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 Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15510957 - 12/13/11 01:24 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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We're at the same place as always:
You've been asked repeatedly to provide the numerological procedure used to analyze the source texts. You've refused to indicate what t he procedure is, nor to provide any evidence your manipulations in this post are anything but ad hoc methods you fiddle around with untill you get an answer you like.
This is precisely why a proper scientific analysis uses stated methods and materials: so the method may be examined to see if it is capable of producing the claimed output reliably. In this case, it seems there is no method and you don't even use consistent mathematics, as cervantes and prisoner note: 1+1 is sometimes 11, is sometimes "1 plus 1 together" (whatever that means), and the product of the numeric substititons are either added, multiplied, divided, or listed- apparently all without any rhyme nor reason.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15513815 - 12/14/11 12:46 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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In other words, your math only calculates for YOU.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Cervantes]
#15514075 - 12/14/11 03:37 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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No your just in denial about it. I can see this very clearly indeed. Think about it Flight AA11 crashes into the north tower. I mean...lol I mean if it was branded on your forehead it cant be clearer. It is SO blatant it is fully sad some people refuse to see it and this is most likely their idea of a VERY sick joke! Its why this stuff is often referred to as 'hidden in plain sight'
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15514119 - 12/14/11 04:20 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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I would suggest first see/understand that cults use symbolism
so do countries and companies and while GE has the slogan of 'we bring
good things to life' it doesnt mean they're necromancers
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how would this alleged code allow people to hold power, we already know
that religion upheld power without the use of any silly 2000 year old
secret code, kings became kings because of their involvement with the
church. how would an ancient code do anything that the pope couldnt?
WHY do they have secret meetings? Surely you must know by now that power-freaks love secrecy, being part of an in-crowd, and they will say one thing and do another, and they use propaganda. So why notsecret 'codes'...?
what secret meetings? the bilderberg group? the free masons? all the other secret organizations that arent secrets who's meetings are well known and even publicized, many who's minutes are released for the public to read?
just because the general public isnt invited to my business meetings it
doesnt mean it's a secret meeting, it means it's a private event
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how would the message of this 2000 year old code be of any importance today? what is the message being delivered in this ancient code
because often they look in the wrong places? Allegro looks in the right places. He was a philologist, and had access to ancient script which lelped join dots.
many thousands of people have been given access, many have been published,
hundreds of thousands of people have have read these texts in their
original form many millions more have read them as translated, how is it
that allegro is the only person to have looked in the right place and drawn the conclusions that he did
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/Library/library.html
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As someone who I am assuming is no stranger to psychedelics (??), surely you may understand the significance psychedelics have played throughout human history, so why should the Christian cult be any different? He though more focused on words rather than numbers.
psychedelics usage doesnt give one some mystical insight into anything
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In the KJV doesn't it say 666?
wasnt the bible written and compiled about 1000 years before the king
james version? seems accurate translations were not the church's top
priority in 1611, in fact I dont believe it was even possible at that time
especially when the church was all about controlling the people and the
throne
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15514167 - 12/14/11 05:01 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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zzripz said:
No your just in denial about it. I can see this very clearly indeed. Think about it Flight AA11 crashes into the north tower. I mean...lol I mean if it was branded on your forehead it cant be clearer. It is SO blatant it is fully sad some people refuse to see it and this is most likely their idea of a VERY sick joke! Its why this stuff is often referred to as 'hidden in plain sight'
United Airlines flight 175 crashed into the south tower and United Airlines
Flight 93 crashed into a field in Pa while American Airlines Flight 77
crashed into the pentagon... why is flight 11 the only one of importance?
is it because it happens to have 11 in it's flight designation and therefore
it validates your claim that 11 is some occultist number?
9+3 = 12
1+7+5 = 13
7+7 = 14
so now we have 11,12,13,14... it's a sequence of numbers, what does it mean?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15515634 - 12/14/11 12:27 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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You forgot to add 1+1 for flight 11.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15516705 - 12/14/11 04:16 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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zzripz said:
No your just in denial about it. I can see this very clearly indeed. Think about it Flight AA11 crashes into the north tower. I mean...lol I mean if it was branded on your forehead it cant be clearer. It is SO blatant it is fully sad some people refuse to see it and this is most likely their idea of a VERY sick joke! Its why this stuff is often referred to as 'hidden in plain sight'
United Airlines flight 175 crashed into the south tower and United Airlines
Flight 93 crashed into a field in Pa while American Airlines Flight 77
crashed into the pentagon... why is flight 11 the only one of importance?
is it because it happens to have 11 in it's flight designation and therefore
it validates your claim that 11 is some occultist number?
9+3 = 12
1+7+5 = 13
7+7 = 14
so now we have 11,12,13,14... it's a sequence of numbers, what does it mean?
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why is flight 11 the only one of importance?
Where in this thread have I said that? See how you jump to conclusions, and presume? It IS very prominent, especially on 9/11 when we take even the shape of the twin twoers themselves resembling a number 11.
What you then tend to do is try and ad hoc numerology without being aware of what is being done. And remember twas you who brought this up. OK the numbers of 9/11 are connected with none other than Aleister Crowley!! 11, 77, 93, and 175 (the flight numbers), are numbers directly linked to Aleister Crowley's occult magickal numerology and practicies!
Crowley wrote a book titled Liber 77, and claimed 77 was the septenary, and was 11x7 - a magickal number, and is also a symbol of Capricorn, the Devil in the Tarot cards. In Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible, there are 77 names of the Devil.
93 "is the only number which totally relates to Crowley—within the occult tradition there is no antecedence...The 93 are the Kabbalic numbers of his two primary words in Greek: Thelema (‘will’) and Agape, both equalling 93, and the chief entity he was in contact with was Aiwass (see image onthe left), and in Hebrew Aiwass is also 93. So 77 and 93 are very important gematria-Kabbalah relationships to Crowley".
175 is a number he used to invoke any deity through magickal ritual.
William Ramsey reminds us that the World Trade Centre towers suggested a giant figure 11, and also each of the towers had 110 floors, so ignoring the zero that gives an 11 for each tower,
"and strangely I think the first flight 11 hit round about the 93rd floor. The second flight 175 hit directly on the 77th floor "!
The UK London bombing also happened on what is known on 7/7, and if you do numerology on the entire date of 7th July 2005, you get 7 and seventh month=7, and 2+5= 7 all in all = 777
Why Crowley? He was the self-proclaimed prophet of the 'New Aeon'/Age, and called himself the Beast 666!
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15517005 - 12/14/11 05:11 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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zzripz said:
What you then tend to do is try and ad hoc numerology without being aware of what is being done.
I dont want to hear "this is what is because XXX said so" I want to
understand the process of why some numbers are added and others are
stand alone while more are combined to come up with this crap
I cannot be aware of it until this part is explained
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15517079 - 12/14/11 05:26 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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then you should read some books.
let me put it this way, cyphers and other encoded messages are obviously real encoded messages are handled by secret service, and their creators usually highly protect the methodology because, well, its a secret message between secrative entities.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517415 - 12/14/11 06:30 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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yadayaddayadda, yakity schmakity
can you not explain it?
didnt you read the books, did the books not explain it all to you?
why not explain it to me?
I've read some books but apparently I just havent read the right ones, why
not send me the right books so there's no mistaking that I dont pick up the
wrong books yet again
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517693 - 12/14/11 07:10 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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Shins said:
then you should read some books.
let me put it this way, cyphers and other encoded messages are obviously real encoded messages are handled by secret service, and their creators usually highly protect the methodology because, well, its a secret message between secrative entities.
Since when?
The whole definition of the security of a cryptographic method is often measured by how difficult it is to recover the plaintext given every piece of information but the secret key.
All the commonly used encryption functions are publically known, and many, many, examples demonstrate the folly of relying on secret algortithms: they're often plagued with major weaknesses and are broken within weeks of market adoption (i.e. self-encrypting harddrives/usb keys/ and so forth that use proprietary algorithms).
You should let the NIST and NSA know they made a mistake in certifying the AES algorithm. Apparently they weren't aware that public knowledge of the algorithm would weaken its security.
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Shins said:
then you should read some books.
Great- more personal insults accompanying a post that fails to provide any responsive information.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15517701 - 12/14/11 07:12 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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I dont know exactly how it works, and i suspect there are different systems.
you would need to be a master code breaker and mathmetician to know it all.
the most common numerologic things ive seen involve adding or multiplying individual numbers in a string, or funky things with integers and prime numbers etc.
of course you still need to know the key to what those numbers are supposed to mean.
i want to know the keys toooo...
but if it were common knowledge it would defeat the point of a secret message no?
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: zzripz]
#15517766 - 12/14/11 07:23 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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You just cut and pasted that from a blog.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517825 - 12/14/11 07:36 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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I want to add that numbers can reprisent general concepts too.
to the best of my knowledge 11 reprisents hegelian dialectic, or transformation or synthesis.
kind of like duality resulting in the whole.
sort of like a portal to the future resulting from opposing forces.
or like a battery.
i hope that makes sense, though i may be totally wrong.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517849 - 12/14/11 07:43 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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I dont know exactly how it works, and i suspect there are different systems.
Great, you don't know. Well, neither do I, neither does Cervantes, neither does Pris.
I suspect that the reason none of us know 'how it works' is because it doesn't, but who knows. It sure seems surprisingly difficult to tease the methodlogy from those who do claim to be able to interpret the code- makes me wonder whether they actually can.
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you would need to be a master code breaker and mathmetician to know it all.
That begs the question that there is anything to know, which hasn't bee determined. So far, there's no evidence this crap actually has any discernable hidden meaning.
Further, the question of whether one can "know it all" is an irrelevant aside. The questions here are regarding some code that zzripz claims to be able to parse- whether he can do the same with other code is irrelevant.
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but if it were common knowledge it would defeat the point of a secret message no?
What does it matter? ZZripz himself claims to know the secret and to provide the secret meaning, so this question is irrelevant. All that remains is for him to disclose the method of deriving the plaintext.
I suspect the reason he won't is because there is no method- its just another thing he says but can't back up.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15517929 - 12/14/11 08:00 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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Ps i didnt mean read some books as an insult, i just mean there are lots of books out about the subject and we probably wont get as far with the OP.
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Shins]
#15518925 - 12/15/11 12:29 AM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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as long as I skim over john and pris's posts, this becomes rather informative.
You hear the one about Alistair Crowley being great-grandfather of Barbara Bush? The genealogy of these parasites is revelatory to say the least
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: johnm214]
#15521362 - 12/15/11 02:18 PM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
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Dianne Feinstein (with Paul, Udal, Leahy and others) is introducing a WHOLE new BILL that PLAINLY states that NO AMERICANS will be detained indefinitely without charge or trial by the military..
I believe it is called: "The GUARANTEE of DUE PROCESS Act"
still getting details..
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#15522036 - 12/15/11 04:18 PM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
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Kid_Orgo said:
You just cut and pasted that from a blog.
nice catch... just when I thought he'd moved beyond that sort of shit and
he'd earned some respect for presenting some sort of argument, he's now cast
doubt on everything he says and I'll only know him now as someone that
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Re: New fascist bill the NDAA = 9/11 [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#15522170 - 12/15/11 04:49 PM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
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I never had any doubt on that fact. I don't know if he's ever answered a challenge or question regarding his claims. Usually its just some copy-pasted nonsense from youtube or some conspiracy site mixed in with some insults and claims that everyone is ignorant to the 'secret truth'.
I doubt there's really anything to understand in those works he copy-pastes from. Often they are just a list of bare claims with no backing at all- probably why such claims can never be explained by the copy-paster.
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