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 ifoundwaldo
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 Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441163 - 11/29/11 04:33 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Surprised that no one's said it, but Terence's cause of death is clear...
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 JacksonMetaller
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15441193 - 11/29/11 04:38 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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DMT is not unhealthy anyway what so ever in terms of pharmacology in the body, vaporized DMT in the lungs smoked through a bong for example wont burn your lungs because it's not hot enough, and it's water soluble in your lungs (how the hell do you think it makes it to your brain?) The only way it could be unhealthy is if it's burned by the flame meaning it's no longer DMT but rather by products from being burnt. Do you even know what the benefits of vaporizing are???? You don't get any products from combustion when you vaporize. I'm guessing you haven't taken a chemisty class yet or you would know that.
when you vaporize DMT you often times don't use high end electronic vaporizers so there is often times still a little combustion. besides, you're not vaporizing water here... sure it's a non-toxic drug but you don't know for sure what it does when it lines the inside of your lungs. aren't you still inhaling particulate matter? not saying youre wrong, but you have to consider more than just toxicity and combustion when you talk about inhaling anything into your lungs
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441207 - 11/29/11 04:42 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said:
DMT is not unhealthy anyway what so ever in terms of pharmacology in the body, vaporized DMT in the lungs smoked through a bong for example wont burn your lungs because it's not hot enough, and it's water soluble in your lungs (how the hell do you think it makes it to your brain?) The only way it could be unhealthy is if it's burned by the flame meaning it's no longer DMT but rather by products from being burnt. Do you even know what the benefits of vaporizing are???? You don't get any products from combustion when you vaporize. I'm guessing you haven't taken a chemisty class yet or you would know that.
when you vaporize DMT you often times don't use high end electronic vaporizers so there is often times still a little combustion. besides, you're not vaporizing water here... sure it's a non-toxic drug but you don't know for sure what it does when it lines the inside of your lungs. aren't you still inhaling particulate matter? not saying youre wrong, but you have to consider more than just toxicity and combustion when you talk about inhaling anything into your lungs
Ok but the DECIDING difference is that DMT is water soluble, so if it's in your lungs it doesn't stay there like tar from smoke....
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441234 - 11/29/11 04:46 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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I actually just discussed this with Alex Grey recently.
He was of the opinion that Terence's frequent cell-phone use may have been a contributing factor to his tumor. Bear in mind, these early cellphones were huge and Terence was using them regularly while at his place in Hawaii. Hour + long interviews etc. I was surprised to hear Alex mention this, but after I digested it, it does make a great deal of sense. Alex knew Terence quite well.
Alex then brought up Bill Hicks and his similar fate; we both agreed at my suggestion that they simply flew too close to the Sun.
I believe that Terence was just "unlucky" enough, as was Bill; it was almost like it was "meant" to happen to solidify their legacy as thinkers who pushed the boundaries.
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441241 - 11/29/11 04:48 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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but you have to consider more than just toxicity and combustion when you talk about inhaling anything into your lungs
Ok and what else exactly would you have to consider besides toxity, combustion, PH, and temperature? I'd like to know your answer?
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Edited by deepninja (11/29/11 04:58 PM)
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: BrainFood]
#15441286 - 11/29/11 04:56 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Ya that sounds reasonable. I don't think the orange goo was the cause of his death, you miss read my statement. I implied though that it may have had something to do with it. Again, I never said it was the direct cause. Likely was a culmination of environmental and possibly genetic influences that were not in his favor.. On a different note I'm curios to know who here smokes the deep orange DMT/alkaloid mix after extraction? does anyone believe that it's safe to smoke? Really, does anyone smoke that? It seems that all of you disagree that it's unhealthy so I assume you all smoke it and don't purify your dmt.. A general yes or no; do you think that red/orange spice is safe to smoke?
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Edited by deepninja (11/29/11 05:25 PM)
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Gresh
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15441519 - 11/29/11 05:35 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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deepninja said:
A general yes or no; do you think that red/orange spice is safe to smoke?
yes, its probably a lot healthier than a single dose of mcdonalds or whatever shitty type of food you prefer
Why are you even arguing in an 8 year old thread about things you probably have no clue about, and have been on the forum for under a month?
and then when people explain why you're wrong you back yourself up with semantics 
stop posting in this thread, seriously...
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15441659 - 11/29/11 06:00 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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deepninja said:
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but you have to consider more than just toxicity and combustion when you talk about inhaling anything into your lungs
Ok and what else exactly would you have to consider besides toxity, combustion, PH, and temperature? I'd like to know your answer?
i already made a suggestion of particulate matter. i have a really hard time believing that with any handheld vaporizer you're going to get nothing but 100% pure DMT. even then i can't imagine putting anything other than oxygen into your lungs doesn't have some kind of drawback to it. im not going to lie my lungs were a little achey feeling after smoking DMT a few days in a row. my point wasn't that your logic was wrong, but that you can't really go around claiming things like that without a real test.
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Gresh]
#15442569 - 11/29/11 09:28 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Gresh said:
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deepninja said:
A general yes or no; do you think that red/orange spice is safe to smoke?
yes, its probably a lot healthier than a single dose of mcdonalds or whatever shitty type of food you prefer
Why are you even arguing in an 8 year old thread about things you probably have no clue about, and have been on the forum for under a month?
and then when people explain why you're wrong you back yourself up with semantics
stop posting in this thread, seriously...
probably healthier than a single dose of mcdonalds? Do you know why mcdonalds is unhealthy? ...
I'm trying to make the point that most people on these forums don't think it's a good idea to smoke anything but pure DMT and you come along and argue it with no "facts" of your own. Take your negativity elsewhere, I'm trying to get people to smoke nothing but pure clean DMT and then you come trying to slam that effort. If you decide to make another comment, at least make a positive contribution to someone's well being like I'm trying to do. If not then just go beat your dog more.
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Edited by deepninja (11/29/11 09:42 PM)
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15442583 - 11/29/11 09:33 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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i have a really hard time believing that with any handheld vaporizer you're going to get nothing but 100% pure DMT
Yes yes but it's still very close to pure DMT as I'm sure you're smoking nice white crystals. Do you smoke the orange/red jungle spice? let's hope not
And as far as particle matter, are you referring to small un-vaporized dmt crystals?? those minute DMT particles dissolve in your lungs immediately
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Edited by deepninja (11/29/11 09:56 PM)
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15449710 - 12/01/11 12:44 PM (5 months, 25 days ago) |
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Not sure I remember reading any medical studies about the safety of inhaling DMT vapor recently...
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: BrainFood]
#15455414 - 12/02/11 03:24 PM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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BrainFood said:
Alex then brought up Bill Hicks and his similar fate; we both agreed at my suggestion that they simply flew too close to the Sun.
I brought the subject up with God a while back. He claimed that Terence McKenna was murdered by a self-transforming machine elf from another dimension, but he didn't have any proof yet.
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