse 9/11 of Relevations...? Hmmm
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I was shocked to learn that in Aleister Crowley's (known as satanist to some) Book Of The Law I read line 60, of Chapter One:
"My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us. The Five Pointed Star, with a Circle in the Middle, & the circle is Red. My colour is black to the blind, but the blue & gold are seen of the seeing. Also I have a secret glory for them that love me."
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So what do I mean if I say that I am not coming from a Christian perspective when looking at this?
Well, just say that the 9/11 is a Satanic ritual to bring about the Anti-Christ. Now there are two ways of looking at this, either the inner-group are both responsible for the Judeo-Christian myth and its so-called rebellious Satanists, or the Satainists genuinely want to crush Christianity. Could both be right? yes. But what we know for sure that either way BOTH share the very same worldview. I don't. I see through their 'game' to both their patriarchal roots. Just thought I would make that clear.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Ohh, nice find Zzripz. I looked it up, there it is.
Then again, I suspect the book of revelation was a recent invention, by those in the know. That way when you have "no buying nor selling without the mark" people will ohh and ahh "cos look, it sez so in the bible."
Can't have more fair warning than that. I wonder why they have that rule of telling people what they're going to do before doing it?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Now that source is coming from a Christian perspective, and therefore shares the same worlview of possible Satanists, or Luciferians, or Masons bringing about the 9/11 blood and fire ritual as sacrefice to their god Abaddon
why are the masons listed as satanists/luciferians, what evidence
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Now that source is coming from a Christian perspective, and therefore shares the same worlview of possible Satanists, or Luciferians, or Masons bringing about the 9/11 blood and fire ritual as sacrefice to their god Abaddon
why are the masons listed as satanists/luciferians, what evidence
backs this or that this act was a sacrifice to abaddon
As I keep stressing, this is very complex, so please bear that in mind. I am going to preface the quotes etc with my critique of the Christian researchers from where they have been copied.
This is the worldview these researchers come from to begin with:
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you must decide whether to follow Jesus Christ or Freemasonry. Your eternal destination is at stake.
They have nu understanding of the their own belief system, and so I have to include looking at them as well as looking at what theyu are researching. it doesn't mean what they find out about Freemasonry is wrong though, it means that there conclusions of what this may mean is wrong.
These Christians equate ALL of paganism and even witchcraft with their understanding of Satanism or Luciferianism, and this is false. They don't understand that the Western occult system drives from the Judea Christian mindset and Hellenic mystery schools. These mindsets are completely different from genuine Goddess religion and earth-based Paganism, but they--in their passion to uncover 'evil' will; include any belief system which contradicts their christian faith as being of the 'Devil/Satan/Lucifer'. Is this very clear? If not let me know and I will try and explain better.
So alright, looking at their research connecting freeemasony with Satanism/luciferianism
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"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]
PIKE'S TYPICAL SATANIC PHRASE -- OUT WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE
Pike then gives concrete evidence of Freemason's worship of Satan/Lucifer on the very front of the cover of Morals and Dogma ! Below the round seal of "God", Pike writes a phrase written in Latin, which proves to be a typical Satanic phrase. One look at this phrase would alert any Satanist that the contents of this book are Satanic! A Satanist would also understand immediately that all of Freemasonry is Satanic.
What is this phrase? "DEUS MEUMQUE JUS" The literal meaning is "God and My Right"
Doc Marquis says this statement is a very typical one within Satanism. It has two meanings, one within the other. First, this phrase means that the Freemason can depend upon their God to determine their Right and Justice. Secondly, since the God of Freemasonry is Lucifer, Masons are saying that they are "using occult methods", through Lucifer, to achieve their Rights and Justice. Marquis says that this phrase is very powerful and very dangerous within Satanism. The second a Satanist sees this phrase in Latin on Pike's book, he knows the material within is Satanism, without reading a word!
"SEETHING ENERGIES OF LUCIFER WITHIN YOUR HANDS"!
"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion , which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48; Emphasis Added]
...note that Hall and Reynold E. Blight are 33rd Degree Masons, while the Illustrator is 32nd Degree. Macoy Publishing Company is also one of the most respected of all Masonic Publishing Houses.
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THE INFERNAL NAMES
By now, even the most hardened of skeptics should be convinced that Freemasonry is Lucifer/Satan worship. However, for those who may still need more convincing, let us consider the Infernal Names by which Masonry masks its many references to Satan. In the Satanic Bible, we see 77 names by which pagans have referred to Satan over the centuries. Let us quickly review some of the "Infernal Names" of Satanism found within Masonry. [Satanic Bible, Anton LaVey, p. 144-46]
We shall list the Freemason teaching on each of these names, and then the explanation.
Baphomet -- "The Gnostics held that it [universal agent] composed the igneous [pertaining to fire] body of the Holy Spirit, and it was adored in the secret rites of the Sabbat or the Temple under the hieroglyphic figure of Baphomet or the hermaphroditic goat of Mendes ." [Pike, op. cit., p. 734, teaching of the 28th Degree; Emphasis added]
We find it absolutely incredible that the Freemasons should portray the Holy Spirit with the Satanic symbol, Baphomet !
This symbol was created by one of the foremost Satanists and Freemasons of all time, Eliphas Levi.
Then, we discovered that Baphomet is officially approved as a symbol of the Church of Satan [The Occult Emporium, Winter , 1993-1994, p. 54] and that it is worn by the Priest of Satan [Ibid., 1990-1991, p. 26]
Since Albert Pike linked Baphomet with the Goat of Mendes
Pan -- "... Satan is not a black god, but negation of God ... this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good, but which may represent evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force ... under the mythologic and horned form of the God Pan; thence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer ..." [Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 102]
Since The Satanic Bible lists Pan as one of the Infernal Names of Satan, we need to look further into the Occult for more information on Pan. However, we now know that, from Pan came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Serpent, and the Light-bearer, [Lucifer] , because Albert Pike, the #1 Freemason of all history, has just told us!
you must decide whether to follow Jesus Christ or Freemasonry. Your eternal destination is at stake.
As we have demonstrated, Freemasonry is "identical to the Mysteries "; therefore, Masonry is identical to the Egyptian gods from which the God of the Bible freed the Israelites, and identical to the gods of the Amorites, against whom Joshua was railing.
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Now here I must explain also. The ancient god Pan is really a god that combines animal and human. These old gods pre-date the patriarchal world view of a duality between spirit and nature, hence they were earth-based and deeply respected nature, animals, and community. But the occultists have used this very ancient image of a horned god for their own purposes which are NOT earth based or benign as their actions reveal. You know em by their actions.
So what I am saying is that there was a phase whereby people who wosrshipped a Goddess also would imagine her son/lover was a Horned God, and this god represented nature, and also psychedelic vegetations. it was NOT understood to be Satan/Lucifer/Devil because all of that is the Christian worldview, and the occult shares that worldview. So for example, if I hate 'Christ' as a 'Satanist', this means I must pre-believe the Christian worldview so as to rebel against it, right?
So there is a vast difference between a horned god who is the son/lover of the Goddess and a horned god who is a fallen angel who rebels against 'God'.
When I began reading these Christian sites who research about this I would try and contact them, but they would never reply, because they are caught up in their worldview where they see their role as a battle against the 'Devil', and if they lose they will suffer eternal damnation. THAT is a worldview, as is the Satanic one of defeating Christ and being immortal through one's own will. See the sorry game going on?
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I am a Mason and the shit you are talking about, 9/11 conspiracies including Masons is just the dumbest shit I've have ever heard regarding us, and I have heard some dumb shit. We worship the devil? We were involved in 9/11? I'm not going to comment back on any trolling as I know some morons will write back even dumber shit. Masons are truly good people, maybe using google isn't the best way to research something. I'm blown away that someone can be that stupid.
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And I know some of you are going to write back with the usual "you don't know what the higher ups are hiding from you" and "do you think they tell you everything". I am VERY involved in the lodge and that's not what's happening. You all will ask "well how do you know they're telling you everything". Well letme ask you this. How in the hell do you all think you know more about Masons than an actual Mason knows? If you all thought these last two messages were sort of angry, you don't know the kind of ignorance I've dealt with on this subject.
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I know you masons follow rules. well the rules here is you dont call anyone "stupid". So follow them!
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So it's ok to say we worship the devil though? It's ok to say Masons had a part in 9/11? As long as that's allowed I'll call the people who say that stupid
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the rules here are supposed to be (though they only seem to get in your face when the one breaking doesn't share the same worldview with the mods in charge), that you CAN very well call isms, other beliefs, ideas, etc, and even people non present whatever you fukin like but not insult members.
Now I tried to report your post but got message that the mods already know about this thread, buit if you persist i will simply click the ignore button which will make you disappear and then will freely explore what I am doing in this thread.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Did you get all upset when they said all the non-sense about the Masons? No? Well it's something I believe in and I'll stand up for. If I am breaking the rules of this site by calling them stupid then I fully understand that it's wrong even if I feel they brought it on their self. As for telling the mods, go ahead I won't lose any sleep over it, but I won't call them stupid but they are ignorant. I would suggest you ignore me cause I don't care all that much.
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Did you get all upset when they said all the non-sense about the Masons? No? Well it's something I believe in and I'll stand up for. If I am breaking the rules of this site by calling them stupid then I fully understand that it's wrong even if I feel they brought it on their self. As for telling the mods, go ahead I won't lose any sleep over it, but I won't call them stupid but they are ignorant. I would suggest you ignore me cause I don't care all that much.
No, breaking rules does not get me upset actually. I wish there weren't any rules. But I dont see why if there are, and I have been warned before for much less, that me being called stupid should be over-looked.
You know also just to add. There are Christians that use this forum, and their belief system will get some stick too...etc etc, so get used to it. It is all about asking question. THAT is what I am doing, and I will do it!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Did you get all upset when they said all the non-sense about the Masons? No? Well it's something I believe in and I'll stand up for. If I am breaking the rules of this site by calling them stupid then I fully understand that it's wrong even if I feel they brought it on their self. As for telling the mods, go ahead I won't lose any sleep over it, but I won't call them stupid but they are ignorant. I would suggest you ignore me cause I don't care all that much.
No, breaking rules does not get me upset actually. I wish there weren't any rules. But I dont see why if there are, and I have been warned before for much less, that me being called stupid should be over-looked.
You know also just to add. There are Christians that use this forum, and their belief system will get some stick too...etc etc, so get used to it. It is all about asking question. THAT is what I am doing, and I will do it!
I don't mind if Christians get grief too. Your missing the point, people bad mouthing what I believe in, I have every right morally to speak up, even if it breaks the rules here. If someone broke in your home and you shot them, you would be breaking the law, but that didn't mean they didn't deserve it. Sometimes you gotta put your own beliefs on the top priority list.
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You don't care about the rules but been called out for less? Why are you calling me out then? Troll.
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Why are people considering MAC? Why don't people get linux. It never crashes, it's free, all software for it's free. AND YOU STILL HAVE YOUR RIGHT CLICK! Fuck Microsoft and fuck MAC! Can't top the iPod though.
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Because you broke the rules dude?
But I am not carrying on with this and derailing my thread.
If you continue and are not moderated if you call me stupid or whatever, I will ignore you.
I have every right to question any belief system, and will not be intimidated from doing so. If you dont like that, then maybe you should go and join a freemasonry forum where you all praise each other and your beliefs.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15723951 - 01/27/12 05:54 AM (4 months, 6 hours ago) |
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It's not questioning my beliefs when it's said that we had something to do with 9/11 or that we believe in the devil. If I said(but I'm not it's just an example) I wonder if you family is trash? That's not questions your beliefs, it's just pure stupid.
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I'm not just trying to ruffle feathers, I maybe could of used a better choice of words when referring to the INCORRECT beliefs of our fraternity. I'm not trying to offend you, but if you think that about Masons then your BELIEFS are stupid. I'll let you get back to your thread, I'm not going to comment back in this thread again. By the way quit threatening to ignore me and just do it.
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And I know some of you are going to write back with the usual "you don't know what the higher ups are hiding from you" and "do you think they tell you everything". I am VERY involved in the lodge and that's not what's happening. You all will ask "well how do you know they're telling you everything". Well letme ask you this. How in the hell do you all think you know more about Masons than an actual Mason knows? If you all thought these last two messages were sort of angry, you don't know the kind of ignorance I've dealt with on this subject.
HOW "very involved in the lodge are you"? What degree are you?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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You made the point that I'm derailing your thread, your more than welcome to PM me, but I'm not going to continually get threatened by you reporting me to the mods and that your going to ignore me.
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So it's ok to say we worship the devil though? It's ok to say Masons had a part in 9/11? As long as that's allowed I'll call the people who say that stupid
when he's commenting on a group such as the occupy movement and calling the
group as a whole a bunch of retards, not that he would but I certainly do as
often as possible, it's not flaming. if he or yourself were to call an
individual here stupid such as in "hey pris, you're a retarded ass hat" that
would be flaming. your comment being "I cant believe someone can be that
stupid" wasnt directed at any specific member but it appears more directed at
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15725656 - 01/27/12 02:57 PM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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The Pentagonhas 11 letters, And forms the pattern for the Satanic pentagram:
Order of the Eastern Star
War, and 9/11, Medals of Honor
The Satanic Pentagram
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 2
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Jesus, it's just a freakin star.
You are reading WAY too into things. But I guess if that's all you can manage to do with your time, who am I to pass judgement?
I too have had crazy illogical obsessions too, mostly playing Sim City 4 for days at a time.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: WakeboardrB]
#15728005 - 01/28/12 01:30 AM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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well hmm,this subject and post,sure nuff attracted YOU!
I just looked at your posts and EVERYone has been in the PUB forums with posting in this forum thread being the ONLY diversion from your usual pattern.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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History of the Satanic Pentagram
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A pentagram (sometimes known as a pentalpha or pentangle or, more formally, as a star pentagon) is the shape of a five-pointed star drawn with five straight strokes. The word pentagram comes from the Greek word πεντάγραμμον (pentagrammon),[1] a noun form of πεντάγραμμος (pentagrammos) or πεντέγραμμος (pentegrammos), a word meaning roughly "five-lined" or "five lines", from πέντε (pente), "five"[2] + γραμμή (grammē), "line".[3]
Satanism
A goat's head inscribed in a downward-pointing pentagram, from La Clef de la Magie Noire by the Rosicrucian Stanislas de Guaita (1897).
Satanists use a pentagram with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram. This is referred to as the Sigil of Baphomet. They use it much the same way as the Pythagoreans, as Tartaros literally translates from Greek as a "Pit" or "Void" in Christian terminology (the word is used as such in the Bible, referring to the place where the fallen angels are fettered). The Pythagorean Greek letters are most often replaced by the Hebrew letters לויתן forming the name Leviathan. Less esoteric LaVeyan Satanists use it as a sign of rebellion or religious identification, the three downward points symbolising rejection of the holy Trinity.
[edit] Thelema
Aleister Crowley also made use of the pentagram and in his Thelemic system of magick: an adverse or inverted pentagram represents the descent of spirit into matter, according to the interpretation of Lon Milo DuQuette.[33] Crowley contradicted his old comrades in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, who, following Levi, considered this orientation of the symbol evil and associated it with the triumph of matter over spirit.
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In the 19th century Eliphas Levi [who was a Freemason] taught "that with two points down it was the symbol of God, with one point down, it was that of the Devil"4.
According to Akron, the inverted pentacle means 'victory of matter over spirit'1.
Aleister Crowley used it similarly "to signify the descent of spirit into matter"5.
Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan, describes the two anterior points as 'an attack on heaven'. It is an attack on the concept that Human Beings are toys of any god; a creation of any being or that there exists any being we should worship just because it exists; the Satanist reserves this privilege for himself only. LaVey also describes the posterior & two lateral points as a "denial of the trinity", referring to the Christian concept of the Trinity, codified in the 4th century. I prefer not to refer specifically to Christian doctrines and sometimes summarize the two lateral points as representing "two feet on the Earth"; i.e.; Belial. The attack on heaven & the right-hand-path is representative of Lucifer.
The inverted pentacle is a materialistic, human-centered symbol that like Satan represents a rejection of spiritual pipe-dreams such as heaven, and an embrace of the carnal and real elements of life.
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I errrr dont think this symbol is 'Jesus its just a star'.....? They USE it for a purpose, and you can see how those who use this symbol in this way are connected in belief.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15728622 - 01/28/12 08:32 AM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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You see, you find stuff as I have just now--when you explore. I had known about the two beams that were directed atthe sky from Ground Zero, but that was that. But I have just found out that this work was by two artists Julian LaVerdiere and Paul Myoda, along with architects John Bennett and Gustavo Bonevardi. So I just searching the first artists name out in google images and see this creation of theirs:
creators: Julian Laverdiere and Paul Myoda
Community: Cities afflicted by light pollution
Project: Synthetic star
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The designers of the magnificent Tribute in Light memorial for the World Trade Center turned their attention to urban night blindness: the blankness of the city skies. Urban Lodestar is a light-emitting five-pointed star designed to float serenely above a city center and pulse gently at the same rate as a resting heart to calm the city folk below. Lodestar hovers with the aid of helium-filled polymer balloons; propellant tanks and directional boosters attached to a GPS-equipped positioning system keep it from going AWOL. During the day, photovoltaic film panels harness energy from the Sun and store it in batteries; at night, electroluminescent strips in the shape of a star glow with that stored energy. Graphite composite struts provide stability, and a battery-powered xenon strobe creates the pulsing effect. Intermittent green flashes differentiate the Urban Lodestar from natural celestial bodies.
PLEASE dont tell me your eyes didn't open or your mouth didn't fall open...?!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I think when he says, "Jesus, it's just a star" he means, "Jesus, it's just a star. It's not a masonic symbol."
You'll find that people like stars and that they show up everywhere.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15729687 - 01/28/12 02:00 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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I have discovered evidence that India is involved in a plot with the Zionists:
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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In fact, as everyone knows the father of the atomic bomb, J. Robert Oppenheimer, was a Jew. And very revealingly, when the atomic bomb was first tested he recited these words from the Bhagavad Gita, an ancient Hindu text:
"Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
Now, the Jews are the inventors of Gematria, which is the practice of assigning numbers to letters from the Hebrew alphabet and using the letters to find codes and symbolism. If we do this to the word "Oppenheimer", which has 11 letters...oh shit.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15729795 - 01/28/12 02:24 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Question: why do you think the Church of Satan chose The Pentagram with the two points sticking up for their symbol?
and try and keep in mind other information about it I have pasted in this thread
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Answer: The two points at the top of the symbol and the one below represent the two horns and chin of Baphomet, who is a pagan deity often mistaken for or conflated with Satan. The Pentagram represents intellectual omnipotence and autocracy.
Source: http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/BaphometSigil.html
My point is that it took all of 31 minutes of googling to find all the info in my threads and write the posts. If you want to find "connections" it's really not hard.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15730085 - 01/28/12 03:41 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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In fact, as everyone knows the father of the atomic bomb, J. Robert Oppenheimer, was a Jew. And very revealingly, when the atomic bomb was first tested he recited these words from the Bhagavad Gita, an ancient Hindu text:
"Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
Now, the Jews are the inventors of Gematria, which is the practice of assigning numbers to letters from the Hebrew alphabet and using the letters to find codes and symbolism. If we do this to the word "Oppenheimer", which has 11 letters...oh shit.
It's even worse than we thought!
Using the zzripz patented "make it up as you go along" numerical analysis methodology, which he's been so kind to demonstrate for us all, I've analyzed his prior post regarding the artificial star and discovered the illuminatti jew taliban are behind that too!
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You see, you find stuff as I have just now--when you explore. I had known about the two beams that were directed atthe sky from Ground Zero, but that was that. But I have just found out that this work was by two artists Julian LaVerdiere and Paul Myoda, along with architects John Bennett and Gustavo Bonevardi. So I just searching the first artists name out in google images and see this creation of theirs:
We can see the zionist masons infiltrated the star project as well! Take a look at the names of the creators, you can see that one of each team was a zionist mason:
Paul Myoda and John Bennett
Paul Myoda= 9 letters
John Bennett= 11 letters
That's 9/11 folks! 
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Now, the Jews are the inventors of Gematria, which is the practice of assigning numbers to letters from the Hebrew alphabet and using the letters to find codes and symbolism. If we do this to the word "Oppenheimer", which has 11 letters...oh shit.
and what's the code for Oppenheimer and all these other names that total 11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15730904 - 01/28/12 06:43 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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OMG, if you combine my last name which has 9 letters in it with my first and middle name which total 11, you have 9/11.
Holy shit, I had no idea I was behind the plot to take down the WTC and blow up the Pentagon.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Answer: The two points at the top of the symbol and the one below represent the two horns and chin of Baphomet, who is a pagan deity often mistaken for or conflated with Satan. The Pentagram represents intellectual omnipotence and autocracy.
Source: http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/BaphometSigil.html
My point is that it took all of 31 minutes of googling to find all the info in my threads and write the posts. If you want to find "connections" it's really not hard.
Don't be patronizing and presumptious.
If you agree that the position of the Pentagram is 'definately' Baphomet and not Satan, whey then why doesn't the Church of Satan call itself the Church of Baphomet?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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A discussion concerning the symbolism of pentagrams is contained in Eliphas Lévi’s Dogme et Rituel de la haute magie (1855-56 & 61, translated into English by A. E. Waite under the title Transcendental Magic). There are no accompanying illustrations. Here is the English translation of the quote:
Chapter 5—The Blazing Pentagram
The Pentagram, which in Gnostic schools is called the Blazing Star, is the sign of intellectual omnipotence and autocracy. It is the Star of the Magi; it is the sign of the Word made flesh; and, according to the direction of its points, this absolute magical symbol represents order or confusion, the Divine Lamb of Ormuz and St. John, or the accursed goat of Mendes. It is initiation or profanation; it is Lucifer or Vesper, the star of morning or evening. It is Mary or Lilith, victory or death, day or night. The Pentagram with two points in the ascendant represents Satan as the goat of the Sabbath; when one point is in the ascendant, it is the sign of the Saviour. By placing it in such a manner that two of its points are in the ascendant and one is below, we may see the horns, ears and beard of the hierarchic Goat of Mendes, when it becomes the sign of infernal evocations. [source
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...and the goat of Mendes itself is often conflated with Baphomet. What is it you're trying to prove here?
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Well I didn't believe you at first but now I do. Every person, building, and culture all worship Satan. It's so clear now. All this time I was blind but now I can see.
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Why are people considering MAC? Why don't people get linux. It never crashes, it's free, all software for it's free. AND YOU STILL HAVE YOUR RIGHT CLICK! Fuck Microsoft and fuck MAC! Can't top the iPod though.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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...and the goat of Mendes itself is often conflated with Baphomet. What is it you're trying to prove here?
How do YOU personally define 'Satan'?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15733343 - 01/29/12 11:06 AM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Lord of all nations, Baal, Belzebub, Satan, Lucifer, God's Brother. It's all just names for the same force.
Hey Zzd's, you notice you haven't got anyone here asking any real questions, just mocking you and slicing things out of context and asking you to defend it?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15733356 - 01/29/12 11:08 AM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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You see, you find stuff as I have just now--when you explore. I had known about the two beams that were directed atthe sky from Ground Zero, but that was that. But I have just found out that this work was by two artists Julian LaVerdiere and Paul Myoda, along with architects John Bennett and Gustavo Bonevardi. So I just searching the first artists name out in google images and see this creation of theirs:
We can see the zionist masons infiltrated the star project as well! Take a look at the names of the creators, you can see that one of each team was a zionist mason:
Paul Myoda and John Bennett
Paul Myoda= 9 letters
John Bennett= 11 letters
That's 9/11 folks!
I like how despite that being totally sarcastic, that's still true. Gotta build up the magical number resonance in every way.
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Lord of all nations, Baal, Belzebub, Satan, Lucifer, God's Brother. It's all just names for the same force.
Hey Zzd's, you notice you haven't got anyone here asking any real questions, just mocking you and slicing things out of context and asking you to defend it?
oh yeah, lol, sure am
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15733540 - 01/29/12 11:48 AM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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apparently Satan in the Hebrew Bible starts off as some kind of prosecuting attorny for the 'God', and then the term means anyone who slanders against the 'God's' 'chosen ones---opposing God's will.
In Christianity Satan becomes the 'Devil' who is opposed to 'Jesus'. The one who will try and cheat humans out of knowing 'God' and getting to heaven, and eternal life, and rather will drag you down to everlasting damnation.
Lucifer (whose name adds up to 11) becomes in mythological imagination a fallen angel (as is Satan), rebels against 'God', and thus equated with the Christian Devil who is the ultimate enemy of 'God'.
So we could see this mindset as being magically ultra opposed to any 'entity' in peoples imagination who is set up against their own sense of power and design. ANY obstruction --opposer--to their global agenda which very may well include total control over people with the aid of transhumanist technology. Aaron Russo in an interview claimed this was their intent according to one of the Rockefellers he had become friends with.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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...and the goat of Mendes itself is often conflated with Baphomet. What is it you're trying to prove here?
How do YOU personally define 'Satan'?
Why would it matter how I or anyone else defines Satan? The fact that at some point in history Satan was Baphomet or Baphomet was a goat or whatever it is that's eluding me is a complete non-sequitur unless someone with power today believes it and acts on it, and unless you can show that with evidence, or I should say "evidence", that isn't on the same level of the conspiracy I pulled out of my ass yesterday I don't think I or anyone else who doesn't already agree will be impressed. We are still waiting for you to explain how you calculate your 11's.
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So we could see this mindset as being magically ultra opposed to any 'entity' in peoples imagination who is set up against their own sense of power and design. ANY obstruction --opposer--to their global agenda which very may well include total control over people with the aid of transhumanist technology. Aaron Russo in an interview claimed this was their intent according to one of the Rockefellers he had become friends with.
Any evidence at all that any architects for the Pentagon cared about this? Any evidence that anyone other than ivory-tower classics professors and teen goth stoners care about the Church of Satan and/or Aleister Crowley? I would love to see some evidence, any evidence whatsoever, that any of these things exist other than your certainty that there's some organization somewhere that not only has become inundated with these beliefs to the point of killing thousands of people for them but also has some magickal power over world events despite the fact that they're OCD to the point of counting the number of letters in people's names. How any organization that superstitious, ritualistic, frivolous, weird, anti-mainstream, and downright dumb could do what you claim it does is totally and completely beyond me.
Could we, for instance, have any of the following: a link to this interview, a specification of what "transhumanist technology" this group has, proof that he actually is friends with a Rockefeller and/or anyone else who might conceivably has influence over world events, or something like, say, a receipt for a ticket on flight AA11 bought by said Aaron Russo so we know he's not some bullshitter?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15733994 - 01/29/12 01:39 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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In January 2004, Russo declared his candidacy for the President of the United States initially as an independent but then as a Libertarian. At the Libertarian National Convention in May 2004, Russo received 258 votes to Michael Badnarik's 256 votes and Gary Nolan's 246 votes, short of the majority required to receive the presidential nomination. Russo would eventually lose the nomination on the convention's third and final ballot to Badnarik by a vote of 423-344.
Yes, that is a man who I could see managing a campaign of global domination, terroristic sacrifices to a demon god, and architectural planning.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Lucifer (whose name adds up to 11)
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word "Oppenheimer", which has 11 letters...oh shit.
here we see the ambiguous math again
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Dammit Pris, you have a moderator's soul.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15737016 - 01/30/12 04:58 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Why would it matter how I or anyone else defines Satan?
It matters deeply. The imagination is VERY powerful, so how you define things, understand things, is going to have a deep effect on you, how you imagine, your view of reality, and your actions.
This is a major point of what we are exploring here.
Say, for example, you believe in a literal 'Satan', or 'Devil', and 'evil demons' who can possess others, yourself, your children, then this very belief could manifrst as dangerous action!
I recently read in mainstream news of a 15 year old boy from Paris visited two relatives in England, and they believed in a Congolese Kandori cult which believes people, even ones own children can be possessed by demons---they tortured him to death!.
When, however, you go deeper into the actual meaning of these mythological names, such as Satan, Lucifer, and even names like Dionysos, Jesus, Siva, etc etc, they all lead us to the roots, and these roots are they are the mind-manifesting psychedelic vegetations!
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The fact that at some point in history Satan was Baphomet or Baphomet was a goat or whatever it is that's eluding me is a complete non-sequitur unless someone with power today believes it and acts on it, and unless you can show that with evidence, or I should say "evidence", that isn't on the same level of the conspiracy I pulled out of my ass yesterday I don't think I or anyone else who doesn't already agree will be impressed. We are still waiting for you to explain how you calculate your 11's.
I cannot help it if people who are following this thread do not understand my explanations and demonstrations, and then blame me for not doing so. I am not really 'impressed' about that, but I don't keep whining on about it. You either grasp what is being shown or you don't. Maybe as we continue there may be some understanding. We shall see. I am actually exploring as I am continuuing in this thread. I am learning as I am going along. That is what exploration is all about, right?
The very fact you underestimate the importance of mythology says quite a bit, because I am afraid with this subject you have to take all this extremely seriously and respect it, because willy nilly these mythological characters can have an extremely powerful effect on peoples psyches--even if they are not aware of it--unconsciously. And this also is the reason I explore this, for myself and others--so as to become aware of all this deep stuff,to unveil, which is the real meaning of apocalypse (from Gk. apokalyptein "uncover, disclose, reveal,") because manipulators depend on us being unconscious about what they do. They do this both with their propaganda, and their occultism.
I have shown examples, and quotes such influential occultist people ( self-proclaimed prophet of the new aeon' and 33 and 97th degree Freemason) like Aleister Crowley verify their obsession with numbers, and other symbolism, and magickal ritual.
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Any evidence at all that any architects for the Pentagon cared about this?
Did you not see that the The PENTAgon (11 letters) traces the Baphomet/Satanic Pentagram? (see above). You can be damned sure they cared about this! lol
The Pentagon began being built on.....? Yeah, 9/11: Quote:
Contracts totaling $31,100,000 were finalized with McShain and the other contractors on September 11[1941], and ground was broken for the Pentagon the same day.[20]
The Pentagon is 77 feet tall, and of course that number is a master/power number in their Occult. I have tried to keep it simple in this thread by focusing on 11, and 9, but this number is very relevant (11 X 7). This is what Crowley says about the number 77:
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Crowley wrote a book titled Liber 77, and claimed 77 was the septenary, and was 11x7 - a magickal number, and is also a symbol of Capricorn, the Devil in the Tarot cards. In Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible, there are 77 names of the Devil.
and The Penatgon is on the 77th meridan
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Any evidence that anyone other than ivory-tower classics professors and teen goth stoners care about the Church of Satan and/or Aleister Crowley? I would love to see some evidence, any evidence whatsoever, that any of these things exist other than your certainty that there's some organization somewhere that not only has become inundated with these beliefs to the point of killing thousands of people for them but also has some magickal power over world events despite the fact that they're OCD to the point of counting the number of letters in people's names. How any organization that superstitious, ritualistic, frivolous, weird, anti-mainstream, and downright dumb could do what you claim it does is totally and completely beyond me.
But surely this is what we are exploring about? Well I know that is what I am doing, and if you already take an attitude of denail that this could be then straightaway you create a barrier to further looking into this. So I would ask you to ask the question why you may have a resistance about looking into this. Obviously you must have some interest, because your attracted to the subject of this thread, but yet your role seems to be to deny the possibility of the implications of this inquiry it completely. So why? What is your philosophy of life? I have told you mine--I am coming from a Goddess religious perspective which sees a patriarchal root connecting the Monotheistic, Christian, and secular belief systems, and the occult belief system. So that's me~~~~ what about you?
And what do you mean BY 'evidence'? Would symbolism and number patterns be classed as evidence for you?
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Could we, for instance, have any of the following: a link to this interview, a specification of what "transhumanist technology" this group has, proof that he actually is friends with a Rockefeller and/or anyone else who might conceivably has influence over world events, or something like, say, a receipt for a ticket on flight AA11 bought by said Aaron Russo so we know he's not some bullshitter?
Hmmm lol, well I am afraid whatever he had --is too late now he'd dead--I think you would poo poo it, but you just have to listen, and hear what he says, and look at how he says it, and be aware of other stuff you may have learned from other sources, etc etc etc
Reflections And Warnings - An Interview With Aaron Russo {Full Film}
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15737674 - 01/30/12 10:28 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Again, please explain how a group that could not get one of its members to gain the nomination of a tiny third-party political group has any influence over world events.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15737708 - 01/30/12 10:38 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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And no, what I mean by evidence is the crucial link showing that the people who made these things knew about and cared about the symbolism. Otherwise every bit of numerology you come up with means as much as the fact that there are constellations in the sky.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15737741 - 01/30/12 10:47 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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LOL
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And no, what I mean by evidence is the crucial link showing that the people who made these things knew about and cared about the symbolism. Otherwise every bit of numerology you come up with means as much as the fact that there are constellations in the sky.
...LOL,
watch this:
Do You Believe In Magick?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15737979 - 01/30/12 11:54 AM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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Is it just me, or did that video end up claiming that the Twin Towers' destruction represented the clash between materialism and Islam?
Now, I thought the 9/11 attacks were the result of the Freemasons. Or was it really a group of al-Quaeda terrorists? Did Osama bin Laden follow Aleister Crowley? This is all hopelessly muddled. Tailor your interpretations and cherry-pick your facts until you have a coherent story - but then it falls apart the minute someone adds something new and has to be rebuilt again. It's one thing to say that D.C. is covered in masonic symbolism - which it is, and which any Mason will proudly tell you about - and another to say that all this symbolism is the groundwork for ritualistic sacrifices to pagan gods that no Freemason on record will claim to worship. And then another to posit links between the Freemasons and a self-styled "prophet" from the mid-20th century based solely on the facts that they liked the same sort of mythology and numbers. You've built a house of extraordinary claims all relying on each other without any foundation but suspicions about things that can be attributed to mere coincidence.
The Redskins are an American sports team whose logo is displayed all over Washington D.C.
The "load factor" of Flight 77 was 33 percent - and 33 is the number of Sammy Baugh, the only officially retired number of the Washington Redskins.
The Redskins have won 5 championships - the exact number of sides of the Pentagon, where Flight 77 hit.
Their last championship was in 1991, which contains the numbers 9 and 11.
Lastly, and most importantly, their logo is of an ancient group that hated the United States and wished to destroy it:
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15738880 - 01/30/12 03:12 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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Is it just me, or did that video end up claiming that the Twin Towers' destruction represented the clash between materialism and Islam?
have you watched ALL parts of this video or just part 1?
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Now, I thought the 9/11 attacks were the result of the Freemasons.
Oh, you concluding again. Some Freemasons may not even be aware of this. One came into the thread before and was VERY angry with the subject. So what does that mean?
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Or was it really a group of al-Quaeda terrorists? Did Osama bin Laden follow Aleister Crowley?
No, I don't think so. I don't think Osama bin Laden had anything to do with it, and al-Quaeda are a CIA sponsored creation, most likely used as patsies.
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This is all hopelessly muddled.
Of COURSE it is. In fact the 'magick' was most likely in large part to create this muddle.
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Tailor your interpretations and cherry-pick your facts until you have a coherent story - but then it falls apart the minute someone adds something new and has to be rebuilt again.
That is not the way I experience this investigation. I see more a joining UP of loose ends the more I am looking into it. I have looked at both the 'mundane' clues and these more esoteric ones.
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It's one thing to say that D.C. is covered in masonic symbolism - which it is, and which any Mason will proudly tell you about - and another to say that all this symbolism is the groundwork for ritualistic sacrifices to pagan gods that no Freemason on record will claim to worship.
And YET there is 9/11--right in the face like a knife!
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And then another to posit links between the Freemasons and a self-styled "prophet" from the mid-20th century based solely on the facts that they liked the same sort of mythology and numbers. You've built a house of extraordinary claims all relying on each other without any foundation but suspicions about things that can be attributed to mere coincidence.
Surely you must know the influence some individuals will have on large groups of people, right? Think of Hitler, various gurus, Jesus who may never have even existed and yet millions and millions have believed in him, etc. Everything Crowley was talking about in his books etc is the goal of the globalists. His new 'Aeon' can be translated as the New Age, and New World Order. he claimed that via the 'Will' men can become gods. You don't think this is appealing to the control-freaks in power? You don't think they would be attracted to a prophet and his magickal formulas for bringing their dream about? In his Book of the Law which he claimed was channeled through his wife from an entity he called Aiwass it says "Quote:
“Let my servants be few and secret: they shall rule the many and the known,”
Isn't this what is part of their agenda? Doesn't it fit?
He has this serious influence on people (not me. I have always been repulsed by him). When I have ever tried to talk to people who are into him and mention this they go fukin mad in defending him! They believe he was for all people being able to 'do what they will' and thus be free. yet in his life he was brutal to hos woman partners, and most went mad after he'd finsished with them.
In William Ramsey's book Prophet of Evil: Aleister Crowley, 9/11 and the New World Order He quotes Crowley Quote:
According to the Beast, a small elite must rule over the masses: "You will observe that I am advocating an aristocratic revolution. And so I am!"
Ie., as does the Satanist creed which rebels against their image of meek and mild Jesus who turns the other cheek, their way is to have contempt for the 'weak' and crush those that get in the way of their intentions, because they 'will' it so, because in his Book of the Law it says: Quote:
'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
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The Redskins are an American sports team whose logo is displayed all over Washington D.C.
The "load factor" of Flight 77 was 33 percent - and 33 is the number of Sammy Baugh, the only officially retired number of the Washington Redskins.
The Redskins have won 5 championships - the exact number of sides of the Pentagon, where Flight 77 hit.
Their last championship was in 1991, which contains the numbers 9 and 11.
Lastly, and most importantly, their logo is of an ancient group that hated the United States and wished to destroy it:
No. You are not understanding again. If in the Bible they talk about 7 golden candle sticks or whatever, they are communicating using that number. it doesn't mean that cause Bill's got 7 boils on his arse that debunks that numerology.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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Communication requires intent. People do not usually intend to communicate through such obscure means as the measurements of buildings and the number of letters in people's names. Encoding using letters and numbers is even worse due to the large number of false "communications" you would undoubtedly end up with. You haven't explained any way of identifying an actual bit of communication from sheer chance.
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Now, I thought the 9/11 attacks were the result of the Freemasons.
Oh, you concluding again. Some Freemasons may not even be aware of this. One came into the thread before and was VERY angry with the subject. So what does that mean?
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Or was it really a group of al-Quaeda terrorists? Did Osama bin Laden follow Aleister Crowley?
No, I don't think so. I don't think Osama bin Laden had anything to do with it, and al-Quaeda are a CIA sponsored creation, most likely used as patsies.
Please tell me you're being deeply ironic and understand that I was being sarcastic here.
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It's one thing to say that D.C. is covered in masonic symbolism - which it is, and which any Mason will proudly tell you about - and another to say that all this symbolism is the groundwork for ritualistic sacrifices to pagan gods that no Freemason on record will claim to worship.
And YET there is 9/11--right in the face like a knife!
Alright, imagine this: I believe very sincerely in the existence of a Indo-Zionistic cult that's trying to bring about the creation of some of the more terrifying explosive weapons from the Ramayana and Mahabharata. I see all these connections between Indian and Jewish culture - all that stuff I posted before, plus more. You still don't believe me, so I pull out the U.S. attack on Hiroshima as proof of the conspiracy. See look, there was an Indo-Zionist conspiracy to build a powerful weapon - Hiroshima got completely blown up, didn't it?
That wouldn't be convincing at all, would it? The reason why is there's two competing explanations of an event. One interpretation (that the U.S. government built and dropped the atom bomb in order to end a war) uses evidence like governmental memos and interviews with people and the like to show that the bomb was dropped for the usual reasons bombs are dropped. The other interpretation goes, "Look! Hiroshima! It fits my explanation so well! And there are people out there who really really care about these ancient mystical texts! It has to be true!" That's not an argument; it's taking your conclusion and using it to support your conclusion.
The fact that your interpretation of 9/11 fits together very nicely makes it a great story. It does not give any evidence that the story is actually true. When I say, you've got no evidence that 9/11 was a ritual sacrifice and you point back and say 9/11 itself is the evidence, that just doesn't make any sense.
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Surely you must know the influence some individuals will have on large groups of people, right? Think of Hitler, various gurus, Jesus who may never have even existed and yet millions and millions have believed in him, etc. Everything Crowley was talking about in his books etc is the goal of the globalists. His new 'Aeon' can be translated as the New Age, and New World Order. he claimed that via the 'Will' men can become gods. You don't think this is appealing to the control-freaks in power? You don't think they would be attracted to a prophet and his magickal formulas for bringing their dream about? In his Book of the Law which he claimed was channeled through his wife from an entity he called Aiwass it says "Quote:
“Let my servants be few and secret: they shall rule the many and the known,”
Isn't this what is part of their agenda? Doesn't it fit?
This would make sense, except for a couple problems:
(1) Magick does not work. People who are intelligent and capable of pulling off massive operations don't believe in it.
(2) There are only a few followers of Crowley.
(3) The influence and power of these followers is pretty much nil. As an example, Russo failing to become the Libertarian presidential candidate. Any explanation of how that didn't get pulled off?
Because of those things, I don't have any more faith in Crowley's followers doing anything important than I do that Metallica would be able to inspire its groupies to cause the apocalypse.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Communication requires intent. People do not usually intend to communicate through such obscure means as the measurements of buildings and the number of letters in people's names. Encoding using letters and numbers is even worse due to the large number of false "communications" you would undoubtedly end up with. You haven't explained any way of identifying an actual bit of communication from sheer chance.
Ohhhh, sigggghh. Obviously it is clear they ARE doing exactly that.. Next question.
DID you watch all parts of that video Do You Believe In Magick? You love asking questions but never answer them. Did you or not?
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Please tell me you're being deeply ironic and understand that I was being sarcastic here.
I see, so you said 'one thing' but really expected me to pick up on some underlying communcation you INTENDED....? I see! hint hint?
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Alright, imagine this: I believe very sincerely in the existence of a Indo-Zionistic cult that's trying to bring about the creation of some of the more terrifying explosive weapons from the Ramayana and Mahabharata. I see all these connections between Indian and Jewish culture - all that stuff I posted before, plus more. You still don't believe me, so I pull out the U.S. attack on Hiroshima as proof of the conspiracy. See look, there was an Indo-Zionist conspiracy to build a powerful weapon - Hiroshima got completely blown up, didn't it?
That wouldn't be convincing at all, would it? The reason why is there's two competing explanations of an event. One interpretation (that the U.S. government built and dropped the atom bomb in order to end a war) uses evidence like governmental memos and interviews with people and the like to show that the bomb was dropped for the usual reasons bombs are dropped. The other interpretation goes, "Look! Hiroshima! It fits my explanation so well! And there are people out there who really really care about these ancient mystical texts! It has to be true!" That's not an argument; it's taking your conclusion and using it to support your conclusion.
Look dude, this subject is complex enough without you trying to bring in some dodgy analogy. You should rather look into the ACTUAL meaning of Hiroshima and how it connects with the actual occultist stuff we are talking about. Of course it is connected.
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The fact that your interpretation of 9/11 fits together very nicely makes it a great story. It does not give any evidence that the story is actually true. When I say, you've got no evidence that 9/11 was a ritual sacrifice and you point back and say 9/11 itself is the evidence, that just doesn't make any sense.
No, it does not make it a "nice story" it is giving CLUES to what actually happened and how it connects with what happened before and continues to happen. I dont just SAY 9/11 ITSELF is the evidence which is why all the other clues have to be explored and absorbed for what they are--CLUES as to what actually happened and who did it rather than the false 'story' that was claimed to be the official one which is so full of holes EVEN when the esoteric clues are not addressed or known about. See, the two layers fit together. First you find out the offical story is false, THEN you find deeper stuff going on. That is my investigation experience. YOu believe this is some delusional psychological condition because some Nazi told you so lol.
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(1) Magick does not work. People who are intelligent and capable of pulling off massive operations don't believe in it.
YOu are so presumptious. How do you know it doesn't work? I am interested to find out.
Do you believe propaganda works? Don't duck these questions.
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(2) There are only a few followers of Crowley.
Where is your evidence for that? Your always asking ME for evidence, so I turn tables on you. AND, if only a relatively small 1% with vast money and power are followers of him than that would agree with you!
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(3) The influence and power of these followers is pretty much nil. As an example, Russo failing to become the Libertarian presidential candidate. Any explanation of how that didn't get pulled off?
How dya know, how dya know this? Did you even watch all the parts of that video Do You Believe In magick? Careful how you answer cause I may test you on it lol
I dont understand this theme you got going about Russo failing to become a Libertarian presidentiial candidate. whats that got to do with anything? The crux of his interview--for me--was his confessions he was friendly with a Rokefeller who told him the elitist agenda. SO did Aldous Huxley and others. Are you aware of them?
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Because of those things, I don't have any more faith in Crowley's followers doing anything important than I do that Metallica would be able to inspire its groupies to cause the apocalypse.
He says this with the number 11 nearly branded on his forehead and he can't see it.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I won't "duck" your questions if you don't duck mine. I'll answer anything you want as long as you can lay out a brief explanation of either of the following:
(1) The singular method you use to add up these names
(2) A way of determining when things like the height of a building are communication and when they're, you know, the height of a building.
Otherwise, I think I'm gonna trust the Nazis on this one.
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I won't "duck" your questions if you don't duck mine. I'll answer anything you want as long as you can lay out a brief explanation of either of the following:
(1) The singular method you use to add up these names
(2) A way of determining when things like the height of a building are communication and when they're, you know, the height of a building.
Otherwise, I think I'm gonna trust the Nazis on this one.
(1) There is NO singular method as such--if by this your mean a rigid linear method? The best way I could anser this would be to encourage you to read/study this book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, by John Marco Allegro
Why? Because it will show you how their minds work! That is is not a singular method but layered. As I told you above, when you look to the root of many of these prominent mythological names you come to mind-altering vegetation. Hear what I said?? But in their stories they overlay this with all kinds of variations, hiding the real core meaning from the eyes of those not initiated.
Now I am not saying that these fiends are doing that as such, but I am trying to give you a gist of how they go about creating myths.
I separate toxic myth from benevolent myth. The latter is stories which are for the deeper encouragement to realize the ambiguities of life, and sense your interelationship with nature, and others. But when it is is used to manipulate, and oppress--they still will use associations and all that, but it is TOXIC and evil, and this is why there is so much horror in the world. But their myth-making IS going on, but you have to be flxible to see it, and not EXPECT singular methods. Although some will tell you that the precision of the correspondences seem more than human--ie., they hint at extratereestrial involvement.
Well, hmmm, we know about Crowley's calim that he had his wife channel an entity he said was named Aiwass. So...in that regard they very well may interact with various entities. Isn't that what much of the Bible is about, ie., prophets etc talking with 'God' and so on. So this then creates the question about THAT. What does THAT mean.
I mean say you believe spsirts are asking you to sacrifice others to them--does this mean there are ACTUAL spirits asking this, or ....? Does the mindset that is that way inclined 'effect' that reality? Get me?
2)) OK a quick overview: 'The Pentagon' (has 11 letters) is head of the MIC of the world's superpower, so it a pretty important building wouldn't you say..?
Its shape is a pentagon, and you can create the Baphomet/Satanic pentagram from its shape;
It is 77 (11 x 7) feet high, and is situation on the 77th meridan.
Its building began on 9/11/1941
On 9/11/01 Flight 77 flew into it!
But, oh I see, you don't think anyone's tryin to tell you something?... I see? But I am the one who needs to go and see your Nazi shrink?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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A singular method can include exceptions to rules, as long as those exceptions are spelled out with some sort of rationale behind it. Like, "You add the values here because...while here you multiply them because..."
I really need some sort of explanation as to why those numbers are proof of communication other than that they show up again and again because to me that's not proof - I see repeating numbers in all sorts of things, sometimes even 11's and 77's. If I don't know how you're coming to the conclusions you are (it seems like any instance of 11, 77, or 9/11 is proof for you, which I can't agree with) then there's nothing we can really do between us except yell. Sorry for pissing you off man, I'll give you back your thread.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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It does seem some people do find it hard to grasp this slippery subject, and maybe that is its very power and why is often called 'hidden in plain sight', which means that it is both hidden and not hidden. The occult literally means 'hidden'.
Now, I just want to show this thread this --should be--well-known video (sorry about the quality). Watch close. Notice how the interviwer is trying to make a joke about it, and thus not get what SHOULD be serious about a president of the U.S' being part of a secret society called, errrr, Skull and Bones...? Now Skull and Bones is a symbol that is shared by signs of poison warnings, and dangerous places one mustn't venture, and piracy, and Nazism
We already know that W Bush's grandpappy U.S. Senator Prescot Bush have financial involvments with funding the Nazis:
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George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
So that, AND three generations of the Bush family initiated in a SECRET, OCCULTSKULL AND BONES secret societywhose symbols is the same as poison and Nazis...??! And this fucked up media-person is laughing it off, as is Bush,like a couple of clowns, and pretending it is NOT a conspiracy??!
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conspiracy
mid-14c., from Anglo-Fr. conspiracie, O.Fr. conspiracie "conspiracy, plot," from L. conspirationem (nom. conspiratio) "agreement, union, unanimity," noun of action from conspirare (see conspire); earlier in same sense was conspiration (early 14c.), from Fr. conspiration (13c.), from L. conspirationem. An O.E. word for it was facengecwis. As a term in law, from 1863. Conspiracy theory is from 1909.
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“Beneath the broad tide of human history there flow the stealthy undercurrents of the secret societies, which frequently determine in the depths the changes that take place upon the surface” -A. E. Waite (Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn)
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What David Rockefeller said in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order."
And David Rocckefeller wrote in his 2002 memoirs:
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"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
[emphasis mine]
Bush Admits Skull and Bones
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Yesterday my eyes opened when I read that when Nazism came to power in Germany, that their attack on the Jewish people on Kristallnacht began on 9/11/1938 !!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Yesterday my eyes opened when I read that when Nazism came to power in Germany, that their attack on the Jewish people on Kristallnacht began on 9/11/1938 !!
if you say so
Kristallnacht, also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, and also Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom or series of co-ordinated attacks against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Here's something you might find useful:
http://www.historyorb.com/day/september/11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Yesterday my eyes opened when I read that when Nazism came to power in Germany, that their attack on the Jewish people on Kristallnacht began on 9/11/1938 !!
if you say so
Kristallnacht, also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, and also Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom or series of co-ordinated attacks against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938
BEGAN on 9/11
9/11 began on 9/11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Here's something you might find useful:
http://www.historyorb.com/day/september/11
Obviously things always happen on everyday, but we are talking about KEY events chosen because of the numerology of that day and other things--like the astrology connections--remember that vidos series I linked you to,'Do You Believe in Magick?-- which I bet you never watched, and ducked my question (like you ducked most of my questions) whether you had watched ALL of it or not?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I was thinking of starting a thread titled something like 'Do TPTB push a mechanistic myth on us so they can control our unconscious, and a reality, we may be unconscious of?'
But if I did it means that most of what I would want to explore would be split from here. So I want to tintroduce this question here instead.
What I mean is that IF you believe in the mechanistic paradigm--which I believe you debunkers (you know who you arreee) very much do, because I see the same crowd in other threads who poo poo any talk about psi, UFOs, etc etc. Well I ask you to consider where your worldview comes from. Is it not true that you have been forced to go to school since you were tiny tots and this worldview has been drilled into you. Do you agree with that at least? OR did you come to your conclusions of reality by yourself?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Stomboli volcano in Italy and Ty Cobb are in on it
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Yesterday my eyes opened when I read that when Nazism came to power in Germany, that their attack on the Jewish people on Kristallnacht began on 9/11/1938 !!
if you say so
Kristallnacht, also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, and also Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom or series of co-ordinated attacks against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938
BEGAN on 9/11
9/11 began on 9/11
it began on 9/9/1938 when hitler received the news of the death of Ernst
vom Rath after the shooting by Herschel Grynszpan two days earlier, it
continued through 11/9/1938-11/10/1938.
now if you have some source that says it started 11/11/1938 then surely
you'll post a link since history disagrees with your claim
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at least I post links. it is the word that is coloured blue...?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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that link shows november 9-10, but if you want to be specific, it started on
the 8th when 'punitive' measures were announced in response to the shooting
that forced all jew owned new papers to cease publication
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that link shows november 9-10, but if you want to be specific, it started on
the 8th when 'punitive' measures were announced in response to the shooting
that forced all jew owned new papers to cease publication
Oh, I see---one moment you yourself rely on the information from wikipedia and link to it when it suits you, but in this case you over-ride it with your insistence that it began sooner than claimed in the link I provided, the 9-10 of Novemeber? Ohhh I see.
Wo. where is YOUR link then to confirm it started on the 8th?
In the article it is talking about Crystal Night. So you are saying it started on 8th--the actual attack? Where is link please?
Btw, even if you show this to be true it does not undo the other correspondences between 9/11 and other events on that date.
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Wo. where is YOUR link then to confirm it started on the 8th?
my link? it's from your link
shouldnt you be listing the date as 11/9 as opposed to 9/11 since you list the WTC date as 9/11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
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On 8 November Germany announced the first punitive measures in response to the shooting. Jewish newspapers and magazines were to cease publication immediately. This cut off Jews from their leadership, whose task was to advise and guide them, particularly about emigration. It was a measure, one British newspaper explained, "intended to disrupt the Jewish community and rob it of the last frail ties which hold it together." At the time three German Jewish newspapers had a national circulation, and there were four cultural papers, several sports papers, and several dozen community bulletins, of which the one in Berlin had a circulation of 40,000.[10] The government announced that Jewish children could no longer attend German state elementary schools. All Jewish cultural activities were also suspended indefinitely. Their rights as citizens had been stripped.[22]
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we can go round in circles with this. i was talking about the fascist action of Quote:
Kristallnacht, also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, and also Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom or series of co-ordinated attacks against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938
as for 11/9 ---it doesn't matter, it still is featuring 9 and 11. but i dont want to bash this muther to death. i was just surprised and thought i'd share it here
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the fascist action started on the 8th with the closing of the jewish press
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so why doesn't that article say crystal night begins on the 8th then?
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Oh, you concluding again. Some Freemasons may not even be aware of this. One came into the thread before and was VERY angry with the subject. So what does that mean?
What does that mean?
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Oh, you concluding again. Some Freemasons may not even be aware of this. One came into the thread before and was VERY angry with the subject. So what does that mean?
What does that mean?
what it says?
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As I have said, I am learning as I go along with researching about this extraordinary subject. I am VERY aware just how complex it is, and I alone of all the present researchers into it I am aware of have also to be aware of the mindsets of those who are researching into it. So for example, there are Christian researchers who have accomplished much research into how these occult systems work but HOWEVER their own blindness about their own myth (which they would never agree was a myth but historical fact) bl;inds them to its connection with what they point their judgemental findger at. They are basically saying that unless you listen to their revealing of this 'satanic conspiracy' then you are destined for everlasting hellfire! I have tried to challenge them, but they dont do questions--just like any cult or authoritarian hierarchical power structure. No, you are expected to BELIEVE or ELSE!
So, yes, I am learning, and some things I jhave learned in the past, I forget and have to refresh memory. For example, I had remembered reading in some CHristian site the reasons for the first attack on the north Twin Tower on 9/11 by flight AA11. so it was in back of my mind to maybe try and search it out. Well i didn't find that site, but found some info here which is interesting, and it fits with the other info I gave above about how 9:11 in the biblical book of Revelations says:
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Revelations 9:11
King James Version (KJV)
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
I calculated the Greek name to be 11, and showed a picture depicting Apollyon envisaged to look like the Medieval portrayal of the Devil attacking a Christian. so keeping this in mind read this:
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In Masonic theology the North is where the Christian God sits on this throne, and so to the Ego Worshipping Masons the north is a very bad place.
Flight 11 struck the north tower first, 11 the number of evil destruction, symbolically destroying God's Kingdom.
By "ego worshipping"--this will mean the emphasis CroWley makes about displacing Christianity and replacing that aoen with the " new aeon" Crowleyanity---and his law of "Do What Thou Wilt". [THE ILLUMINATI CODE]
I want to preview this video share. Parts of it give a good example of Crowley's worldview and his influence on people, including modern music etc. NO way though am i coming from the hypocritical christian angle with it. It is VITAL to understand that 'paganism' is not ONE thing--in this case defined as the rebelling against Christ/God, which Crowley represents. THAT paganism shares the same wordview of Christianity, and hence will be talking about 'controlling/mastering "demons"' and 'dethroning "Christ"' etc. some bits are real funny, and the last bit shows you the danger of Christian thinking which demonizes everything, and this as we know can lead to as much sadistic harm and murder as does their antagonists beliefs and actions!
But this video strongly hints at the mindset of the real culprits behind the attacks of 9/11!!
TELEVILSION PART 31: CROWLEYANITY
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As I have said, I am learning as I go along with researching about this extraordinary subject. I am VERY aware just how complex it is, and I alone of all the present researchers into it I am aware of have also to be aware of the mindsets of those who are researching into it.
Or you could just be making wild assumptions and connections that neatly fit your theory. Form a theory and then find supposed evidence and wild assumptions to wrap it all up in a neat little package. It doesn't work that way, you have it backwards.
But of course, you are the last person that wants to think they're wrong, so that's just not possible, is it?
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As I have said, I am learning as I go along with researching about this extraordinary subject. I am VERY aware just how complex it is, and I alone of all the present researchers into it I am aware of have also to be aware of the mindsets of those who are researching into it.
Or you could just be making wild assumptions and connections that neatly fit your theory. Form a theory and then find supposed evidence and wild assumptions to wrap it all up in a neat little package. It doesn't work that way, you have it backwards.
But of course, you are the last person that wants to think they're wrong, so that's just not possible, is it?
explain in more detail--IF you are capable that is-- what you mean by "it doesn't work that way, you have it backwards"?
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Gather legitimate evidence, then formulate a theory based on it.
You seem already convinced you have the theory figured out and are constantly using illegitimate and disproven evidence, sloppy investigation and far fetched connections to support it.
That's it in a nutshell. Don't feel bad though. You fit in with 95% of the rest of the posters in this forum.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: WakeboardrB]
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As I have said, I am learning as I go along with researching about this extraordinary subject. I am VERY aware just how complex it is, and I alone of all the present researchers into it I am aware of have also to be aware of the mindsets of those who are researching into it.
Or you could just be making wild assumptions and connections that neatly fit your theory. Form a theory and then find supposed evidence and wild assumptions to wrap it all up in a neat little package. It doesn't work that way, you have it backwards.
But of course, you are the last person that wants to think they're wrong, so that's just not possible, is it?
explain in more detail--IF you are capable that is-- what you mean by "it doesn't work that way, you have it backwards"?
Its hard to discuss this if you won't answer questions or respond to post- I've raised the same point.
To determine if there's anything to your methodology you have to compare the results you get from your method to a sample which can be evaluated independantly of the experimental method. Then you see if the method actually reveals anything or if it doesn't. This is how all experimentation works, and is the way any method is validated, ideally. Otherwise, how do you know there's any validity to your method in practice?
What wakeboarder is saying is that you are using post-hoc analysis to fallaciously draw connections and imply meanings. Anything can be connected when there is no method, and even where there is a method, or where the method isn't valid or specific enough, and its impossible to draw rational conclusions when the method's quality is unknown.
So, the way to do something like this would be to first postulate the hypothetical methodologies, find a data set whose qualities the method are intended to reveal can be evaluated with a seperate methodology that is known to be valid (or simply accepted), and use the experimental methodology to analyze the data. After that, all you need to do is see if there's any correlation between the qualities determined by your experimental method(s) and which are known.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15759415 - 02/04/12 07:57 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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ZZripz, you're fine. Don't jump through anyone's hoops, as there will always be more. I'm learning a lot from your work.
I don't really have anything new to add to this. Just ignore the nay sayers, and lets learn together.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/destruction_of_the_trade_centers.htm
Whoever wrote this has come to similiar conclusions as yourself. I was trying to find information about when the cornerstones of the pentagon and WTC buildings were laid.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15759418 - 02/04/12 07:58 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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you are both trying to apply a rigic scientific or 'logical' method to this phenomena, and I have explained several times that it doesn't seem to work like that. It is associative, uses symbolism and numbers.
you seem to imagine that seeing patterns and connection can never clue you in to a schema, but that is not so. Dig this quote:
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"The followers of Pythagoras referred to every object, planet, man, idea and essence to some number or other, in a way which most moderns must seem curious and mystical in the highest degree. "The numerals of Pythagoras' says Porphyry who lived about 300 A.D., were hieroglyphic symbols, by means whereof he explained all ideas concerning the nature of things, and the same numeric method of explaining the secrets of nature is once again being insisted upon in the new revelation of the 'Secret Doctrine' by H.P. Blavatsky - "Numbers are a key to the ancient views of cosmogony - in its broad sense, spiritually as well as physically considered, to the evolution of the present human race: all systems of religious mysticism are based upon numbers. The sacredness of numbers begins with the First Great Cause, the One, and ends only with the nought or zero - symbol of the infinite and boundless universe". - W, Wyn Wescott, the Occult Power of Numbers.
Now do you get a hint that occultists will use numbers, for example. Are you saying
a) yes you understand occultists use numbers as a 'hidden'/occult code
or b) no I dont believe that superstition
or c) yes I know that occultist use numbers and symbolism to swecretly communicate and do magic, but not the way YOU are using numbers, and other symbolism because you have no method?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: WakeboardrB]
#15759439 - 02/04/12 08:07 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Gather legitimate evidence, then formulate a theory based on it.
So mate, where are YOU coming from regarding 9/11? Do you agree with the official conspiracy theory?
With me, I am also interested obviously in the more 'mundane' legitimate evidence that 9/11 was a false flag operation, and then am looking deeper into the occultist clues. see?
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You seem already convinced you have the theory figured out and are constantly using illegitimate and disproven evidence, sloppy investigation and far fetched connections to support it.
You talk about astuteness in investigation procedures but apparently cannot yourself read and absorb what I have said in the last few posts of mine where I have made it clear that I asm learning as I am going along...? So that is not having 'the theory figured out' is it? YES I do very much think there is occulstism connected to this, but am feeling my way exploring about it. Understand?
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That's it in a nutshell. Don't feel bad though. You fit in with 95% of the rest of the posters in this forum.
I dont see anything earth-shattering that you have shared in this thread--or anywhere in the forum if i am honest. who are you again??
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15759450 - 02/04/12 08:14 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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For example---I knew things about the plane numbers and how they are completely related to Aliester Crowley's magickal numbers--that is 11, 77, 175, and 93. But I wasn't aware of this, the numerical sequence. which I have just learnt:
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When you add the flight numbers of the 4 planes they run in numerical sequence - 11 12, 13, 14:
Flight 11 = 11
Flight 93 = 12 (93 "most holy magick number" - Crowley - 39 inverted, 3x13)
Flight 175 = 13 (13, old to new, death and rebirth, the Phoenix, the Christ)
Flight 77 = 14 (77 is a magickal number).
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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In Masonic theology the North is where the Christian God sits on this throne, and so to the Ego Worshipping Masons the north is a very bad place.
Flight 11 struck the north tower first, 11 the number of evil destruction, symbolically destroying God's Kingdom.
NO no no. Another stupid comment. That is way off. Christian god sits on this throne in the north so therefore the north is a bad place? Masons do not believe that. Well Santa is at the north pole, do you think the terrorist are going to destroy the north pole. Maybe Masons? In lodge we were talking about sending recon parties up to the north pole to find out where Santa is. We also are looking into a single engine Cessna and a suicidal pilot.. It all makes sense now.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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I don't have a position on the question you asked that falls into any of those proffered answers- I've reserved judgment on the question but doubt your analysis in this thread is valid. It seems suspect whether you even have a methodology that could be tested in the first place based on your prior explanations- certainly it seems like a flawed post hoc analysis/moving the goalposts. I don't see what it has to do with the question whether you have a method that's useful.
You have simply declared that "it doesn't work like that", but have not provided any argument or counterexample tending to show such.
Either the method produces accurate information or it doesn't- this is exactly what a rational analysis would answer. You've shown nothing to the contrary.
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In Masonic theology the North is where the Christian God sits on this throne, and so to the Ego Worshipping Masons the north is a very bad place.
Flight 11 struck the north tower first, 11 the number of evil destruction, symbolically destroying God's Kingdom.
NO no no. Another stupid comment. That is way off. Christian god sits on this throne in the north so therefore the north is a bad place? Masons do not believe that.
Do not believe what? That Christ sits on a throne in the north? Or that that is a bad thing?
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Well Santa is at the north pole, do you think the terrorist are going to destroy the north pole.
Although very popular with children and retailers, Santa does not have such a massive religious following as Christ does.
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Maybe Masons? In lodge we were talking about sending recon parties up to the north pole to find out where Santa is. We also are looking into a single engine Cessna and a suicidal pilot.. It all makes sense now.
All it needs is verification. For all I know your not even really a Freemason like you claim. Why should I believe you? Where is your evidence?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15760120 - 02/04/12 11:52 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I don't want these up long.
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The north tower didn't have a massive religious following either did it?
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you could have copied them from anywhere. Anyway I trust you if you like. I have no reason to not believe you. what degree are you?
So if you are savvy to Freemasonic symbolism, care to explain your understanding of the symbolism on the U.S. one dollar bill?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I'm a 3rd degree, In April I'm getting my Scottish Rite degree, then I'll be a 32nd degree. After that I will get my York Rite degree. It's considerably longer to go all the way through. After having both York and Scottish Rite degrees I'm going to go into the Shriners. I'm not going to waste my time on the dollar bill as most people already know about that. I'm a Mason and I'm not going to participate in your quiz, no offense.
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I dont think 'most people' DO know about it.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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As I have said, I am learning as I go along with researching about this extraordinary subject. I am VERY aware just how complex it is, and I alone of all the present researchers into it I am aware of have also to be aware of the mindsets of those who are researching into it.
Or you could just be making wild assumptions and connections that neatly fit your theory. Form a theory and then find supposed evidence and wild assumptions to wrap it all up in a neat little package. It doesn't work that way, you have it backwards.
But of course, you are the last person that wants to think they're wrong, so that's just not possible, is it?
explain in more detail--IF you are capable that is-- what you mean by "it doesn't work that way, you have it backwards"?
The various ways in which this is backwards have been beaten to death to death multiple times in this thread. How many times are you going to pretend that ignoring the argument makes it wrong?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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For example---I knew things about the plane numbers and how they are completely related to Aliester Crowley's magickal numbers--that is 11, 77, 175, and 93. But I wasn't aware of this, the numerical sequence. which I have just learnt:
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When you add the flight numbers of the 4 planes they run in numerical sequence - 11 12, 13, 14:
Flight 11 = 11
Flight 93 = 12 (93 "most holy magick number" - Crowley - 39 inverted, 3x13)
Flight 175 = 13 (13, old to new, death and rebirth, the Phoenix, the Christ)
Flight 77 = 14 (77 is a magickal number).
so really what crowley is saying is that ALL numbers are the devil, magick or what the hell ever the fucker believed
no wonder it works so well for some, no matter what, 3,6,9,7498345243... they all magick
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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As I have said, I am learning as I go along with researching about this extraordinary subject. I am VERY aware just how complex it is, and I alone of all the present researchers into it I am aware of have also to be aware of the mindsets of those who are researching into it.
Or you could just be making wild assumptions and connections that neatly fit your theory. Form a theory and then find supposed evidence and wild assumptions to wrap it all up in a neat little package. It doesn't work that way, you have it backwards.
But of course, you are the last person that wants to think they're wrong, so that's just not possible, is it?
explain in more detail--IF you are capable that is-- what you mean by "it doesn't work that way, you have it backwards"?
The various ways in which this is backwards have been beaten to death to death multiple times in this thread. How many times are you going to pretend that ignoring the argument makes it wrong?
I am really not 'arguing' but personally am exploring this subject. that you and a few others joining in don't seem to be able to understand the patterns and connections i am showing is not my fault---others very much can. either you deliberately are not or seriously cannot see this---either way you cant.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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For example---I knew things about the plane numbers and how they are completely related to Aliester Crowley's magickal numbers--that is 11, 77, 175, and 93. But I wasn't aware of this, the numerical sequence. which I have just learnt:
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When you add the flight numbers of the 4 planes they run in numerical sequence - 11 12, 13, 14:
Flight 11 = 11
Flight 93 = 12 (93 "most holy magick number" - Crowley - 39 inverted, 3x13)
Flight 175 = 13 (13, old to new, death and rebirth, the Phoenix, the Christ)
Flight 77 = 14 (77 is a magickal number).
so really what crowley is saying is that ALL numbers are the devil, magick or what the hell ever the fucker believed
no wonder it works so well for some, no matter what, 3,6,9,7498345243... they all magick
lol, one thing we do agree on is we both seem to loathe Crowley.
Now, he didn't say all numbers. though no doubt every number has its significance. how ever the number 12 for example isn't featured like the number 11 is in the 9/11 attacks, nor at the end of WW1 is it said the 12th hour, 12th month etc--it is again 11!
In Prophet of Evil: Aleister Crowley, 9/11 and the New World Order, by William Ramsey, he reveals Crowley's fave magickal numbers which also featured in 9/11 were 11, 77, 175, 93 --the four flight numbers. The chances of this being coincidence, according to Ramsey, are "infinitesimal".
I told you recently above that even knowing this, I had also not known and just discovered that each number when added up show a PATTERN sequence 11, 12, 13, 14. A-nother pattern pointing to occulist deliberations behind these attacks. Although I dont know, this doesn't have to mean--which i think you are jumping to conclude--that this means that now 12, 13, 14 are to be master numbers or whatever, but that they rather DO 'secretly' connect those flight numbers which featured on 9/11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15763728 - 02/05/12 08:55 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have just learnt there were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence: 5 + 6 = 11
To 'replace' the Twin Towers has been built the so-called Freedom Tower
This building will have the height apparently of 1,776 feet"in reference to the year of American independence."
Often there is supposed to be a fierce difference of opinion between those who claim this date simply means reference of America's Independence of that year versus those--labelled in an derogotary fashion, 'conspiracy theorists'-- who reveal that 1776 was the year The Bavarian Illuminati (or Order of Perfectibilists) was founded by Adam Weishaupt on, May 1st, 1776! But there should be no contradiction, because the very founding of America was founded by this secret society, or mindset!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Holy crap, no, I know you're from England, but Americans flip their shit over the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4th, 1776, all that shit.
And at any rate, 1+7+7+6=21 = 3
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I am really not 'arguing' but personally am exploring this subject. that you and a few others joining in don't seem to be able to understand the patterns and connections i am showing is not my fault---others very much can. either you deliberately are not or seriously cannot see this---either way you cant.
You are making an argument when you put forward the idea that these "connections" mean what you say they mean, unless your definition of argue is vastly different from mine - in that case, we are "exploring" the many ways in which it would be impossible to draw any sort of conclusion from your own "explorations."
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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...well then you are failing miserably.
and see, you jump in thinking you 'HAVE' to add the number 1776. Maybe there is something in the result, but the main thang it is showing is the Illuminati's birthday...already??
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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No, the main thing is that, especially in reference to the Twin Towers, Americans go apeshit over certain patriotic motifs like the number 1776.
But the even mainer thing is that I have clear evidence that it was meant to be symbolic in that particular way. To wit, a quote from the architect given at an interview:
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“It is a statement about freedom that we often take for granted. 1776 is not just a symbol, but a date that inscribes liberty for the United States and for the world,” he said. “Together these two things belong to all Americans across all political divides, all parties, all opinions. They are what America is all about.”
Do have any evidence that any of the Pentagon's designers were freemasons even?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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No, the main thing is that, especially in reference to the Twin Towers, Americans go apeshit over certain patriotic motifs like the number 1776.
Sorry, I am not getting you here. This is second time of you saying this? What Americans? ALL of them? Some like to ask questions and not conform like sheeple.
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But the even mainer thing is that I have clear evidence that it was meant to be symbolic in that particular way. To wit, a quote from the architect given at an interview:
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“It is a statement about freedom that we often take for granted. 1776 is not just a symbol, but a date that inscribes liberty for the United States and for the world,” he said. “Together these two things belong to all Americans across all political divides, all parties, all opinions. They are what America is all about.”
Do have any evidence that any of the Pentagon's designers were freemasons even?
First things first, let me analyze his talk for you:
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Architect Daniel Libeskind, whose master plan for the rebuilding includes the 1,776-foot, 65-story Freedom
He is Jewish--so there is possibly, very, a Zionist connection. I didn't know it was 65 stories. 6 + 5 = 11. So along with the Illuminati birthday reference with its height, we have their master/power/magickal number 11 also.
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For the 60-year-old Libeskind — who immigrated from Poland to Israel at age 11 — architecture is not just a job, not “business as usual.”
There is another reference to the number 11 and Israel.
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100-plus members of the audience to hear the architect’s vision of the tower moments after learning that developer Larry Silverstein had accepted an offer that would pave the way for its construction.
Ohhh, right , Larry Silverstein is involved hey--Larry "pull it pull it" Silverstein who made sure to insure the Towers--by coincidence, of couurrrseee against terrorist attack before 9/11 and made BILLIONS, and not a Columbo in sight. Also known as 'Lucky Larry'Him?
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Libeskind said in response to a question from the audience about the tower. “Memory is key to understanding the future.”
Yeah, for their own of course. ,"Who controls the past, controls the future; who controls the present, controls the past."
George Orwell
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For the 60-year-old Libeskind — who immigrated from Poland to Israel at age 11 — architecture is not just a job, not “business as usual".
Instead, he said, it is “the closest thing to storytelling. It tells you something. It’s a connection to life. You’re not just doing something; it has a spiritual connection, pursuing an idea, a spirit.”
Yeah, some of us are learning about thier "story telling" in this thread!
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Asked about the tower’s height and its visual reference, the Statue of Liberty, Libeskind replied, “I see them not as abstract metaphors, but as something very real and very much a part of our everyday lives. To me, the Statue of Liberty is a true flame of liberty and not just a piece of rhetoric.
Notice he uses the Statue of Liberty as the inspiration for his 'Freedom tower', a gift the French Grand Orient Temple Masons. And the the Libery Flame is the Illuminati calling card! They put it over their murders, as they have with Princess Diana:
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http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/princess-dianas-death-and-memorial-the-occult-meaning/ "If you know a little about occult symbolism, a torch mounted on a black pentagram might make your radar go off. The torch is the ultimate symbol of the illuminated (people that have acquired the secret knowledge of the occult order). This torch is an exact replica of the one being held by the Statue of Liberty and was placed there in 1989 as a gift. So this wasn’t placed as a tribute to Princess Diana but it has become, over time, the unofficial memorial. The torch has reached this status because of its location, which is right on top of the Pont d’Alma Tunnel. After Di’s death, several memorial notes and flowers were placed, encouraging the general population to adopt this occult landmark as a memorial. Some even say that this torch was placed on purpose as an indicator of the location of this planned assassination. Whatever the case be, the symbol of the torch or the eternal flame has been used in other high profile killings, i.e. the JFK tombstone."
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“It is a statement about freedom that we often take for granted. 1776 is not just a symbol, but a date that inscribes liberty for the United States and for the world,” he said. “Together these two things belong to all Americans across all political divides, all parties, all opinions. They are what America is all about.”
How fucking sick and ironic to say that!! So typical of their audacious selves. I mean as they use their false flag excuse of 9/11 to wreak havoc on innocent men, women, and children over seas, they also take more and more liberties away from the American people, and have the nerve to claim they are buidling a tower of "freedom" to celebrate. That doesn't make you want to puke?
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The audience questions and Libeskind’s answers focused for the most part on his plan to replace the fallen Twin Towers.
“It’s not an easy task,” Libeskind conceded of his work on the Ground Zero project — and of his earlier design of the Jewish Museum in Berlin, which, ironically, opened on Sept. 11, 2001.
The statue and what it represents would eventually inspire his Lower Manhattan “master plan,” including the 1,776-foot-tall Freedom Tower that echoes the shape of Liberty’s torch.
Several of Libeskind’s designs reflect “the Jewish values we both hold so dear,”
Did you see that---the 9/11 reference above?! And he calls his project the "master plan", and how its refelts the Jewish[/ZIONIST/OCCULT values] we both hold so dear.
That is how I hear his talk.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:Sorry, I am not getting you here.
Oh, that's quite alright, apology accepted.
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This is second time of you saying this?
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What Americans?
Generally modern-day ones, not very many from before 1776.
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ALL of them?
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Some like to ask questions and not conform like sheeple.
That's wonderful!
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First things first, let me analyze his talk for you:
I prefer to do it myself, but how kind of you to offer.
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Architect Daniel Libeskind, whose master plan for the rebuilding includes the 1,776-foot, 65-story Freedom
He is Jewish
Is that ethnically or religiously?
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--so there is possibly, very, a Zionist connection.
A connection between what two things?
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I didn't know it was 65 stories.
Is this perhaps because it's 105 stories?
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6 + 5 = 11.
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So along with the Illuminati birthday reference with its height,
Don't forget the reference to the birthdays of Howard Douglas, Joseph Barss, Francois Blanchet, Simon Frasier, and John Neilson, John Willson, Colin Campbell, and Archibald Acheson 2nd Earl of Gosford!
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we have their master/power/magickal number 11 also.
No, we have a calculation involving 6 and 5.
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For the 60-year-old Libeskind
6 + 0 = 6, the Devil's number, you missed that one
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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— who immigrated from Poland to Israel at age 11
How clever of the Illuminati to get him at that age.
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— architecture is not just a job, not “business as usual.”
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There is another reference to the number 11 and Israel.
Is there some definition of reference that I don't understand? When you turn 11, you reference 11? If I went to Mexico, could I reference it? Does that involve a special passport stamp?
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100-plus members of the audience to hear the architect’s vision of the tower moments after learning that developer Larry Silverstein had accepted an offer that would pave the way for its construction.
Sentence fragment, please use the full quotation.
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Ohhh, right , Larry Silverstein is involved hey--Larry "pull it pull it" Silverstein who made sure to insure the Towers--by coincidence, of couurrrseee against terrorist attack before 9/11 and made BILLIONS, and not a Columbo in sight. Also known as 'Lucky Larry'Him?
So..........is this important? Is it supposed to prove something?
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Libeskind said in response to a question from the audience about the tower. “Memory is key to understanding the future.”
Yeah, for their own of course.
Their own what? Is this another one of those things that are supposed to be sinister?
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"Who controls the past, controls the future; who controls the present, controls the past."
George Orwelluo
"It was only when it was realised that the present really was being impoverished, and that the reason for it was that those selfish plundering wastrel bastards up in the future were doing exactly the same thing, that everyone realised that every single aorist rod, and the terrible secret of how they were made would have to be utterly and forever destroyed. They claimed it was for the sake of their grandparents and grandchildren, but it was of course for the sake of their grandparent's grandchildren, and their grandchildren's grandparents."
- Douglas Adamsua
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For the 60-year-old Libeskind — who immigrated from Poland to Israel at age 11 — architecture is not just a job, not “business as usual".
Instead, he said, it is “the closest thing to storytelling. It tells you something. It’s a connection to life. You’re not just doing something; it has a spiritual connection, pursuing an idea, a spirit.”
Yeah, some of us are learning about thier "story telling" in this thread!
Sinister thing I'm missing once again?
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Asked about the tower’s height and its visual reference, the Statue of Liberty, Libeskind replied, “I see them not as abstract metaphors, but as something very real and very much a part of our everyday lives. To me, the Statue of Liberty is a true flame of liberty and not just a piece of rhetoric.
Notice he uses the Statue of Liberty as the inspiration for his 'Freedom tower', a gift the French Grand Orient Temple Masons.
It was actually a gift from the French people, who funded most of its construction and material costs.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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And the the Libery Flame is the Illuminati calling card!
The Liberty Flames are the sports teams of Liberty University, a small Christian University. The Flame of Liberty is a replica of the Statue of Liberty's torch in France paid for by a newspaper celebrating its 100th anniversary. Perhaps you meant the all-seeing eye, or a compass or some other thing.
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They put it over their murders, as they have with Princess Diana:
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http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/princess-dianas-death-and-memorial-the-occult-meaning/ "If you know a little about occult symbolism, a torch mounted on a black pentagram might make your radar go off. The torch is the ultimate symbol of the illuminated (people that have acquired the secret knowledge of the occult order). This torch is an exact replica of the one being held by the Statue of Liberty and was placed there in 1989 as a gift. So this wasn’t placed as a tribute to Princess Diana but it has become, over time, the unofficial memorial. The torch has reached this status because of its location, which is right on top of the Pont d’Alma Tunnel. After Di’s death, several memorial notes and flowers were placed, encouraging the general population to adopt this occult landmark as a memorial. Some even say that this torch was placed on purpose as an indicator of the location of this planned assassination.
Di died in '97, the statue finished in '89, that was quite the long-term plan!
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Whatever the case be, the symbol of the torch or the eternal flame has been used in other high profile killings, i.e. the JFK tombstone."
Jacqueline Kennedy came up with the idea for JFK's gravesite, RFK approved it, and John Carl Warnecke designed it. Which one was the freemason who decided to mark the kill of their friend/relative?
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“It is a statement about freedom that we often take for granted. 1776 is not just a symbol, but a date that inscribes liberty for the United States and for the world,” he said. “Together these two things belong to all Americans across all political divides, all parties, all opinions. They are what America is all about.”
How fucking sick and ironic to say that!! So typical of their audacious selves. I mean as they use their false flag excuse of 9/11 to wreak havoc on innocent men, women, and children over seas, they also take more and more liberties away from the American people, and have the nerve to claim they are buidling a tower of "freedom" to celebrate.
Yes, how sick to use patriotic motifs in the construction of a building commemorating a horrific national tragedy!! They should just build a parking lot over the area and try to forget.
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That doesn't make you want to puke?
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The audience questions and Libeskind’s answers focused for the most part on his plan to replace the fallen Twin Towers.
“It’s not an easy task,” Libeskind conceded of his work on the Ground Zero project — and of his earlier design of the Jewish Museum in Berlin, which, ironically, opened on Sept. 11, 2001.
By Sept. 11, they mean Sept. 9, right?
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The statue and what it represents would eventually inspire his Lower Manhattan “master plan,” including the 1,776-foot-tall Freedom Tower that echoes the shape of Liberty’s torch.
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Several of Libeskind’s designs reflect “the Jewish values we both hold so dear,”
Not the Freemason magickal values? Oh dear. Aleister's probably PISSED.
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Did you see that---the 9/11 reference above?! And he calls his project the "master plan", and how its refelts the Jewish[/ZIONIST/OCCULT values] we both hold so dear.
"We"? I didn't know you had a soft spot for jew values.
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That is how I hear his talk.
Wonderful, where's your argument?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15767168 - 02/06/12 03:09 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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There is a lot your missing, because you tend not to keep in mind the growing bigger picture picture, and obviously a reason you dont do this is because you dismiss the whole 9/11 false flag clues, both mundane and occultist outright--hence when you listen to the architect of the very building to replace all of the 9/11 event, you seem to naively believe its what it says on the tin.
And I am afraid it doesn't play like that. Devious doesn't suddenly become non-devious.
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Is this perhaps because it's 105 stories?
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Sweet.
Does it or does it not say that the tower is 65 stories in the article you brought to my attention?
If so, what are your thoughts that it would say 65?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15767681 - 02/06/12 08:35 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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...hmmmmbe wiating all day.
Could be that it was a Freudian slip? could be more audaciously deliberate that they dropped in a reference to 11? All we know that it is definate in this article 65 stories are mentioned. It is hardly easy to do such a typo mistaking '105' for 65, right? Try it
I also notice you make hardly much effort to show references/links for your points either.
At LEAST the reference for your favourite architect we could see "65 stories" and didn't have to errr take your word for it. Not that that was the point you were trying to get across lol
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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That article's from 2006 - the building's gone through numerous redesigns and modifications since it was first proposed (the first, original design had 52 floors). In addition, there's some amount of ambiguity as to what constitutes a "floor" - the tower as is has only 74 (7 + 4=11! I guess there you go) above-ground floors that are "usable" according to Wikipedia, only 69 of those are office spaces (the others are atriums and the like) and the rest are maintenance floors. The tower was 52 floors originally.All of this info is from the Wikipedia article on the tower.
It had a grand opening "Gala" on Sunday, Sept. 9th 2001, and it was opened to the public on the 11th, but closed down because of the 9/11 attacks, and reopened on 9/13. Staggered openings are pretty normal for things like museums, they have donors to placate by giving priority access to, and problems with exhibits, etc.
The stuff about the design of the eternal flame was, again, from the Wikipedia article on the subject, , as was the stuff about the designer being JFK's friend.
The stuff about the funding for the Flame of Liberty was from its wikipedia article, as were the claims about the Statue of Liberty's funding.
The stuff about how Americans would interpret the symbolism in the tower were based on my own interactions with other Americans, and upon my own feelings as well, given that I am an American.
Alright, so that was a shitty article I referenced. Here's another interviews with the architect, where he says the same thing:
http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2011/sep/07/interview-master-architect-world-trade-center-site-daniel-libeskind/:
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But there are other symbolic elements: 1776, the date of the Declaration of Independence, of the pinnacle of Tower 1.
And an interview where he is quite scornful of cynical interpretations of the symbolism:
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His twisting design for the Freedom Tower is a play on the stance of the nearby Statue of Liberty. He finds nothing corny in designing a building 1,776ft tall, nor in the decision to lay the foundation stone on July 4.
"Right now, the rest of the world confuses American notions of patriotism and nationhood with the actions of a specific administration," he argues. "But the US is a democracy, and when a government is voted out, these humanist notions of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness continue."
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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There is a lot your missing, because you tend not to keep in mind the growing bigger picture picture, and obviously a reason you dont do this is because you dismiss the whole 9/11 false flag clues, both mundane and occultist outright--hence when you listen to the architect of the very building to replace all of the 9/11 event, you seem to naively believe its what it says on the tin.
And I am afraid it doesn't play like that. Devious doesn't suddenly become non-devious.
No, I'm not "missing" anything; I have a firm stance that this "growing bigger picture picture" is just a series of coincidences - which is completely normal, given how many numbers are associated with 9/11 - flight numbers, times, dates, building heights, latitudes, longitudes, subway transit lines, names, etc. "Devious" is not the default position - you're assuming there must be a conspiracy and then looking for facts to support that which is, once again, backwards. Your suspicion that these things are related to the masons and aleister crowley provides no sort of epistemic "bump" that allows us to shift the burden of proof, and you haven't even really explained why you think they would either.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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First you linked me to your article featuring the Freedom Tower's architect talk where it is said the building was 65 stories tall, and I counted that and told you it was the occult-familiar 11, and then you responded: Quote:
it's 105 stories
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the tower as is has only 74 (7 + 4=11! I guess there you go)
. So right, we have arrived back 11, agreed? Even you worked that out.
Now, the architect of the audaciously called so-called Freedom Tower mentions the Statue of Liberty in connection with his building, and I said: Quote:
Notice he uses the Statue of Liberty as the inspiration for his 'Freedom tower', a gift the French Grand Orient Temple Masons.
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It was actually a gift from the French people, who funded most of its construction and material costs.
Suggesting, without any reference it has nothing to do with freemasonry. Now this bit of info about it uinfortunately also includes some Christian righteous indignation--as is usual--but it is the info about the Freemasonic connection to do with the staue I am referring more to:
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This colossus in New York's harbor was conceived by Freemasons, financed by Freemasons, built by Freemasons, and installed by Freemasons in a Freemasonic ceremony. The poem about "the huddled masses" inscribed on its base was written by American Jewess, Emma Lazarus.
The maker of the statue was Freemason Frederic-Auguste Bartholdi. He had already made a statue of the Freemason Marquis de Lafayette for the city of New York, for the occasion of the centenary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
Semiramis
Bartholdi sailed to America, at the suggestion of other Freemasons and kindred spirits in France, for the purpose of proposing the project. Although he had no drawings as he set sail, his Masonic biographer writes, as he entered New York harbor, "he caught a vision of a magnificent goddess (Nimrod's Semiramis—Isis or Astarte), holding aloft a torch (of Illuminism) in one hand and welcoming all visitors to the land of freedom and opportunity" (signifying Brotherhood control of the American people by the "liberties" perpetrated against them).
Statue of Liberty
Returning to France, he managed to raise, through the help of a great deal of Masonic propaganda, the sum of 3,500,000 French francs, a very large sum for the 1870's. For the face of his "Goddess of Liberty" he chose his own mother.
Structural framework was provided by Freemason Gustave Eiffel, later to be famous for the 984-feet (300-meter) high Eiffel Tower. Although financial support for the statue was forthcoming in France, America was not willing to put up the money for the pedestal. It was Joseph Pulitzer, the owner and editor of the New York World, who managed to raise over $100,000 for the project.
On Washington's Birthday in 1877, Congress accepted the statue as a gift from the French people. Bedloe's Island, now Liberty Island, was chosen by General Sherman, the well-known Atlanta-burner. Meanwhile in Paris the work gradually progressed. Levi P. Morton, the then Ambassador to France, drove the first rivet. The statue was finished on May 21, 1884, and presented to Ambassador Levi Morton on July 4th of the same year by Ferdinand de Lesseps, builder of the Suez canal.
On the American side, the chairman of the American committee to receive the statue contacted the Grand Lodge of the Free and Accepted Masons of the State of New York. It had been a tradition in America to have the cornerstone of major public and private buildings and monuments "consecrated" with full Masonic rites, ever since Freemason George Washington, in 1793, had personally laid the cornerstone of the Capitol, with the assistance of the Grand Lodge of Maryland. [source] ff
also here As you can see its designer was a Freemason also. So in previous link I highligheted the bit of info you tried to contradict me with which is just a little--once sentence--part of a bigger story. Ie., you are missing stuff.
The Statue of Liberty also stands on an 11 pointed base.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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First you linked me to your article featuring the Freedom Tower's architect talk where it is said the building was 65 stories tall, and I counted that and told you it was the occult-familiar 11, and then you responded: Quote:
it's 105 stories
, and now your saying the tower as is "has only 74 (7 4=11! I guess there you go)". So right, we have arrived back 11, agreed? Even you worked that out.
No. There are still 105 stories. Those 74 stories are just office stories, to add in the part you conveniently kept out. There is also a non-office atrium on the 64th floor, which means the offices start again on the 65th (!). How about the fact that there is an 11th floor, a 29th floor, a 38th floor, a 47th floor, and a 56th floor - are those also suspicious?
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This colossus in New York's harbor was conceived by Freemasons,
Half-true. The designer, Frederic Bartholdi, was a Freemason, but the man who came up with the idea, Edouard Rene de Laboulaye, was not.
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financed by Freemasons,
Again, half-true. I'm sure there were masons among the hundreds of thousands of people who donated. From Wikipedia:
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Despite its initial focus on the elites, the Union was successful in raising funds from across French society. Schoolchildren and ordinary citizens gave, as did 181 French municipalities. Laboulaye's political allies supported the call, as did descendants of the French contingent in the American Revolutionary War. Less idealistically, contributions came from those who hoped for American support in the French attempt to build the Panama Canal. The firm of Japy Fr�res, copper merchants, donated all the copper needed to build the statue, a gift valued at 64,000 francs (about $16,000 at the time or the equivalent of $323,000 today). The copper is said to have come from a mine in Visnes, Norway, though this has not been conclusively determined.
This^^^ was before the American side of things swung into action:
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Even with these efforts, fundraising lagged. Grover Cleveland, the governor of New York, vetoed a bill to provide $50,000 for the statue project in 1884. An attempt the next year to have Congress provide $100,000, sufficient to complete the project, failed when Democratic representatives would not agree to the appropriation. The New York committee, with only $3,000 in the bank, suspended work on the pedestal. With the project in jeopardy, groups from other American cities, including Boston and Philadelphia, offered to pay the full cost of erecting the statue in return for relocating it. Joseph Pulitzer, publisher of the World, a New York newspaper, announced a drive to raise $100,000 (the equivalent of $2.3 million today). Pulitzer pledged to print the name of every contributor, no matter how small the amount given. The drive captured the imagination of New Yorkers, especially when Pulitzer began publishing the notes he received from contributors. "A young girl alone in the world" donated "60 cents, the result of self denial." One donor gave "five cents as a poor office boy's mite toward the Pedestal Fund." A group of children sent a dollar as "the money we saved to go to the circus with." Another dollar was given by a "lonely and very aged woman." Residents of a home for alcoholics in New York's rival city of Brooklyn (the cities would not merge until 1898) donated $15; other drinkers helped out through donation boxes in bars and saloons. A kindergarten class in Davenport, Iowa, mailed the World a gift of $1.35.
Pulitzer was not a mason, nor was Grover Cleveland. Perhaps it was the homeless, the drunks, and the schoolchildren who were masons?
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built by Freemasons,
Source? Wiki says it was constructed by Gaget, Gauthier & Co.; I cannot find a source saying they were masons. A man called Eugene Violet-le-duc was a consultant to the project; he was not a mason. Nor were Alexandre-Gustave Effiel or Maurice Koechlin, the men brought in to replace le-duc when he died. The American ambassador to France, Levi Parsons Morton, drove the first rivet, but he also was not a mason. There was some contract work, I suppose it could have been done by masons. The pedestal was designed by Richard Morris Hunt, who was not a mason. Charles Pomeroy Stone oversaw the pedestal's construction; he was not a mason.
So, by my count, we have one (1) mason involved in the construction of the project. I suppose there were also probably a few among the workers who happened to be masons but who were not important enough to be recorded by history.
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and installed by Freemasons in a Freemasonic ceremony.
The statue was dedicated at a ceremony presided over by Grover Cleveland (not a mason). The first speech was made by Ferdinand de Lesseps (not a mason) for the French committee. The second was made by William Maxwell Evarts (not a mason) for the New York committee. The final speech was made by Chauncey Mitchell Depew (not a mason). Perhaps there was a secret masonic ceremony beforehand where some masons snuck onto the island and pretended to be involved?
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The poem about "the huddled masses" inscribed on its base was written by American Jewess, Emma Lazarus.
Oh, and she also wanted to establish a Jewish homeland. I guess everyone who's inspired by it has been secretly brainwashed by the Jews?
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Bartholdi sailed to America, at the suggestion of other Freemasons and kindred spirits in France, for the purpose of proposing the project. Although he had no drawings as he set sail, his Masonic biographer writes, as he entered New York harbor, "he caught a vision of a magnificent goddess (Nimrod's Semiramis—Isis or Astarte), holding aloft a torch (of Illuminism) in one hand and welcoming all visitors to the land of freedom and opportunity" (signifying Brotherhood control of the American people by the "liberties" perpetrated against them).
Oh no, please keep away any liberties that the masons want to force upon us, ugh.
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Returning to France, he managed to raise, through the help of a great deal of Masonic propaganda,
Any description of this propaganda? Or do we just have to take their word for it that it was masonic?
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On Washington's Birthday in 1877, Congress accepted the statue as a gift from the French people.
Celebrating the birthday of the man who practically created our nation is evidence of a masonic rite?
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Bedloe's Island, now Liberty Island, was chosen by General Sherman, the well-known Atlanta-burner.
Yes, I know some people from around my neck of the woods who seriously hate him. Does that matter though?
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On the American side, the chairman of the American committee to receive the statue contacted the Grand Lodge of the Free and Accepted Masons of the State of New York. It had been a tradition in America to have the cornerstone of major public and private buildings and monuments "consecrated" with full Masonic rites, ever since Freemason George Washington, in 1793, had personally laid the cornerstone of the Capitol, with the assistance of the Grand Lodge of Maryland.
Oh wait, so the masons were involved in the installation at some point - doing a ceremony that they did all the time for all kinds of buildings. Everyone knows the masons exist and that they do this kind of stuff - what is the sinister part here? How would this make the statue part of a masonic sacrificial ritual or the Freedom Tower part of a sacrificial ritual?
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The Statue of Liberty also stands on an 11 pointed base.
The base was built using the walls of Fort Wood, which had already existed on the island before the statue was even conceived of. So, these guys kept searching for islands in the middle of New York Harbor until they found one with an 11-sided base already there, and decided to build there since a man who wasn't born yet would think 11 was a magickal number?
I think one thing you are missing here is a point. Even if every single person involved had been a mason, everyone knows the masons exist. Everyone knows they build things. How does that support any of your arguments in this thread? The masons were involved in building a statue that a building built over the remains of the two towers took inspiration from, and that's evidence of some sort of conspiracy?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15774523 - 02/07/12 02:42 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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Oh dearry deaery me what denial! Tis s shame to see. You demand no Freemason chicanary? Wonder where you cherry pick your info from. If the Statue of Liberty was holding up, 'yeah I represent Freemasonry folks' it couldn't be more obvious.
I mean when you consider all the Freemasonioc symbolism all around, is it likely they are NOT gonna have some major statue deisgned and conceived by their secret club mates. No but they could tweak your nose eye brows and eyelashes in front of your face and you'd miss em
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Half-true. The designer, Frederic Bartholdi, was a Freemason, but the man who came up with the idea, Edouard Rene de Laboulaye, was not.
So you choose to believe in your odd universe, but here is from an authority on Freemasonry, Chris Hodapp, author of Freemasons for Dummies ...?
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Edouard Rene de Laboulaye’s name is what appears on the cipher Gates tries to burn to keep out of the hands of the KGC. Apart from being an excuse for the cast and crew to spend two weeks in Paris to shoot two pages of script, Laboulaye is the first Masonic connection in the film. He was an important French author during the mid-1800s, and an ardent admirer of the United States. In 1865, as the American Civil War was ending, Laboulaye assembled a group of fellow Freemasons, including the grandsons of the Marquis d’ Lafayette, French historian Henri Martin, and a young artist named Frederic Auguste Bartholdi. The idea was to present a monument to the United States to represent France’s friendship (along with being a poke in the eye to Napoleon III’s repressive Second Empire by celebrating American style freedoms the French were being deprived of). The Statue of Liberty Enlightening the World was a Masonic conception right from the start, and the construction of its pedestal on Bedloe’s Island was spearheaded by funds raised by the Masons of New York. Even the statue’s internal structure had a Masonic connection – it was designed by Freemason Gustave Eiffel.
At the statue’s dedication in New York in 1884, the Grand Lodge laid the cornerstone, and Grand Master William A. Brodie remarked, “"No institution has done more to promote liberty and to free men from the trammels and chains of ignorance and tyranny than has Freemasonry." The statue was finally completed in 1886.[source]
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I think one thing you are missing here is a point. Even if every single person involved had been a mason, everyone knows the masons exist. Everyone knows they build things. How does that support any of your arguments in this thread? The masons were involved in building a statue that a building built over the remains of the two towers took inspiration from, and that's evidence of some sort of conspiracy?
I am missing the point..?
I know people know the Masons exist.
I know people know they build things, duh.
How does connecting the Statue of Liberty with Freemasonry connect with 9/11 and their new hard-on 'Freedom' Tower?
Well dude in order to understand this you have to absorb what you learn as you go along which you obviously do not seem to be prepared to do, because you have already concluded this questioning, exploration, and inquiry, is all "bullshit", like you seem to other subjects you don't agree with.
You also have to be aware of the 'mundane' clues which seriously challenge the official story of 9/11, and other major world events where people have been lied to by official authority and its propaganda and occultist machine.
You have to remember patterns, and how things connect, and remember, and explore that way. You have to critically think, feel, intuit, and the rest.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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You have to do all those things. I think inquiry should be tempered by serious skepticism though. When I attack the evidence, you act like you've already made up your mind about what it means as well - you keep saying things like "people have been lied to by official authority and its propaganda and occultist machine." That doesn't sound like absorbing the evidence; it sounds like acceptance of a particular worldview.
The details about the Statue of Liberty, 9/11, the NDAA, and the Freedom Tower all do seem completely mundane to me, and a collection of mundane events just does not add up to a conspiracy. If you add in a couple of hard links into the mix, then they might start counting, but every time I ask for a hard link all I get from you are more facts I consider mundane without any serious sort of argument to the contrary. Obviously you feel differently about their relevance.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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You have to do all those things. I think inquiry should be tempered by serious skepticism though. When I attack the evidence, you act like you've already made up your mind about what it means as well - you keep saying things like "people have been lied to by official authority and its propaganda and occultist machine." That doesn't sound like absorbing the evidence; it sounds like acceptance of a particular worldview.
But I dont see you as a serious skeptic, but as a pseudoskeptic
You attack blindly, like you did about the dude who 'thought-up' The Statue of Liberty who you believed was not a Freemason. I showed you he was. That is not me 'already making up my mind' --it is me showing you your wrong.
People HAVE been lied to from official authority, and the evidence exists they have been!!
People were, in a powerful unbelieveably horrific example, lied to about the dropping of nuclear bombs on Hiroshima, and Nagasaki--not that ANY excuse would justify such a crime against nature and humanity. Some months ago I tried to explain this here at these forums but was attacked by the same usual suspects that I was wrong.
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The details about the Statue of Liberty, 9/11, the NDAA, and the Freedom Tower all do seem completely mundane to me, and a collection of mundane events just does not add up to a conspiracy. If you add in a couple of hard links into the mix, then they might start counting, but every time I ask for a hard link all I get from you are more facts I consider mundane without any serious sort of argument to the contrary. Obviously you feel differently about their relevance.
I think the problem is that you are indoctrinated in left-brain thinking and are not aware of it, and thus find it hard to understand patterns and connections and thus a bigger picture.
In the so-called Age of Religion it was extremely dangerous to question the religious belief--it was called heresy, which actually literally means to 'choose'--ie., not to believe their dogma. Talking about the occult would also come with fear of being accused heretic, a witch, and of the devil, and everlasting damnation. So this social controlling propaganda would be excellent to protect an occult elite behind the scenes is what I'm saying!
We're in the Age of Science now, and all of that above is said to be 'superstition' now. Millions of children through the generations are enforced to got to schools, and are indoctrinated in left-brain thinking, and having to accept the prevailing paradigm which is the materialistic-mechanistic-physicalist paradigm. In this worldview if you question this belief system you can be termed 'un-scientific', failing in logic, 'mentally ill', and as we know if we start investigating an occultism behind the scenes we will get called 'conspiracy theorist', 'tin foil hat', 'nut job', 'whacko', 'crazy', the term your Nazi shrink said, etc etc. In fact JUST for questioning the 'mundane' official conspiracy clues you are also liable to get called some of those names! So again, see how this set-up would ALSO be greatly beneficial to a prevailing occult elite behind the scenes!
I also notice that you, and other who share your worldview predictably also question other fields of inquiry such as the paranormal, UFOs, etc and claim that they are "bullshit", or that any challenge to your worldview is bullshit.
This means--as I am understanding it-- that in suppressing the deeper parts of yourself, and making it unconscious, they then can fuck ABOUT more so with your consciousness, control it, and this is the power they are having over you, both with their propaganda, and their occultism. This is also a huge reason for their age-old prohibition against vegetations and substances that can alter consciousness, like the psychedelics. For the essential clue here is that BOTH in the Age of Religion and the Age of Science this prohibition against psychedelics has continued unabated!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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You, sir, are no Karl Popper. I am well aware of the problems of logical positivism. Just wanted to get that out of the way.
So, this is what I said in my post:
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When I attack the evidence, you act like you've already made up your mind about what it means as well - you keep saying things like "people have been lied to by official authority and its propaganda and occultist machine."
In response to this, you switch subjects and pretend my claim is about factual matters such as Laboulaye's mason status instead of statements like the one I quoted:
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You attack blindly, like you did about the dude who 'thought-up' The Statue of Liberty who you believed was not a Freemason. I showed you he was. That is not me 'already making up my mind' --it is me showing you your wrong.
We have both been shown wrong about various factual points in this thread. What is so damning about that? You still have the opportunity to make counterarguments, as do I. My attacks were not "blind" - they were bolstered by the fact that Laboulaye's Wikipedia page doesn't mention that he was a freemason, something I had expected would show up if he was. I was wrong about that. There were still numerous points about your version of the Statue of Liberty's history that were either flat-out wrong or distortions, as the rest of my post indicated.
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People HAVE been lied to from official authority, and the evidence exists they have been!!
Well, that is certainly true, I can think of several instances of politicians and other authorities lying. What could I have possibly said to disagree with that?
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you keep saying things like "people have been lied to by official authority and its propaganda and occultist machine."
Oh, I was claiming that your statement about there being an occult propaganda-spewing official authority conspiracy sounded like you'd made up your mind about there being an occult propaganda-spewing official authority conspiracy. How wrong of me.
Politicians lie; that is an undisputed fact. I don't think it requires any indoctrination into a worldview to accept that. When you say they lie to further their occultist conspiracy, however, that implies that you have bought into a certain worldview.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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I do have a bent for the "materialistic-mechanistic-physicalist paradigm" as you call it, I admit. We should be honest and upfront about such things. I think that there are very sound reasons for accepting that sort of paradigm as a model of investigation. One of the most wonderful is that you can update your beliefs when new evidence is presented. Another is that it avoids investigative techniques that are likely to pick up false positives.
Obviously there are things that are difficult to explore with that paradigm, but that neither invalidates the paradigm nor makes things like numerology valid. In both this and the debunking thread, whenever you have been faced with either an attack on your methodologies or a counterattack of your arguments against "scientism", you have consistently ignored the arguments and gone back to linking to more articles, videos, and the like without even stating why they support your position or what you think they support at all.
That does not sound like someone who wishes to explore things; that sounds like someone who is convinced they are right and if they could just find the right piece of evidence the other side would agree as well. Perhaps there is a smoking gun, but it's very annoying to argue with someone who jumps around like that.
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Millions of children through the generations are enforced to got to schools, and are indoctrinated in left-brain thinking, and having to accept the prevailing paradigm which is the materialistic-mechanistic-physicalist paradigm.
Please come to the United States, where the study of science is being attacked not only in the educational system but in the political arena, and agenda-driven gibberish like Intelligent Design is trying to take its place.
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In fact JUST for questioning the 'mundane' official conspiracy clues you are also liable to get called some of those names! So again, see how this set-up would ALSO be greatly beneficial to a prevailing occult elite behind the scenes!
Ah, well, if you've been called names then obviously you are correct. I can ALSO see how the exact same thing would happen even if there isn't an occult elite! Given that, how does this prove your point?
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This means--as I am understanding it-- that in suppressing the deeper parts of yourself, and making it unconscious, they then can fuck ABOUT more so with your consciousness, control it, and this is the power they are having over you, both with their propaganda, and their occultism. This is also a huge reason for their age-old prohibition against vegetations and substances that can alter consciousness, like the psychedelics. For the essential clue here is that BOTH in the Age of Religion and the Age of Science this prohibition against psychedelics has continued unabated!
I can't think of any particular reason this speaks directly to the statement above, but I just thought of this quote when I read that. Ignore it if you like:
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We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Politicians lie; that is an undisputed fact. I don't think it requires any indoctrination into a worldview to accept that. When you say they lie to further their occultist conspiracy, however, that implies that you have bought into a certain worldview.
OK, we agree that politicians lie have we? get the flags out!! Well that is good. But you do not really understand the extent of that LIE, which is plain for everyone to see who can see like me seeing you doing it.
You seem to imagine you yourself do not inhabit a worldview don't you?
We of course all have worldviews because we are all unique individuals, but I have tried to tell you why I think your not getting this--which seems very clear to me, and others who are also getting it--though I am exploring it, finding more and more out. I am not arrogant enough to say I know for sure what this all 'means'. I am investigating. You, on other other hand, obviously are in some way attracted to this topic, but maybe in a way you see fit to expose it as false, but you seem to have no interest to even investigate about it because you have already decided, like you keep saying, it is all just coincidences, mundane, and bullshit. THAT is your worldview. To me that is a mediocre, lacklustre, disinterested, and unscientific approach, and uncreative.
There is definately something going on, but you do not see it, refuse to see it--or pretend not to.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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You seem to imagine you yourself do not inhabit a worldview don't you?
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I do have a bent for the "materialistic-mechanistic-physicalist paradigm" as you call it, I admit.
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We of course all have worldviews because we are all unique individuals...though I am exploring it, finding more and more out. I am not arrogant enough to say I know for sure what this all 'means'.
Are you arrogant enough to be sure that this all "means" anything at all?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Are you arrogant enough to be sure that this all "means" anything at all?
No, I am intrigued how people like yourself cannot see the meaning of all this, hence the reason me trying to offer an explanation for why that might be, though of course I predicted you wouldn't accept my insight. lol
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15786919 - 02/10/12 01:27 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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By the way people, this thread is not ended, there will be lots more to come so watch this space
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15793296 - 02/11/12 02:47 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I found out today that the height of the Statue of Liberty from head to foot is 111 feet and 1 inch, (33.86m) so that is:
11 11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15793437 - 02/11/12 03:24 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
http://www.howtallisthestatueofliberty.org/
http://www.howtallisthestatueofliberty.org/
Depends on where you measure it... (Seems you are not counting the French made base, nor the American pedestal... just head to toe).
But it seems your calculations may be off by six inches.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15793649 - 02/11/12 04:06 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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-ZZRIPZ-
I wrote and made most of this webpage, and it is under construction and unfinished in some parts.
www.wearechangewichita.com/the-fight/the-occult-and-beyond/
I would REALLY like it if you were to check out this portion of the site as it pertains to this discussion and your interest too (feel free to browse around to other sections too of course).
There is a lot there it is pretty long but I would really appreciate your take, hopefully you can fill in some gaps and I can teach you a thing or two. I don't want to derail this thread so feel free to PM me if you want.
Thanks and Peace Bro!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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I wrote and made most of this webpage, and it is under construction and unfinished in some parts.
www.wearechangewichita.com/the-fight/the-occult-and-beyond/
I would REALLY like it if you were to check out this portion of the site as it pertains to this discussion and your interest too (feel free to browse around to other sections too of course).
There is a lot there it is pretty long but I would really appreciate your take, hopefully you can fill in some gaps and I can teach you a thing or two. I don't want to derail this thread so feel free to PM me if you want.
Thanks and Peace Bro!
Hey man thanks very much. I would love to collaborate with you. the more of us get toether on this complex subject the better. I haven't checked oout your links yet, but just felt the need to say this first.Quote:
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
http://www.howtallisthestatueofliberty.org/
http://www.howtallisthestatueofliberty.org/
Depends on where you measure it... (Seems you are not counting the French made base, nor the American pedestal... just head to toe).
But it seems your calculations may be off by six inches.
Well the website that features the measurement I gave seems pretty meticulous in its measurements, AND if we take into account the overall picture, the Freemasonic idea for the stature, design, and freemasonic foundation of the statue I would say that out of all said measurements the one my source gives would fit more because the love the 11. Why should they count the base---? the neasurement would be relevent to what the statue represents--their goddess concept. But until I am actually there with my measureing tape I cannot let you know for sure. But why would that site lie?---would you say it is a 'conspiracy' site?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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The Statue of Liberty is 22 stories high:
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How tall is the Statue of Liberty? The Statue is 305ft. 1in. from the ground to the tip of the flame. It is the equivalent height of a 22-story building. In 1886, it was the tallest structure in New York. See more Statue Statistics.http://www.nps.gov/stli/faqs.htm
22 is 2 X 11
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Well the website that features the measurement I gave seems pretty meticulous in its measurements, AND if we take into account the overall picture, the Freemasonic idea for the stature, design, and freemasonic foundation of the statue I would say that out of all said measurements the one my source gives would fit more because the love the 11. Why should they count the base---? the neasurement would be relevent to what the statue represents--their goddess concept. But until I am actually there with my measureing tape I cannot let you know for sure. But why would that site lie?---would you say it is a 'conspiracy' site?
Ignore all evidence that is contrary to your theory
Argue the bits that aren't contrary support the conclusion because the conclusion would be supported
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The Statue of Liberty is 22 stories high:
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How tall is the Statue of Liberty? The Statue is 305ft. 1in. from the ground to the tip of the flame. It is the equivalent height of a 22-story building. In 1886, it was the tallest structure in New York. See more Statue Statistics.http://www.nps.gov/stli/faqs.htm
22 is 2 X 11
A story is not a set measurement - I've seen people define the height of story as anything from 10 to 15 feet. So a 305 foot statue could reasonably be called anything from 30 stories to 20 stories. As usual, you just take the most convenient statistic.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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I think i needto cleanse my mind after reading all this  .
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Ignore all evidence that is contrary to your theory
Why does this accusation not apply to you?
You do it all the time. But you do it also in a way which includes denying, or conveniently 'forgetting' the whole picture--as the investigation continues-- which you fail to remember. And so anyone trying to enlighten you about this complex subject can only feel frustrated with such an attitude.
Either you are for real ior you are a definatly a shill whose role here at these forums is to pretend they don't see what is being shown--which ANYONE with common sense can--or you are affected by you 'education', as I have explained above, which prevents you from seeing how the powers that be create a mytholgy which underlies your sense of reality unbeknownst to your conscious mind. In order to begin seeing this you need let go of your rigic mechanistic philosophy which has been induced in you since being very small.
You can see from the sites I quoted those measurements from how they were not 'conspiracy sites', so how come they reported those very telling measurements then. Answer?
You do now agree that the Statue is Freemasonic right? Or do you still deny that?
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A story is not a set measurement - I've seen people define the height of story as anything from 10 to 15 feet. So a 305 foot statue could reasonably be called anything from 30 stories to 20 stories. As usual, you just take the most convenient statistic.
Why, in your opinion is THE PENTAGON (11 letters) 77 feet tall. Give us your 'scientific' 'statistical' 'logical' reason?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Either you are for real ior you are a definatly a shill whose role here at these forums is to pretend they don't see what is being shown--which ANYONE with common sense can--or you are affected by you 'education', as I have explained above, which prevents you from seeing how the powers that be create a mytholgy which underlies your sense of reality unbeknownst to your conscious mind. In order to begin seeing this you need let go of your rigic mechanistic philosophy which has been induced in you since being very small.
Actually I work for the CIA and I am paying him good money to say these things.
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Either you are for real ior you are a definatly a shill whose role here at these forums is to pretend they don't see what is being shown--which ANYONE with common sense can--or you are affected by you 'education', as I have explained above, which prevents you from seeing how the powers that be create a mytholgy which underlies your sense of reality unbeknownst to your conscious mind. In order to begin seeing this you need let go of your rigic mechanistic philosophy which has been induced in you since being very small.
Actually I work for the CIA and I am paying him good money to say these things.
Holy Shit!
Me too!
I can't believe I am admitting this on a forum!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Are you arrogant enough to be sure that this all "means" anything at all?
No, I am intrigued how people like yourself cannot see the meaning of all this, hence the reason me trying to offer an explanation for why that might be, though of course I predicted you wouldn't accept my insight. lol
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Either you are for real ior you are a definatly a shill whose role here at these forums is to pretend they don't see what is being shown--which ANYONE with common sense can--or you are affected by you 'education', as I have explained above, which prevents you from seeing how the powers that be create a mytholgy which underlies your sense of reality unbeknownst to your conscious mind. In order to begin seeing this you need let go of your rigic mechanistic philosophy which has been induced in you since being very small.
For all these claims, you sure spend an awful lot of time insulting people and presuming to tell them about their childhood, education, and mode of thinking, rather than backing up your claims. Interesting to see which side of this question discusses the merits of the case and which side just repeats unsupported conclusions and flames people who ask for some evidence.
After all this nonsense, you've still not shown any evidence that your number theory has any legitimacy. It appears Benford's Law explains pretty much all the 11 sightings you mention, even if they occur more often than a random distribution would predict, which you've certainly not shown either.
The rest of the 'magic numbers' seem to include any multiple of 11 or 9, any number with digits that add to 11 or 9, any words with hebrew or english that equal 11 or 9, and so forth. Add in the fact that you ignore negative instances (all those figures that don't give you something you can massage into 9 or 11), and it seems pretty doubtful this is anything but confirmation bias and constantly changing goalposts.
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I am not "flaming" anyone. I notice you conveniently ignore the fact that right on first appearence the guy I was speaking too suggested I had a condition which makes me see things that are not there. Did I go running to you to complain? No. But it could be argued that that was flaming, but criticizing a persons judgement, so please do not take sides like that. Obviously you share his worldview so you would gladly ignore such as that, as you usually do.
Bentford's Law. I see, but you don't even make an effort to link to anywhere to help people look at this. I dont care what you think of me, with your judgements, but at least I make effort to show exacmple and give links and videos which is more than the group you bellong to:
I Googled, and found this More 11:11 moronity | John Graham-Cumming
But I dont really dig what he is saying. LOOK:
Let us start at the very beeegining. A very good place to start...
911
WHY that day?
Now you can say it isn't '9/11' it is September 11, but how many freekin times have we heard the politicians saying 9/11? There is a funny video I've saved somewhere where you see all of em saying '9/11 9/11 9/11' 'terrorists' 'terronism--over and over.
Now the very number 9/11 is THE American emergency number isn't it? So it would eg be perfect for a flase flag event wouldn't it? You know manipulating minds--wouldn't you say? I am not saying that is just it, but that was their BIG HERALDING IN THE NWO DAY. 11 years PRIOR to that day, GeorgeBush did a NWO speech ON 9/11, 1990. you dont see a connection? How does your mate Bentford explain just this?
how come he did't give it on 8/11, or 10/11 or 12 years before 9/11?
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The rest of the 'magic numbers' seem to include any multiple of 11 or 9, any number with digits that add to 11 or 9, any words with hebrew or english that equal 11 or 9, and so forth. Add in the fact that you ignore negative instances (all those figures that don't give you something you can massage into 9 or 11), and it seems pretty doubtful this is anything but confirmation bias and constantly changing goalposts.
I dont really know what you mean because you do not give examples.
I am seeing definate patterns. It bemuses me that others dont, hence I have tried to give my opinion why that may not be, one of them being that the mechanistic enforced 'education' system we have to attend is designed to atrophy the functiion of imagination which can see different layers of meaning. For this is what mythos is all about. It is seeing associations. One book which really made me realize the power of mythology was the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Allegro. HE wrote that book WAYYY before 9/11 and 'conspiracy theories' yet he shows clearly how the writers of myth constructed it in layers of meaning, the core layers only for the understanding of the initiated. And this they acutally refer to when in Revelations it is writ:
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Here is wisedome. Let him that hath vnderstanding, count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number is, sixe hundred threescore and sixe.
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Isn't what is being referred to there the very same what this thread is trying to explore and share? It is saying 'for those who have understanding'--those who can read beneath the literal surface of the script! Where you count the letters, and recognize number, and symbolism.
This has all be admitted by high degree Masons, and occultists.
So are you saying John, that the powers that be have left all this behind as mere superstition? That you view all this as mumbo jumbo?
I asked the question above--why is the Pentagon 77 feet? Do you know?
Seems a strange number to build to?
it doesn't hurt to say you don't. I am not coming on here as THE foremost authority of the occult elite. I admit that I am learning as I go along. This is very complex. It is not JUST numbers, but includes occultist astrology, geomancy, symbolism, wordplay, etc etc.
Why did those towers have 110 stories each? There is that 11 again.
Did you know Larry Silverstein went and bought the Sears Tower which is 110 stories high and full of asbestos?!
Why? These questions very much intrigue me, as does the NDAA bill calculating as 911 /andor 11
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11 years PRIOR to that day, GeorgeBush did a NWO speech ON 9/11, 1990. you dont see a connection?
No, I don't. How would it help them to do an attack 11 years after some speech that no one remembers? I think it they chose that day because its the emergency number.
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one of them being that the mechanistic enforced 'education' system we have to attend is designed to atrophy the functiion of imagination which can see different layers of meaning.
To contend that the educators who write the cirriculum are designing it to destroy imagination is silly. Education is bad for many reasons, but that just isn't one of them. Teaching is a difficult task. They do their best with the resources they have. At the end of the day, the education system sucks, but they do what they can to encourage creativity and imagination.
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For this is what mythos is all about. It is seeing associations.
If you look too hard for associations, you are going to find them where they do not exist in reality. The brain is a pattern matching device.
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I asked the question above--why is the Pentagon 77 feet? Do you know?
Seems a strange number to build to?
If it was 66 or 88 feet you would also find that highly suspicious.
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Why did those towers have 110 stories each? There is that 11 again.
110 is not 11. If it had 66 stories, 77 stories, 91 stories, or any number of stories really, you would claim that was significant in some sinister way.
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No, I don't. How would it help them to do an attack 11 years after some speech that no one remembers? I think it they chose that day because its the emergency number.
In this VERY complex subject you cannot un-remember things you have found out in the exploration. You have to try and keep track. pay attention, because it can be deep. Of course somethings get forgot so I have to remind myself, but the GIST of it has to be kept in mind otherwise you just will get nowehere.
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Who is noone? I am very much remembering it, and you can be damned sure those invested in what Pressy Bush senior was talking about--the New World Order--are remembering it alright!
First SEE that 11 is being used again and again.
Dont conclude because you personally cannot fathom why that number is significant to them and then conclude that it is therfore worthless to investigate
I have found 11 is their "master number'. It doesn't necessarily HAVE to mean just one thing, but could be assocative--having multiple meanings for them. Some researcher claim that numbers themselves have vibrational qualities which can affect us---this idea 'comes from' Pythagoras.
As you notice, 911 is an EMERGENCY number, so, please play with this---enter the mind of some group who choose a day that is gonna be their 'New Pearl Harbour', and is designed to by the major lynchpin for their dream of a New World Order. In order to drive this into the 'masses' consciousness they must really make this event or mega-ritual seem like a MAJOR EMERGENCY, right Which of course it was, but the numbers attached to it--the actual emergency number would deepen this sense even more, and continue doing so as the repeat that number over and over and over and over again in their media. Remember all those emergency warning that proceeded 9/11 also?
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To contend that the educators who write the cirriculum are designing it to destroy imagination is silly. Education is bad for many reasons, but that just isn't one of them. Teaching is a difficult task. They do their best with the resources they have. At the end of the day, the education system sucks, but they do what they can to encourage creativity and imagination.
Well, all I can suggest is you checkout the work of John Taylor Gatto who was a teacher, and was to expose exactly what so-called 'education' is all about. You can read his book online The Underground History of American Education
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It began in Prussia …At the beginning of the 19th century, Prussia decided that in order to have efficient management it needed to remove the ability of ordinary people to think, of ordinary people to imagine and invent , and they drew on an ancient system which had more or less been contructed on philosophers since Plato called Universal Schooling. They had to force it at bayonet point, you know under pain of the law or otherwise people catch on too quickly...the date is 1819. For the first time in human history, a successful universal system of forced schooling is in place ….[brought successfully to be by the force of bayonets
Gatto is not the only one to heavily criticize so-called education of course, and it is even generally known that it is geared to emphasize left-brain thinking and thus atrophy our imagination.
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If you look too hard for associations, you are going to find them where they do not exist in reality. The brain is a pattern matching device.
LOL. you make it sound like the brain and mind is a machine. I am dead against that worldview. That is the very worldview promoted by 'education'--namely that we are deterministic robots with no free-will. Meanwhiiiile the 'hidden hand'==the occultists behind the scene/curtain==== have as their prophet Aleister Crowley who is supposedly to have channeled a spirit dictating him The Book of the Law within which it says toDo What Thou Wilt Shall be the Whole of the Law. See a contradiction here?
Who is this law referring to? The slaves? Most of us? Who are brainwashed to conform and believe we are meaningless flukes on a meaningless planet, and are just here to not think feel and keep workin, and paying taxes to an evil fukin war machine that drops depleted uranium, and agent organge, and nukes, and BOMBS on babies, children, people, ALL life?
William Ramsey, in his book Prophet of Evil: Aleister Crowley, 9/11 and the New World Ordermakes it clear that Crowley was not meaning ALL people, but an aristocratic hidden elite! And are they NOT doing just what the hell they want to do and not giving a shit about the consequences?
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If it was 66 or 88 feet you would also find that highly suspicious.
Well, it is true that those numbers, because they are multiples of 11, for example 6x11, and 8x11 are of course relevant to them, but in understanding why they would choose 77, you surely have to know about THAT number. Why THAT one? Whats with the 77? So you begin looking into that, and find correlations. How come for example Flight 77 was the one to crash into The Pentagon? I have explained above the signifance of that number as quoted by Crowley,
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110 is not 11. If it had 66 stories, 77 stories, 91 stories, or any number of stories really, you would claim that was significant in some sinister way.
See your not keeping up. We have already said more than once that in gematria the zeros are left out, and thus 110 without the 0 = 11
As a matter of reminding you, Building 7 which is the 'Salomon Building' had 47 floors-- 4+7 = 11. But did you miss the name of that building, and how it can be associated with the biblical story of Solomon, and thus Solomon's Temple, or is this too far out for you?
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I have found 11 is their "master number'. It doesn't necessarily HAVE to mean just one thing, but could be assocative--having multiple meanings for them.
Why would they have a master number? How would that help them take over the world?
If these occult folks are so powerful, why would they play games with numbers?
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Some researcher claim that numbers themselves have vibrational qualities which can affect us---this idea 'comes from' Pythagoras.
Those kind of vibrations do not exist.
I don't think it is possible to take over the world. There are so many leaders and they are changing all the time. Someone could take over some aspect of the world, temporarily, but no one can run it all.
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Why would they have a master number? How would that help them take over the world?
Because they believe in the power of numbers in their occult belief system, hence they have master numbers. It may not make sense to you but it does to them.
It is not ONLY A 'master-number' that they hope will help maintain and acheive their 'Great Work' their NWO. The use other stuff also like building measurements, geomancy, occultist astrology, and secret rituals, and all forms of symbolism---which they believe is the more powerful when their slaves do not understand it.
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If these occult folks are so powerful, why would they play games with numbers?
Because they think that by doing these 'old methods' it will keep them powerful? With me? Apparently this occult shit goes quite far back, to the Pharaohs, to Babylon.
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Those kind of vibrations do not exist.
How do you actually know that? Reality is vibrational is it not? Isn't everything vibrating?
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I don't think it is possible to take over the world. There are so many leaders and they are changing all the time. Someone could take over some aspect of the world, temporarily, but no one can run it all.
Well that is their dream of a NWO. They believe their way should be imposed on everyone on earth. Have you seen what happens to people when they 'occupy' 'their property', even with polite manners?
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Apparently this occult shit goes quite far back, to the Pharaohs, to Babylon.
Yes, but that occult shit is about as believable as santa claus.
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Those kind of vibrations do not exist.
How do you actually know that? Reality is vibrational is it not? Isn't everything vibrating?
Reality is not vibrational. Everything is not vibrating, unless you are talking about temperature. Everyone who I have ever met who talks about vibrations doesn't understand what a vibration is, and is severely misusing the term.
All of my new age friends talk about vibrational energy, but when I ask them to be more specific, they are like "You know, that energy...." I ask what energy is and they mumble something about vibrations.
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Have you seen what happens to people when they 'occupy' 'their property', even with polite manners?
No. What happens when people occupy the new world order's property?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Here is wisedome. Let him that hath vnderstanding, count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number is, sixe hundred threescore and sixe.
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so it's 636 as three score would be thirty
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Did you know Larry Silverstein went and bought the Sears Tower which is 110 stories high and full of asbestos?!
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so it's 636 as three score would be thirty
Is a score not twenty? Or did Lincoln fuck up on the Gettysburg Address in 1863?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: MorphinTime]
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Yes, a score is 20.
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Yes, but that occult shit is about as believable as santa claus.
That is not the point. The point is --do their exist occultist clues all over 9/11, etc. If they believe in the occult(which actually means 'hidden', so obviously their beliefs are 'hidden') doesn't mean you have to, but if you have interest in this obviously you have to investigate it or else you don't.
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Reality is not vibrational. Everything is not vibrating, unless you are talking about temperature. Everyone who I have ever met who talks about vibrations doesn't understand what a vibration is, and is severely misusing the term.
Again, that is your worldview, and is besides the point in this thread of inquiry (this thread isn't titled 'is reality vibratory?'). We are trying to find out how these occultists see reality, and why they use numbers etc in their occult pratices, and rituals, such as their mega-ritual of 9/11.
There is eveidence that a big part of their belief system includes Hermeticism, and in Hermeticism there is called a Quote:
"Principle of Vibration":The Principle of Vibration embodies the idea that motion is manifest in everything in the Universe, that nothing rests, and everything moves, vibrates, and circles.[3] This principle explains that the differences between different manifestations of Matter, Energy, Mind, and even Spirit, are the result of only different "vibrations".[4] The higher a person is on the scale, the higher the rate of vibration will be. Here, The All is purported to be at an infinite level of vibration, almost to the point of being at rest. There are said to be millions upon millions of varying degrees between the highest level, The All, and the objects of the lowest vibration.[5]
Mental Transmutation is described as the practical application of this principle. To change one's mental state is to change vibration. One may do this by an effort of Will, by means of deliberately "fixing the attention" upon a more desirable state.[6]” [source]
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No. What happens when people occupy the new world order's property?
you musta missed the news huh?
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Again, that is your worldview, and is besides the point in this thread of inquiry (this thread isn't titled 'is reality vibratory?'). We are trying to find out how these occultists see reality, and why they use numbers etc in their occult pratices, and rituals, such as their mega-ritual of 9/11.
It's not some difference in worldviews between you and your opponents that makes your argument absurd - it's the way in which all your arguments rely on the existence of a class of people who believe absurd, sometimes dumb things but have almost supernatural-level control over world events. We are asking for proof these people exist and that they believe these things - without it, obviously we are going to disagree with your theories. Just because obscure myths can be found does not mean that people act on them.
My theory is that the Pentagon is 77 feet tall because sometimes buildings are 77 feet tall, and yours is that there is a secret society of politically powerful 11-worshippers who either built it that tall on purpose. You seem to think that claiming that you're only "investigating" this theory of yours somehow means that we can pretend the theory is correct. But our issue is not whether 77 can be interpreted in some way that makes sense for occultists; the issue is whether or not these people exist at all.
When we ask why you think these people would exist, you point to the Pentagon's height and claim it's evidence that they exist. Then we ask why you think it's evidence (as opposed to just being a random fact), and you point to your invented class of people and say that it's obviously evidence because these people (obviously) exist. Isn't that absurd?
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Just because obscure myths can be found does not mean that people act on them.
Ever heard of The Inquisition? Wasn't that myth acted on?
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so it's 636 as three score would be thirty
Is a score not twenty? Or did Lincoln fuck up on the Gettysburg Address in 1863?
damn you people, ruin the fun... still though
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Ever heard of The Inquisition? Wasn't that myth acted on?
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The hell it doesn't. The inquisition, witch hunts, blood sacrifices for the sun god, all of these are mumbo jumbo myths and yet people act on them, to the point where people are sacrificed.
Lot of people were sacrificed on 9/11 and it ushered in a reign of terror. Do you feel safer now than you did in the 90's when we didn't have all this bollocks security in airports and now train stations and everywhere else?
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The hell it doesn't. The inquisition, witch hunts, blood sacrifices for the sun god, all of these are mumbo jumbo myths and yet people act on them, to the point where people are sacrificed.
the gods will not be pleased of there's not a human sacrifice.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/317075
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Lot of people were sacrificed on 9/11 and it ushered in a reign of terror. Do you feel safer now than you did in the 90's when we didn't have all this bollocks security in airports and now train stations and everywhere else?
well, let's see... in the last 10 years I've seen very little that
indicated the general public was afraid of terrorists yet in the 90s I
recall walking into a place to pay a cell phone bill, I set a laptop on
the counter and was asked by the girl behind the counter if it was a bomb,
she began talking about militias and other crazy shit. it was completely
out of the blue and quite unexpected. back in the 90s here in the US we had
several acts of domestic terrorism or incidences reported as such which
prompted the news media to run hundreds of pieces over several years that
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investigate (v.) Look up investigate at Dictionary.com
c.1500, back formation from investigation, or else from L. investigatus, pp. of investigare "to trace out, search after" (see investigation). Related: Investigated; investigating.
I recently watched this great video which I recommend, below, and in it it is mentioned that WTC 7 was said by CNN to have collapsed at 10:45. I immediately realized that that time implies a 9 and 11. ie., in 15 minutes it will be 11-O'clock. Big hand on number 9, little hand touching 11?
"CNN Reported at 11:07 am that Building 7 had collapsed at 10:45, or 15 minutes after the second tower collapse at around 10:30. CNN got their misinformation from the respected news agency Reuters, which picked up an incorrect report. [a "cock up"...?] They have issued this statement: “On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen.” [[url=http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/ ]source[/url]]
I then remembered that the BBC had reported the "Salomon Building" had already collapsed even though their journalist in New Yrok was telling the viewing public this announcement with it still standing behind her witless head.
I am therefore summizing the BBC got their information from CNN?
Here's their take on their MAJOR 'gaff':
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The 9/11 conspiracy theories [hmmm got THAT term in quick] are pretty well known by now. The BBC addressed them earlier this month with a documentary, The Conspiracy Files, shown within the UK. Until now, I don't think we've been accused of being part of the conspiracy . But now some websites are using news footage from BBC World on September 11th 2001 to suggest we were actively participating in some sort of attempt to manipulate the audience. As a result, we're now getting lots of emails asking us to clarify our position. So here goes:
[excuses]…” 4. We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another.
5. If we reported the building had collapsed before it had done so, it would have been an error - no more than that. As one of the comments on You Tube says today "so the guy in the studio didn't quite know what was going on? Woah, that totally proves conspiracy... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html
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An "error"...a "cock-up"?...wonder they didn't say that term "coincidence" too, also, cause according to the official story tellers the day was CHOCK FULL of errors, and cock-ups, and coincidences, wasn't it?
I noticed one readers comment to their explanations and excuses:
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Both CNN and the BBC received word that WTC 7 was going to collapse, or was collapsing. Why do you deny this?
Now when I was pondering this I remember that there had been an insistence from officialdom on the 9/11 victim count
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2 + 8 + 1 = 11
911GATE
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I recently watched this great video which I recommend, below, and in it it is mentioned that WTC 7 was said by CNN to have collapsed at 10:45. I immediately realized that that time implies a 9 and 11. ie., in 15 minutes it will be 11-O'clock. Big hand on number 9, little hand touching 11?
wow... how thin can you stretch it?
10:45 in no way implies 9/11 and CNN didnt say that WTC7 collapsed at
10:45, they didnt know the extent of the damage and it showed no signs
of collapse until after 1pm EST. at 10:45 firefighters we still inside
trying to contain fires with what little water pressure they had and
policing the building to ensure it was empty
some sources say it was the BBC that made this report and that it was 'a
3rd building' not WTC7 specifically, in fact it was WTC3 that was struck
by debris and buried
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriott_World_Trade_Center
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"CNN Reported at 11:07 am that Building 7 had collapsed at 10:45, or 15 minutes after the second tower collapse at around 10:30. CNN got their misinformation from the respected news agency Reuters, which picked up an incorrect report. [a "cock up"...?] They have issued this statement: “On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen.” [[url=http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/ ]source[/url]]
the 50 story Marriott which was actually only 22 (cue ominous music for
22); also known as WTC3; collapsed under the debris from the towers, no
where is it said that WTC7 or the Solomon Building collapsed so it appears
you still love to cite faulty and erroneous sources without checking the
facts, the height of the building was in error because these reporters are
going off what they hear from other sources
source... Allan Dodds Frank, CNN report
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I then remembered that the BBC had reported the "Salomon Building" had already collapsed even though their journalist in New Yrok was telling the viewing public this announcement with it still standing behind her witless head.
I am therefore summizing the BBC got their information from CNN?
or how about as was explained in another thread, the BBC report happened
just several minutes before the WTC7 Collapse, like most new sources they
monitor the police and fire scanners as well as other sources such as
reuters and the associated press wires, everyone knew that the building was
going to collapse hours before the collapse, the many interviews with
emergency personnel reflect that shortly after noon they firedepartment
knew the fires were unmanagable, shortly after it was reported that the
structure was becoming weak and that emergency personnel needed to be 'pulled'
there's even an interview as part of a documentary that gives a more
indepth interview with Jane Standley and even mentions those missing BBC
tapes as only being misfiled in a different year. the origianl broadcast
for most of the networks including the BBC for that day are on an archive
on the net and are accessible for all
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The hell it doesn't. The inquisition, witch hunts, blood sacrifices for the sun god, all of these are mumbo jumbo myths and yet people act on them, to the point where people are sacrificed.
Those things all did happen. However, what I said was this:
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Just because obscure myths can be found does not mean that people act on them.
I did not say that there were no myths that people acted upon. I said that not every myth gets acted upon.
And it's not just that the argument doesn't contradict my position - the analogy isn't even appropriate. In the case of the Inquisition, the mythological milieu acted upon was Catholicism. A religion that had had a widely accepted and largely coherent doctrine for over a thousand years and which was more powerful at the time than any governmental organization. Some hodgepodge melange of superstition and piecemeal myth from multiple cultures cobbled together by an eccentric nobleman is supposed to have the same level of influence over world events as Catholicism?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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10:45 in no way implies 9/11
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and CNN didnt say that WTC7 collapsed at
10:45,
you can see and read all ABOUT it here http://letsrollforums.com/wtc-7-ccn-reports-t25283.html to VERIFY what I said.
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"CNN Reported at 11:07 am that Building 7 had collapsed at 10:45, or 15 minutes after the second tower collapse at around 10:30. CNN got their misinformation from the respected news agency Reuters, which picked up an incorrect report. [a "cock up"...?] They have issued this statement: “On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen.” [[url=http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/ ]source[/url]]
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the 50 story Marriott which was actually only 22 (cue ominous music for
22); also known as WTC3; collapsed under the debris from the towers, no
where is it said that WTC7 or the Solomon Building collapsed so it appears
you still love to cite faulty and erroneous sources without checking the
facts, the height of the building was in error because these reporters are
going off what they hear from other sources
Yeah, like your sources are wheres its at LOL
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or how about as was explained in another thread, the BBC report happened
just several minutes before the WTC7 Collapse, like most new sources they
monitor the police and fire scanners as well as other sources such as
reuters and the associated press wires, everyone knew that the building was
going to collapse hours before the collapse, the many interviews with
emergency personnel reflect that shortly after noon they firedepartment
knew the fires were unmanagable, shortly after it was reported that the
structure was becoming weak and that emergency personnel needed to be 'pulled'
ANYone with any expertize, and common sense, and EYES can see it is a controlled demo
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there's even an interview as part of a documentary that gives a more
indepth interview [] with Jane Standley and even mentions those missing BBC
tapes as only being misfiled in a different year [THEY're the cock ups who said they'd cocked up!]'But I just know they could say black was white and you'd believe it....
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the origianl broadcast
for most of the networks including the BBC for that day are on an archive
on the net and are accessible for all
well in the article i quoted from the BBC they were asking the public to help me out couse they thought they had and lost em. WOW so organized. we can really trust them, right? What the fuck did they do in the WARS poor things--runnin round like headless chickens about collapsin sykscrapers?
Notice a big dodge about the ' "11" victim count'---just a coincidence ey?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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what I said was this:
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Just because obscure myths can be found does not mean that people act on them.
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I did not say that there were no myths that people acted upon. I said that not every myth gets acted upon.
well errr duh we know THAT, but we are not talking about every myth. Take the Nazis, do you not know they were following a myth?.........Look what happened! hint hint.
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And it's not just that the argument doesn't contradict my position - the analogy isn't even appropriate. In the case of the Inquisition, the mythological milieu acted upon was Catholicism. A religion that had had a widely accepted and largely coherent doctrine for over a thousand years and which was more powerful at the time than any governmental organization. Some hodgepodge melange of superstition and piecemeal myth from multiple cultures cobbled together by an eccentric nobleman is supposed to have the same level of influence over world events as Catholicism?
But this is because you dont seem to grasping what is being revealed in this thread plus the many links. What do you know of Freemasonry and their myth? What do you know about Skull and Bones and their myth? yet the elites belong to these clubs...dont they?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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well in the article i quoted from the BBC they were asking the public to help me out couse they thought they had and lost em. WOW so organized. we can really trust them, right?
So things were incredibly chaotic, and that supports your position that there were people running the whole show?
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Notice a big dodge about the ' "11" victim count'---just a coincidence ey?
Current death counts from Wikipedia:
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The attacks resulted in the death of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers and 2,977 victims.[32] The victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in New York City in the towers and on the ground, and 125 at the Pentagon.[33][34] Nearly all of the victims were civilians; 55 military personnel were among those killed at the Pentagon
2+9+9+6 = 26 = 8
1+9 = 10 = 1
2+9+7+7 = 25 = 7
2+4+6 = 12 = 3
2+6+0+6 = 14 = 5
1+2+5 = 8
5+5 = 10 = 1
So the total at one point reached 11 through your math. Why didn't these guys report an 11 number now? Give enough counts (and there have been plenty), eventually one will do that.
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I did not say that there were no myths that people acted upon. I said that not every myth gets acted upon.
well errr duh we know THAT, but we are not talking about every myth. Take the Nazis, do you not know they were following a myth?.........Look what happened! hint hint.
Still not an appropriate analogy, still not positive evidence that this myth was acted upon.
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What do you know of Freemasonry and their myth?
That has no bearing on the matter at hand unless you can show that these guys have bought into Freemason myths. Or, more to the point, if you can actually identify these people rather than simply postulating their existence.
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What do you know about Skull and Bones and their myth? yet the elites belong to these clubs...dont they?
Skull and Bones is the Yale equivalent of a frat. People want to join because they throw parties. Only the coolest people get in, and the coolest people are going to of course be the sons of the rich and powerful...why is that mysterious? What evidence do you have that there's a relation between 9/11 and these guys?
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Check back in a couple of hours for when I reveal the signs that this whole thing is actually the handiwork of the Loyal Order of Moose based upon math (2996 = MOOS) and the resemblance of the wreckage of the Twin Towers to antlers.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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So things were incredibly chaotic, and that supports your position that there were people running the whole show?
No I didn't mean that. The honest truth is I dont KNOW. But Iam VERY suspicious that the BBC--known by the savvy as Propaganda Central--the same who have archves of very important events, etc would all of a sudden pretend to be in this caffuffle because of 9/11. They have covered WW2, Vietnam, etc, but claim to be all-ver-the place-chaotic for 9/11 even screwing up the fall of the WTC7 which they manage to call CALL The Saloman Building, and then 'losing' the tapes, and being SO fluxed feeling the need to address 'conspiricay theorists' and their loyal viewers that it was all just a 'error' and a 'cock-up'. I am afraid what with everything I am finding out, revealing, and vast other clues of a more 'mudane' nature which contradict the official conspiracy theory, I do not TRUST the BBC that much.
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Current death counts from Wikipedia:
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The attacks resulted in the death of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers and 2,977 victims.[32] The victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in New York City in the towers and on the ground, and 125 at the Pentagon.[33][34] Nearly all of the victims were civilians; 55 military personnel were among those killed at the Pentagon
2+9+9+6 = 26 = 8
1+9 = 10 = 1
2+9+7+7 = 25 = 7
2+4+6 = 12 = 3
2+6+0+6 = 14 = 5
1+2+5 = 8
5+5 = 10 = 1
So the total at one point reached 11 through your math. Why didn't these guys report an 11 number now? Give enough counts (and there have been plenty), eventually one will do that.
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I did not say that there were no myths that people acted upon. I said that not every myth gets acted upon.
well errr duh we know THAT, but we are not talking about every myth. Take the Nazis, do you not know they were following a myth?.........Look what happened! hint hint.
lol you go running to wikipedia. Dont trust my info hey? I already showed you info where it verifies the REPORTED count I gave you that was also REORTED read out at their occult ceremony.
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On September 7, 2002, NYC Medical Examiners announced the revised official
death toll from the World Trade Center attacks was 2,801 - (2+8+0+1 = 11). [source]
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Relatives of people who died walk down to the "Circle of Honor", Sept. 11, 2002. One by one, the 2,801 names on the city list of the dead were read during the morning ceremony. (Robin Weiner/Medialink)
Now this ceremony was the one with the 'All Seeing Eye of Horus' created by the positions of the people doing the ritual. So, it doesn't matterwhat further numbers come, that one is the one that added up to 11 and they used it for their occult ritual 'hidden in plain sight', because people such as yourself and others are dismissive of this subject and willfully refuse to take it seriously and so are blind to it..(also be aware of the Zionist propaganda audio as the ceremony ritual is being done!)
Look it seems to go like this. The planes that crashed into the towers----there is evidence that these were not passenger planes as reported by the media which would suggest that they weren't then those numbered planes, Flight 11, 77, 175, and 93. So apparently it is the numbers reported, expressed, for their RITUAL that is important--not the literal.
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What do you know of Freemasonry and their myth?
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That has no bearing on the matter at hand unless you can show that these guys have bought into Freemason myths. Or, more to the point, if you can actually identify these people rather than simply postulating their existence.
Of course it has bearing. Either you know or you dont or dont wish to, and thus you can only be ever blind in this investigation. You have to begin to understand the symbolism etc they are using etc.
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What do you know about Skull and Bones and their myth? yet the elites belong to these clubs...dont they?
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Skull and Bones is the Yale equivalent of a frat. People want to join because they throw parties. Only the coolest people get in, and the coolest people are going to of course be the sons of the rich and powerful...why is that mysterious? What evidence do you have that there's a relation between 9/11 and these guys?
But how do you KNOW? why cannot you be honest and admit you dont know. Instead of that you throw in stuff like uhhhhey duuude its just a frat. That again is not proper investigation, it is just defensive assuming.
Onbiously I AM presenting evidence of a relation between all that and these guys, that is what this thread is about, it's just you will not take this subject seriously, and choose not to see, and throw in useless asscumptions, and forget stuff which was not understood to begin with, and miss stuff, and---all the time.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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lol you go running to wikipedia. Dont trust my info hey? I already showed you info where it verifies the REPORTED count I gave you that was also REORTED read out at their occult ceremony.
Like I said, the count has changed multiple times. If they're really trying to show off 11's here, why didn't they incorporate that into at least one of the current death toll numbers?
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Now this ceremony was the one with the 'All Seeing Eye of Horus' created by the positions of the people doing the ritual. So, it doesn't matterwhat further numbers come, that one is the one that added up to 11 and they used it for their occult ritual 'hidden in plain sight', because people such as yourself and others are dismissive of this subject and willfully refuse to take it seriously and so are blind to it..(also be aware of the Zionist propaganda audio as the ceremony ritual is being done!)
Reasons this is not the "All-Seeing Eye of Horus":
- It's not. It's an irregular oval surrounding a circle. I can see how you might see an eye there, but it's a weird-looking eye.
- The Eye of Horus has all kinds of mascara-ey things coming off from it that are just not there in the ceremony:
 
Reasons it's not even the Eye of Providence, which is the Freemason version of the Eye of Horus:
- It's still not an eye.
- The Eye of Providence has rays of light coming out of it, and usually it's surrounded by a triangle, neither of which are in the ceremony at all:
  
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But how do you KNOW? why cannot you be honest and admit you dont know. Instead of that you throw in stuff like uhhhhey duuude its just a frat. That again is not proper investigation, it is just defensive assuming.
Or maybe I know people who go to Yale and have gone to Skull & Bones parties before, since I do. Crap. I'm probably part of the conspiracy now.
It seems to me that it's not a matter of understanding or wishing to know about these connections, it's a matter of willfully choosing to keep looking until you can find things like that ceremony up there that you can pretend aaaaallllmmmost look like the symbols you're looking for. Any reason I'm wrong about that?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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....err yeah, you just dont get it. So I am moving on. I dont mean quitting. I mean I cannot waste any more effort trying to help you understand. you dont/wont---so, that is your business not mine.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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PART 1~~~So I will mow present an overview of what has been said previously, and what I have since found out while investigating this subject sine starting the thread:
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Occultic Symbolism http://lewisdt.com/symbols/
“The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden". Thus by definition occult symbolism is that which we see in everyday life, but are unaware of its meaning. Occultism is the study of occult or hidden wisdom. Christian Theism holds that God has reveled himself in three distinct ways, through his creation, through his written word (the Bible, and through his Son Jesus Christ. From the traditional Christian Theistic worldview the occult involves anything supernatural or paranormal which is not achieved by or through God, and is therefore the work of an opposing and malevolent entity, Satan. Because of the malevolent nature of the occult it is important for all of us, especially Christians, to be aware of the meaning of Occultic symbolism.”
So that definition is interesting because it very reveals the fundamental Christian perspective. They will label ANY spiritual and magical experience other than their religious belief and worldview as being evil and satanic. So for many people interested to research this subject about if an occultist elite are a hidden hand behind 9/11 etc, if they are not Christian, it can get confusing and a put-off because they may feel themselves being dragged into that dogma. So I am encouraging to then both see through the occultist elite's worldview, the New Age worldview, AND the Christian worldview. They are like Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, meaning that both of them stem from a patriarchal root. It is like some phony trip going on is what I mean, of 'good cop' 'bad cop' but BOTH desire world destruction to get their ultimate dream!! So it is a very dangerous 'game' going on!
I was really encouraged to take mythology seriously after reading the book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, by John Marco Allegro--years and years ago. But when 9/11 happened and I started finding out about the occultism surrounding it, and other world events etc it dawned on me that their 9/11 was like a boot in the face (and for those personally involved absolute horror), and therefore DEMANDS that I investigate this subject with the utmost respect, and this should be the same for those interested reading this.
If they can do a 9/11 which arrived on a glorious blue-sky morning 'unannounced' (and other evil shit I have found out), then ignoring this will not make it go away, and so we need to become very aware of their HIDDEN meanings and doings, because they depend on us NOT being aware. That is where they mostly get their power from.
Do you think if young males, and women, woke up to their war racket that they would be able to feed their war machine?! No? So let's wake the fuck up then!
Their hoped for 'New Pearl Harbour' happened on 9/11. A date you can add and still get 11, IE., 9+1+1 = 11
9/11 happened on TUESDAY:
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Tuesday
O.E. Tiwesdæg, from Tiwes, gen. of Tiw "Tiu," from P.Gmc. *Tiwaz "god of the sky," differentiated specifically as Tiu, ancient Germanic god of war, from PIE base *dyeu- "to shine" (see diurnal). Cf. O.N. tysdagr, Swed. tisdag, O.H.G. ziestag. The day name (second element dæg, see day) is a translation of L. dies Martis (cf. It. martedi, Fr. Mardi) "Day of Mars," from the Roman god of war, who was identified with Germanic Tiw (though etymologically Tiw is related to Zeus), itself a loan-translation of Gk. Areos hemera. In cognate Ger. Dienstag and Du. Dinsdag, the first element would appear to be Gmc. ding, þing "public assembly," but it is now thought to be from Thinxus, one of the names of the war-god in Latin inscriptions.
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union
The president presiding over this fateful day of 9/11 was known as George W. Bush which contains 11 letters
The present president of 'post 9/11' America Barack Obama is 11 letters
W Bush made sure to have a photo shoot broadcast to the world with a chosen fireman who had a number on his helmet which added up to 11. Here is part of the retired Fireman's tale of how he came to pose to the world with george W.Bush:
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Dressed in some old FD NY gear, he managed to bluff his way past the blockades and barricades into the wreckage area, and started first on a bucket brigade, and then searched, alongside other firefighters, for missing persons.
Hours after he and some men had unearthed a fire engine, they tested its stability, and a Secret Service agent ordered him to help the next man who came through up onto the platform. "You do what you're told when the Secret Service talks," he says.
[ Photos: George W. Bush visits Ground Zero ]
That's how he found himself offering his arm to President Bush, who joined him on the truck and who insisted that Beckwith stay put rather than climb down as he had been told to do by the Secret Service agent.
The Time magazine cover with that image now hangs, enlarged and framed, in his den. "All these guys that come over to interview me, they all have to have a picture of it," he says.
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After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. (this figure of three 1s will reveal more associations also when we investigate the 'Freemasonic' symbolism of the three pillars--which is on their Freemasonic Tracing Board).
World Trade Center Towers is 22 letters - 2 x 11 =22.
The Twin Towers themselves resembled a mega number 11 structure. They also formed a masonic, 'pillared gateway' (which will be explained about later).
Both Towers had 110 floors. In occultist Gematria zeros are not usually included, and so getting rid of them we have two 11s - 11 11
on the one dollar bill there are two 11s, have you who use the dollar noticed? 
The Statue of Liberty is 111 feet 1 inch tall (from head to foot) source source That is 11 11 "There are 354 steps from the lady's right foot to her crown. This represents 22 stories" 2 x 11
"The 7 rays of the crown are symbolic for the 7 seas of the world and the seven continents.
The number of windows in the crown are 25 2 + 5 = 7. So we also have reference to 77."
7 X 11 [ibid]
AND 'she' stands on an 11-pointed base
Each of the Twin Towers had “47 massive steel box columns" [source]
4 + 7 = 11
Each World Trade Center tower had 21,800 windows
2 + 1 + 8 = 11
The third building #7 to fall had 47 stories = 4 + 7 = 11
The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 a.m 1 + 2 + 8 = 11 Here is their occult ritual:
Flight AA11 was first plane to hit the North Tower, (AA in gematria is two 1s together, so that would mean two 11s side by side, 1111. The occultists belive that 11 is a master numbers, and multiples of it have definate functions for their magickal rituals.)
The target of Flight AA11 was in New York City -11 letters.
Flight 11 was a Boeng 767-223. Let us count that number: 7 + 6 + 7 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 27, 2+7 = 9
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The capacity of the aircraft was 158 passengers, but the September 11 flight carried 81 passengers and 11 crew members. IE., 8 + 1 = 9 and 11. 9/11
In all, 92 people on board were killed,[4] [on Flight 11] 9 + 2 = 11
Flight 175 slams into the South Tower at the reported time of 9:02 [source] 9 + 2 = 11
Four of the hijackers on flight AA11 have the initials A. A. for their names: AA=11.
Flight 93 ‘crashed’ into a field in 'Shakesville' which has 11 letters
3/11/2004 The Madrid train bombing where 191 people died (1+9+1 = 11). The Madrid train bombing happened 911 days after 9/11
Japan, a nuclear disaster happened on 3/11/2011
Fires continued to burn in lower Manhattan for 99 days after the attack. 9 X 11
Post 9/11 artists were commissioned for a Tribute of Light display:
an art installation of 88 searchlights placed next to the site of the World Trade Center to create two vertical columns of light in remembrance of the September 11 attacks. 88 = 8 x 11. The lights formed a ground-zero to sky number 11 shape:
Thirty days after the attack, the FBI releases a Most Wanted Terrorist List with 22 names. 2 x 11
The reported base of the terrorists is Afghanistan - 11 Letters.
The Prime Minister of Israel - Ariel Sharon - 11 Letters who served as Israel’s 11th Prime Minister from 2001 - 2006
The Pentagon - has 11 letters
The Pentagon has 11 letters, and the ground broken for building it started 9/11/1941 (60 years to the day) The Pentagon is 77 foot high. Is on the 77th meridian, and shape of building traces the Satanic pentagram,
7 x 11 = 77
The day America attacked Afghanistan was 10-7-2001 1+0+7+2+0+0+1 = 11
The occult elite's puppet organization al Qaeda. Al Qaeda was founded on 8/11/1988.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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....err yeah, you just dont get it. So I am moving on. I dont mean quitting. I mean I cannot waste any more effort trying to help you understand. you dont/wont---so, that is your business not mine.
Don't you get it? You are trying to convince a sane person that your crazy theories aren't crazy.
Why did you even bother in the first place?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: WakeboardrB]
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....err yeah, you just dont get it. So I am moving on. I dont mean quitting. I mean I cannot waste any more effort trying to help you understand. you dont/wont---so, that is your business not mine.
Don't you get it? You are trying to convince a sane person that your crazy theories aren't crazy.
Why did you even bother in the first place?
Now, watch YOU get away with that implication I am insane when I was recently banned for a week for less. Funny old world innit? Dont bother to reply, I am not going to engage with your trollmanship. I am just MAKIN A POINT!
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I didn't insult you. I insulted your ideas.
Nothing I did was against the rules. I've learned how to poke you guys without being banned. Took a lot of trial and error, but I figured it out.
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Shroomery has 8 letters.
8 + 3 = 11
Alan Rockefeller has 16 letters.
16 - 5 = 11
WakeboardrB has 11 letters. Therefore, he probably planned 9/11 with the help of Alan Rockefeller and the shroomery.
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PART 2UNDRESTAND that I am exploring this strange subject as I continue. I am not coming from a position of 'I know the occult'. It is more I am investigating it, in relation with what happened on 9/11, and other events, etc., and finding things out, and finding sources, and verification of sources, etc. Some people find it impossible to believe that people in power will use codes, and these debunkers will even IMPLY that the people who investigate codes must be insane, but all you have to do is Google History of Codes, and study the links such as: History of Secret CodesCode (cryptography)The 10 most badass secret codes in history (and how to crack them ... ETC. Then why not add on "the occult" onto your search title, and find: The British Occult Secret Service Quote:
Since the time of Elizabeth I, British secret services have worked according to the principle of ‘the end justifies the means’. Money, bribery, blackmail – these are their recruitment methods...
– Nikolai Patrushev, head of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), October 2007
It is not really surprising that historically occultism and espionage have often been strange bedfellows. The black art of espionage is about obtaining secret information and witches, psychics and astrologers have always claimed to be able to predict the future and know about things hidden from ordinary people.
Gathering intelligence is carried out under a cloak of secrecy and occultists are adept at keeping their activities concealed from sight. Like secret agents they also use codes, symbols and cryptograms to hide information from outsiders. Occultists and intelligence officers are similar in many ways, as both inhabit a shadowy underworld of secrets, deception and disinformation. It is therefore not unusual that often these two professions have shared the same members.
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"In symbolism, numbers are not merely the expressions of quantities; but idea-forces, each with a particular character of its own." (J. E. Cirlot, "A Dictionary of Symbols", p. 220) "The very numbers you use in counting are more than you take them to be. They are at the same time mythological elements, but you are certainly unaware of this when you use numbers for a practical purpose." (Carl Jung, "Man and His Symbols", p. 40)The ancients also believed that numbers had formative powers. Pythagoras is reputed to have declared that "Numbers rule the universe." Plato said, "God ever geometrizes." The modern mathematician Jacoi expressed his own belief that "God ever arithmetizes."
I am not saying I necessarily believe this but offering these quotes to let you know others have and do.
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11 seems to have been the type
of a number with an evil reputation
among all peoples. The
Kabalists contrasted it with the
perfection of the Decad, and
just as the Sephirotic number is
the form of all good things, so
eleven is the essence of all that
is sinful, harmful and imperfect.
With the Ten Sephiroth
they contrasted the Eleven Averse Sephiroth, symbols
of destruction, violence, defeat and death. On the oldest
Tarot cards, the trump called the Tower struck by
Lightning, number XVI, shows the Ten Divine Sephiroth
on one side and the Eleven Averse Sephiroth on
the other side; modern Tarot designs are very much debased
...It is called the “Number of Sins” and the “ Penitent,”
because it exceeds the number of Commandments and
is less than twelve, which is the number of Grace and
Perfection. source
[emphasis mine]
Here you can see Kether/Crown at the top of the Kabbalist Tree of Life.
And here you can see what Westcott is referring to, how from one side the 'lightening' (number 11?] strikes and attacks Kether (translated as "Crown" in English) and knocks it off its place of power.
"Firstly", 11 is the number of Magick in itself. It is therefore suitable to all types of operation. "Secondly", it is the sacred number par excellence of the new Aeon. As it is written in the Book of the Law: ...11, as all their numbers who are of us. (Crowley, Aleister Magick: in Theory and Practice. Secaucus, NJ: Castle, 1991. 64.) .
So then, let us continue investigating their occult cryptic codes, further understanding that these codes are not just specific but also includes their occultist belief system itself:
Flights 11,175,93,77 – If these numbers are broken down, 11 actually remains the same in numerology, 93 becomes 12, 175 becomes 13 and 77 becomes 14.
11 – 12 13 – 14
broken down again and you have 2 – 3 – 4 – 5
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It is interesting that the North Tower was hit first. In Masonic doctrine, North, is designated as the area where darkness, superstition, and ignorance dwells, Albert Pike describes this belief: “To all Masons, the North has immemorially been the place of darkness; of the great lights of the Lodge, none is in the North.” [Morals and Dogma, p 592]
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…The attacks on 9/11 in my opinion were planned to bring Order from Chaos, the Rede of Freemasonry. ..You must understand the practices of the occult & beliefs to truly have knowledge of their Religion & “M.O.” [url=]9/11 Attacks Evidence of Occult Planning[/url]
It is interesting to note that when I used a Latin to English tramslator and keyed in 'Ordo Ab Chao' I got the translation "ORDER COUNTING FROM CHAO"
it is one thing to have the belief that all life came from Chaos or Mystery, and another to psuposively create chaos, or your version of it which could be wars, massacres, 9/11s etc and think you are creating order for your own power motives.
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The 1972 Olympics provided the very first stage for claimed global terrorism. At these Olympics there were 11 Israelis killed, and they were killed by a group called Black September (9) . These Olympics were host to 121 countries which is 11x11
This terrible event was most likely involving Mossad, as was 9/11, etc
The next video, although not a whisper about the occult stuff goes into why this will be so (but of course it goes deeper than Mossad):
BBC Correspondent says MOSSAD did 9/11
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On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid. source
[emphasis mine] NOTICE that number?
Soon after signing it he was assassinated.
Look at this diagram of where President Kennedy was shot. What does the shape look like? A pyramid with the capstone missing? Is this not a ritualistic sacrifice going on here?
Now see this video, especially from its 3:20 play-time. Notice how that in the 1990s towering behind a building overlooking the place JFK was assassinated is a pyramid shape (I didn't know this till just finding out myself)
Do you think someones are trying to tell somepeople --who understand--something? Know that Quote:
When President Kennedy was assassinated, he was killed according to the occult number signature of 11. He was killed in the 11th month, on the 22nd day (2 x 11), and on the 33rd parallel (3 x 11).
ILLUMINATI EYE WATCHES JFK MURDER SITE
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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And the lulz, I mean plot thickens.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: WakeboardrB]
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And the lulz, I mean plot thickens.
did you think 9/11 was "lulz"? By the way, what does it mean?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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Nope. I don't think it was at all. What the fuck kind of twisted ass question is that? Just because I don't buy into your crazy wild conspiracies doesn't mean that I think 9/11 or any other terrorist attack was funny. Jesus.
Just commenting on the constant source of entertainment you are giving me with your paranoid conclusions.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: WakeboardrB]
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Oh dear look how offended YOU are by a question, yet you totally disrespect my genuine interest here, and research, and keep fukin trolling my thread!
If you have anything sensible to add to this subject do it, or please don't.
One more reply that is not contributing to this subject in an intelligent manner,I will do the ignore button on you. Obviously it is one rule for the so-called debunkers and another rule for those of us who want to explore what this forum is supposed to be about!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Your facts are somewhat mistaken. EO 11110 didn't strip anyone of authority, and it WAS revoked by EO 12608.
All of this is, of course, public record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12608
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
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Your facts are somewhat mistaken. EO 11110 didn't strip anyone of authority, and it WAS revoked by EO 12608.
All of this is, of course, public record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12608
That wasn't really my point. I haven't had time to look into the different views about what the actual order was about, it is the NUMBER I am most pointing to---the 1111, and the symbolism, numerology, and circumstances surrounding his murder.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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10:45 in no way implies 9/11
10:45 is 10:45, you're really stretching things to come up with 9/11 from it
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and CNN didnt say that WTC7 collapsed at
10:45,
you can see and read all ABOUT it here http://letsrollforums.com/wtc-7-ccn-reports-t25283.html to VERIFY what I said.
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"CNN Reported at 11:07 am that Building 7 had collapsed at 10:45, or 15 minutes after the second tower collapse at around 10:30. CNN got their misinformation from the respected news agency Reuters, which picked up an incorrect report. [a "cock up"...?] They have issued this statement: “On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen.” [[url=http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/ ]source[/url]]
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the 50 story Marriott which was actually only 22 (cue ominous music for
22); also known as WTC3; collapsed under the debris from the towers, no
where is it said that WTC7 or the Solomon Building collapsed so it appears
you still love to cite faulty and erroneous sources without checking the
facts, the height of the building was in error because these reporters are
going off what they hear from other sources
Yeah, like your sources are wheres its at LOL
my source was the CNN Broadcast, the same source used by your source where
it;s claimed that it was 11:07am, and they simply used a n=sippet of the
broadcast and yet again it certainly doesnt say that it was building 7 that
collapsed, the one that we know to have collapsed at that time was building 3
at what time frame in the video on the nutter forum you're citing does the
reporter explicitly state that it was building 7
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ANYone with any expertize, and common sense, and EYES can see it is a controlled demo
really because I have common sense and expertise in the field of
demolition and quite frankly I studied the fuck out of this because I
believed it to have been a demolition until I started looking at all the
evidence presented, I look at the new evidence and I've still not found
anything that says it was a controlled demolition
do you have some real evidence that the world has yet to see?
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well in the article i quoted from the BBC they were asking the public to help me out couse they thought they had and lost em. WOW so organized. we can really trust them, right? What the fuck did they do in the WARS poor things--runnin round like headless chickens about collapsin sykscrapers?
what the fuck are you even talking about, the tapes were misfiled, they
were found, they were again released for public viewing, in the mean time
the original recording have been in archives around the internet, had they
not the original interviews all this shit is being pulled from would have
never surfaced
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Notice a big dodge about the ' "11" victim count'---just a coincidence ey?
you're fixated on 11, maybe it's the phallic shapes, 2,801 does not equal
11 unless you use the mystical no hard rules math you love so much
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Oh dear look how offended YOU are by a question, yet you totally disrespect my genuine interest here, and research, and keep fukin trolling my thread!
If you have anything sensible to add to this subject do it, or please don't.
One more reply that is not contributing to this subject in an intelligent manner,I will do the ignore button on you. Obviously it is one rule for the so-called debunkers and another rule for those of us who want to explore what this forum is supposed to be about!
Hey, you keep posting insane shit like this on a public forum, you open yourself up to ridicule, of which I am happy to provide.
Just the way it goes.
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....err yeah, you just dont get it. So I am moving on. I dont mean quitting. I mean I cannot waste any more effort trying to help you understand. you dont/wont---so, that is your business not mine.
Don't you get it? You are trying to convince a sane person that your crazy theories aren't crazy.
Why did you even bother in the first place?
Now, watch YOU get away with that implication I am insane when I was recently banned for a week for less. Funny old world innit? Dont bother to reply, I am not going to engage with your trollmanship. I am just MAKIN A POINT!
he didnt say you were crazy, he said the ideas were crazy, the whole
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Oh dear look how offended YOU are by a question, yet you totally disrespect my genuine interest here, and research, and keep fukin trolling my thread!
If you have anything sensible to add to this subject do it, or please don't.
One more reply that is not contributing to this subject in an intelligent manner,I will do the ignore button on you. Obviously it is one rule for the so-called debunkers and another rule for those of us who want to explore what this forum is supposed to be about!
Hey, you keep posting insane shit like this on a public forum, you open yourself up to ridicule, of which I am happy to provide.
Just the way it goes.
I did warn you. More than what I got
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Your facts are somewhat mistaken. EO 11110 didn't strip anyone of authority, and it WAS revoked by EO 12608.
All of this is, of course, public record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12608
That wasn't really my point. I haven't had time to look into the different views about what the actual order was about, it is the NUMBER I am most pointing to---the 1111, and the symbolism, numerology, and circumstances surrounding his murder.
That's exactly my point...You're looking for the number 11, and you found it...so it must be significant...
9% of all numbers are multiples of 11. You can walk around all day and find multiples of 11...You can look at any event and find multiples of 11....and if you're willing to do crazy digit manipulations and such, you'll find it even more. This is exactly what you do. You look for 11. If you don't find it, you look for numbers whose digits add to 11. If you don't find that, you look for ways to convert numbers to 11...
With all of those options, you're likely to find 11 everywhere..
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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So you are a demolitions expert? Now how would you prove that? I am not impressed!
I know THIS guy was, and I trust him, especially with all else I am aware of. He is absolutely sure WTC7 was a demolition job and couldn't believe it came down 7 hours (as it is claimed in the video) after the Towers had been demolished by controlled demolition/
R.I.P. Danny Jowenko - WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 1 of 3
In the video at Letsroll forums you hear the journalist describe a '50' stories collapse. WTC is closer to 50 at 47 stories than your WTC2 at 22 stories, and he describes the massive avalanche of smoke which was particularly shown after the "PULLING" (as Silverstein even said in plain speech) of WTC7. So obviously...?
But I do not want this a 'was WTC 7 a controlled demolition. Yes it was/no it wasn't etc' thread which will derail it from the broader OCCULT angle of 9/11 and other related events etc. So prisoner, if you choose to reject the reality of the CD of the "Salomon" Building (which is occultist reference to Solomon's Temple, by the way)then that is you not me.
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you're fixated on 11, maybe it's the phallic shapes, 2,801 does not equal
11 unless you use the mystical no hard rules math you love so much
I am not "fixated" on anything. I am revealing patterns/codes/ the occult/hidden, and their fixation is on number 11. That you cannot see it again is your problem. I am presenting the evidence and it is VERY clear.
2,801?---simple, as said a 1000 times by now, you add the digits and leave out the zeros so after me. It's not hard:
2 + 8 + 1 = 11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
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Your facts are somewhat mistaken. EO 11110 didn't strip anyone of authority, and it WAS revoked by EO 12608.
All of this is, of course, public record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12608
That wasn't really my point. I haven't had time to look into the different views about what the actual order was about, it is the NUMBER I am most pointing to---the 1111, and the symbolism, numerology, and circumstances surrounding his murder.
That's exactly my point...You're looking for the number 11, and you found it...so it must be significant...
9% of all numbers are multiples of 11. You can walk around all day and find multiples of 11...You can look at any event and find multiples of 11....and if you're willing to do crazy digit manipulations and such, you'll find it even more. This is exactly what you do. You look for 11. If you don't find it, you look for numbers whose digits add to 11. If you don't find that, you look for ways to convert numbers to 11...
With all of those options, you're likely to find 11 everywhere..
"Everywhere huh?" Can you find it in todays date? Let's see, today is 25th Febuary 2012
So to break this down with gematria it would go 2+5+2+2+1+2= 14 (1+4)=5
No, cant find 11 here to day. Sure nuff can on 9/11 though---that DAY that was excuse for the Cold War...? No. For the 'War on Terror'. Yes!
I also can find it in the fascist bill NDAA--which can calculate at either 9/11 or 11. And was signed by Obama on a date, 31st December 2011 which can also calculate the same, thus: 3+1+1+2+2+1+1 = 11 OR leaving their master number standing, 9/11
When people look for code, if they thought -"ohhh sheesh, duuude, you can see that everywhere" they'd never BOTHER looking.
The difference between me and the mostly so-called debunkers frequenting this thread is that are willing to not look, and just call it all a nut job, and crazy, and etc, when I am not. I respect this investigation enough NOT to have that attitude, because I personally want to KNOW who the REAL enemy is, and what they hiding, and how they go about what they do.
9/11 was utterly horrific, and I owe it to those who lost their lives in such a merciless way, and those whose deaths lingered from the poisonous fumes they were PROMISED weren't poisonous, and to the loved ones who lost, and to the countless victims of the invasions where 9/11 was used as the excuse for such evil, and the attack on peoples freedoms, and all these fiends have done and plan to do.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Your facts are somewhat mistaken. EO 11110 didn't strip anyone of authority, and it WAS revoked by EO 12608.
All of this is, of course, public record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12608
That wasn't really my point. I haven't had time to look into the different views about what the actual order was about, it is the NUMBER I am most pointing to---the 1111, and the symbolism, numerology, and circumstances surrounding his murder.
That's exactly my point...You're looking for the number 11, and you found it...so it must be significant...
9% of all numbers are multiples of 11. You can walk around all day and find multiples of 11...You can look at any event and find multiples of 11....and if you're willing to do crazy digit manipulations and such, you'll find it even more. This is exactly what you do. You look for 11. If you don't find it, you look for numbers whose digits add to 11. If you don't find that, you look for ways to convert numbers to 11...
With all of those options, you're likely to find 11 everywhere..
"Everywhere huh?" Can you find it in todays date? Let's see, today is 25th Febuary 2012
So to break this down with gematria it would go 2+5+2+2+1+2= 14 (1+4)=5
No, cant find 11 here to day. Sure nuff can on 9/11 though---that DAY that was excuse for the Cold War...? No. For the 'War on Terror'. Yes!
I also can find it in the fascist bill NDAA--which can calculate at either 9/11 or 11. And was signed by Obama on a date, 31st December 2011 which can also calculate the same, thus: 3+1+1+2+2+1+1 = 11 OR leaving their master number standing, 9/11
When people look for code, if they thought -"ohhh sheesh, duuude, you can see that everywhere" they'd never BOTHER looking.
The difference between me and the mostly so-called debunkers frequenting this thread is that are willing to not look, and just call it all a nut job, and crazy, and etc, when I am not. I respect this investigation enough NOT to have that attitude, because I personally want to KNOW who the REAL enemy is, and what they hiding, and how they go about what they do.
9/11 was utterly horrific, and I owe it to those who lost their lives in such a merciless way, and those whose deaths lingered from the poisonous fumes they were PROMISED weren't poisonous, and to the loved ones who lost, and to the countless victims of the invasions where 9/11 was used as the excuse for such evil, and the attack on peoples freedoms, and all these fiends have done and plan to do.
Sure...today is the 25th of february..that's the 56th day of the year...meaning 55 days have passed. 55=11*5 Take that factor of 5 and add it to the digits in 2012...that's 5+2+0+1+2=10. Take that 10 and add it to the original 56 and you get 66! 11*6!...take THAT factor of 6 and add it to the digits in 2012 and you get....11!
OMG! Today, something is going to happen!!!!! The illuminati are watching.
Anyone can make up rules to find what they're looking for, dude.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
#15861549 - 02/25/12 10:58 AM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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Sure...today is the 25th of february..that's the 56th day of the year...meaning 55 days have passed. 55=11*5
whats "55=11*5" mean?
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Take that factor of 5 and add it to the digits in 2012...that's 5+2+0+1+2=10. Take that 10 and add it to the original 56 and you get 66! 11*6!...take THAT factor of 6 and add it to the digits in 2012 and you get....11!
Errrm I am afraid I am not good at math, and I think the occult do it in far more simpler form though obviously 'hidden' because great mathematicians like yourself cannot or wont see what they do lol--well some if it can get quite complex, but I have been trying to keep it simple focussing for now on 11, but there are other numbers like the actual numbers of the flights also being connected with Aleister Crowley's magick (I have briefly mentioned this in first pages of this thread).
SO--you think nothing of it that a MASSIVE structure that resembles a number 11 is hit by Flight number AA11, which is 1111 on 9/11[/b] which is 254th = 11 with 111 days to end of year of year etcetc all the 11s--even the number of windows gematriacally counted in each tower, being 11---the whole caboodle, and I aint even started yet (etc etc etc). You take all this in your stride? I find that very odd.
I am guessing you aren't aware of ANY occultism, and their doings?
have you read anything I have said, shown, linked to?---The recent link that says how the SECRET services and the OCCULT/Hidden (hint hint? have always been bedfellows? What do you think THAT means then? Seriously, what do you think it means?
I take it that, disregarding the occult clues for a moment, you support the offical conspiracy theory? I can actually see you do in my crystal ball. Is it right or wrong?
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OMG! Today, something is going to happen!!!!! The illuminati are watching.
Anyone can make up rules to find what they're looking for, dude.
So should all investigators, detectives, throw in the towel then, according to your philosophy?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15861605 - 02/25/12 11:17 AM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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So should all investigators, detectives, throw in the towel then, according to your philosophy?
Humans have a strong tendency to look for order...to look for patterns. That's what makes us different than other species. Sometimes, a person will get obsessed with putting everything together in such a way that it makes sense. Life, however, is not part of a grand pattern. It is not part of a master plan.
Two buildings were hit (btw...any two skyscrapers beside each other look like 11). They came down exactly how they should have come down. No controlled demolition was necessary. People use the speed at which they fell as evidence, but they fell at that speed...it wouldn't be any faster or slower regardless of why they fell. People say that it wouldn't have fallen straight down, but anyone who knows anything about physics and engineering knows that there is no other way it can fall. The tower can't topple over sideways...it's too heavy to maintain structure. It would collapse just like it did.
Building 7 was hit very hard and had a gaping hole in the side of it...along with a lot of fires...it fell too...just like it would have...
The pentagon clearly was hit by a plane, since there were plane engine parts in photos outside of the pentagon...
In the aftermath, looking at hundreds of facts, it's easy to spot patterns and think that they add up to some grander conspiracy...but that just isn't borne out by the facts...
Finally, if you truly believe that the number of deaths on 9/11 were planned to add to 11...then you absolutely have to accept that the people behind it do actually have magical powers. It would be beyond any human being's influence to make sure that exactly 2801 people died in three different buildings and four different planes...
I have personally looked into this theory time and again...at first believing like you do...the more I looked...the more I found that everything points to the fact that two buildings were taken down by planes crashing into them...
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15862000 - 02/25/12 01:04 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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So you are a demolitions expert? Now how would you prove that? I am not impressed!
I know THIS guy was, and I trust him, especially with all else I am aware of. He is absolutely sure WTC7 was a demolition job and couldn't believe it came down 7 hours (as it is claimed in the video) after the Towers had been demolished by controlled demolition/
that's lovely how it's only a segment of the interview in order to try and
prove the point while throughout the interview Jowenko says it's guesswork
and explains that based on the information that it was impossible. Jowenko
know nothing at the time of the interview, he was being led through it and
directed at what he should look at. you can see his disbelief throughout
while the interviewer is asking him to make snap judgments based on exactly
the same footage that every conspiracy theorist is presenting and nothing
more. this is the same reason I initially saw this as a demolition and not
a collapse due to fire
if you read through the transcript you'll see this, then we also need to
ask ourselves, where's the teams of 20-30 men with cutting torches that are
weakening the building's structure, they certainly cant take acetylene into
a structure that's already on fire, acetylene is so unstable that pressures
above 15psi could cause it to explode, temperatures inside a burning
building will do the same
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DANNY JOWENKO: I see smoke however. Yeah, you always get dust, nothing has been removed from it? Does the top go first? No, the bottom.
INTERVIEWER: It starts on the bottom.
DANNY JOWENKO: They simply blew up columns and the rest caved in afterwards.
INTERVIEWER: Did this fall in a different way than the WTC?
DANNY JOWENKO: Don't you agree?
INTERVIEWER: Yes, you see the bottom floors go first.
DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, the rest implodes. This is controlled demolition.
INTERVIEWER: Your sure?
DANNY JOWENKO: Absolutely, it's been imploded. This was a hired job. A team of experts did this.
INTERVIEWER: But it also happened on September 11th.
DANNY JOWENKO: The same day???
NTERVIEWER: The same day.
DANNY JOWENKO: The same day??? ..... Are you sure it was the 11th?????
DANNY JOWENKO: that cant be
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DANNY JOWENKO: No, this is also a hired...sir [Silverstein] said it himself, you hear him saying [Danny casually tosses arm] "pull it down", away with it.
INTERVIEWER: Look, here for example you see plums of smoke; the special thing is it rises upwards.
[long pause, Danny slowly turns head and looks at interviewer with a hint of amusement in his expression]
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DANNY JOWENKO: What do you want to say with that, smoke always rises upwards. [finishes with a smile]
INTERVIEWER: No in the WTC Twin Towers you saw plums of smoke at the sides of the building.
DANNY JOWENKO: Those are pressed out.
INTERVIEWER: You saw it from top to down; here you see the reverse thing. It starts at the bottom and goes up.
DANNY JOWENKO: These [re: WTC7] are the explosive charges, they damage the structures and at the WTC Twin Towers the mass says: I can't hold you, I can't hold you and it pulverizes the cement from it.
INTERVIEWER: What we see here are explosive charges?
DANNY JOWENKO: No probably they were not that high, maybe...is this seven?
INTERVIEWER: Yes.
DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, could be.
INTERVIEWER: [not translated]
DANNY JOWENKO: But then it's more work than a few hours with 30 men.
INTERVIEWER: You don't know whether they are explosive charges, it could be the same effect as in the WTC Twin Towers.
DANNY JOWENKO: If all supporting columns are knocked away and we see it here on the corner beams then, [Danny is pointing to locations on the WTC7 structural columns layout diagram] than those also say I can't hold you and you get more or less the same effect. That they break and that then also the bolt connections break. No I don't believe that those are explosive charges [re: WTC Twin Towers].
INTERVIEWER: Ok. Ok.
DANNY JOWENKO: But that is also not needed, the outside needs not to be imploded.
INTERVIEWER: Here we have it again. [watching LC WTC7 collapse video on laptop]
DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, it starts on the bottom; at the outside no implosion is needed.
INTERVIEWER: Ok, this has bursted from the bottom.
DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, it could be that in the middle sections several levels have imploded to get sufficient fall-speed, that could be. But I don't have to tell those guys how to do that, they do this kind of work the whole day. They for sure know how to handle such a building.
INTERVIEWER: Ok, but if you place bursting-charges at the higher floors one needs more time.
DANNY JOWENKO: Then you need more time, but they did it very well, but maybe there were large fo(?) I don't know what, I don't know the building. Some locations are missing, 2 or 3 floors. I don't know the building. But in principle it is a very short time.
INTERVIEWER: [not translated]
DANNY JOWENKO: It is possible, if something must, people can do much. If you have the right teams on the right location.
INTERVIEWER:The strange thing about this story is that the official report, made by FEMA, they have investigated how this building could have imploded. They say, it appears the collapse was due to, primarily to fire rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers. They don't mention explosives at all. Because according to the official report it hasn't been pulled down by explosives. [Danny pauses long, slowly forming a wry non-responsive smile]
DANNY JOWENKO: I don't know than that it has been imploded as we call it. I think this is obviously a building that has been imploded. If this is the consequence of the coming down of the WTC towers... that would greatly astonish me. I can't imagine it. No.
INTERVIEWER: Remains strange that in the official reports they don't admit it's been imploded.
DANNY JOWENKO: That's strange. That's strange. I also think that's strange. I have no explanation for it.
INTERVIEWER: What I sometimes think, has it maybe to do with insurance?
DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, that can also be. Look if that man (NYFD Commander on site at WTC7] is bribed by Silverstone because he wants his payment... and here you also have a nice percentage then he writes that simply down. This is how America is tied together. That makes September 11th very hard.
INTERVIEWER: That means that you also cannot trust government reports.
DANNY JOWENKO: Then it becomes very difficult. But, yes I didn't follow them those government reports, but I've seen a part about those military planes that all flew the other direction, that NORAD was all the way confused. Such a guy doesn't fly over the ocean while he needs to fly the other direction. But they are not sent to the other direction wittingly, it was one big muddle. This was an enormous psychological slap...
http://ca.youtube.com/wat...InbjU&feature=related
Jowenko WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 3 of 3
[Danny watches LC WTC7 collapse video again]
INTERVIEWER: Look, it is simple like this? If you see the bottom going first bursting-charges are involved?
DANNY JOWENKO: Again, you clearly see, those other things start at the top and you see the outer walls being pressed outwardly because the middle-core sags down. There the bolt connections break etc. etc. It goes and the rest is, as the energy comes it comes and it presses it away.
INTERVIEWER: And this building, to avoid that other buildings collapse, in my opinion you have to implode it on more levels than only the bottom floor? You can not take that risk then? There were buildings near.
DANNY JOWENKO: Uh, right, there are several ways to... [Danny is studying the structural column layout diagram for WTC7] you can for example also only cut/burn the columns on higher levels. That's what they also do. Then they stand loose on top of each other. Yes, you assail me also with this now, if you think a little bit longer about it, how do you have to collapse such a building as fast as possible... and you bring down the columns only on the bottom floor and weakens them, you can cut them funnel-shaped, a column then cannot go to the left or to the right, it remains standing but they are loose. If it then goes you get the effect, they don't need to apply cutter charges everywhere.
INTERVIEWER: But what you say not takes more than 7 hours?
DANNY JOWENKO: I don't know, you maybe will need 20 guys with a cutting torch. They have such a column within 15 minutes in such a V-form. Let them do 4 floors then with so many people. Everything then is loose as... all possible. It is all possible. I'm convinced.
INTERVIEWER: This was the picture and movie thing. I don't know if I have other nice things to show, what more do I have. This has collapsed but the other building has imploded and on such a clean way that you have to ask yourself how could they do that in the chaos of that day. There was fire everywhere, and also in that building.
DANNY JOWENKO: But that was a small fire, they could extinguish that and that was what they've done.
INTERVIEWER: No they didn't do that.
DANNY JOWENKO: They didn't extinguish it?
INTERVIEWER: No, not extinguished. So they'd have to do it while it was on fire.
DANNY JOWENKO: For me it is a little bit like "watching coffee dregs", I mean, that is not a lot of information, if we had some pictures from the other side, especially those at the side of the twin towers.
INTERVIEWER: That's correct, we don't have that, there has only been created a kind of damage report. Here, it's a little bit guesswork/performed on intuition, using testimonies of firemen. They've seen that there was a damage here that probably went as far as here, it could be that also these 3 columns have been damaged, these 5 and these 2.
DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, then Silverstein must say bring it down because once there is fire, if it became hot you have to replace your steel. Do you know what it cost if you have to replace the bottom columns and jack up the rest? That will not be cheap for a building with 47 floors.
INTERVIEWER: [not translated]
DANNY JOWENKO: Then you say: away with it. And if there is a company, you so much million, we do it for 1 million. That's how it goes. Business goes very fast in such a situation. And they do it.
INTERVIEWER: But it remains that it happened in secret.
DANNY JOWENKO: I'm sure that I've heard in the journal that it's been imploded, that buildings were weakened.
INTERVIEWER: Then it should be here in the official report, and then the whole research should not be needed.
DANNY JOWENKO: You should replay those journals from 9/11, could you not somewhere at the NOS...?
INTERVIEWER: I'll try that, I'll check it. But it is undeniably true that the official government report dedicated a whole research to this building and said: maybe it could be due to fire and maybe not, we are not really sure. That's the conclusion of the report.
DANNY JOWENKO: Take that building of Timothy McVeigh, half of it was gone, they also had to implode it, half of it was gone.
INTERVIEWER: That was also why I have the picture of this building... that is WTC3, it sustained the full load of all supporting beams of the two buildings at that side and it is still standing. There is a hole but it still stands. That's what I mean.
DANNY JOWENKO: A little bit strange huh?
INTERVIEWER: So we don't get all the answers.
DANNY JOWENKO: You expected to get them all?
INTERVIEWER: Yes, I hoped.
DANNY JOWENKO: I said to you before that I knew nothing about WTC7. I can only say that, if only this is... [Danny motions to the structural column layout diagram for WTC7] On this the building will stand. Guaranteed. Guaranteed.
INTERVIEWER: Okay lets do some things from this corner. [Interviewer shows Danny a diagram illustrating WTC7 structural columns, key trusses, impact damage and collapse progression]
INTERVIEWER: Can you point to this with your finger.
DANNY JOWENKO: Interesting. Were there people in?
WOMAN ASSISTANT: No it was evacuated.
DANNY JOWENKO: Completely evacuated, that is of course an important point.
WOMAN ASSISTANT: [not translated]
DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, that's why it is logical that it is imploded, it was evacuated.
INTERVIEWER: Exactly.
DANNY JOWENKO: [studying diagram illustrating WTC7 structural columns, key trusses, impact damage and collapse progression] Yes and there were several penthouses, huge huge floor areas. But why did they lie about it? That has probably to do with money I think.
INTERVIEWER: But can a millionaire get a government so crazy that they write a false report for the insurance? That is in fact what that means. It is a government report lying over there.
DANNY JOWENKO: I think that there are so many concerned parties that played a role in that whole area there. Mr. So and So puts his money in development, re-development, reconstruction. Maybe he say, I'll join for that percentage, It can be everything. That was such a hectic time, in an hour decisions are made that normally would take five years. But he got all the luck, nothing asbestos free, Bush came days later not for nothing, after the measurements said ok. I mean they don't have a king or queen there. Do you think that [Queen] Beatrix would stand on that debris immediately? Asbestos free, cadmium free, all those heavy metals... If that a little bit..then she may come, not earlier. That's the same with Bush, but he is and was...
INTERVIEWER: Normally when you implode such a building it takes you weeks and months to remove the asbestos.
DANNY JOWENKO: In Paris one recent collapse, it took 10 months of pre-demolition, cleaning. Our insurance policy states that we can implode only after there is an asbestos free certificate. The measurements should indicate that there is nothing left, because otherwise we are not allowed to implode. But that didn't play a part here, everything was already totally spoiled. In the course of years more people shall die. Yes, the first firemen that dies by asbestos cancer are buried already.
INTERVIEWER: That's what I mean.
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in the video at Letsroll forums you hear the journalist describe a '50' stories collapse. WTC is closer to 50 at 47 stories than your WTC2 at 22 stories, and he describes the massive avalanche of smoke which was particularly shown after the "PULLING" (as Silverstein even said in plain speech) of WTC7. So obviously...?
he described something he didnt see, something that was relayed by others,
something that was already obscured by smoke and dust from the collapse of
the towers so no one could get an accurate assessment on the buildings
height when visibility was under 50 feet
tell us, how much can you see in there? do you believe the dust and smoke
just instantly cleared after the towers came down?
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But I do not want this a 'was WTC 7 a controlled demolition. Yes it was/no it wasn't etc' thread which will derail it from the broader OCCULT angle of 9/11 and other related events etc. So prisoner, if you choose to reject the reality of the CD of the "Salomon" Building (which is occultist reference to Solomon's Temple, by the way)then that is you not me.
so what you're saying then is that witchcraft/magick brought down the
towers and no explosives were involved even though you show an interview
with the claim it was explosives
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you're fixated on 11, maybe it's the phallic shapes, 2,801 does not equal
11 unless you use the mystical no hard rules math you love so much
I am not "fixated" on anything. I am revealing patterns/codes/ the occult/hidden, and their fixation is on number 11. That you cannot see it again is your problem. I am presenting the evidence and it is VERY clear.
you're not revealing anything, you're simply making claims without
revealing
any rules or foundation, that's what we've been saying throughout the thread
the number 11 didnt bring down the towers, nor did magick or the occult
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
#15862477 - 02/25/12 03:16 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Enlil said:
Humans have a strong tendency to look for order...to look for patterns. That's what makes us different than other species. Sometimes, a person will get obsessed with putting everything together in such a way that it makes sense. Life, however, is not part of a grand pattern. It is not part of a master plan.
Seeing patterns is intelligence. It is not necessarily 'looking for order'. I do not see any order in the horrible orgy of merciless violence which is 9/11! How do you actually know life is not part of a grand pattern? Surely your philosophy dictates how you are seeing the pattern of reality yourself, which is your worldview, so your insistence is ironic.
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Two buildings were hit (btw...any two skyscrapers beside each other look like 11).
Errrr no they dont. The TWIN towers were specifically made to look like they did which look like Towers--and I will get to that mythological reference later--and their masternumber, A GIGANTIC 11. It is very amusing you cannot see something so startlingly inescapably obvious (would you say you had a technical capacity or an artistic one). What does it mean? Occult?
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They came down exactly how they should have come down. No controlled demolition was necessary. People use the speed at which they fell as evidence, but they fell at that speed...it wouldn't be any faster or slower regardless of why they fell. People say that it wouldn't have fallen straight down, but anyone who knows anything about physics and engineering knows that there is no other way it can fall. The tower can't topple over sideways...it's too heavy to maintain structure. It would collapse just like it did.
These are just words. You offer no supporting back-up for your assertions which quite frankly, for all I have learned, I do not take that seriously. ALSO there are physicists and engineers who would utterly argue with you. You aware of this?
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Building 7 was hit very hard and had a gaping hole in the side of it...along with a lot of fires...it fell too...just like it would have...
If it had a gaping hole in side of it why did it go down like a CD? maybe the professional CD experts are wasting their time with their meticulous work of taking buildings down as neatly as WTC7 dropped. They just need to get gaping holes in the side? lol
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The pentagon clearly was hit by a plane, since there were plane engine parts in photos outside of the pentagon...
I never said it wasn't. Where'd that come from? Are you on a loop
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In the aftermath, looking at hundreds of facts, it's easy to spot patterns and think that they add up to some grander conspiracy...but that just isn't borne out by the facts...
According to you. All you are doing is putting words down which contradict me. it is just your opinion. In this thread I have gone to a lot of effort to present all kinds of evidences. All you do is an elaboration of 'ohhh no it isn't'.
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Finally, if you truly believe that the number of deaths on 9/11 were planned to add to 11...then you absolutely have to accept that the people behind it do actually have magical powers. It would be beyond any human being's influence to make sure that exactly 2801 people died in three different buildings and four different planes...
I have personally looked into this theory time and again...at first believing like you do...the more I looked...the more I found that everything points to the fact that two buildings were taken down by planes crashing into them...
The FACT you believe in the liklihood of two planes managing to bring two massive twin towers down like we saw, and I suppose you believe the alleged terrorists were flyin em too...says to me that what ever dodgy magick they was usin that day must have worked on you, by befuddling your comprehension of reality. I am serious about this. And this is one of the reasons I want to expose their propaganda and magick. Look, propaganda works--it manpulates peoples perceptions of reality and self-image. Their occultism is an extensions of this. BOTH techniques can see seen as magick.
If you had even bothered to see all of the thread, even the last several pages, you would have REMEMBERED (memory is VERY important when studying this) because we are exploring all kinds of associations, layers, keeeping them in mind. These people are creating MYTH. So, anyway, if you had--you would have known I already made clear that the actual planes officially reported 11, 77, 175, and 93 needn't have been the actual planes used! It is the number repoted/said to be involved--etc-- that is important for their occult ritual. Same is so for reported deaths, etc. This is why they were insistent on that death count to be read out at their 'all-seeing'eye' ritual ceremony at their place of sacrifice, Ground Zero--for as said, the number gematriacally added to their master number 11
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15862482 - 02/25/12 03:19 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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zzripz said:
whats "55=11*5" mean?
55 equals 11 times 5.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15862604 - 02/25/12 03:59 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Yes, DANNY JOWENKO, is a controlled demolition expert, and knows it was a controlled demolition.
Demolition Expert Danny Jowenko Still Believes WTC-7 Was CD http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1955
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Danny Jowenko?
Jeff: I know you had commented on WTC building 7 before?
Danny: That’s right
Jeff: And I have come to my own conclusions that it couldn’t have come down by fire?
Danny: No, absolutely not.
Jeff: Are you sticking by your comments where you say it must have been a controlled demolition?
Danny: Absolutely.
Jeff: You as being a controlled demolitions expert, you’ve looked at the evidence, you’ve looked at the building, and you’ve determined with your expertise that.
Danny: I’ve looked at the drawings, at the construction, and it couldn’t have been done by fire. So no, absolutely not.
Jeff: Oh, OK, because I’d been reading on the internet that people were asking about you, and they said ‘I heard that Danny Jowenko had retracted his statement of what he said earlier about WTC 7 now saying that it came down by fire. I said there’s no way that’s true.
Danny: No, no, no, absolutely not.
Jeff: When I have called demolition experts here in North America they tell me that “ Oh its possible it came down by fire, and this and that and stuff like that”
Danny: Listen, when the FEMA makes a report that it came down by fire, and you have to earn your money in the States as a controlled demolitions company, and you say ‘no it was a controlled demolition’ your gone, you know?
Jess: yeah, exactly, you’ll be in a lot of trouble if you say that right?
Danny: Of course, it’s the end of your story.
Jeff: yeah, because I was calling demolitions companies to ask them if they used the term “pull it” in their demolitions terms, and even Controlled Demolitions Incorporated said they did. But the other people didn’t want to talk to me about building 7 really obviously because they knew what happened and didn’t want to say it, right?
Danny: yes, exactly, exactly.
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so what you're saying then is that witchcraft/magick brought down the
towers and no explosives were involved even though you show an interview
with the claim it was explosives
You don't seem to listening, reading, if you ask that question. I have presented evidence in this thread where I show explosives very much were used to bring down the Towers and WTC7, but I do not disclude occultism as part of this deeper operation. There are levels to it. DID the magick they used have an affect? I cannot say. What I am more doing is looking at the occultist clues. I haven't even touched on the occultist astrological part of 9/11 yet which very much reveals that great planning was done for that fateful day 'Above and Below'--in Hermetic magick this is called 'As Above So Below'. A question to you---do you believe in the power of propaganda to manipulate peoples minds?
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you're not revealing anything, you're simply making claims without
revealing
any rules or foundation, that's what we've been saying throughout the thread
the number 11 didnt bring down the towers, nor did magick or the occult
The NUMBER 11 was the TOWERS!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15862680 - 02/25/12 04:24 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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zzripz said:
Yes, DANNY JOWENKO, is a controlled demolition expert, and knows it was a controlled demolition.
yes, danny is a demolition expert, as is Mark Loizeaux from Controlled
Demolition Inc, the difference between the two is that Jowenko was never
there, he never viewed anything in detail, he was led by the nose with a
few selected videos and prints and floundered with the yes/no as to whether
it really was a controlled demolition based on the time constraints and man power
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The NUMBER 11 was the TOWERS!
so magick was used to bring down the magick number
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15862830 - 02/25/12 05:03 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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The FACT you believe in the liklihood of two planes managing to bring two massive twin towers down like we saw, and I suppose you believe the alleged terrorists were flyin em too...says to me that what ever dodgy magick they was usin that day must have worked on you, by befuddling your comprehension of reality. I am serious about this.
What's the difference between this and your ideas being called crazy? It seems to me the venom has been just about equally distributed on this thread, but the whining about it hasn't.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15862907 - 02/25/12 05:18 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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If you had even bothered to see all of the thread, even the last several pages, you would have REMEMBERED (memory is VERY important when studying this) because we are exploring all kinds of associations, layers, keeeping them in mind. These people are creating MYTH.
The main problem with your whole argument, and the thing I try to keep getting at, is that you aren't doing any of the work necessary to show that these people (whoever they are) actually believe these things or that these symbols/coincidences are actually symbols and not coincidences. It's all well and good that you see all these connections, but it is by no means obvious that things like the number of windows on the observation deck of the Statue of Liberty are symbols. It seems like you're making up all kinds of connections and then assuming that every one is shared by this cult without any sort of rationale as to why some things fit and others don't. How are you so certain you've tuned in on these people's thought process?
If you (a rhetorical you, I don't actually mean anyone here) are involved in an occult plot/ritual, why are you going to use things like the number of windows to signal that it's a plot? Who are you trying to signal to anyway? And why choose random things like that?
The way I see it, if these things are all part of a pattern, there should be some logic as to why we see "symbols" in some things and not in others. Why would only one count of the number of deaths be manipulated to be one of your significant numbers - why not all of them? Why would they do things like make the number of usable floors (74) on the Freedom tower add up to 11 instead of the more obvious and significant total number of floors (105)? (Especially since naming the top floor the 105th floor was a deliberate decision, the non-usable "floors" are really just maintenance space)
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
#15863458 - 02/25/12 07:23 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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According to you. All you are doing is putting words down which contradict me. it is just your opinion. In this thread I have gone to a lot of effort to present all kinds of evidences. All you do is an elaboration of 'ohhh no it isn't'.
See this is the fundamental problem with your whole approach...you misunderstand our different positions. YOU are propounding a theory which goes counter to the conventional wisdom. As a result, YOU have the burden of proof here...not me...
My role here is to think critically and question your evidence...cross examine it, if you will...and it simply isn't holding up.
What you call evidence is nothing but anecdotes...and speculations. I work in a field where I have to deal with evidence...evidence must be authenticated...must be reliable. Often, it must be subject to cross examination. Nothing you've presented is anything that I haven't heard before and hasn't been debunked dozens of times in dozens of ways. This is why I haven't bothered to offer "evidence" in support of my contrary belief.
As I have said before, I looked very deeply into all of this, and it led me to where I am now. I firmly believe that there was a conspiracy of muslim extremists who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks.
I am very familiar with Crowley and his books. I have read most of them, and I came to the conclusion that the man had lost touch with reality to the point where he was no longer of sound mind. As you go on, I fear that you might actually be heading down the same path...
Sometimes, what we think is expanding our mind and reaching higher understanding...is really just creating more distractions so that we can't understand anything.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15866038 - 02/26/12 12:14 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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yes, danny is a demolition expert, as is Mark Loizeaux from Controlled
Demolition Inc, the difference between the two is that Jowenko was never
there, he never viewed anything in detail, he was led by the nose with a
few selected videos and prints and floundered with the yes/no as to whether
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The NUMBER 11 was the TOWERS!
so magick was used to bring down the magick number
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The FACT you believe in the liklihood of two planes managing to bring two massive twin towers down like we saw, and I suppose you believe the alleged terrorists were flyin em too...says to me that what ever dodgy magick they was usin that day must have worked on you, by befuddling your comprehension of reality. I am serious about this.
What's the difference between this and your ideas being called crazy? It seems to me the venom has been just about equally distributed on this thread, but the whining about it hasn't.
I am not whining. I dont like rules. I would rather freedom and no banning. I dont GVIE a shit if you call my ideas crazy, but surely my ideas are me at that given time, so if I call you out that you may be a shill or are possibly left-brained thinker due to left-brain 'education' and I get banned that is not fair. That is all I am gonna say cause i dont want the thread derailed from the actual subject.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15866101 - 02/26/12 12:35 PM (3 months, 23 hours ago) |
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The main problem with your whole argument, and the thing I try to keep getting at, is that you aren't doing any of the work necessary to show that these people (whoever they are) actually believe these things or that these symbols/coincidences are actually symbols and not coincidences.
You forgot to add "in my opinion". I actually have done so, in my opinion, and others who can see what I am revealing.
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It's all well and good that you see all these connections, but it is by no means obvious that things like the number of windows on the observation deck of the Statue of Liberty are symbols. It seems like you're making up all kinds of connections and then assuming that every one is shared by this cult without any sort of rationale as to why some things fit and others don't. How are you so certain you've tuned in on these people's thought process?
Why do you think for example Skull and Bones includes the number 32? First, do you know? I am not saying I do, but surely if you don't the honest answer is that you dont. So which is it?
Do you realize that mythology, including the Bible, includes symbolism which isn;t immediately evident in the literal script?
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If you (a rhetorical you, I don't actually mean anyone here) are involved in an occult plot/ritual, why are you going to use things like the number of windows to signal that it's a plot? Who are you trying to signal to anyway? And why choose random things like that?
You are asking the question from a premise you have already decided. That is not good investigation, IMO. Why should I assert that the fact the windows can be calculated via gematria to be the number 11 that that must mean it is to "signal a plot"?
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The way I see it, if these things are all part of a pattern, there should be some logic as to why we see "symbols" in some things and not in others. Why would only one count of the number of deaths be manipulated to be one of your significant numbers - why not all of them?
All of which? I don't understand. I explained above that there was an official insistence of the number count which then was read out at their Ground Zero ritual with the all-seeing-eye shape. I linked you to another video of the collapse of first tower where time of collapse also added to 11, and this was also a ritual. 11 is their masternumber.
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Why would they do things like make the number of usable floors (74) on the Freedom tower add up to 11 instead of the more obvious and significant total number of floors (105)? (Especially since naming the top floor the 105th floor was a deliberate decision, the non-usable "floors" are really just maintenance space)
Hmmm I am not familiar with that. Useable floors? How do you mean? What I do know about the 'Freedom Tower' is that its heifgght is BLATANTand AUDACIOUS occult reference to the 'success of their operation' because 1,776 feet is the same number of the date of both America's Independence, the 'New Atlantis (Sir Francis Bacon--I will have more to say about this) and the birthday of the Bavarian Illuminati.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
#15866535 - 02/26/12 02:21 PM (3 months, 22 hours ago) |
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See this is the fundamental problem with your whole approach...you misunderstand our different positions. YOU are propounding a theory which goes counter to the conventional wisdom. As a result, YOU have the burden of proof here...not me...
But I have already said more than once it does. Of course it goes counter to the conventional wisdom. It is hidden, and incorporates symbolism, numerology, and astrology, and other associations not common to the mehcanistic-paradigm mode of operation, nor the religios it is used to, and I said I think the very 'education' system is structured for that very reason. To 'dumb us down' so we not only cannot think critically, but lose sense of our deeper creative imagination. This I feel is a huge reason that these same powers forbid the psychedelics, because anciently psychedelics are known to liberate the creative imagination, and other studies show that this also is 'hidden' in mythsic writing and images, which is why I keep mentioning the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. They do not want that freedom for their slaves, the want to suppress consciousness.
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My role here is to think critically and question your evidence...cross examine it, if you will...and it simply isn't holding up.
But your not. Your just contradicting me.
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What you call evidence is nothing but anecdotes...and speculations. I work in a field where I have to deal with evidence...evidence must be authenticated...must be reliable. Often, it must be subject to cross examination. Nothing you've presented is anything that I haven't heard before and hasn't been debunked dozens of times in dozens of ways. This is why I haven't bothered to offer "evidence" in support of my contrary belief.
As you keep saying yet do not even present evidence for these supposed debunkings. You even admit you "haven't bothered to offer "evidence" in support of my contrary belief."
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As I have said before, I looked very deeply into all of this, and it led me to where I am now. I firmly believe that there was a conspiracy of muslim extremists who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks.
Well, that's you and not me. The more I investigate the deeper I learn more things. As you reveal you believe the offical story of 9/11. I do not.
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I am very familiar with Crowley and his books. I have read most of them, and I came to the conclusion that the man had lost touch with reality to the point where he was no longer of sound mind. As you go on, I fear that you might actually be heading down the same path...
I am no fan of Crowley at all, and never have been--unlike other prominent people in the psychedelic movement like Leary, and RAW. But that is not the point. The point is to understand his influence within the occult societies!
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Sometimes, what we think is expanding our mind and reaching higher understanding...is really just creating more distractions so that we can't understand anything.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15866576 - 02/26/12 02:29 PM (3 months, 22 hours ago) |
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yes, danny is a demolition expert, as is Mark Loizeaux from Controlled
Demolition Inc, the difference between the two is that Jowenko was never
there, he never viewed anything in detail, he was led by the nose with a
few selected videos and prints and floundered with the yes/no as to whether
it really was a controlled demolition based on the time constraints and man power
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“The involvement of Steve Tully and Mark Loizeaux in the destruction of the evidence of the unprecedented collapses would seem to disqualify them as objective reporters of evidence. Interestingly, CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing. That Loizeaux stood trial on charges of illegal campaign contributions casts further doubt on his credibility.”
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The NUMBER 11 was the TOWERS!
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so magick was used to bring down the magick number
I do not know. I am investigating that the Towers, (and the whole WTC complex, etc), was a project of an elite deep into the occult, but that they would have used magick ritual which included their technology. I dont think they really separate their technology FROM their magick, and this is why, for example, all over their "baby" the nuclear bomb, and its testing, and use on human beings and all life, is occult symbolism and numerology!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15867212 - 02/26/12 05:21 PM (3 months, 19 hours ago) |
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I agree with this:
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“The involvement of Steve Tully and Mark Loizeaux in the destruction of the evidence of the unprecedented collapses would seem to disqualify them as objective reporters of evidence. Interestingly, CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing. That Loizeaux stood trial on charges of illegal campaign contributions casts further doubt on his credibility.”
you agree with what, some anonymous quote from the internet that makes wild claims with nothing to back it up
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2000-09-27/news/0009270139_1_loizeaux-demolition-brothers
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A federal jury acquitted two Baltimore County brothers yesterday who were accused of steering illegal campaign donations to Rep. Elijah E. Cummings in a case that had threatened to topple their world-renowned demolition company.
Jurors deliberated less than two hours before clearing J. Mark and Douglas K. Loizeaux of charges that they caused Cummings' campaign treasurer to file false reports in 1996 with the Federal Election Commission. The jury also acquitted the brothers' company, Controlled Demolition Inc.
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so magick was used to bring down the magick number
I do not know. I am investigating that the Towers, (and the whole WTC complex, etc), was a project of an elite deep into the occult, but that they would have used magick ritual which included their technology. I dont think they really separate their technology FROM their magick, and this is why, for example, all over their "baby" the nuclear bomb, and its testing, and use on human beings and all life, is occult symbolism and numerology!
and just when I didnt think it could, the whole concept becomes more absurd
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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The main problem with your whole argument, and the thing I try to keep getting at, is that you aren't doing any of the work necessary to show that these people (whoever they are) actually believe these things or that these symbols/coincidences are actually symbols and not coincidences.
You forgot to add "in my opinion". I actually have done so, in my opinion, and others who can see what I am revealing.
No, I meant that factually. Literally whenever you are asked to give evidence that something is not a coincidence, all you do is point at it again and go "Look, it HAS to be a symbol, I already told you it was, it fits into my theory."
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It's all well and good that you see all these connections, but it is by no means obvious that things like the number of windows on the observation deck of the Statue of Liberty are symbols. It seems like you're making up all kinds of connections and then assuming that every one is shared by this cult without any sort of rationale as to why some things fit and others don't. How are you so certain you've tuned in on these people's thought process?
Why do you think for example Skull and Bones includes the number 32? First, do you know? I am not saying I do, but surely if you don't the honest answer is that you dont. So which is it?
Do you realize that mythology, including the Bible, includes symbolism which isn;t immediately evident in the literal script?
Clear non sequiturs and evasion.
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If you (a rhetorical you, I don't actually mean anyone here) are involved in an occult plot/ritual, why are you going to use things like the number of windows to signal that it's a plot? Who are you trying to signal to anyway? And why choose random things like that?
You are asking the question from a premise you have already decided. That is not good investigation, IMO. Why should I assert that the fact the windows can be calculated via gematria to be the number 11 that that must mean it is to "signal a plot"?
Yes, why should you assert that? Especially without any argument as to why your idea that it does must be so. Btw, germatria is the assigning of numbers and value to words and phrases, not "adding all the digits of a number up together."
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The way I see it, if these things are all part of a pattern, there should be some logic as to why we see "symbols" in some things and not in others. Why would only one count of the number of deaths be manipulated to be one of your significant numbers - why not all of them?
All of which? I don't understand.
All of the counts. The estimate of the number of people killed is constantly being revised.
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I explained above that there was an official insistence of the number count which then was read out at their Ground Zero ritual with the all-seeing-eye shape.
Yes, at one point that was the count. Arguably there was an eye shape formed, but it was not the All Seeing Eye by any means. Two poor pieces of evidence should not be construed as somehow together being good evidence.
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I linked you to another video of the collapse of first tower where time of collapse also added to 11, and this was also a ritual. 11 is their masternumber.
The odds of a time picked at random adding up through your method to 11 is 9%. Therefore, the odds that neither tower would fall at a time that adds up to 11 is 91% * 91%, or 82.81%. Thus the odds that at least one of them would fall at an "11" time are 17.19%.
Though even by themselves those are pretty non-significant odds to support a claim that the collapse was specifically planned, I think they understate things. If the towers had also been struck at a significant moment (a time adding up to 11) you would have also cried foul then too. The odds of nothing happening at a "significant" moment if we include the times the towers were struck drop to 68.57%, and the odds that at least one event would happen at a significant time become a respectable 31.43%.
If you include things like the time the pentagon was struck and the time that Flight 93 crashed, then your odds update to 56.79% chance that nothing would happen at a significant time vs. a 43.21% chance that at least one of those times would add up to 11.
And if you want to add in things like times that any reporters erroneously reported on a collapse or strike or some other disaster and consider things like looking sideways at the position of the hands of the clock as ways of adding numbers up to significant numbers...then even though we can't quite calculate that normally, I think a pretty reliable guess would be a 0% chance that nothing would add up to a significant time.
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Why would they do things like make the number of usable floors (74) on the Freedom tower add up to 11 instead of the more obvious and significant total number of floors (105)? (Especially since naming the top floor the 105th floor was a deliberate decision, the non-usable "floors" are really just maintenance space)
Hmmm I am not familiar with that. Useable floors? How do you mean? What I do know about the 'Freedom Tower' is that its heifgght is BLATANTand AUDACIOUS occult reference to the 'success of their operation' because 1,776 feet is the same number of the date of both America's Independence, the 'New Atlantis (Sir Francis Bacon--I will have more to say about this) and the birthday of the Bavarian Illuminati.
No, it is a blatant and audacious reference to the BIRTHDATE of the COUNTRY whose citizens it MEMORIALIZES. How can you go about saying that I'm willfully ignoring connections when you can't accept that one?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15871625 - 02/27/12 03:44 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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you agree with what, some anonymous quote from the internet that makes wild claims with nothing to back it up
I dont know the actual case details, but i DO know guilty people have gotten away with it before, especially when they have status, expensive lawyers, and corrupt judges. But sure't the MAIN point of my quote is their being part of a 'clean-up-the-evidence-for government'?
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I do not know. I am investigating that the Towers, (and the whole WTC complex, etc), was a project of an elite deep into the occult, but that they would have used magick ritual which included their technology. I dont think they really separate their technology FROM their magick, and this is why, for example, all over their "baby" the nuclear bomb, and its testing, and use on human beings and all life, is occult symbolism and numerology!
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and just when I didnt think it could, the whole concept becomes more absurd
Of course it is absurd, but that cant stop you looking into it. Well it dont me. I want to know. I dont want to live some absurd lie. Being played to the limit. They are hardly fukin harmless!
This is interesting--again like I say, I learn as I investigate this. Even though I knew of The Manhattan Project, for some reason it hadn't occred to me this meant the nuclear bomb was made in Manhattan!
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It is funny how the powers-that-be hide the truth right under your nose, in plain sight. In the early 40s the "Manhattan Project" was started. Years later we all knew about the devastation of the first A-bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. It turns out that no one could fathom that the government would build an Atom bomb right in downtown Manhattan…We referred to the World Trade Center as being "Ground Zero."
Hmm....Remember I said "hiding in plain sight." "Ground zero" began with the Manhattan Project and the bombing of Japan. The term 'ground zero' was be used to designate the point on the ground directly beneath the point of detonation, or 'air zero.
Ground Zero was the code name given to the spot chosen for the atomic bomb test at Trinity Site...
Christie Whitman of the EPA under orders from the White House stated the air was safe to breathe. Thousands of first responders are now sick as well as are downtown residents. Where is the EPA's air sampling report for radiation? Why was it never made public?
Why were the steel girders quickly brought to the Staten Island Landfill and sold without an investigation?. Should not a forensic investigation have been conducted of the steel and debris?
...First responders are contracting cancers at an unprecedented rate compared to the public at large. Of interest many are rare blood cancers such as multiple myelomas, lymphomas, leukemia, esophageal, lung, gastric and kidney cancers...Interesting enough Gulf War veterans report experiencing severe headaches,joint pain, diarrhea,dizziness, memory problems, fatigue and skin rashes in addition to breathing and similar gastric problems that mimic 9/11 illness. ..Conclusion: ...The World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition that involved thermite and small, possibly suitcase nuclear weapons. The WTC really is "Ground Zero," the site of an atomic blast.
The high heat fires were evidence of a nuclear "China Syndrome."Sand and copious amounts of water were used for radiation containment and the contaminated sand and structural steel girders were quickly carted off and disposed off. http://www.sott.net/articles/show/227597 '
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15871678 - 02/27/12 03:53 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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It gets more amusing how you struggle to see what I, and others, are very clearly pointing out. Sorry, I dont know what to help you, but you DO seem VERY interested in this nevertheless lol
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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This is interesting--again like I say, I learn as I investigate this. Even though I knew of The Manhattan Project, for some reason it hadn't occred to me this meant the nuclear bomb was made in Manhattan!
You mean Los Alamos?
Edit: Or any of the thirty+ other facilities?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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It is funny how the powers-that-be hide the truth right under your nose, in plain sight. In the early 40s the "Manhattan Project" was started. Years later we all knew about the devastation of the first A-bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. It turns out that no one could fathom that the government would build an Atom bomb right in downtown Manhattan…We referred to the World Trade Center as being "Ground Zero."
Hmm....Remember I said "hiding in plain sight." "Ground zero" began with the Manhattan Project and the bombing of Japan. The term 'ground zero' was be used to designate the point on the ground directly beneath the point of detonation, or 'air zero.
Ground Zero was the code name given to the spot chosen for the atomic bomb test at Trinity Site...
Christie Whitman of the EPA under orders from the White House stated the air was safe to breathe. Thousands of first responders are now sick as well as are downtown residents. Where is the EPA's air sampling report for radiation? Why was it never made public?
Why were the steel girders quickly brought to the Staten Island Landfill and sold without an investigation?. Should not a forensic investigation have been conducted of the steel and debris?
...First responders are contracting cancers at an unprecedented rate compared to the public at large. Of interest many are rare blood cancers such as multiple myelomas, lymphomas, leukemia, esophageal, lung, gastric and kidney cancers...Interesting enough Gulf War veterans report experiencing severe headaches,joint pain, diarrhea,dizziness, memory problems, fatigue and skin rashes in addition to breathing and similar gastric problems that mimic 9/11 illness. ..Conclusion: ...The World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition that involved thermite and small, possibly suitcase nuclear weapons. The WTC really is "Ground Zero," the site of an atomic blast.
The high heat fires were evidence of a nuclear "China Syndrome."Sand and copious amounts of water were used for radiation containment and the contaminated sand and structural steel girders were quickly carted off and disposed off. http://www.sott.net/articles/show/227597 '
Read the article, and all I can say is 
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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This is interesting--again like I say, I learn as I investigate this. Even though I knew of The Manhattan Project, for some reason it hadn't occred to me this meant the nuclear bomb was made in Manhattan!
You mean Los Alamos?
Edit: Or any of the thirty+ other facilities?
lol 
I'm continually amazed by how the nuttiest claims seem to be presumed valid by the same folks who have the gall to call great swaths of the world "sheep" for believing the news or other non-youtube/non-blog sources of information.
As I recall, about the only thing the project had to do with Manhattan was the location of the Army Engineering office that first set up the project after the president's commision suggested atomic weapons be researched. I'm sure some of the work continued to be done there, but, like you said, the project was spread out across the US, with work being done in the UK as well.
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It gets more amusing how you struggle to see what I, and others, are very clearly pointing out. Sorry, I dont know what to help you, but you DO seem VERY interested in this nevertheless lol
And once again you discuss the person rather than the issue, presuming someone needs "help" and appealing to some nonexistant bandwagon which apparantly believes what you can't yourself provide evidence of.
As has been pointed out before: no evidence of the existance of these groups or these symbols has been provided beyond the circular claims shown here.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Read the article, and all I can say is
I am afraid you will have to do better than some emoticon. is it a SYMBOL for something? laziness?
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As you keep saying yet do not even present evidence for these supposed debunkings. You even admit you "haven't bothered to offer "evidence" in support of my contrary belief."
Look, if we're going to talk about evidence...here is where we should start:
1. Hundreds of witnesses saw planes hit the towers
2. Cameras captured planes hitting the towers
3. Cameras caught the towers on fire, and eventually come down
4. The "20th hijacker" admitted to the conspiracy
5. Osama Bin Laden admitted to being a part of the planning.
6. Controlled demolition requires a team to go in and spend days/weeks stripping supports and planting charges.
7. No one has claimed to have seen such charges being planted in the buildings
Added together...that is STRONG evidence that planes pilotted by terrorists hit the buildings and brought them down...This is why YOU have the burden to prove your alternate theory...It isn't enough simply to say "this dude says he saw a video of the building coming down...and he knows it was a controlled demolition." I use expert witnesses all the time, and it is normal to have two experts testify to directly contradictory theories...that says nothing...
Explain how they planted all of those charges without anyone noticing...in a building where people work 24/7. It strains credibility that no one would notice that supports were stripped to the bare metal and had something attached to them as they went in and out of the building for weeks...
This is my evidence...So far, yours is that the number 11 is all around the circumstances of the day...I don't see how that counters any of the evidence I've offered.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15874821 - 02/28/12 04:46 AM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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lol
I'm continually amazed by how the nuttiest claims seem to be presumed valid by the same folks who have the gall to call great swaths of the world "sheep" for believing the news or other non-youtube/non-blog sources of information.
sources you ridicule that much of the time investigate and UNCOVER stuff the gov's media will not even whisper about or even KNOW about?!
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As I recall, about the only thing the project had to do with Manhattan was the location of the Army Engineering office that first set up the project after the president's commision suggested atomic weapons be researched. I'm sure some of the work continued to be done there, but, like you said, the project was spread out across the US, with work being done in the UK as well.
So you must then have you missed this then in your fave mainsteam media paper published YEARS ago?
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By nature, code names and cover stories are meant to give no indication of the secrets concealed. “Magic” was the name for intelligence gleaned from Japanese ciphers in World War II, and “Overlord” stood for the Allied plan to invade Europe.
Many people assume that the same holds true for the Manhattan Project, in which thousands of experts gathered in the mountains of New Mexico to make the world’s first atom bomb.
Robert S. Norris, a historian of the atomic age, wants to shatter that myth.
In “The Manhattan Project” (Black Dog & Leventhal), published last month, Dr. Norris writes about the Manhattan Project’s Manhattan locations. He says the borough had at least 10 sites, all but one still standing. They include warehouses that held uranium, laboratories that split the atom, and the project’s first headquarters — a skyscraper hidden in plain sight right across from City Hall.
“It was supersecret,” Dr. Norris said in an interview. “At least 5,000 people were coming and going to work, knowing only enough to get the job done.”
Manhattan was central, according to Dr. Norris, because it had everything: lots of military units, piers for the import of precious ores, top physicists who had fled Europe and ranks of workers eager to aid the war effort. It even had spies who managed to steal some of the project’s top secrets.
“The story is so rich,” Dr. Norris enthused. “There’s layer upon layer of good stuff, interesting characters.”
Still, more than six decades after the project’s start, the Manhattan side of the atom bomb story seems to be a well-preserved secret.
Dr. Norris recently visited Manhattan at the request of The New York Times for a daylong tour of the Manhattan Project’s roots. Only one site he visited displayed a public sign noting its role in the epochal events. And most people who encountered his entourage, which included a photographer and videographer, knew little or nothing of the atomic labors in Manhattan.
“That’s amazing,” Alexandra Ghitelman said after learning that the buildings she had just passed on inline skates once held tons of uranium destined for atomic weapons. “That’s unbelievable.”
While shock tended to be the main reaction, some people hinted at feelings of pride. More than one person said they knew someone who had worked on the secret project, which formally got under way in August 1942 and three years later culminated in the atomic bombing of Japan. In all, it employed more than 130,000 people.
Dr. Norris is also the author of “Racing for the Bomb” (Steerforth, 2002), a biography of Gen. Leslie R. Groves, the project’s military leader. As his protagonist had done during the war, Dr. Norris works in Washington. At the Natural Resources Defense Council, he studies and writes about the nation’s atomic facilities.
Dr. Norris began his day of exploration by taking the train to New York from Washington, coming into Pennsylvania Station just as General Groves had done dozens of times during the war to visit project sites.
“Groves didn’t want the job,” Dr. Norris remarked outside the station. “But his foot hit the accelerator and he didn’t let up for 1,000 days.”
For tour assistance, Dr. Norris brought along his own books as well as printouts from “The Traveler’s Guide to Nuclear Weapons,” a CD by James M. Maroncelli and Timothy L. Karpin that features little-known history of the nation’s atom endeavors.
We headed north to the childhood home of J. Robert Oppenheimer, the eccentric genius whom General Groves hired to run the project’s scientific side as well as its sprawling New Mexico laboratory. Last year, a biography of Oppenheimer, “American Prometheus” (Knopf, 2005), won the Pulitzer Prize.
“One of the most famous scientists of the 20th century,” Dr. Norris noted, got his start “walking these streets” and attending the nearby Ethical Culture School.
Oppenheimer and his parents lived at 155 Riverside Drive, an elegant apartment building at West 88th Street. The superintendent, Joe Gugulski, said the family lived on the 11th floor, overlooking the Hudson River.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/science/30manh.html?pagewanted=all
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and of course I knew about Los Alamos
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It gets more amusing how you struggle to see what I, and others, are very clearly pointing out. Sorry, I dont know what to help you, but you DO seem VERY interested in this nevertheless lol
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And once again you discuss the person rather than the issue, presuming someone needs "help" and appealing to some nonexistant bandwagon which apparantly believes what you can't yourself provide evidence of.
As has been pointed out before: no evidence of the existance of these groups or these symbols has been provided beyond the circular claims shown here.
According to you. Not me and others who are understanding this. just because....your errr ideas cannot for some reason grasp this does not mean that that = you are 'right'. To me it means you not seeing it. I have shown in these pages many examples from all differwent sources that clearly points to an occultist agenda going on. It is VERY easy after such efforts someone types a sentence "As has been pointed out before: no evidence of the existance of these groups or these symbols has been provided beyond the circular claims shown here."
by the way how come 'your ideas' is different from 'you'? Do you feel separate from your ideas?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15877215 - 02/28/12 04:25 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Regarding Dimitri Khalezov's theory that nukes brought down the towers. Well, could be, but I am NOT impressed with the videos I have watched him giving an interview. In part 2 where 9/11 is quoted from his book, He totally gets all the plane number sequence wrong saying that Flight 77 flew into the North Tower...!
he claims that the Towers were built with nuclear devices 'because in the 1960s nukes were not so feared'---BS! So--he claims-- when Controlled Demolition Inc. were consulted about the WTC towers, so he says, they came with the idea to plant nukes in the basement so when the time came to demolish them they could do so without harm to surrounding buildings, and that this was once openly discssed publically...! LOL
And that the government had no knowledge of 9/11...???
So no, this is first time I have taken time to listen to Dimitri, and he does not make sense and seems complete disinfo!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15878594 - 02/28/12 08:39 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Disinfo, seems like a common theme in this thread. Just for clarification, I'm talking about all the OP's posts.
There is something much deeper here, ZZ, you have just barely scratched the surface. I fear that this is a beginning of a mass global genocide. Every iconic building has been pre wired with det cord and thousands of tons of ANFO and super secret nano thermite. It's the only logical way it could have had happened.
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Same thing happened to me when I played Neil Armstrong in Moonshot. They found me in an alley in Burbank trying to re-enter the earth's atmosphere in an old refrigerator box.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
#15880552 - 02/29/12 09:04 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Look, if we're going to talk about evidence...here is where we should start:
1. Hundreds of witnesses saw planes hit the towers
2. Cameras captured planes hitting the towers
3. Cameras caught the towers on fire, and eventually come down
4. The "20th hijacker" admitted to the conspiracy
5. Osama Bin Laden admitted to being a part of the planning.
6. Controlled demolition requires a team to go in and spend days/weeks stripping supports and planting charges.
7. No one has claimed to have seen such charges being planted in the buildings
Added together...that is STRONG evidence that planes pilotted by terrorists hit the buildings and brought them down...This is why YOU have the burden to prove your alternate theory...It isn't enough simply to say "this dude says he saw a video of the building coming down...and he knows it was a controlled demolition." I use expert witnesses all the time, and it is normal to have two experts testify to directly contradictory theories...that says nothing...
Explain how they planted all of those charges without anyone noticing...in a building where people work 24/7. It strains credibility that no one would notice that supports were stripped to the bare metal and had something attached to them as they went in and out of the building for weeks...
This is my evidence...So far, yours is that the number 11 is all around the circumstances of the day...I don't see how that counters any of the evidence I've offered.
Are you a lawyer?
Here's where YOU should start. Also look at all the sources these videos provide too.
9/11 Connect the Dots Ep. 1 (Part 1 of 2)
9/11 Connect the Dots Ep. 1 (Part 2 of 2)
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15884472 - 03/01/12 03:36 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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When detectives investigate a crime they first look for
M O T I V E.
Just a cursory look at who would have THE most motive for 9/11:
If you claim that these 'mastermind terrorists' who could devize to take over large Boengs with no other weapns cept box-cutters, and then mange to not only fly them, but escape the strongest most expensive military defense system in the world AND manage to bring down for the very first time THREE steel-framed buildings...etc. If they would plan and devise all of this, and YET MISS that this action would cause the genocide of their people, of persecution, tortures, indefinate without-trial imprisonment, and murders of their brothers and utter contamination of their land, and water and air, and the occupation of their land by their enemy.
So looking at all that who then had the BETTER motive for planning and carrying out 9/11. Silverstein for one--he made fukin BILLIONS from it! What a lucky old shyster hey?
What ONE Billion Dollars Looks Like!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
#15884813 - 03/01/12 06:54 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Are you a lawyer?
Here's where YOU should start. Also look at all the sources these videos provide too.
I watched both of the videos you provided...and I waited patiently for all of the "sources" that you told me they would reveal...no such revelation came. In fact, these videos are nothing more than one man talking as if he knows what he is talking about...yet...he offers no support for any of his statements...
I am a lawyer...and I have yet to see anything from you or anyone else that even comes close to reliable evidence of your claim.
It is common for people to get hung up on motive, but motive is not, and never has been, an element of any crime. There are possibly millions of people on the planet with a motive to have killed those people on 9/11...that doesn't make them all guilty.
Most importantly, this conspiracy would require a LOT of people involved...I understand the process of compartmentalization, but this isn't 1950. There are tons of sites on the internet that have regurgitated the same info you are bringing forth...Why is it that there isn't someone saying "I was involved in planting explosives" or whatever...Why can't a single reliable witness be found?
BTW...I am also a pilot...the flights into the buildings were neither remarkable nor impossible for a human to execute. I've heard that theory before, but it simply isn't true. The last minute turn is a product of the sloppy approach...
The sad part of it is that people who fervently cling to wild theories about it make it harder to actually investigate REAL issues about the event. I am a firm believer that the US government failed miserably that day, and that there is a strong possibility that some people within the government knew of the attack beforehand.
Unfortunately, no one will ever look very deeply into that possibility because it is lumped in with the entire panoply of conspiracy theories concerning the event.
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After some thought, I realized that I may not be giving your theory enough analysis...I have to admit that I am a bit lost when I read your postings. This might be because you think on a much higher level than I do....
To help me understand your theory, please break it down into a list of facts that support your theory. Linking videos of other people doesn't help because they have their own theories which clearly differ from yours...
To focus the discussion even further, try to limit your facts to the cause of the collapse of buildings 1, 2, and 7...I just want to understand why you believe the way you do.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
#15885057 - 03/01/12 08:34 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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I watched both of the videos you provided...and I waited patiently for all of the "sources" that you told me they would reveal...no such revelation came. In fact, these videos are nothing more than one man talking as if he knows what he is talking about...yet...he offers no support for any of his statements...
The sources are not buses, or cabs, you have to "wait" for, they are links you click and then have to do the work---they are there under the video. Do you see them?
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I am a lawyer...and I have yet to see anything from you or anyone else that even comes close to reliable evidence of your claim.
Then all that can be said to that is from my perspective you have't looked hard enough.
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It is common for people to get hung up on motive, but motive is not, and never has been, an element of any crime. There are possibly millions of people on the planet with a motive to have killed those people on 9/11...that doesn't make them all guilty.
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I watched both of the videos you provided...and I waited patiently for all of the "sources" that you told me they would reveal...no such revelation came. In fact, these videos are nothing more than one man talking as if he knows what he is talking about...yet...he offers no support for any of his statements...
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Remember that motive, circumstance, and purpose are key elements in determining exactly what type of homicide you're investigating. source
criminal investigation, ensemble of methods by which crimes are studied and criminals apprehended. The criminal investigator seeks to ascertain the methods, motives, and identities of criminals and the identity of victims and may also search for and interrogate witnesses. source
The study of motivation is not an exact science but it is important in helping profilers identify the type of people they are dealing with. This helps investigators narrow the suspect pool to arrest the right people.
Lexi David
Criminal Motivation
“Why people do what they do”...There are many things that motivate criminals. A few things that help motivate a criminal such as; profit, what are they gaining, source
In normal criminal investigations, prosecutors attempt to establish who had the means, motive, and opportunity to carry out a crime, in order to identify suspects and direct investigations. Michael C. Ruppert, a former LAPD officer, told the Commonwealth Club that the administration that immediately accused al Qaeda of committing the 9/11/01 crimes never established that its members had the means, motive, or opportunity to commit the crimes. source
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Most importantly, this conspiracy would require a LOT of people involved...I understand the process of compartmentalization, but this isn't 1950. There are tons of sites on the internet that have regurgitated the same info you are bringing forth...Why is it that there isn't someone saying "I was involved in planting explosives" or whatever...Why can't a single reliable witness be found?
Oh please. IF you were so deep that it was you who had planted explosives for such an operation of 9/11 and wanted to admit your part in such a crime as 9/11? Well on one side you would have threat of murder from the big boys behind it, and on the other the choice of life in prison and/or the death sentence. As for other things which contradict the offical CONSPIRACY THEORY there are plenty as you should know after watching those videos and checking out the links.
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BTW...I am also a pilot...the flights into the buildings were neither remarkable nor impossible for a human to execute. I've heard that theory before, but it simply isn't true. The last minute turn is a product of the sloppy approach...
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PROVE to me you are a pilot. There ARE pilots with proof, and real NAMES online as part of the 9/11 truth movement who say very different.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/4410343/1/
Darryl Jenkins, the director of the Aviation Institute at George Washington University, told the New York Times that the men who carried out the attacks "knew what they were doing down to very small details." He said, "Every one of them was trained in flying big planes." The Times reported that a "number of aviation experts agreed" with Jenkins and had said that "the hijackers must have been experienced pilots." John Nance, an airline pilot, author, and aviation analyst, said that "the direct hits on the two towers and on the Pentagon suggested to him that the pilots were experienced fliers." Nance pointed to the "smooth banking of the second plane to strike the towers," and said that "precisely controlling a large jet near the ground, necessary for the Pentagon attack, also required advanced skill." Nance concluded, "There's no way an amateur could have, with any degree of reliability, done what was done" in the 9/11 attacks. [2]
A pilot who had been with a major carrier for more than 30 years told CNN that to "pull off the coordinated aerial attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon ... the hijackers must have been extremely knowledgeable and capable aviators." The pilot added, "They know what they were doing." [3]
Robin Lloyd, a Boeing 737 captain with a British airline, told The Telegraph that "the hijackers had to be experienced pilots with more than just a rudimentary knowledge of navigation." Lloyd, who co-runs the Professional Pilots' Rumour Network website, which is "regarded worldwide as one of the prime sources of accurate information for the aviation industry," said the terrorists at the controls of the hijacked aircraft "had to be 100 percent switched on people, 100 percent experienced pilots, probably military trained." He said someone like Osama bin Laden "wouldn't have access to pilots of the caliber needed to pull it off." [4]
And then we have the question of those videos showing strange features under the plane that went into tower 2. Professional people who know aircraft have said--as you will have seen in the above videos--that the reported passenger airlines did NOT have that pod underneath, but military planes yes:
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Capt. Thomas Deatherage – Former commercial airline pilot. Aircraft flown: Boeing 737, 747. Certified Flight Instructor (single and multi-engine and instrument). 9,000+ total hours flown.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"I am so happy that a professional organization is finally trying to dig up the truth!
I am a former airline captain with over 9,000 flight hours, Captain on both the Boeing 747-400 and 737- 300.
After viewing many posted videos on "Youtube" I can tell you without hesitation that clearly aircraft # 2 B-767 - was radio controlled into the building – Tower 2. The "pod" mounted on the bottom of the aircraft, is manufactured by "Martin Marietta" Corporation in Los Angeles.
The pod has been used extensively by the USAF for outfitting drone aircraft for over 22 years, and you can clearly see it in (4) of the amateur videos- just before impact, with tower # 2. source
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The sad part of it is that people who fervently cling to wild theories about it make it harder to actually investigate REAL issues about the event. I am a firm believer that the US government failed miserably that day, and that there is a strong possibility that some people within the government knew of the attack beforehand.
Unfortunately, no one will ever look very deeply into that possibility because it is lumped in with the entire panoply of conspiracy theories concerning the event.
Oh dear, the very thing you will accept is exactly that, a conspiracy theory, so please stop using that as some kind of put-down label. OBVIOUSLY if 'some knew in the government and aint tellin' that IS conspiracy, riight?
Now the OTHER CLUES are clues, and they wont just go away because you dont agree with them or call them, ironically, 'conpisracy theory'. Rather these are genuine inquiries!
Explain those pods under the plane? Explain witnesses seeing black military planes with no windows?
This is why the deeper layer of an occult investigation is so very important, because it reveals the real perpetrators behind 9/11.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15885272 - 03/01/12 09:31 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Oh dear, the very thing you will accept is exactly that, a conspiracy theory, so please stop using that as some kind of put-down label. OBVIOUSLY if 'some knew in the government and aint tellin' that IS conspiracy, riight?
Explain those pods under the plane? Explain witnesses seeing black military planes with no windows?
I hate to burst your bubble...but...a conspiracy requires an AGREEMENT to COMMIT A CRIME...knowing a crime is going to be committed is NOT a conspiracy...
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Conspiracy
In addition, motive may help people investigate something...but it isn't an element of the crime and need not be proven to convict...There are countless sources that will confirm this...and you would learn this in a first year crim law course in law school...but here's one quickie you can look up on the internet.
http://www.nycourts.gov/cji/1-General/CJI2d.Motive.pdf
Finally, I don't need to prove I'm a pilot...I could...I could give you my name and you could look it up on the FAA web site...but why would I do that? I can't imagine any reason I would want you to have my name and address...Besides...I certainly have never claimed to be an expert on piloting an airliner...I do know, however, that I lined up and landed a plane on my second flight...the runway was about 100 feet across...how wide were wtc 1 and 2?
As far as 77 in the pentagon...there are lots of pilots who agree that it wouldn't be that hard to do... Here's a quote:
"It's not that difficult, and certainly not impossible . . . If you're doing a suicide run, like these guys were doing, you'd just keep the nose down and push like the devil" - Capt Ronald Bull, retired UA pilot with many years of experience flying 727, 747, 757, and 767 aircraft.
"I don't see any merit to those arguments whatsoever. . . The Pentagon is a pretty big target and I'd say hitting it was a fairly easy thing to do." - George Williams. 38 years piloting 707, 727, DC-10 and 747 aircraft for Northwest Airlines.
As far as a pod under the plane? You quote a guy who says it is clear to the point where he can tell you the make and model of the pod...I've looked at all of the photos and there is nothing THAT clear about it at all...But I'm not an expert at photographic analysis...Ronald Greeley, on the other hand, is. He analyzed the photos and saw no pod at all..
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-planes#thepod
You claim that witnesses saw planes with no windows. You don't give any links to such a witness account...but here is one look at it from http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-planes#thepod
"Flight 175's Windows
Claim: On Sept. 11, FOX News broadcast a live phone interview with FOX employee Marc Birnbach. 911inplanesite.com states that "Bernback" saw the plane "crash into the South Tower." "It definitely did not look like a commercial plane," Birnbach said on air. "I didn't see any windows on the sides."
Coupled with photographs and videos of Flight 175 that lack the resolution to show windows, Birnbach's statement has fueled one of the most widely referenced 9/11 conspiracy theories—specifically, that the South Tower was struck by a military cargo plane or a fuel tanker.
FACT: Birnbach, who was a freelance videographer with FOX News at the time, tells PM that he was more than 2 miles southeast of the WTC, in Brooklyn, when he briefly saw a plane fly over. He says that, in fact, he did not see the plane strike the South Tower; he says he only heard the explosion.
While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. "It's ... from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2," Corley states flatly. In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied—including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine—as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building's north side and fell from the sky. "
Anyone can get an expert to agree with them...that isn't the point...I'm giving you expert evidence to point out that it isn't helpful unless there is more...so far, your "more" is all about numerology...I'm not seeing it...
BTW - Where is your source that Silverstein made a billion dollars from 9/11? Everything I've read indicates that he lost a lot of money.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
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I hate to burst your bubble...but...a conspiracy requires an AGREEMENT to COMMIT A CRIME...knowing a crime is going to be committed is NOT a conspiracy...
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Conspiracy
I am not a great devottee of the 'black letters of the law'. I see the legal establishment as very corrupt, and this is a big reason that in America there are more people in prison than anywhere in the world, and the highest percentage are the 'poor', and people of colour!! But even apart from that, I personally know when a group is conspiring or has conspired, and also do not need to be told by a judge the 'legal' difference between right and wrong:
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conspiracy
mid-14c., from Anglo-Fr. conspiracie, O.Fr. conspiracie "conspiracy, plot," from L. conspirationem (nom. conspiratio) "agreement, union, unanimity," noun of action from conspirare (see conspire); earlier in same sense was conspiration (early 14c.), from Fr. conspiration (13c.), from L. conspirationem. An O.E. word for it was facengecwis. As a term in law, from 1863. Conspiracy theory is from 1909.
If you choose the scenario of "some people" in government "allowing" such a vast crime as 9/11, and then using it to justify genoicide in Afghanistan and Iraq, and torture, and taking peoples freedoms away as NOT a conspiracy then your definition is not mine, and I dont agree with yours and never will, I don't care how 'legal' you term it.
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In addition, motive may help people investigate something...but it isn't an element of the crime and need not be proven to convict...There are countless sources that will confirm this...and you would learn this in a first year crim law course in law school...but here's one quickie you can look up on the internet.
http://www.nycourts.gov/cji/1-General/CJI2d.Motive.pdf
Same with this, you discount the references I gave, and just demand that this is what 'motive' means--according to 'the law'. But I am not bound to your legalize and can find out for myself who is motivated to do a crime, and it is obvious from what happened pre-9/11 and the outcome of 9/11 who it suited the best, particularly the Zionists.
I am curious, are you Jewish? I am not asking to slur you or call you a Zionist because you are Jewish, but admit to trying to dig where your coming from. I am not Jewish, and am not claiming all Jews are Zionists.
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Finally, I don't need to prove I'm a pilot...I could...I could give you my name and you could look it up on the FAA web site...but why would I do that? I can't imagine any reason I would want you to have my name and address...Besides...I certainly have never claimed to be an expert on piloting an airliner...I do know, however, that I lined up and landed a plane on my second flight...the runway was about 100 feet across...how wide were wtc 1 and 2?
If you cannot prove it then why should I believe in the authority of what you assert? Not that I would even if I found out you were, but mostly what is typed here is just-words which in themselves have no evidential meaning.
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As far as 77 in the pentagon...there are lots of pilots who agree that it wouldn't be that hard to do... Here's a quote:
"It's not that difficult, and certainly not impossible . . . If you're doing a suicide run, like these guys were doing, you'd just keep the nose down and push like the devil" - Capt Ronald Bull, retired UA pilot with many years of experience flying 727, 747, 757, and 767 aircraft.
"I don't see any merit to those arguments whatsoever. . . The Pentagon is a pretty big target and I'd say hitting it was a fairly easy thing to do." - George Williams. 38 years piloting 707, 727, DC-10 and 747 aircraft for Northwest Airlines.
Catain Ronald 'Bull' hey...? lol. I am sure you could get 50 more to back em up, but it still would not really do anything. There are a lot of conformists about who support the establishment.
Why do you think other pilots who give their names, and rank, and reputation, will say otherwise to what your people are saying?
By the way where are the links to where they have said this online? Have they been in discussion with others, especially other pilots and aircraft professionals who would challenge their view of those flights and targets being easy-peasy?
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As far as a pod under the plane? You quote a guy who says it is clear to the point where he can tell you the make and model of the pod...I've looked at all of the photos and there is nothing THAT clear about it at all...But I'm not an expert at photographic analysis...Ronald Greeley, on the other hand, is. He analyzed the photos and saw no pod at all..
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-planes#thepod
he may need glasses? But this pod-thing could be causing a diversion. I am aware of this, though am still interested of course.
Popular Mechanics, owned be the Hearst Corporation which is in cahoots with the Rockerfellers. And as I will show--the Rockerfellers are up to their occultist tits in 9/11, so it seems fitting that a magazine connected to them would trump how their official tale is correct.
I must let you know something though. I am FLEXIBLE with this inquiry. As I keep saying it is extremley complex, and I dont think it helps to be too rigid. I find this rigidity with both some truthers and especially debunkers who will not GIVE an inch usually. I mention the pod because I have seen videos, and heard professionals question the underneath of the planes, and also witness testimony that the planes were not airliners, so it seems to me wrong to jump to conclusions,
Say that passenger planes were the projectile targets, does this mean 9/11 was not an inside job? Am I clear that is what your saying? Obviously because you assume that these 'inexperienced' pilots could suddenly fly these planes like pros--as other PILOTS who question the official narrative have asserted.
Is it not true that as well as flying you have to know all the computer systems on the planes?
So say they did this, and also at the same time have worked out that after the manage to penetrate the towers this will cause the fuel to melt and/or bend the steel structure and bring down THREE steelframed skycrapers in full technicolour--the FIRST ever steel-framed building to collapse from fire in history... and THREE? Does this NOT sound like a movie plot to you?
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You claim that witnesses saw planes with no windows. You don't give any links to such a witness account...but here is one look at it from http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-planes#thepod
If you had watched the videos I linked you to you would have seen this, so I am surmsing you didn't or you would have remembered.
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"Flight 175's Windows
Claim: On Sept. 11, FOX News broadcast a live phone interview with FOX employee Marc Birnbach. 911inplanesite.com states that "Bernback" saw the plane "crash into the South Tower." "It definitely did not look like a commercial plane," Birnbach said on air. "I didn't see any windows on the sides."
Coupled with photographs and videos of Flight 175 that lack the resolution to show windows, Birnbach's statement has fueled one of the most widely referenced 9/11 conspiracy theories—specifically, that the South Tower was struck by a military cargo plane or a fuel tanker.
FACT: Birnbach, who was a freelance videographer with FOX News at the time, tells PM that he was more than 2 miles southeast of the WTC, in Brooklyn, when he briefly saw a plane fly over. He says that, in fact, he did not see the plane strike the South Tower; he says he only heard the explosion.
While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. "It's ... from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2," Corley states flatly. In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied—including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine—as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building's north side and fell from the sky. "
That FOX employee wasn't the only one to witness seeing planes not looking like airline flights which verifies his testimony.
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Anyone can get an expert to agree with them...that isn't the point...I'm giving you expert evidence to point out that it isn't helpful unless there is more...so far, your "more" is all about numerology...I'm not seeing it...
BTW - Where is your source that Silverstein made a billion dollars from 9/11? Everything I've read indicates that he lost a lot of money.
One of the reasons I am researching about the occult clues is precisely because of the 'befuddlements' reagarding the more mundane clues for if it can be shown that there is an underlying code which points to a secret group then this exposes the fuckers doesn't it??
At the moment you have only heard about the numerology, though actually I have mentioned the more image-based symbolism, but there is also astrological clues etc. I for example mentioned the related murder (as in by the hidden power structure) of JFK and the PLACE he was murdered which resembles their occult pyramid --a shape of shich is on your one dollar bill, etc, and I was myself utterly surprised to see two photographs of the road that it happened in the past and later, errrm 90s, I think---the links are above. The later phostograph has a skyscraper towering over the older buildings in the background with a pyramid-shaped top! Now this either speaks to you or it doesn't?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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I am not jewish..I am an athiest...of german descent...And I don't have a dog in this fight...
In truth, for several years I doubted the official story...the more information I got, the more it became clear that the official story is probably pretty close to accurate...
And no..you don't need to know all of the systems of a plane to fly it into a building...once it's in the air, you just have to know how to turn off the transponder so it can't be seen and turn off the autopilot so you can fly it...after that, it's just a yoke, pedals and throttle...only a little different than a C-172...Navigation can be done with any handheld gps...doesn't take a rocket scientist.
Plus, a little simulator time would teach someone enough to point the planes at a building and hit the throttle...
As far as the whole idea about who was behind the plot...that is less clear...who actually planned it? I don't claim to know that. I do know, however, that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be a government plot or mossad.
Your original post was concerning the recent codification of a "prolonged custody." I am equally troubled by that concept. The difference between me and you, however, is that I have faith that the supreme court will strike down a good portion of that law as a violation of due process. I do still believe in the system because I see it work every single day. It isn't perfect, but it is also not a corrupt system under the control of evil oppressors...
Here is where you and I diverge on a fundamental level. You see a horrible act of evil, and you readily believe that it was perpetrated by those who, to you, embody evil...whether it be the zionists, the globalists, the illuminati, the freemasons...whomever...it must be them because they are the source of all evil...
Evangelicals will say that it is satan in the form of the disciples of the false prophet mohammad...
Left wingers will say that it is our own evil deeds that we've done to others coming back to haunt us...
Right wingers will say that it is the evil people who hate democracy...
The truth is that it probably isn't evil people at all...it is probably people doing what they feel is the right thing to do based on their world view, however twisted it may be from our perspective...
similarly, a country once dropped two atomic bombs on major cities because it seemed like the right thing to do at the time...
All of your obsession with numbers and how they fit together is just seeing what you are looking for. You're not finding any answers. You're not getting any closer to any deeper truth. You're just playing with numbers and staring at images until you find a pattern. Unfortunately, you've mistaken this pattern for a design.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz] 1
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Here's a video for you about pattern recognition.
I wonder if you see what I see.
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I know you think you understand the words I have just said to you but, what you fail to realize is, what you thought I said is not what I actually meant by saying what I said, when I said it.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15888918 - 03/02/12 01:54 AM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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LOL, 'The Skeptic' Michael Shermer, it is highly comical when after telling us how the wind is 'inanimate' then goes on to say how 'souls, spirits, gods, demons, aliens, intelligent designers, government conspirators, and all manner of invisible agents with power and intention are believed to haunt our world and control our lives"--this is scientific-materialist-mechanistic-scientism' class 101, and the matrix I am trying to expose! This is exactly the 'education', and propaganda being deliberately inculcated in children. Before this it was a religious version whereby spirit is divided from matter. This chart shows you clearly what happens in transition from that part of the SAME matrix to this one:
Can you see?
Then he says at 15:21, after trying to ridicule JFK 'cpnspiracy theories':
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But of course Lincoln was assasinated by a conspiracy, so you can't uniformly dismiss all patterns like that
, but then shows absurd pictures of W. Bush shaking hands with a ridiculous steerotpyical alien-dreassed man over which he says says "because let's face it some conspiracies are true" and get's his necessary audience laugh to undermine what he has just ADMITTED which contradicts his main propaganda
Then he goes onto 9/11 and again admits that the official story of 19 hijackers etc IS a conspiracy, and says "but that is not what 9/11 truthers mean, they mean it was an inside job"--so he is saying that you CAN have conspiracy but not when you investigate the very ones saying it! THEN it becomes a BAD conspiracy 'theory'. And gets a chaep giggle by claiming "now we know that 9/11 was NOT an inside job by the Bush administration because it worked" But Mr Shermar, Mr Shemaer sir, it wasn't JUST them...? LOL
And I find that last 'example' typical of what people like Shermer's mindset seem to get off on. It is manipulative, sadistic, condescending, and NOT funny.
His whole talk, with pictures, 'comedy', and act, is a PATTERN designed for s specific purpose he intends, and those who support him intend.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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That pattern video was very telling. Thank you for posting that. I found the part about dopamine particularly relevant here. It would not surprise me in the least if the OP was someone who uses substances that increase dopamine production. That would make a lot of sense.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
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I am not jewish..I am an athiest...of german descent...And I don't have a dog in this fight...
In truth, for several years I doubted the official story...the more information I got, the more it became clear that the official story is probably pretty close to accurate...
This is apparently unusual. My experience, and from what I have heard from many others is the exact reverse; that when they begin investigating and start seeing the more and more contradictions of the official conspiracy theory they never go back to believing the OCT and continue to question more.
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And no..you don't need to know all of the systems of a plane to fly it into a building...once it's in the air, you just have to know how to turn off the transponder so it can't be seen and turn off the autopilot so you can fly it...after that, it's just a yoke, pedals and throttle...only a little different than a C-172...Navigation can be done with any handheld gps...doesn't take a rocket scientist.
So your WORDS say, and like I said--that means precisely not much evidentially speaking, espcially when I have heard a wide variety of professional pilots and aircraft people contradict your assertion.
WHY would they?
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Plus, a little simulator time would teach someone enough to point the planes at a building and hit the throttle...
I have actually seen a video where a person was asked to try and fly the planes into a simulated version of the towers and found it impossible to negotiate the simulated flight! This is a while back and I am not sure where I saved it to.
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As far as the whole idea about who was behind the plot...that is less clear...who actually planned it? I don't claim to know that. I do know, however, that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be a government plot or mossad.
OK, well you admit something very important --you do not have any idea who was behind 9/11. But then follow this confession with Quote:
I do know, however, that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be a government plot or mossad.
So first I am curious--speculate, if NOT a government ply who would have the means and notive to do it? And you don't think Mossad and the Zionists were involved?? This when most of the Semitic Middle East/Arabs have been invaded, had genocide commited against them, all their regions contaminated with depleted uranium and other toxic pollution of war, Arab males dragged away with no legal rights to be tortured, and imprisoned--all the horror of that. OF the israelies caught red-handed on 9/11 allowed to leave for israel and the story quickly dropped by the media, the prime minister of Sireal when asked about the 9/11 attacks:
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The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor." source
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See this: The "Dancing Israelis" FBI Report - Debunked Introduction
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Thanks to andie531 for obtaining and making available the FBI documents on the "Dancing Israelis": KURZBERG, SIVAN ET AL. As will be shown, this FBI 'investigation' is very similar to the NIST 'investigations' into the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings collapses, in that the conclusion is politically motivated rather than evidence-based. Section 5 even reveals how the FBI's NS-2C Unit of its "National Security Division" based at FBI Headquarters, Washington, D.C., ordered FBI Newark to stop their investigation of the Israelis.
And watch this:
Mossad Truck Bombs on Sept 11
Here is a good summary. But of course the occultist understanding of 9/11 is not here:
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"Demystifying 9/11: Israel and the Tactics of Mistake," by Dr. Alan Sabrosky, USMC, U.S. Army War College (6/28/2011)
So let us recapitulate the basic conclusions of this analysis. First, the core official US Government position on 9/11 is that any and all aspects of it are directly attributable to 19 named Arabs on 4 planes, conducting a terrorist operation planned and executed by Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda. This position is at best incomplete, and at worst a complete fabrication engineered by those directly or indirectly responsible for what happened on 9/11, and the wars afterward.
Second, Al-Qaeda and many different countries and groups had negative reasons, real or contrived, to want to harm the US. But only Israel and its neoconservative wing in the US had a positive incentive to do so, which was to enrage Americans and make the US an active belligerent against Muslim countries, thereby cementing its bonding to Israel and Israel’s interests.
Third, there is no doubt that fully-loaded civilian airliners, especially with nearly-full fuel loads, impacting the Twin Towers (WTC-1 and WTC-2) would do great damage to those buildings, although even under extraordinary circumstances could not precipitate a chain of events leading to their collapse. And there is absolutely no way that those airliners impacting 800-1000 feet above the ground could have produced visible and audible secondary explosions in those buildings at ground level, nor precipitated the collapse of a third building (WTC-7)which was not hit by any aircraft and had no massive external trauma from debris produced by the Twin Towers.
Fourth, Al-Qaeda – and perhaps other groups as well – had the theoretical capability to carry out a simultaneous four-plane hijacking, perhaps flying the aircraft to Cuba (the four 9/11 aircraft should have been able to make a one-way flight there at the beginning of their operational day without difficulty, depending on their actual loads), which would have been spectacular in itself. But neither Al-Qaeda nor any of their affiliates had the expertise and local support necessary to allow them the needed access to any of the buildings at the World Trade Center, to cut open the walls and wire them for controlled demolition, and then to escape and evade afterward.
Fifth and finally, in addition to being unique in having a positive incentive to make the 9/11 attacks, only Israel had the essential expertise and local support required to bring down the three World Trade Center buildings with controlled demolitions, and the leverage within and around the US Government to let their operatives evade detection, to be released without fanfare if apprehended unexpectedly, and to cloak their actions from public scrutiny – all of which happened on and after 9/11.
People often ask about some new evidence or proof tying 9/11, in whole or in part, to Israel. Now I understand that there can never be absolute proof for some people barring a public confession from one of the Israeli planners or their American supporters, and that, I suspect, we will never obtain – although some of the statements made later in Israel by three of the Israelis arrested in Bergen, NJ filming the burning Twin Towers comes very close to that: One stated categorically that “our purpose was to document the event,†which should leave little doubt that they knew in advance of the attacks, whether or not they themselves personally had any further role in them.
But it is not necessary to have such a confession, any more than it is necessary to have a confession in a criminal court to convict a person of murder, if the other evidence is sufficiently compelling. Here there is a mountain of physical, technical, analytical and circumstantial evidence, far more than any unprejudiced person needs to understand far beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever, that (1) the USG case is fatally flawed, and (2) this was a Mossad-directed operation orchestrated at the highest levels of the Israeli government (because of the target) with local support within the US and elements of the US Government itself.
Given the pervasiveness of Zionist influence in the US government and its intelligence and security agencies (including of course the Defense Department), two broad scenarios are possible. One is that the neo-cons and their cohorts were in the driver’s seat with Israel in the passenger seat with a map and the baggage. The second sees Israel driving with the neo-cons and others handling the map and baggage. But they were both in the same car on the road to and from 9/11. Both were embedded in aspects of the planning and execution of the catastrophe, the wars it spawned and the wars its architects now want us to wage in Israel’s name, linking treason and treachery in tandem no matter where the emphasis is placed.
Unraveling that issue is something to be left for a future investigation, interrogations and trials, followed by punishments appropriate to the magnitude of the crimes for all of the participants. Bringing an awareness of these events to the American public and others abroad in a practical and actionable way is the subject of the final piece in this series: Riposte Against Zionism: Go Tell It To The People.
Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D., University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.
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Your original post was concerning the recent codification of a "prolonged custody." I am equally troubled by that concept. The difference between me and you, however, is that I have faith that the supreme court will strike down a good portion of that law as a violation of due process. I do still believe in the system because I see it work every single day. It isn't perfect, but it is also not a corrupt system under the control of evil oppressors...
So-called legal term "prolonged sustody" IS actually being-caged-up, and this imprisonment direly affects all your life once you are eventually released! If you would like to better understand the corruption and strategic racism deeply involved in this I strongly recommend you watch this video:
Michelle Alexander: Drug War Racism
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Here is where you and I diverge on a fundamental level. You see a horrible act of evil, and you readily believe that it was perpetrated by those who, to you, embody evil...whether it be the zionists, the globalists, the illuminati, the freemasons...whomever...it must be them because they are the source of all evil...
You are tending to patronize here, and believe you know what I mean, and of course I don't think you do. This shit goes extremely deep. We live by stories, and this is not a bad thing. Anciently there have been storytelling round the fire, and creative ritual which very much has included psychedelic vegetations, etc, to engage one's sense of being in this amazing world and life we all find ourselves participating in. So I dont think there is such a thing of 'no more stories now'. Yet that is the image of reality many people connected with a materialistic philosophy and 'scientific' worldview have. They assume that all mythology, and thus stories we tell ourselves, belong to a supserstitious past, and that now we live in an 'Age of Reason and Scientific Fact', but what they dont realize is that even their science beliefs willy nilly conjure worldviews and thus stories, and this has created scientism. And I see many of their stories to be extremely toxic, and uninspiring, which is NOT beneficial for an interelated understanding of our being withnature.
I have said above in this thread, that I think the powers that be, the ones who are behind the facade of the change of governments and paradigms etc., do themselves very much follow myths which they, on one hand, keep secret on oath to their secret society, and YET, on the other hand, audaciously push thier mythic symbolism into our faces in many ways, and also very violently like with their occult ritual of 9/11.
IF their myth was harmless then no problem, but when it is in the face horror, and all the abuse being done to peoples of the world, animals, all species, and planet Earth, then we HAVE to begin to understand what is going on! because they are bascially trying to control our consciousness, and depend on us not knowing what they are doing--like a magician will do with sleight of hand?--their is a continuum with that stage magic and the more occult magicK they do, and let us not forgget their propaganda which also is a form of magic in that it is secretly manipulating you un-consciously without you being aware of this being done to you.
9/11 whether they were doing it for some 'good dream of global power' or what, ever WAS an evil act! As George Orwell would agree, please do not let them tell you that "evil is good, and ignorance is strength and freedom is slavery". Surely you dont have to be told when something is evil?? It means not good.
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Evangelicals will say that it is satan in the form of the disciples of the false prophet mohammad...
Left wingers will say that it is our own evil deeds that we've done to others coming back to haunt us...
Right wingers will say that it is the evil people who hate democracy...
So what I do is LOOK at their beliefs--at their myths, and checkout the roots of where their beliefs are stemming from. That is the best way. Once you start understanding the source and what drives these actions of self destruction and destruction of life you begin to more understand.
Women, I have found have a deeper insight into what the patriarchal world through the ages and now, and its many branches are doing, and the roots of which drives it, because it is they who have been the victims of it for quite a long time!
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The truth is that it probably isn't evil people at all...it is probably people doing what they feel is the right thing to do based on their world view, however twisted it may be from our perspective...
NOONE no matter how articulate and apologetic could tell me 9/11 or Hiroshima was for the 'good'!
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similarly, a country once dropped two atomic bombs on major cities because it seemed like the right thing to do at the time...
What they did to the life of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and all other places affected by that crime against nature was UTTER evil! It was their experiment,but even if they HAD supposedly done it for a 'good cause' it is still evil and no good could ever came from it, like no good will come from their continuation of ignorance and evil.
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All of your obsession with numbers and how they fit together is just seeing what you are looking for. You're not finding any answers. You're not getting any closer to any deeper truth. You're just playing with numbers and staring at images until you find a pattern. Unfortunately, you've mistaken this pattern for a design.
That is what I am doing according to your perspective not mine. I very much am finding out answers! Your NOT seeing them is not my problem it is yours.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
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That pattern video was very telling. Thank you for posting that. I found the part about dopamine particularly relevant here. It would not surprise me in the least if the OP was someone who uses substances that increase dopamine production. That would make a lot of sense.
And as you will ALSO not see, most likely, is that you (I predict, looking into my crystal ball) WILL get away with saying that against my person [IE., not moderated or banned] but I have been banned for doing far less than suggesting someones dopamine levels 'aint right' through 'substance abuse'--or however you meant it.
This situation reminds me of the legal system you represent where it is one law for the 'rich' and another one for the 'poor'!
If you make any more remarks like that about me, I will add you to my ignore list. I am making a lot of effort with you, and do not deserve such disrespect.
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That pattern video was very telling. Thank you for posting that. I found the part about dopamine particularly relevant here. It would not surprise me in the least if the OP was someone who uses substances that increase dopamine production. That would make a lot of sense.
And as you will ALSO not see, most likely, is that you (I predict, looking into my crystal ball) WILL get away with saying that against my person [IE., not moderated or banned] but I have been banned for doing far less than suggesting someones dopamine levels 'aint right' through 'substance abuse'--or however you meant it.
This situation reminds me of the legal system you represent where it is one law for the 'rich' and another one for the 'poor'!
If you make any more remarks like that about me, I will add you to my ignore list. I am making a lot of effort with you, and do not deserve such disrespect.
Wow...you think that it is flaming you? This entire site is about stuff that alters one's dopamine levels...it isn't an insult at all...When you take it as one, you reveal that you feel that anyone who uses drugs is somehow less worthy than those who do not...
I was simply pointing out that many of your perceptions could be the product of dopamine levels...levels that others of us do not share...If you take that as a personal insult, then you could just as easily be insulted because your opinion about menstrual cramps isn't given as much "respect" as that of a woman.
A person's level of dopamine is a physiological trait...not a personal attack...and it certainly isn't disrespectful.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
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So that is not an apology then, as you try and justify it. Well the warning still stands. I do not say anything about the dopamine or chemicals in your brain, do not do the same to me. if that is understood we may continue?
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So that is not an apology then, as you try and justify it. Well the warning still stands. I do not say anything about the dopamine or chemicals in your brain, do not do the same to me. if that is understood we may continue?
I don't think so...no...the biggest question i've had this entire time is whether or not you sincerely see what you claim to see in all of these random facts...now I have my answer...You do actually see them because you have different physiological traits that help you see them. I do not have those traits, and I will therefore never see them.
After watching that video, I remembered a time when I used to partake in psychedelics...My friends and I would talk about all kinds of things including patterns much like the ones you describe. All of us seemed to understand those patterns, but other people (ie. those that weren't using shrooms) never got it...
Now I understand that you DO see what you claim to see...and that I will never see it....
Be insulted...be indignant...put me on ignore...whatever...but I don't see any point in discussing something that will never go beyond our current impasse.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
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This is the prime example of the desperation of the pseudosceptic philosophy:
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Ironically, perhaps, while I was researching this essay, science provided a tentative reason for the differences in views between the Skeptics and the Forteans, and perhaps provided a solution to Fort’s feeling that there were unexplained relations between the events in his notes. An article in New Scientist, headlined ‘Paranormal beliefs linked to brain chemistry’, describes how ‘People with high levels of dopamine are more likely to find significance in coincidences, and pick out meaning and patterns where there are none.’(53) Ironically, science itself now seems able to explain why Forteans see patterns or meaning where Skeptics do not. Fort’s old enemy, dogmatic science, attempts to explain him. How would Fort have felt? http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=313
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Please, you people who may pretend to use this pseudoscientific bullshit as some kind of compliment. It is not. It is utter codswallop and is part of the central social-controlling myth OF this materialistc-paradigm (which ALSo refers to pattern--a consensual acceptance of what is reality]--the mental illness myth. This myth tries to claim that IF people do not fit in with what is being told by the prevailing authority to be 'normalcy' and 'acceptable behaviour' then this must 'scientifically' mean your brain chemicals aint right. This is NOT scientific in any way, and is the roots of much abuse.
If I meet a Christian who believes that in history there was a man who was born of a virgin, and was the son of God, and resurrected, and is gonna come back on clouds of glory etc--I may very well challenge his myth, but I don't say 'oh by the way your dopamine levels are a bit high. You need anti-dopamine tablets, let me call my shrink, he'll sort you out'--now do I? No. So dont do that shit to me because we don't fukin agree. Got it?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15890309 - 03/02/12 11:54 AM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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No one was questioning what you believe...or at least I wasn't...I was questioning what you perceive...what you see...how you see things...because I do not see them the same way you do...
Believe what you want...no one is telling you not to...
It's just that your chemistry makes you see things that I do not see. I'm not claiming to be right and that you're wrong...but there is no middle ground here between us. You see a circle and I see a square...it does no good to argue with each other because you can't make me see your way and I can't make you see mine.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
#15890808 - 03/02/12 01:53 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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No one was questioning what you believe...or at least I wasn't...I was questioning what you perceive...what you see...how you see things...because I do not see them the same way you do...
Believe what you want...no one is telling you not to...
It's just that your chemistry makes you see things that I do not see. I'm not claiming to be right and that you're wrong...but there is no middle ground here between us. You see a circle and I see a square...it does no good to argue with each other because you can't make me see your way and I can't make you see mine.
I hear you, but I see that as a cop-out. It makes you believe that you are missing 'chemicals' or I have 'too many' or 'not enough of the right ones' and then this becomes even MORE absurd.
Look at life. OK, there is someone who is a racist, and his perception is very ugly. He looks at people he hates in a way that is violent etc. Then suddenly some events, or change of life may happen and he sees things differently--It dont have to be racisim, it could be the problems you've had with a frind, your mum, dad, lover---etc. When these changes happen we dont say 'my CHEMICALS changed'---'my dopamine levels have increased/got back to normal'---do you?
No, it is CHANGE--learning, insight. All that other stuff is BS. It is reducing your being to chemicals. I am not saying chemicals aren't involved, but there is more.
People HAVE believed in the official theory of 9/11, and had change of mind. it happened to me. For a very short time I bought the offical crap story line. And I have been through different phases, and am STILL learning. THAT my friend is living and learning. You may feel very differnely about certain parts of life in 10 years than you do now because of experience, for better or worse.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15891042 - 03/02/12 02:39 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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zzripz said:
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Enlil said:
No one was questioning what you believe...or at least I wasn't...I was questioning what you perceive...what you see...how you see things...because I do not see them the same way you do...
Believe what you want...no one is telling you not to...
It's just that your chemistry makes you see things that I do not see. I'm not claiming to be right and that you're wrong...but there is no middle ground here between us. You see a circle and I see a square...it does no good to argue with each other because you can't make me see your way and I can't make you see mine.
I hear you, but I see that as a cop-out. It makes you believe that you are missing 'chemicals' or I have 'too many' or 'not enough of the right ones' and then this becomes even MORE absurd.
Look at life. OK, there is someone who is a racist, and his perception is very ugly. He looks at people he hates in a way that is violent etc. Then suddenly some events, or change of life may happen and he sees things differently--It dont have to be racisim, it could be the problems you've had with a frind, your mum, dad, lover---etc. When these changes happen we dont say 'my CHEMICALS changed'---'my dopamine levels have increased/got back to normal'---do you?
No, it is CHANGE--learning, insight. All that other stuff is BS. It is reducing your being to chemicals. I am not saying chemicals aren't involved, but there is more.
People HAVE believed in the official theory of 9/11, and had change of mind. it happened to me. For a very short time I bought the offical crap story line. And I have been through different phases, and am STILL learning. THAT my friend is living and learning. You may feel very differnely about certain parts of life in 10 years than you do now because of experience, for better or worse.
Looking at a black man and thinking he is likely stupid, violent, or whatever is a belief..as I said...I don't question your beliefs...you LITERALLY see things that I literally do not...that isn't belief..that is physiological in nature.
Racism is a belief system..it is learned..you see patterns that I do not see...that isn't learned...that is a physiological difference between you and me...
if I were schizophrenic and heard voices...you wouldn't hear them...no matter how much we discussed it...or tried to understand one another...because it is a physiological difference between the two of us...
THAT is what I am talking about.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
#15892189 - 03/02/12 07:10 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Finding a motive means nothing unless you have someone to be motivated...who are these people again? You've only made oblique references to Silverstein, but have not said how you think he's involved or done anything to show a link between him and the occult, or even freemasonry - I still see no evidence that this motive isn't being attached to an imaginary group of people...
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15893205 - 03/03/12 12:15 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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People HAVE believed in the official theory of 9/11, and had change of mind. it happened to me. For a very short time I bought the offical crap story line.
Reading the conspiracies and cover-ups forum has changed my mind about 9/11 in the past few weeks. I used to think that it was a US or Israeli conspiracy, in order to increase military spending and trick us into going to war.
Now I believe that it really was 19 arab hijackers who flew planes into buildings. In essence, the official story is correct.
One reason I believe this is that no more additional inside information has turned up. If it was a US plot, there would be information leaks. People would get drunk and tell friends, etc. If it was an arab plot, the planners would be in another culture and we would never hear anything more. This appears to be the case.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
#15893467 - 03/03/12 02:01 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Looking at a black man and thinking he is likely stupid, violent, or whatever is a belief..as I said...I don't question your beliefs...you LITERALLY see things that I literally do not...that isn't belief..that is physiological in nature.
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Racism is a belief system..it is learned..you see patterns that I do not see...that isn't learned...that is a physiological difference between you and me...
...LOL, what are you talking about?  What YOUR saying makes no sense at all. Whatr you are trying to do backed up by your mentor Micael Shermer is make out that because I question the authoritarian structure of society that this means I have physiological chemicals that are at fault, and you then use words to try and argue that other forms of seeing patterns, even evil patterns like racism are NOT 'as bad' as what I got because THEY are 'beliefs'. This is utter pseudoscience. There is no actual scientific evidence for what you try and make out is scientific.
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if I were schizophrenic and heard voices...you wouldn't hear them...no matter how much we discussed it...or tried to understand one another...because it is a physiological difference between the two of us...
THAT is what I am talking about.
Look, have you heard of the new studies done on magic msuhrooms? Here's an article about it:
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Psychedelic drugs: more a case of ‘turn off, tune in, drop out’
Magic mushrooms work by shutting down parts of the brain, not expanding the mind, according to new research
Six thousand years ago palaeolithic hunters painted images on the walls of the Selva Pascuala caves in Spain that look remarkably similar to locally abundant Psilocybe hispanica, one of the many “magic mushrooms” that contains the hallucinogen psilocybin. The same or similar mushrooms have been used throughout the ages to induce states of religious ecstasy, spiritual enlightenment, mystical meanderings or simply to have a great time. But how do they work? Timothy Leary, who famously told a generation of Americans to “turn on, tune in, drop out”, claimed these “mind-expanding chemicals … acts as a chemical key – it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures”.
But a few weeks ago an Imperial College-based research group headed by Professor David Nutt (who was sacked as the government’s chief drug adviser in 2009 after claiming that ecstasy and LSD were less dangerous than alcohol) reported a study that appears to show that, far from expanding the mind, psilocybin shuts it down. The researchers claim that by closing down certain regions of the brain that normally keep our minds on the reality rails, psilocybin may “enable a state of unconstrained cognition”. More “turn off, tune in, drop out”.
Professor Nutt suggests that psilocybin may be beneficial in the treatment of psychiatric diseases, such as depression, where the areas affected by the drug are often hyperactive.This bit is pseudoscience because there are NO psychiatric diseases, as there is no medical science known to prove this!] But perhaps one of the most intriguing aspects of the study is what it tells us about how our brains construct conscious experience.
The researchers used a technique known as functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to continuously scan the brains of 15 subjects who were given psilocybin (under medical supervision) and asked to perform a battery of tests and rate their experiences. The subjects reported profound changes in consciousness including dreamlike states, visual hallucinations, heightened imagination and a sense of joy; and even felt that their experiences possessed a supernatural quality – all feelings that I’m sure would have been familiar to our palaeolithic ancestors.
But what was novel about these studies was that the researchers were able to simultaneously monitor the flow of blood through the brain. They were surprised to discover that, far from switching on underused regions, the hallucinogen caused decreased blood flow through so-called “hub regions” of the brain that connect its many parts.
Making brains work better, or at least differently, by closing down bits is not new. Immersion in isolation tanks that minimise sensory experience have been a popular form of consciousness-raising alternative medicine and meditation since the 1970s. For more than a decade Allan Snyder of the University of Sydney has used transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) to inhibit the left anterior temporal lobe (LATL) of the brain. Under the influence of TMS, his otherwise normal subjects can perform tasks (naturalistic drawing, mental arithmetic, efficient proofreading) to a standard that is usually considered the reserve of autistic savants. Snyder believes that the LATL normally acts as a gatekeeper that keeps the nitty-gritty detail of the real world from gaining entry to our holistically focused conscious mind. People with a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder, he claims, have direct access to the detail but at a price of losing the ability to handle the holistic stuff. The rest of us need our gatekeeper to be disabled before we can experience the world in all its detail.
Professor Nutt’s studies suggest that psilocybin undermines brain connectivity, targeting the informational hubs where parallel streams of information compete for attention. These hubs may act as mental bouncers, keeping unwanted guests from disturbing the sobriety of our conscious minds. Our palaeolithic hunter ancestors found that it is was sometimes fun to eat mushrooms that would give the bouncer a night off and thereby enjoy the company of more riotous mental guests.
But mushrooms were, and still are, a dangerous way of tinkering with brain chemistry. Thousands of people suffer from mushroom poisoning each year, mostly from eating supposedly edible mushrooms, but the occasional death has also been reported from ingestion of magic mushrooms.[errr that is picking WRONG mushrooms...?] Professor Nutt’s study identifies those regions of the brain that are switched off by magic mushrooms. That knowledge, combined with the TMS-mediate manipulations provided by Allan Snyder’s work may eventually provide a safe means for us all to enjoy the kind of experience that is normally reserved for the less risk-averse.
Guardian.co.uk
[Emphasis and notes in brackets mine}
Although I no doubt these researchers still have the belief that the brain and body is some kind of machine, and obviously a belief in the mental illness myth, yet still it is interesting in that it seems to be showing that if processes that INHIBIT deeper awareness are inhibited then there is more understanding OF interconnectivity, and an ecstatic sense of feeling. have you not expreienced this on mushrooms or psychedelics (HAVE you even had psychedelic experience?), where you see through things--old ways of seeing, through racism, sadism, phony beliefs, peoples phony masks, etc etc? But I am curious, do you see these experiences as delusions of a 'drug'? I am guessing you do.
Do an experiment---take a psychedelic and begin looking at these patterns I am showing about 9/11. LOOK directly at the authorities. Look at their body language and false smiles, and their acceptance of the violence they impose on innocent children and others in the world, and the cocide they do, as they greedily collect the profits from their evil. See how they would not give a shit to do the same to their 'own people' IF it gets them what they want, Power!
Maybe you have to MUCH of something--something that has been 'educated' and propaganderized and occultisized into you to increas images you need to UNlearn.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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you agree with what, some anonymous quote from the internet that makes wild claims with nothing to back it up
I dont know the actual case details, but i DO know guilty people have gotten away with it before, especially when they have status, expensive lawyers, and corrupt judges. But sure't the MAIN point of my quote is their being part of a 'clean-up-the-evidence-for government'?
more than 10,000 civilian contractors worked the clean up, you wanna claim
it as 'cleaning evidence' but how can you include 10,000 without someone
spilling the beans. now instead of making yet another false and unfounded
claim why dont you post the evidence that they were destroying this so
called evidence that would prove what ever... magick bought the building down?
Why were the steel girders quickly brought to the Staten Island Landfill and sold without an investigation?. Should not a forensic investigation have been conducted of the steel and debris?
it was done, every piece left after examination, that's why the total clean up time took 5 years, you base all your knowledge on falsehoods because they're convenient and easily align with your beliefs
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...First responders are contracting cancers at an unprecedented rate compared to the public at large.
and what of the cleanup crews, the people living and working in and around
the area the day the buildings came down and during the cleanup, shouldnt
they be reporting the same cancer rates given that some are breathing it
all in 24/7/365? seems to me that something fishy would be going on if the
residents werent... like maybe these sources of cancer are occupational to
the fire fighters, maybe a few more than normal have contracted cancer and
now we're being misled... can we see some statistics on the cancer rates
for manhattan in relation to the rest of the nation?
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Of interest many are rare blood cancers such as multiple myelomas, lymphomas, leukemia, esophageal, lung, gastric and kidney cancers...Interesting enough Gulf War veterans report experiencing severe headaches,joint pain, diarrhea,dizziness, memory problems, fatigue and skin rashes in addition to breathing and similar gastric problems that mimic 9/11 illness. ..Conclusion: ...The World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition that involved thermite and small, possibly suitcase nuclear weapons. The WTC really is "Ground Zero," the site of an atomic blast.
so, how did you draw that conclusion since the cancers from the WTC would
be asbestos related. the nuke theory, that one is just dumb
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The high heat fires were evidence of a nuclear "China Syndrome."Sand and copious amounts of water were used for radiation containment and the contaminated sand and structural steel girders were quickly carted off and disposed off.
lol...
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#15893897 - 03/03/12 08:18 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Finding a motive means nothing unless you have someone to be motivated...who are these people again? You've only made oblique references to Silverstein, but have not said how you think he's involved or done anything to show a link between him and the occult, or even freemasonry - I still see no evidence that this motive isn't being attached to an imaginary group of people...
He is a Zionist, and had 99 (9 x 11year) lease on the WTC Towers of 'Boaz and Jachim', and the Solomon Temple, Salomon Building 7, with its 47 floors = 11, so I am sure he's in the picture about the occult angle alright, yeah.
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Reading the conspiracies and cover-ups forum has changed my mind about 9/11 in the past few weeks. I used to think that it was a US or Israeli conspiracy, in order to increase military spending and trick us into going to war.
Now I believe that it really was 19 arab hijackers who flew planes into buildings. In essence, the official story is correct.
One reason I believe this is that no more additional inside information has turned up. If it was a US plot, there would be information leaks. People would get drunk and tell friends, etc. If it was an arab plot, the planners would be in another culture and we would never hear anything more. This appears to be the case.
One of the reasons I think it so important that there should be investigation into the occultism surrounding 9/11 etc is because the very meaning OF occult means 'hidden', and the elites who are part of this occult secret society take oaths which if broken can mean the taking of their lives. So there is one rason that a most-likely small inside group would not spill the beans, be-cause they belong to the same secret socity, sharing the same myth, and taking the oaths, and desiring the same dream which in this case is the 'ordaned' New Aeon, or New World Order.
However, there have been whistleblowers:
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FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, the most gagged woman in America, having the State Secrets Privilege imposed on her twice, went public last year to reveal that Bin Laden maintained “intimate” relations with the US right up until 9/11.
Another whistleblower is former Sergeant in the United States Army named Lauro “LJ” Chavez. Chavez was stationed at MacDill AFB where he claims he witnessed unusual preparations for a potential airplane hitting the base on the morning of 9/11 and distinctly heard officers talking about a stand down. This led him to go public in questioning the NORAD stand down and the demolition of the twin towers.
Indeed, the fact that BBC, CNN and others reported the collapse of WTC 7 before it fell was a form of blowing the whistle, as were the first responders and firefighters who have gone on record to say they saw and heard bombs tear down both Building 7 and the twin towers.
Former NYPD officer Craig Bartmer was in the immediate vicinity of Building 7 before its collapse at approximately 5:20pm.
“I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn’t see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though,” said Bartmer. “Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn’t hear any… I didn’t hear any creaking, or… I didn’t hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming ‘get away, get away, get away from it!’… It was at that moment… I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself… Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit’s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you’re hearing “boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.” I think I know an explosion when I hear it… Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they’re saying… Nothing to account for what we saw… I am shocked at the story we’ve heard about it to be quite honest.”
9/11 COMMISSIONERS
The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.
CONGRESS
According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, a U.S. government informant was the landlord to two of the hijackers for over a year (but the White House refused to let the 9/11 inquiry interview him).
Current U.S. Senator (Patrick Leahy) states “The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush’s watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?”
U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) said the following:
“I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government ….
Those of us in the military took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.
We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!”
INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS
Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is “far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers“. He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that “very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been”, that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there’s enough evidence to justify a new, “hard-hitting” investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath. source
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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you agree with what, some anonymous quote from the internet that makes wild claims with nothing to back it up
I dont know the actual case details, but i DO know guilty people have gotten away with it before, especially when they have status, expensive lawyers, and corrupt judges. But sure't the MAIN point of my quote is their being part of a 'clean-up-the-evidence-for government'?
more than 10,000 civilian contractors worked the clean up, you wanna claim
it as 'cleaning evidence' but how can you include 10,000 without someone
spilling the beans. now instead of making yet another false and unfounded
claim why dont you post the evidence that they were destroying this so
called evidence that would prove what ever... magick bought the building down?
Why were the steel girders quickly brought to the Staten Island Landfill and sold without an investigation?. Should not a forensic investigation have been conducted of the steel and debris?
it was done, every piece left after examination, that's why the total clean up time took 5 years, you base all your knowledge on falsehoods because they're convenient and easily align with your beliefs
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...First responders are contracting cancers at an unprecedented rate compared to the public at large.
and what of the cleanup crews, the people living and working in and around
the area the day the buildings came down and during the cleanup, shouldnt
they be reporting the same cancer rates given that some are breathing it
all in 24/7/365? seems to me that something fishy would be going on if the
residents werent... like maybe these sources of cancer are occupational to
the fire fighters, maybe a few more than normal have contracted cancer and
now we're being misled... can we see some statistics on the cancer rates
for manhattan in relation to the rest of the nation?
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Of interest many are rare blood cancers such as multiple myelomas, lymphomas, leukemia, esophageal, lung, gastric and kidney cancers...Interesting enough Gulf War veterans report experiencing severe headaches,joint pain, diarrhea,dizziness, memory problems, fatigue and skin rashes in addition to breathing and similar gastric problems that mimic 9/11 illness. ..Conclusion: ...The World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition that involved thermite and small, possibly suitcase nuclear weapons. The WTC really is "Ground Zero," the site of an atomic blast.
so, how did you draw that conclusion since the cancers from the WTC would
be asbestos related. the nuke theory, that one is just dumb
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The high heat fires were evidence of a nuclear "China Syndrome."Sand and copious amounts of water were used for radiation containment and the contaminated sand and structural steel girders were quickly carted off and disposed off.
lol...
If you bothered to even follow the thread instead of hopping in and out at different points you would know I have honestly stated many times throughout the thread that I am investigating. When you have proper investigators trying to work out a case, especailly one as massively complex as this with all kinds of claims some false some half true some true, you dont put on the attitude 'LOL I know I know'---you are FLEXIBLE, and are willing to review what you may have taken to be so before, or what your not sure about etc AND finding OUT things is important.
So regarding the nuclear 'clues', I had stated above I had only just taken the time to watch the guy Dmitri's interview about his claims and after doing so also above I posted a damning critique of them. For one he doesn't even get the flight numbers right! and in looking further into it I see that what he's saying doesn't make much sense. But that doesn't mean I cannot explore theories here. it doesn't meake me 'nukes did 9/11' The attitude of 99 percent here seems to be 'I KNOW your WRONG and thats that'. Well that is no fruitful way to explore this.
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now instead of making yet another false and unfounded claim
yet you do not supply ONE source in your post, not one link to support your certainties, do ya now? It is just your unsubstanitated words. IF I give sources, or links, and you dont agree with them then you dont--ther's nothing I can do about it, and same goes for me if you quote from NIST or Popular Mechanics, or any other debunker site--though i will check it out--------- but if you just appear and just type words, that doesn't mean much I'm afraid.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Eyewitness accounts of WTC 7 damage:
"When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories."
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)
"Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable."
–PAPD P.O. Edward McQuade
"At this point, 7, which is right there on Vesey, the whole corner of the building was missing. I was thinking to myself we are in a bad place, because it was the corner facing us."
–Fred Marsilla, FDNY
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110399.PDF
"So we left 7 World Trade Center, back down to the street, where I ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale, Engine 24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did."
– FDNY Lieutenant Rudolph Weindler http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF
"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post."
– Capt. Chris Boyle
Here's what it looked like:
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Oh jeeez, this back and forth could go on indefinately. I am SURE you can go and find opposing views to mine, but this is derailing what this thread is SUPPOSED to be about---the occultist clues. But now I suppose I have to counter what you say. I will but if you counter what I say, I am afraid I will have to ask you to start a 'what happened to building 7' thread...?
OK, for the nth time: NEVER in histORY has a steel-framed skycraper collapsed like we all saw WT7 collapse. never ever ever!..Now add THAT to all the other 'magic coincidences' happening that 9/11 day.....yes? no? yes??
IF it is true that a corner was missing then it would NOT fall like it did. IF it did then Control demolitionists would greatly study that technique and would not have to plan and rig building taking a long time to bring such buislings down.
A thing I found today. According to a couple of courses, apparently Silverstein has confessed that he DID order WTC7 to by 'pulled', ie controlled demolition but will not admit it publically because...lol, OMG the irony!! it would be insurance fraud. Whether this is true or not who knows. But what I DO know is that skycrapers do not fall down like that through fire and corners missing.
Pluse many other sources contradict your sources, INCLUDING the witness, who is now dead, Barry Jenning. Experts say you have to take out the lower part of a structure to get a freefall like WTC7 did
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The Mysterious Collapse of WTC Seven
Why NIST’s Final 9/11 Report is Unscientific and False
by Prof. David Ray Griffin
NIST and Scientific Fraud
With regard to the question of science: Far from being supported by good science, NIST’s report repeatedly makes its case by resorting to scientific fraud.
Before going into details, let me point out that, if NIST did engage in fraudulent science, this would not be particularly surprising. NIST is an agency of the US Department of Commerce. During the years it was writing its World Trade Center reports, therefore, it was an agency of the Bush-Cheney administration. In 2004, the Union of Concerned Scientists put out a document charging this [NIST] administration with “distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends.” By the end of the Bush administration, this document had been signed by over 15,000 scientists, including 52 Nobel Laureates and 63 recipients of the National Medal of Science. [10]
Moreover, a scientist who formerly worked for NIST has reported that it has been “fully hijacked from the scientific into the political realm,” with the result that scientists working for NIST “lost [their] scientific independence, and became little more than ‘hired guns.’”11 Referring in particular to NIST’s work on the World Trade Center, he said everything had to be approved by the Department of Commerce, the National Security Agency, and the Office of Management and Budget---“an arm of the Executive Office of the President,” which “had a policy person specifically delegated to provide oversight on [NIST’s] work.” [12]
One of the general principles of scientific work is that its conclusions must not be dictated by nonscientific concerns – in other words, by any concern other than that of discovering the truth. This former NIST employee’s statement gives us reason to suspect that NIST, while preparing its report on WTC 7, would have been functioning as a political, not a scientific, agency. The amount of fraud in this report suggests that this was indeed the case.
According to the National Science Foundation, the major types of scientific fraud are fabrication, falsification, and plagiarism. There is no sign that NIST is guilty of plagiarism, but it is certainly guilty of fabrication, which can be defined as “making up results,” and falsification, which means either “changing or omitting data.” [13]
That description applied to the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7. The next sentence – “Debris is thrown great distances, possibly hundreds of feet” – applied to the destruction of the Twin Towers, a fact that NIST had to admit in order to explain how fires were started in WTC 7. [28] So NIST should have looked for signs of explosives, such as nanothermite.
But when asked whether it had, NIST said No. A reporter asked Michael Newman, a NIST spokesman, about this failure, saying: “[W]hat about that letter where NIST said it didn’t look for evidence of explosives?” Newman replied: “Right, because there was no evidence of that.” “But,” asked the reporter “how can you know there’s no evidence if you don’t look for it first?” Newman replied: “If you’re looking for something that isn’t there, you’re wasting your time . . . and the taxpayers’ money.” [29] (You couldn’t make this stuff up.)source
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Oh jeeez, this back and forth could go on indefinately. I am SURE you can go and find opposing views to mine, but this is derailing what this thread is SUPPOSED to be about---the occultist clues.
I think the point is that you keep pointing to expert opinion on the matter as prime support for your argument, without any analysis of how they arrived at their conclusions. When most experts disagree with those opinions, that's a pretty weak argument.
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OK, for the nth time: NEVER in histORY has a steel-framed skycraper collapsed like we all saw WT7 collapse. never ever ever!..Now add THAT to all the other 'magic coincidences' happening that 9/11 day.....yes? no? yes??
Oh please, how often are steel-frame skyscrapers the size of the twin towers hit by airplanes? How often do buildings that size fall on other buildings? Never? Ah, well, that's why that's never happened before.
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A thing I found today. According to a couple of courses, apparently Silverstein has confessed that he DID order WTC7 to by 'pulled', ie controlled demolition but will not admit it publically because...lol, OMG the irony!! it would be insurance fraud. Whether this is true or not who knows.
Everyone knows the rumor mill is such an accurate source of information.
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He is a Zionist,
You mean he's Jewish? Ooooh, the owner of a building in NYC is Jewish, how incredibly suspicious.
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and had 99 (9 x 11year) lease on the WTC Towers of 'Boaz and Jachim',
That's your name. You haven't shown any evidence that Silverstein gives two shakes about the fact that conspiracy theorists have created that association.
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and the Solomon Temple, Salomon Building 7, with its 47 floors = 11, so I am sure he's in the picture about the occult angle alright, yeah.
Again, the fact that you see these associations here is absolutely zero proof that Silverstein gives a damn.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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I think the point is that you keep pointing to expert opinion on the matter as prime support for your argument, without any analysis of how they arrived at their conclusions. When most experts disagree with those opinions, that's a pretty weak argument.
Oh, and like YOU do that. errr yeah. I never pretend to be a scientist, and I provide links, course for what I say which is more than some.
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Oh please, how often are steel-frame skyscrapers the size of the twin towers hit by airplanes? How often do buildings that size fall on other buildings? Never? Ah, well, that's why that's never happened before.
WTC 7 was not hit BY a plane. The Twin Towers were built to withstand planes, and most of the fuels explosion happened OUTside the building, and even if there was fire inside it aint magic enuf to do what we saw to TWO whopping great towers like that.
here weees go agin. This is the reason I am going deeper--ot TRYING to LOL--with this, because I am very aware of this 'game'!
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Everyone knows the rumor mill is such an accurate source of information.
He DID say "pull it pull it"IOf he write an essay I doubt you'd believe him, but I sure know he wouldn't want tthe insurance people to know.
So, WHY would he say pull it in TV interview if he wanted to hide it? This is investigation--this is not trying to be smart and know-it-all. these are serious questions
So go on --why "pull" when that is jargon NOT for getting firemen out but CD speak for CD
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You mean he's Jewish? Ooooh, the owner of a building in NYC is Jewish, how incredibly suspicious.
believe it or not there are Jews against Zionism...! Like these http://www.freewebs.com/jewsagainstzionism/
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That's your name. You haven't shown any evidence that Silverstein gives two shakes about the fact that conspiracy theorists have created that association.
Whats my name? you gettin personal?? UUU you'll have prisoner comin and bannin yu if yu dont watch out.
Neither have you he doesn't! My stuff though is stronger than what you got, which isn't much--not even a squeak.
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Again, the fact that you see these associations here is absolutely zero proof that Silverstein gives a damn.
You do not KNOW he doesn't give a damn now do you?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I found this--haven't had time to find if this is authentic yet:
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The phone number to Silverstein Properties is:
212.490.0666 (666, ill-omen)
The address to the Sears Tower is:
233 South Wacker Drive | Chicago, Illinois 60606 (666, ill-omen)
I would NOT be surprised...
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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yes I have just checked and they are both right.
6 6 6
Here's more on old 'luck bags' Silverstein:
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If you thought Andrew "assassinate Obama for Israel" Adler was the last word in chutzpah...think again.
Larry "blow up the World Trade Center for Israel" Silverstein is light-years beyond Adler.
Larry Silverstein, you may recall, is a reputed mobster who allegedly got his start in the sex services business and then oozed into real estate. Two months before 9/11, Silverstein finalized his 100-year-lease on the white elephant, condemned-for-asbestos World Trade Center complex - and proceeded to double the insurance and hardball his insurers into changing the policy to "cash payout."
On 9/11/01, Silverstein skipped his usual breakfast at the top of the North Tower. He says his wife reminded him of an appointment with his dermatologist. Other family members also stayed away, with other excuses. All of those who breakfasted there died. Silverstein and family survived.
After confessing on national television to blowing up World Trade Center 7, Silverstein went to court and asked for - and received - double indemnity, including almost a billion dollars for WTC-7 - the very building he had confessed to blowing up. Larry had the chutzpah to claim that there were two separate, unrelated terrorist attacks (the two planes) so he should get twice the money. Somehow that worked, presumably thanks to a mobbed-up judge. "Lucky Larry" walked away with more than five billion dollars, plus rights to rebuild.
But that wasn't enough chutzpah for Larry. For the past several years he's been back in court, asking for 11 billion dollars from the airlines' insurers. Now Silverstein has somehow convinced AMR, the parent company of American Airlines, to give him a special dispensation. Even though AMR has filed bankruptcy, which theoretically should stop all lawsuits against it, the company's attorneys have - for unstated reasons - chosen to insert a special rider into their bankruptcy agreement which allows Silverstein to continue suing the company. [read rest of article here
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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If you bothered to even follow the thread instead of hopping in and out at different points you would know I have honestly stated many times throughout the thread that I am investigating.
When you have proper investigators trying to work out a case, especailly one as massively complex as this with all kinds of claims some false some half true some true, you dont put on the attitude 'LOL I know I know'---you are FLEXIBLE, and are willing to review what you may have taken to be so before, or what your not sure about etc AND finding OUT things is important.
you seem to have started the 'investigation' with the idea that this is
some occultist plot, a proper investigation doesnt start in such a manner,
a proper investigation starts with the accumulation of facts, we know that
planes were crashed into the towers and that they collapsed a short time
later. a proper investigation doesnt go off on some crazy tangents about
freemasons, occultism, numerology and pseudoscience. a proper investigation
would have the investigators being able to explain theories and how they're
derived, such as the math behind the occultist numerology
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So regarding the nuclear 'clues', I had stated above I had only just taken the time to watch the guy Dmitri's interview about his claims and after doing so also above I posted a damning critique of them. For one he doesn't even get the flight numbers right! and in looking further into it I see that what he's saying doesn't make much sense. But that doesn't mean I cannot explore theories here. it doesn't meake me 'nukes did 9/11' The attitude of 99 percent here seems to be 'I KNOW your WRONG and thats that'. Well that is no fruitful way to explore this.
do you think the occultist stuff makes any sense? I can say with 100%
certainty that 99+% of the population would scoff at it and it's not as
though evidence hasnt been presented to you time and again showing you the
errors in the logic as well as what you're presenting as evidence while you
completely disregard it as it were pure fabrication because it's part of
the 'official story' and for no other reason apparently. is this how a
proper investigation would be conducted?
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yet you do not supply ONE source in your post, not one link to support your certainties, do ya now? It is just your unsubstanitated words. IF I give sources, or links, and you dont agree with them then you dont--ther's nothing I can do about it, and same goes for me if you quote from NIST or Popular Mechanics, or any other debunker site--though i will check it out--------- but if you just appear and just type words, that doesn't mean much I'm afraid.
all that ever has to be done is to ask, of course as an investigator
wouldnt it be in your best interest to look into the 'unfounded claims'
that is what investigation is about isnt it? not just looking into your
own theories because you believe you're right
here's a short list, from withn this thread of 'links' I've provided, this
wouldnt include any photographic or video evidence which I've posted, nor
does it include charts and such. of course when I post these things Iget
comments such as "As usual dude you are up to your follicles in de-nile."
is that the way an investigation is handled?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15514119#15514119
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15565974#15565974
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15667367#15667367
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15686948#15686948
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I found this--haven't had time to find if this is authentic yet:
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The phone number to Silverstein Properties is:
212.490.0666 (666, ill-omen)
The address to the Sears Tower is:
233 South Wacker Drive | Chicago, Illinois 60606 (666, ill-omen)
I would NOT be surprised...
one of many phone numbers
http://www.silversteinproperties.com/company-profile/contact-us
what does the sears tower have to do with NDAA or 9/11, as I pointed out
already, it isnt owned by larry silverstein. sure seems as though your
investigative skills should be in question, took all of 3 seconds to find
the phone numbers
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you seem to have started the 'investigation' with the idea that this is
some occultist plot, a proper investigation doesnt start in such a manner,
a proper investigation starts with the accumulation of facts,
No, Of CLUES, not facts. First you accumulate clues, and find patterns, regardless of where it may lead: Quote:
follow the argument - reason - wherever it may leadSocrates
That is what I am doing. What YOU do is your business. I dont force you to attend this thread.
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we know that
planes were crashed into the towers and that they collapsed a short time
later. a proper investigation doesnt go off on some crazy tangents about
freemasons, occultism, numerology and pseudoscience. a proper investigation
would have the investigators being able to explain theories and how they're
derived, such as the math behind the occultist numerology
THAT is what I am actually doing. I am FREE TO do that in these forums. And that is what I AM doing. I AM explaining, and if you cannot follow my explanation, line of reasoning, for whatever reason, that is not my fault
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do you think the occultist stuff makes any sense? I can say with 100%
certainty that 99+% of the population would scoff at it
No you cannot. You THINK you can but that is bye the bye.
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and it's not as
though evidence hasnt been presented to you time and again showing you the
errors in the logic as well as what you're presenting as evidence while you
completely disregard it as it were pure fabrication because it's part of
the 'official story' and for no other reason apparently. is this how a
proper investigation would be conducted?
I can say the same about you and those that share your view-POINT. You are not getting it no matter WHAT I throw at you.
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all that ever has to be done is to ask, of course as an investigator
wouldnt it be in your best interest to look into the 'unfounded claims'
that is what investigation is about isnt it? not just looking into your
own theories because you believe you're right
YOU are always going on about it, and I was referring to the last post.
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comments such as "As usual dude you are up to your follicles in de-nile."
is that the way an investigation is handled?
LOL
I feel that you are in denial. I cannot for the life of me understand how people cannot see these patterns. Another one of your group-worldview actually believes I see these patterns because I have too much of the chemical "dopamine" and thus see things that aren't there because his mate Shermer said so. Do you believe that?
NO investigator is absolutely neutral, but the thing to do is keep flexible. I for a while was interested in Dr Judy Wood's theories, and would argue for them. Am I 100 perecent that EVERYthing she says is a lie? No, but there is stuff I have found OUT that make me now question some of her theories. I have met people who are totally promoting her work and if I suddenly question stuff they freak out...LOL. Well that is a danger, because of course you follow clues and can get entranced in some theory--that is par for the course, but as long as you know that and remember to always try and keep flexible for the twists and turns of an inquiry. That is what I try and do.
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one of many phone numbers
http://www.silversteinproperties.com/company-profile/contact-us
I never said it WAS just ONE number? But that number IS a number of his 666
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what does the sears tower have to do with NDAA or 9/11, as I pointed out
already, it isnt owned by larry silverstein. sure seems as though your
investigative skills should be in question, took all of 3 seconds to find
the phone numbers
well I found the number HOURSBEFORE you so it seems I 'won'?
Sears Tower, now re-named Willis Tower, has same security, KROLL, which was the "security" at the WTC Towers
Willis Tower is owned by a group that includes Larry Silverstein
Larry Silverstein used his 9/11 insurance fraud money to buy Chicago's Sears Tower!
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Controlling Interests
Ownership, Control, and Insurance of The World Trade Center
The World Trade Center complex came under the control of a private owner for the first time only in mid-2001, having been built and managed by the Port Authority as a public resource. The complex was leased to a partnership of Silverstein Properties and Westfield America. 1 2 The new controllers acquired a handsome insurance policy for the complex including a clause that would prove extremely valuable: in the event of a terrorist attack, the partnership could collect the insured value of the property, and be released from their obligations under the 99-year lease. 3
Ownership Change
Author Don Paul investigated this and related issues for his 2002 book, which contains the following passage detailing financial aspects and ownership changes of the complex preceding the attack.
On April 26 of 2001 the Board of Commissioners for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey awarded Silverstein Properties and mall-owner Westfield America a 99-year-lease on the following assets: The Twin Towers, World Trade Center Buildings 4 and 5, two 9-story office buildings, and 400,000 square feet of retail space.
The partners' winning bid was $3.2 billion for holdings estimated to be worth more than $8 billion. JP Morgan Chase, a prestigious investment-bank that's the flagship firm of its kind for Rockefeller family interests, advised the Port Authority, another body long influenced by banker and builder David Rockefeller, his age then 85, in the negotiations.
The lead partner and spokesperson for the winning bidders, Larry Silverstein, age 70, already controlled more than 8 million square feet of New York City real estate. WTC 7 and the nearby Equitable Building were prime among these prior holdings. Larry Silverstein also owned Runway 69, a nightclub in Queens that was alleged 9 years ago to be laundering money made through sales of Laotian heroin. 4
In December 2003, the Port Authority agreed to return all of the $125 million in equity that the consortium headed by Silverstein originally invested to buy the lease on the World Trade Center. The Port Authority rejected a request by the Wall Street Journal to review the transaction. 5 A press report from November 2003 about the same transaction noted that it would allow Silverstein to retain development rights. 6
The lease deal didn't close until July 24th, just 6 weeks before the attack. 7
Insurance Payouts
Don Paul also documented the money flows surrounding the loss of Building 7.
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million. 8
The insurance money flows involved in the destruction of the original six World Trade Center buildings were far greater. Silverstein Properties, the majority owner of WTC 7, also had the majority interest in the original World Trade Center complex. Silverstein hired Willis Group Holdings Ltd. to obtain enough coverage for the complex. Willis undertook "frenetic" negotiations to acquire insurance from 25 carriers. The agreements were only temporary contracts when control of the WTC changed hands on July 24. 9
After the attack, Silverstein Properties commenced litigation against its insurers, claiming it was entitled to twice the insurance policies' value because, according to a spokesman for Mr. Silverstein, "the two hijacked airliners that struck the 110-story twin towers Sept. 11 were separate 'occurrences' for insurance purposes, entitling him to collect twice on $3.6 billion of policies." This was reported in the Bloomberg News less than one month after the attack. 10
The ensuing legal battle between the leaseholders and insurers of the World Trade Center was not about how the 9/11/01 attack on the WTC could be considered two attacks, when the WTC was only destroyed once. Rather it seemed to revolve around whether the beneficiaries thought it was one or two "occurrences." The proceedings before U.S. District Judge John S. Martin involved a number of battles over the insurers' discovery rights regarding conversations about this issue between insurance beneficiaries and their lawyers. 11 12
In December 2004, a jury ruled in favor of the insurance holders' double claim. 13
A Parable
To put these events in perspective, imagine that a person leases an expensive house, and immediately takes out an insurance policy covering the entire value of the house and specifically covering bomb attacks. Six weeks later two bombs go off in the house, separated by an hour. The house burns down, and the lessor immediately sues the insurance company to pay him twice the value of the house, and ultimately wins. The lessor also gets the city to dispose of the wreckage, excavate the site, and help him build a new house on the site.
[url=http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/owners.html ]source[/url]
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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Larry Silverstein is a SUSPECT!
This video --though I NEVER thought I would be on same wavelength as some one who did Reagonomics for Pressy Reagan!---but here we have someone whose identity we can see, who has held top position in government and yet like many of us feel that people are NOT trusting their eyes and sense etc about 9/11. if I have to I will transcript this video. I do not shy away from effort, as my efforts in this thread show. I am all too aware how the power weidlers rely on slective meory, and NOT connecting dots, and I also have this speculation I take seriously and have mentions about it above a few times: I am aware that the elite like to use propaganda to manipulate consciousness. This is a FACT. But what may be even more hidden (though propaganda itself has to be hidden to work, at least it is a KNOWN term. Many people are 'aware' of it)is the very meaning of that term, the occult.
I have already above provided to linked articles about how the occult and secret services have always been linked. NO one commented on that which I find highly relevent information! it makes sense--OCCULT/HIDDEN--SECRET SERVICE/INTELLIGENCE...yes??
So I am surmizing that a lot of the seeming confusion ABOUT 9/11 could also be DUE to the occultism to do with it. yeah, magick!
Anyhow people checkout this video:
YOU Can't Handle the 9/11 Truth: Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Explains.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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No one was questioning what you believe...or at least I wasn't...I was questioning what you perceive...what you see...how you see things...because I do not see them the same way you do...
Believe what you want...no one is telling you not to...
It's just that your chemistry makes you see things that I do not see. I'm not claiming to be right and that you're wrong...but there is no middle ground here between us. You see a circle and I see a square...it does no good to argue with each other because you can't make me see your way and I can't make you see mine.
I hear you, but I see that as a cop-out. It makes you believe that you are missing 'chemicals' or I have 'too many' or 'not enough of the right ones' and then this becomes even MORE absurd.
Look at life. OK, there is someone who is a racist, and his perception is very ugly. He looks at people he hates in a way that is violent etc. Then suddenly some events, or change of life may happen and he sees things differently--It dont have to be racisim, it could be the problems you've had with a frind, your mum, dad, lover---etc. When these changes happen we dont say 'my CHEMICALS changed'---'my dopamine levels have increased/got back to normal'---do you?
No, it is CHANGE--learning, insight. All that other stuff is BS. It is reducing your being to chemicals. I am not saying chemicals aren't involved, but there is more.
People HAVE believed in the official theory of 9/11, and had change of mind. it happened to me. For a very short time I bought the offical crap story line. And I have been through different phases, and am STILL learning. THAT my friend is living and learning. You may feel very differnely about certain parts of life in 10 years than you do now because of experience, for better or worse.
Funny you bring that up. At first I was sucked into all the conspiracies surrounding 9/11, I admit I believed all that bullshit for more than a year, thinking it was as Gov't false flag attack.
But then I started looking at the same shit again and again and realized that I was completely wrong. Sure the official story has a few holes in it. It was a fucking massive disaster, of which we haven't seen since Pearl Harbor. Sure there are going to be some inconsistencies. Hell, if I came to your house tonight and shot you in the head, there would be inconsistencies in the trial.
What I learned is that I was being strung along by bullshit conspiracy theorists and when you look at the whole picture, it's entirely possible and extremely likely that a group of pissed off people completed a plan that was 3/4 successful.
It's really that simple. You don't have to bring all this occult bullshit into it.
I mean fuck, it's pretty god damned simple if you look at it. So simple that our military was caught completely off guard. That's how attacks happen.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
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I feel that you are in denial. I cannot for the life of me understand how people cannot see these patterns.
It is because they really are not there.
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I feel that you are in denial. I cannot for the life of me understand how people cannot see these patterns.
It is because they really are not there.
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I feel that you are in denial. I cannot for the life of me understand how people cannot see these patterns.
It is because they really are not there.
That really is what it comes down to, zzripz. You see all of these numeric connections in something where the rest of us see nothing of the sort. On one hand, you claim you want to focus the discussion on the occult side of things, but your argument for the occult angle ASSUMES an entire interpretation of the events of 9/11 that the rest of us simply do not believe...Then you use the numbers/occult references to prove the assumption that you claim proves the occult connection..
The argument is so circular that none of us can counter it. To you, it is completely self-authenticating. To the rest of us, it is completely unfounded. All of your "facts" are proven by other dubious "facts." Every time someone counters one of your assumptions, you bring in a host of other fallacious ones. It is impossible to keep up with.
In all seriousness, if you really want to get to the numbers and the occult references, you have to start from a blank slate. Arguing occult connection to 9/11 REQUIRES at least a prima facie showing that 9/11 was NOT the product of 19 hijackers crashing planes into buildings. I'm not trying to give you the impossible job of proving a negative, but the occult connection necessarily requires that 9/11 was perpetrated by a secret organization. The apparent facts do not bear that out in any way, so we need a bit more from you in order to get to the point where we can even see a possibility of your theory having merit.
As a start, you'll need more than a regurgitation of the rhetoric from countless 911 conspiracy sites. All of that stuff has been adequately refuted time and again...we need not go over it all in this thread. A good place to start would be to read 911myths.com and the documents on jod911.com.
I suspect that you won't read them...or if you do read them, you'll do so with your mind already thoroughly made up. Many of us have offered very logically sound arguments which you have simply brushed aside, so I don't have a lot of hope that anything will change.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Enlil]
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That really is what it comes down to, zzripz. You see all of these numeric connections in something where the rest of us see nothing of the sort.
The "rest of us"? What you mean, the entire rest of 'us' bar me? Well what kind of strange idea is that? So what you accuse you do. You cling to absurd concepts of everyone must be having to agree with your worldview. You know very well that there DO exist people even at the Shroomery who know exactly what I am pointing to here. They have threads and everything
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On one hand, you claim you want to focus the discussion on the occult side of things, but your argument for the occult angle ASSUMES an entire interpretation of the events of 9/11 that the rest of us simply do not believe...Then you use the numbers/occult references to prove the assumption that you claim proves the occult connection..
yes to your first sentence, the thread's title was emphasizing the occult clues not only surrounding 9/11 but its aftermath, and I have also been eploring earlier events also.
I am not sure what you mean by the occult clues "ASSUMES an entire interpretation of the events of 9/11", I am rather INCLUDING the occultist CLUES along with the more ordinary clues is what I am doing. I have no problem discussing the latter, because I think it is important to include ALl clues-----a reason I recently asked for there to be a pause for a while regarding the ordinaryl clues is because I am aware of those who are attracted to the thread but may hit on pages where no occultism is discussed which can be confusing. I just want to keep it balanced.
And obviously giving examples of occultist numerology, symbolism etc is intending to prove an occult/HIDDEN connection.
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The argument is so circular that none of us can counter it. To you, it is completely self-authenticating. To the rest of us, it is completely unfounded. All of your "facts" are proven by other dubious "facts." Every time someone counters one of your assumptions, you bring in a host of other fallacious ones. It is impossible to keep up with.
But the same can be said about you also. As well as the occultist clues, I have striven to also address challenges concerning the ordinary clues, but often MY efforts are utterly ignored. In our last confrontation I went to GREAt effort to reply to you and you completely ignored my efforts. So please do not point the finger all the time and beware of your own participation and lack of in this investigation.
I am not presenting 'facts'--let us define difference between facts and clues:
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1530s, "action," especially "evil deed," from L. factum "event, occurrence," lit. "thing done," neut. pp. of facere "to do" (see factitious). Usual modern sense of "thing known to be true" appeared 1630s, from notion of "something that has actually occurred." Facts of life "harsh realities" is from 1854; specific sense of "human sexual functions" first recorded 1913.
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1590s, phonetic variant of clew "a ball of thread or yarn," with reference to the one Theseus used as a guide out of the Labyrinth. The purely figurative sense of "that which points the way" is from 1620s.
So see the difference? I choose the definition for CLUE 'that which points the way'. I am presenting clues. Only you are interpreting this investigation as 'circular', whatever you mean by that. Actually I personally have nothing against circlular, cylcic, as life's process is that.
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In all seriousness, if you really want to get to the numbers and the occult references, you have to start from a blank slate. Arguing occult connection to 9/11 REQUIRES at least a prima facie showing that 9/11 was NOT the product of 19 hijackers crashing planes into buildings. I'm not trying to give you the impossible job of proving a negative, but the occult connection necessarily requires that 9/11 was perpetrated by a secret organization. The apparent facts do not bear that out in any way, so we need a bit more from you in order to get to the point where we can even see a possibility of your theory having merit.
You cling to the official absurd story. You cannot possibly look at anything I, and others, show as evidence to the contrary---so I don't really see how then your IDEAS can ever change. What keeps attracting you back in circular fashion to this thread IF you are SO convinced you are right? Is it some kind of 'duty' you feel as a 'sceptic'? To save society from the 'likes of me'? lol
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As a start, you'll need more than a regurgitation of the rhetoric from countless 911 conspiracy sites. All of that stuff has been adequately refuted time and again...we need not go over it all in this thread. A good place to start would be to read 911myths.com and the documents on jod911.com.
No it hasn't! In YOUR worldview it has but not in mine, and not in many other peoples mindse either. Stop trying to impose your worldview please! It is apparent you cannot even have looked at links, and videos etc I have supplied for you nev er make any mention of the POINTS made--you just go on and on that the offical story is proven. No--it--isn't.
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I suspect that you won't read them...or if you do read them, you'll do so with your mind already thoroughly made up. Many of us have offered very logically sound arguments which you have simply brushed aside, so I don't have a lot of hope that anything will change.
Like I say the finger points back at yourself. it was me who had the initiative to start this thread after disvoering NDAA and the date of its signing ny pressy OBAMA both can be calculated using English gematria to beeither 9/11 or 11. This sponatanous found clue inspired my thread. IF you choose to just keep harping on that I need to believe like you without discussing POINTS I share here etc then I will push the ignore button because this is really a waste of my time.
by the way....what happened to your dopamine theory? lol
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You do not KNOW he doesn't give a damn now do you?
You've presented a complex and detailed conspiracy theory that relies on the assumption that you've figured out what's in Larry Silverstein's head. So I point out that you have no idea what's in his head, and your counter is that I don't know what's in his head either?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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You've presented a complex and detailed conspiracy theory that relies on the assumption that you've figured out what's in Larry Silverstein's head. So I point out that you have no idea what's in his head, and your counter is that I don't know what's in his head either?
Can you quote me where I have said what's going on in his head? Not sure what you mean by that.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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You do not KNOW he doesn't give a damn now do you?
You've presented a complex and detailed conspiracy theory that relies on the assumption that you've figured out what's in Larry Silverstein's head. So I point out that you have no idea what's in his head, and your counter is that I don't know what's in his head either?
Lol...I just watched the south park episode on 9/11 conspiracy...when Cartman goes off on his number theory, I loled and thought of this thread.
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You've presented a complex and detailed conspiracy theory that relies on the assumption that you've figured out what's in Larry Silverstein's head. So I point out that you have no idea what's in his head, and your counter is that I don't know what's in his head either?
Can you quote me where I have said what's going on in his head? Not sure what you mean by that.
Sure, fair question, let me lay out my thinking. I was questioning how you knew Silverstein was in on the plot and you said this:
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Finding a motive means nothing unless you have someone to be motivated...who are these people again? You've only made oblique references to Silverstein, but have not said how you think he's involved or done anything to show a link between him and the occult, or even freemasonry - I still see no evidence that this motive isn't being attached to an imaginary group of people...
He is a Zionist, and had 99 (9 x 11year) lease on the WTC Towers of 'Boaz and Jachim', and the Solomon Temple, Salomon Building 7, with its 47 floors = 11, so I am sure he's in the picture about the occult angle alright, yeah.
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and the Solomon Temple, Salomon Building 7, with its 47 floors = 11, so I am sure he's in the picture about the occult angle alright, yeah.
Again, the fact that you see these associations here is absolutely zero proof that Silverstein gives a damn.
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You do not KNOW he doesn't give a damn now do you?
I ask who a group of people are, you tell me Silverstein's involved, I ask for proof that he's in on this conspiracy...and you start talking about the number 47 and the fact that one of the buildings was leased by Salomon Brothers. The only way I can make sense of that response is that you think that it's obvious that Silverstein would believe in numerology and the occult and is motivated by them - thus you assume you know what's going on in his head. I thought that was laid out pretty directly when I gave you my "zero proof that Silverstein gives a damn" rebuttal.
So, back to my original question, since there was miscommunication at some point: how do you know that Silverstein believes in the occult? Or to put it another way, how does the fact that people have called the twin towers Boaz and Jachim prove anything about Larry Silverstein's motivations?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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I think you guys are wasting your time. He's too far gone to be pulled back into the realm of sanity. It's just spinning wheels and wasting time.
Kinda like trying to have a conversation with a 2 year old, isn't it?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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quote]Again, the fact that you see these associations here is absolutely zero proof that Silverstein gives a damn.
You do not KNOW he doesn't give a damn now do you?
You've presented a complex and detailed conspiracy theory that relies on the assumption that you've figured out what's in Larry Silverstein's head. So I point out that you have no idea what's in his head, and your counter is that I don't know what's in his head either?
Yeah, the fallacies and pure nonsense gets tiring. People will come to different conclusions, but when someone continues to make the same illogical points or trots out the same fallacies, it gets old.
Hell, above he responded to the criticism of his argument with "the same can be said about your claims". It appears to be lost on him that he is the one making a positive claim regarding the nature of the world and that he is, therefore, the one with a burdon of proof on that point. Conceeding the point but claiming (rightly or wrongly) that another is just as illogical as you are is not a defense. That someone's criticism is wrong doesn't mean your argument isn't wrong, but conceeding your argument is invalid does.
The cycle of nonsense seems to go something like this:
- Tom Cruise did 9/11, I can tell by the number magic
- >How?
- Tom Cruise likes the number 11 and other symbols, which I found hidden in details regarding the event.
- >Why would they hide numbers/That doesn't make any sense at all.
- Because they're strange and evil, see this blog on the subject
- >How do you know any of the numerology is meaningful, and why how would that show Tom Cruise did 9/11 even if the numbers were meaningful?
- Hey, this is an ongoing investigation. I'm just putting the clues together, I admit I don't know everything yet.
- >I thought you said you knew they did 9/11 and left clues to brag about it?
- Yes, Tom Cruise did do 9/11, I can tell by the numbers (and with that, you go back to the begining and repeat for a perfectly circular, unsupported argument)
At no point does he show the symbols, numbers are any different in this even than any other, that they were meaningfully used to convey a message, and that they occur more often than would be expected (including Benford's law which makes 11 the most common two digit number)
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
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As a psychologist, I could make an assessment...
But would it be allowed?
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As a psychologist, I could make an assessment...
But would it be allowed?
You have my vote.
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As a psychologist, I could make an assessment...
But would it be allowed?
I am interested to see what a professional thinks. I don't think a diagnosis would be considered an insult.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: snoot] 1
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Well then,
The displayed behavior over the course of this thread by the OP has been schizophrenic.
Is he? Dunno... his posts read that way.
What kind of help does he need? Again... dunno.
Is he playing a part?
Is he seeing patterns nobody else can see?
Is he seeing patterns nobody else can see 'cause he is on uppers?
Dunno.
Reading posts is hard but the behavior pattern suggests :troll:
Or rather it suggests a person who is not like the rest of us.
He may be right...
But to engage him is to feed the :insertemoticonhere:
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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I have reported your extremely offensive post, Cervantes, and if you are not dealt with rightly by a moderator, I will choose to ignore you from now on.
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I don't blame you for being offended. Offence is not given it is taken. It is your choice to take offense.
I have watched your behavior in this thread for hundreds of posts and I am making an assessment based on that alone. I have not reached any conclusions.
Commenting on your behavior, as offended as you may be, is allowed. A Shroomery Mod even asked me to do it.
See, over time, your behavior establishes patterns and to those patterns I can assign meaning.
It is much the same as what you do with the whole numerology thing... Except, I have a large thread full of evidence to back my theory (and that is all it is, a theory) up.
You have contributed to this thread on a daily basis for literally months and in all that time you have failed to make your case clear to anybody but yourself. Your behavior is unique even for this forum.
I would hope you choose not to ignore me, but I wouldn't blame you for doing so. My line of reasoning is based on evidence and facts that ALL can see and therefore it probably does not conform with the theories you have put forth in this thread.
I really enjoy your presence, but I can't help but worry about you because, from where I sit, your posts read like a cry for help. Now, if I told you to seek help, that would be against the rules so instead I ask you to read between the lines and consider doing what I haven't said.
*Edit: In hindsight, I regret insinuating that you were trolling and I could have made that point clearer. You may have a case there, but I have been called a troll so many times on this forum, I think it is only fair to be allowed to use the term once in a while myself.
I don't think you are being an intentional troll, but from an outside perspective, your constant dismissal of anybody's ideas to the contrary of your own can seem rather troll-like. You have been posting in this thread for over three months now, and have not conceded a single point to anyone else. That SEEMS trollish to an outside observer because they won't get the satisfaction of having an actual discussion with you about the merits of your posts.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
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I do not care for your explanation whatsoever. The rules should apply to everyone and not just be ignored for those who are against the very subject this thread is about.
I repeat, if I report you and you dont get banned for attacking my PERSON (which I was banned for, and am constantly warned not to do) then this is not fair, I dont care what you think or say about it, and if you dont get a ban I will ignore your rude arse!
If there were no rules which favoured bias I would not give a shit, and you would get as good as given, but that doesn't seem to happen so I am gonna have to do it this way. If you dont understand this, tough.
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I do not care for your explanation whatsoever. The rules should apply to everyone and not just be ignored for those who are against the very subject this thread is about.
I repeat, if I report you and you dont get banned for attacking my PERSON (which I was banned for, and am constantly warned not to do) then this is not fair, I dont care what you think or say about it, and if you dont get a ban I will ignore your rude arse!
If there were no rules which favoured bias I would not give a shit, and you would get as good as given, but that doesn't seem to happen so I am gonna have to do it this way. If you dont understand this, tough.
That's another nail in the coffin. You fail to realize that he is not attacking you personally. He's merely commenting and theorizing on what he's seen written out by you and how you behave towards others that don't respond the way you want them to respond.
There is a difference and that's why he won't be banned.
Now why are you taking things so personally, when you are basically calling everyone that doesn't subscribe to your wild ideas idiots that aren't capable of getting the big picture?
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Hey, this is an ongoing investigation. I'm just putting the clues together, I admit I don't know everything yet.
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early 15c., from O.Fr. investigacion (14c.), from L. investigationem (nom. investigatio) "a searching into, a searching for," noun of action from pp. stem of investigare "to trace out, search after," from in- "in, into" (see in- (2)) vestigare "to track, trace," from vestigium "footprint, track" (see vestige).
CRIME & CLUES ~~ The Art & Science of Criminal Investigation
This Article Originally Appeared in the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, February 1992.
Most crime scenes tell a story. And like most stories, crime scenes have characters, a plot, a beginning, a middle, and hopefully, a conclusion. However, in contrast to authors who lead their readers to a predetermined ending, the final disposition of a crime scene depends on the investigators assigned to the case. The investigators' abilities to analyze the crime scene and to determine the who, what, how, and why govern how the crime scene story unfolds.
To ensure a satisfactory ending, that is, the apprehension and prosecution of the violent crime offender, investigators must realize that the outcome depends on their insight into the dynamics of human behavior. Speech patterns, writing styles, verbal and nonverbal gestures, and other traits and patterns give shape to human behavior. These individual characteristics work in concert to cause each person to act, react, function, or perform in a unique and specific way. This individualistic behavior usually remains consistent, regardless of the activity being performed.
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Conspiracy Theory - 9/11- Pentagon episode tonight *DELETED*
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The reason why 9/11 needs to be re-investigated.
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Air Force Vet Breaks Silence on What Hit Pentagon on 9-11 (August 10th, 2009)
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Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie
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Who thinks 9/11 was a inside job
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9/11 Challenge: Explain the Evidence
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