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Penn State Molestation Scandal
#15342225 - 11/08/11 09:06 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Incredibly horrifying stuff coming out of Happy Valley. The Athletic Director and another high ranking university official has resigned, Jerry Sandusky's life is over, and Joe Paterno is expected out as early as this week.

And the man in question wasn't some bum quality control coach -- he was Penn State's defensive coordinator and at one time was expected to be Paterno's eventual successor.

8 victims are confirmed with more of course that haven't come forward are suspected.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15342227 - 11/08/11 09:07 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

KNOWN TIMELINE

A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

1969 — Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.

1977 — Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983 — Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987 — Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994 — Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95 — Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96 — Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97 — Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98 — Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998 — Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.

1998 — Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999 — Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999 — Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000 — Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000 — A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002 — A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002 — In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002 — Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002 — Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate) — The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-2006 — Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007 — During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008 — Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

Early 2009 — An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

September 2010 — Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011 — Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011 — Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15342250 - 11/08/11 09:11 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Media outside Paterno's home this morning.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15342271 - 11/08/11 09:14 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

By the way, for those wondering, reason Joe Pa is under fire is because he was allegedly tipped off about Sandusky. Paterno fulfilled his legal obligation by reporting the incident to Penn State higher ups, but he's being reamed morally for not going to authorities or digging deeper into the accusations. Something like 5 kids got molested AFTER Paterno was tipped off.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15342879 - 11/09/11 12:24 AM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Once you report it you've done your job. Unless you're a cop investigating a crime you don't go on a crusade to fuck over someone's life based on something someone tells you. It's not like he saw it himself. There's no reason for Paterno to be fired. He did what he was supposed to do.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15344137 - 11/09/11 09:36 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

Paterno talks to students through his living room window.

I think that everyone blaming Paterno is completely ridiculous. He was running a football program, not a police station. He reported it to who he was supposed to report it to and it was reported to the police. Is it his job to make sure the police are doing their job? The guy is really old and he has a million things to worry about at any given time. People are losing focus on who the real criminals are. :twocents:

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15344685 - 11/09/11 11:52 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

They should keep Paterno as coach until he dies :crankey:

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15344705 - 11/09/11 11:56 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

I agree to a point, but if you're a parent of one of the kids who got raped by Sandusky, would you feel the same way? Paterno is the most visible man on that campus by a million miles. IF (let me emphasize IF again) he knew, or had any inkling of an idea about Sandusky, then all this attention at his feet is justified, because he flat out could have prevented the other rapes.

But of course, it's not just him. It's any and everybody who had an idea who decided to turn their head the other way when it came to that scum bag Sandusky.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15344717 - 11/09/11 11:58 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

BTW, the fallout continues. Now the PRESIDENT of the University will reportedly resign by day's end.

And Paterno announced that he will ride out the season and then retire at the end of the year.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15344863 - 11/09/11 12:43 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

It is very strange to me how slowly the "wheels of justice" have turned on this matter. Especially considering that there were PARENTS who KNEW what was going on. I don't get that at all.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#15345256 - 11/09/11 02:18 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

^Exactly, I don't know why the parents aren't taking any heat.

The president, Graham Spanier, is actually a very nice and intelligent guy. He has done a lot of things to help the university and it seems like he genuinely cares about the students and the university. But unfortunately he did not handle this situation correctly and he is consequently losing his job.

Everything will work out and justice will be served by the end but a lot of damage has been done. Hopefully it does not affect the academic reputation of the university. Anyone who thinks that it should is stupid.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]

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#15345878 - 11/09/11 04:33 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

Fuck all the officials involved. The coach, the athletic director, the Finance & Business VP, and anyone else who knew about a grown man assfucking a little boy and DIDNT tell the police.

And fuck you people who support them.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15346041 - 11/09/11 05:01 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:Unless you're a cop investigating a crime you don't go on a crusade to fuck over someone's life

I was particularly disturbed by this statement. Maybe it just came out wrong. But I think Sandusky fucked his own life over when he decided to make raping 9 year old boys his hobby.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Gairacita]
#15346341 - 11/09/11 05:48 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

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They should keep Paterno as coach until he dies

Hes the only one with any credibility left at Penn State in my opinion :crankey:

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Gairacita]
#15347113 - 11/09/11 08:08 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

Paterno fired.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15347119 - 11/09/11 08:09 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

Chris Fowler (ESPN) reporting that students are gathering by the thousands on campus and on the verge of rioting

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15347352 - 11/09/11 08:52 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

An idea of what the streets look like in Happy Valley right now.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15347952 - 11/09/11 11:39 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

Yep. They were spraying us for no reason. Instead of just taking care of the people that were causing damage. The board of trustees made a completely stupid and disrespectful decision. And that is what this was about. Yes, cars were flipped and windows were smashed. But that was a small percentage. The police were beating down on innocent people that were assembling.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15348318 - 11/10/11 02:39 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:Unless you're a cop investigating a crime you don't go on a crusade to fuck over someone's life

I was particularly disturbed by this statement. Maybe it just came out wrong. But I think Sandusky fucked his own life over when he decided to make raping 9 year old boys his hobby.

But Paterno didn't know that as a fact all he knew was that someone said something.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: meams]
#15348369 - 11/10/11 03:31 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

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Fuck all the officials involved. The coach, the athletic director, the Finance & Business VP, and anyone else who knew about a grown man assfucking a little boy and DIDNT tell the police.

And fuck you people who support them.

yeah, i'm with meams on this one. i'm sorry but the "chain of command" line doesn't work when the issue is 10 year old boys being fucked in a university locker room.

plus, more information is going to come out soon. and it's not going to look good for paterno or people who are apologizing for him right now.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15348411 - 11/10/11 03:55 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:Unless you're a cop investigating a crime you don't go on a crusade to fuck over someone's life

I was particularly disturbed by this statement. Maybe it just came out wrong. But I think Sandusky fucked his own life over when he decided to make raping 9 year old boys his hobby.

But Paterno didn't know that as a fact all he knew was that someone said something.

True, SunRa. But if he had any inkling at all of what Sandusky was up to...and it's possible that Paterno had no idea. That's a possibility. But the more that continues to come out, that possibility seems to be shrinking rapidly.

I'm not saying go on a crusade, but how about digging a little deeper...like maybe trying to find out who that kid was (the one raped in the showers by Sandusky that was witnessed by the grad assistant who reported it to Paterno)? But again, I'm far from just blaming Paterno.

That grad assistant, Mike McQeary or whatever, that fucker is still on the Penn State staff. He actually saw Sandusky in the act, and yeah he reported it to Paterno, but how about going to the police? I mean how do you not in that situation? It blows my mind. He SAW WITH HIS OWN EYES Sandusky raping a 9 year old. WHAT THE FUCK

Or you know what? Forget the police. How about stomping that POS Sandusky? How does one witness that and then walk away from it. Mind boggling.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15348461 - 11/10/11 04:24 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

The whole thing is outrageous. Again I look at the parents, not to blame them or put heat on them but when your kid comes home and tells you he was showering naked with a grown man, how the hell do you rest while that guy is walking around free? There's something about this issue that we are all missing. Joe Paterno is being scapegoated but there is plenty of blame to go around. From the DA to the parents of victims to the police and university president...none of it makes any sense at all. Meanwhile, according to a report I heard this morning, Sandusky is walking around free going about his daily errands. Now you know that isn't going to last but it does show how much of a scapegoat Paterno is becoming where he has tens of reporters camped out on his lawn while the actual perpetrator is strolling around.

This is not to condone Paterno's actions. I'm glad he was fired and think that everybody who turned a blind eye to this issue deserves to lose their job, including that graduate assistant and the DA and everyone else. But I'm trying to reconcile how poorly this situation was handled from the beginning straight through to this morning.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#15348484 - 11/10/11 04:37 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

No doubt, Doobie. It is indeed incredibly bizarre all the way around. Very hard to wrap one's mind around it.

There was an investigation that went nowhere once upon a time, but even still, how do the parents not go public?! You almost wonder if they were paid ungodly amounts of money to keep quiet? But that's almost unfathomable -- because one would think that no amount of money could do that considering it was your child getting molested and/or raped. Threatened maybe? I don't know, man. It really is bizarre.

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#15348494 - 11/10/11 04:44 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

Right now they're parading former Penn State players onto the Mike & Mike show. They just interviewed former PSU LB Paul Posluszny and he said he routinely saw Sandusky with children on campus in all 4 years he was there (03-07).

Sheesh, man. Right now the number is what -- 9 kids? I wouldn't be surprised if the real number triples that.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15348733 - 11/10/11 06:36 AM (6 months, 16 days ago)

1. The trustees have been trying to get rid of Paterno for a long time but they couldn't. See riots.
2. Why the fuck is the asshole who saw Sandusky porking the boy getting a pass? What was JoPa supposed to do that this guy wasn't? JoPa passed hearsay allegations up the line. Why didn't the asshole just go to the cops himself? He is the most guilty, after Sandusky, in this whole affair. He actually saw it.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15348956 - 11/10/11 08:06 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

wow, we actually see eye to eye on something

sad to see Paterno gone :thumbdown:

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15348975 - 11/10/11 08:14 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/20111106-pennstate-document.html

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15348990 - 11/10/11 08:20 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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2. Why the fuck is the asshole who saw Sandusky porking the boy getting a pass? What was JoPa supposed to do that this guy wasn't? JoPa passed hearsay allegations up the line. Why didn't the asshole just go to the cops himself? He is the most guilty, after Sandusky, in this whole affair. He actually saw it.

Pretty sure he's gonna get fired as well. And sure, JoePA isn't at TOTAL fault, he's getting fucked hard by Sandusky too, but come on. He heard allegations, obviously saw him with children, and STILL is friends with the guy. That says something about a person, because if I could out my best friend was fucking young children I'd report his ass in a heartbeat.

And as for the retards at Penn State rioting, including many of my close personal friends, they need to get their heads out of their asses. Any human being who thinks rioting over football and that football is more important than CHILDREN BEING RAPED is a despicable person. The whole organization needs to be revamped, they lost their credibility, but move on from it. Think about the children who have to go through their entire lives remembering being raped by Sandusky. Anyone who was in any way, shape, or form should be questioned and held somewhat responsible. If that includes one of the greatest coaches in any sport ever, then so be it. His legacy will still remain in tact, although it now has a black eye, but no one will forget all he's done.

Also, I blame the NCAA. Someone signs a jersey for a tattoo, and the NCAA shuts down their program and investigates. Coach rapes children, the NCAA watches intently on ESPN and does nothing on the matter to the program or anyone involved. It's a total lack of resposibility. If a coach in ANY professional sports team did ANYTHING like this, that league would be on his ass and investigating so hard, but nope. Not the NCAA.

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#15349021 - 11/10/11 08:30 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

There's something very strange about this issue and the way people react to it. It seems like the further away you are from it the more horrified you are and as you get closer and closer to the people who are directly effected it's less horrifying. As if you have 3 layers. The outermost layer is outraged and horrified, the middle layer is condoning or apathetic and then in the center are the perpetrator and victims. Likewise with the Catholic church.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lsdank268]
#15349027 - 11/10/11 08:31 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

fuck penn state using a fucking legend as a scape goat shame on those fucking assholes and the way they let him go with the letter an call this number bs fucking cowards

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lVlota]
#15350155 - 11/10/11 12:40 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

The thing that bothers me about this, is that I feel like there's a lot of information to come out yet. The trustees acted quite hastily. Perhaps they know something more? As far as I know, they didn't give a reason for why they were firing joepa. And it does, too, bug me that mcquery wasn't fired along with spanier and paterno. He should've been the first to go. Paterno was operating on second hand information, but mcquerry allegedly saw it with his own two eyes.

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#15350525 - 11/10/11 01:49 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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fuck penn state using a fucking legend as a scape goat shame on those fucking assholes and the way they let him go with the letter an call this number bs fucking cowards

i continually see comments like this and it strikes me that you don't grasp the whole situation.

paterno isn't really being scapegoated as far as i can see. so much of the focus has been on him because he is beind defended so much. hate to say it, but it looks like plenty of people are too busy drinking the college football kool-aid to realize the scope and depth of this issue.

him and mcqeary (who definitely deserves to be fired for this as well) are the only ones who survived the initial investigation. the others that knew were indicted on federal charges and clearly had already lost their jobs.

from what i've heard from a friend who has connections at penn state, this is the only beginning. it's going to come out that paterno knew a lot more. it's not going to be pretty. it's especially not going to be pretty for people that have worshiped the guy as god for a long time. coach worship might not be so popular in the future and i can't say that's a bad thing.

now there's some speculation coming out that sandusky was pimping out young boys to rich second mile donors. fucking digusting.

http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: wildchild68]
#15350917 - 11/10/11 03:14 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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from what i've heard from a friend who has connections at penn state, this is the only beginning. it's going to come out that paterno knew a lot more.

I just heard that JoePa was hiding the information he actually knew. According to some sources, he was show photographs of Sandusky molesting the little boys (which they have for the trail), and still didn't do everything in his power to make the sick fuck pay. Friendship goes a long way I guess.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lsdank268]
#15351046 - 11/10/11 03:37 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

This is all speculation and hearsay. ^

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The thing that bothers me about this, is that I feel like there's a lot of information to come out yet. The trustees acted quite hastily. Perhaps they know something more? As far as I know, they didn't give a reason for why they were firing joepa.

Paterno kind of admitted that he knew what was going on yesterday when he released that statement about retiring at the end of the season. He made a comment about praying for the victims which is an acknowledgment that there are victims. Nobody has come out and stood up for Sandusky so there is really no room to doubt that Paterno knew what was happening.

If anything the board was slow to act on this issue. Paterno should have been fired on Monday. Also, it is obvious the other guy needs to be fired too and he will but again the board is very slow to act. It's like they don't realize what a big deal this is.

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#15351206 - 11/10/11 04:03 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

more releases coming out: trading a resignation (by saduz) for a cover-up. his foundation pimpin' out little boys to high-paying donors, etc.

Fucked up shit.

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more releases coming out: trading a resignation (by saduz) for a cover-up. his foundation pimpin' out little boys to high-paying donors, etc.

Fucked up shit.

jesus.

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#15351726 - 11/10/11 05:16 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

dude that grand jury report is fucking disturbing.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lVlota]
#15351822 - 11/10/11 05:33 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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fuck penn state using a fucking legend as a scape goat shame on those fucking assholes and the way they let him go with the letter an call this number bs fucking cowards

LMFAO! Yeah, Paterno's the only scapegoat. You do realize that the fucking University President, VP, and Athletic Director have all been forced out, right? Hell, Ole Joe Pa should just be happy that he's not getting charged like the rest of them.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: wildchild68]
#15351925 - 11/10/11 05:49 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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fuck penn state using a fucking legend as a scape goat shame on those fucking assholes and the way they let him go with the letter an call this number bs fucking cowards

i continually see comments like this and it strikes me that you don't grasp the whole situation.

paterno isn't really being scapegoated as far as i can see. so much of the focus has been on him because he is beind defended so much. hate to say it, but it looks like plenty of people are too busy drinking the college football kool-aid to realize the scope and depth of this issue.

him and mcqeary (who definitely deserves to be fired for this as well) are the only ones who survived the initial investigation. the others that knew were indicted on federal charges and clearly had already lost their jobs.

from what i've heard from a friend who has connections at penn state, this is the only beginning. it's going to come out that paterno knew a lot more. it's not going to be pretty. it's especially not going to be pretty for people that have worshiped the guy as god for a long time. coach worship might not be so popular in the future and i can't say that's a bad thing.

now there's some speculation coming out that sandusky was pimping out young boys to rich second mile donors. fucking digusting.

http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

so if you friend is a killer i mean your best friend someone you love a bond like that and you find out somehow how do you act you cant fucking put yourself in his shoes the university knew people like you would look a joe p like hes a monster too its pathetic really a poor attempt to use a mans legacy to clean up their shit it be like firing phil jackson after kobe rapes a girl i mean yes joe was boys with this scum bag piece of shit motherfucker but is he to blame did he help him out did they run trains i dont fucking think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad2:

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
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fuck penn state using a fucking legend as a scape goat shame on those fucking assholes and the way they let him go with the letter an call this number bs fucking cowards

LMFAO! Yeah, Paterno's the only scapegoat. You do realize that the fucking University President, VP, and Athletic Director have all been forced out, right? Hell, Ole Joe Pa should just be happy that he's not getting charged like the rest of them.

yea but still his name and reputation got ran through the mud dried out then ran through some wet hot steaming pile of shit.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#15352019 - 11/10/11 06:04 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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This is all speculation and hearsay. ^

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The thing that bothers me about this, is that I feel like there's a lot of information to come out yet. The trustees acted quite hastily. Perhaps they know something more? As far as I know, they didn't give a reason for why they were firing joepa.

Paterno kind of admitted that he knew what was going on yesterday when he released that statement about retiring at the end of the season. He made a comment about praying for the victims which is an acknowledgment that there are victims. Nobody has come out and stood up for Sandusky so there is really no room to doubt that Paterno knew what was happening.

If anything the board was slow to act on this issue. Paterno should have been fired on Monday. Also, it is obvious the other guy needs to be fired too and he will but again the board is very slow to act. It's like they don't realize what a big deal this is.

the other guy know one knows that guy that's why there slow its like a magic trick they say look here in this hand while there putting the object in there pocket with the other hand its a classic tactic that worked for the most part

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#15352211 - 11/10/11 06:33 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

You made absolutely no sense at all :crankey:

i am pissed that they shitcanned Paterno :gaycrankey:

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#15352579 - 11/10/11 07:46 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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it be like firing phil jackson after kobe rapes a girl i mean yes joe was boys with this scum bag piece of shit motherfucker but is he to blame did he help him out did they run trains i dont fucking think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok if Kobe was raping MORE than one girl over YEARS, and Jackson had knowledge of this then YES I WOULD FIRE HIS ASS! I think your not grasping the entire situation here man. Stop thinking about JoePa, who is going to have one of the greatest legacies in sports regardless of what happened and who was 87 fucking years old so his time is coming close to ending anyway, and start thinking about THE CHILDREN WHO WERE RAPED! This scandal is NOT about JoePa, it's about the CHILDREN BEING RAPED (I feel the need to capitalize that every time for you so maybe you'll understand it). If you can't grasp that than your a horrible human being.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lVlota]
#15352674 - 11/10/11 08:04 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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fuck penn state using a fucking legend as a scape goat shame on those fucking assholes and the way they let him go with the letter an call this number bs fucking cowards

i continually see comments like this and it strikes me that you don't grasp the whole situation.

paterno isn't really being scapegoated as far as i can see. so much of the focus has been on him because he is beind defended so much. hate to say it, but it looks like plenty of people are too busy drinking the college football kool-aid to realize the scope and depth of this issue.

him and mcqeary (who definitely deserves to be fired for this as well) are the only ones who survived the initial investigation. the others that knew were indicted on federal charges and clearly had already lost their jobs.

from what i've heard from a friend who has connections at penn state, this is the only beginning. it's going to come out that paterno knew a lot more. it's not going to be pretty. it's especially not going to be pretty for people that have worshiped the guy as god for a long time. coach worship might not be so popular in the future and i can't say that's a bad thing.

now there's some speculation coming out that sandusky was pimping out young boys to rich second mile donors. fucking digusting.

http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

so if you friend is a killer i mean your best friend someone you love a bond like that and you find out somehow how do you act you cant fucking put yourself in his shoes the university knew people like you would look a joe p like hes a monster too its pathetic really a poor attempt to use a mans legacy to clean up their shit it be like firing phil jackson after kobe rapes a girl i mean yes joe was boys with this scum bag piece of shit motherfucker but is he to blame did he help him out did they run trains i dont fucking think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woah, chill out and start using punctuation.

if i found out my friend murdered someone for anything other than the most solid reasoning ever, then yes, i would report him. however not even the most convincing intentions behind child rape would keep me from reporting my best friend for raping little boys.

no one is saying it's strictly his fault that little boys were being raped, but he is certainly guilty of covering it up.

it's only going to get worse for you when more information comes out.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: wildchild68]
#15352718 - 11/10/11 08:15 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

FACT: McQueary reported it to Paterno that a naked Jerry Sandusky was in the showers with a nine year old boy.

He reported it to the AD. Fine. I get that. But after nothing is done, don't you absolutely have to go above and beyond? You have to. No fucking question about it. And then to top it off, after said incident, that piece of gutter scum Sandusky was still strolling around campus with children in PLAIN VIEW.

Paterno may be only one of many who deserves what they're getting, but absolutely yes, the firing of him was just.

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#15353615 - 11/10/11 11:56 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

I just googled the grand jury report and tried skimming through it. Fucking disgusting; you'll want to throw up afterwards.

I hope that bitch Sandusky gets raped repeatedly in prison and then killed. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put him in with the general population.

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#15353656 - 11/11/11 12:08 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

People like him generally do not have a good time in prison. He will die there. Some of the rumors are really horrible and I hope they are not true. And I stand by the idea that Paterno isn't really all there because of his age and other reasons so it sucks to see him take a fall in this situation. I also think it shouldn't be focused on. And I'm saddened that people are now equating everyone at Penn State to what they see or hear from the media.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lsdank268]
#15353843 - 11/11/11 01:16 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

The children weren't all raped.

Some recieved blow jobs from Jerry Sandusky. Others received handjobs in bed, spooning with a boner, and forceably 6-9 positioned.

One of the graduate assistants heard a loud repetitive slapping sound coming from the showers. He walks in to see Jerry Sandusky repeatedly anally penetrating a 11 year old boy.

Another time a Janitor walked in on Jerry Sandusky naked in the shower, pinning a boy against the wall and foceably sucking his dick.

Another time while in bed, Sandusky forced a boy to 6-9 with him, and grined his dick into the boy's face until he ejaculated.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15354075 - 11/11/11 03:33 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:Unless you're a cop investigating a crime you don't go on a crusade to fuck over someone's life

I was particularly disturbed by this statement. Maybe it just came out wrong. But I think Sandusky fucked his own life over when he decided to make raping 9 year old boys his hobby.

But Paterno didn't know that as a fact all he knew was that someone said something.

Absolutely not true.

You need to read the grand jury report.

McQuery told Paterno, the next day, at his house, exactly what he saw.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Madtowntripper]
#15354173 - 11/11/11 04:39 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:Unless you're a cop investigating a crime you don't go on a crusade to fuck over someone's life

I was particularly disturbed by this statement. Maybe it just came out wrong. But I think Sandusky fucked his own life over when he decided to make raping 9 year old boys his hobby.

But Paterno didn't know that as a fact all he knew was that someone said something.

Absolutely not true.

You need to read the grand jury report.

McQuery told Paterno, the next day, at his house, exactly what he saw.

McQueary might have also said some things about your mother but that doesn't mean that JoePa knew for sure it was factual. McQueary saw it, he should have reported it to the police. Paterno just heard McQueary make a claim and he did the right thing reporting it to his superiors at work. You don't sic the cops on people just because someone said this or that. If it wasn't true just the allegation would have been very damning for Sandusky. It wasn't JoePa's place to ruin that guy's life based on something he just heard.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Madtowntripper]
#15354184 - 11/11/11 04:44 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Yeah come on...If you hear some reports like that you don't just go and tell a higher up and that's it. You go and you follow through, you make sure what you heard isn't bullshit, you find out what your higher ups have done to bring that clown to justice. I feel like JoePa didn't care enough, he just told one person and said "Hey, I said something, your problem now".

If that was me, I would inquire on what was being done, if there was any truth to the matter and so forth. JoePa didn't do everything in his power to have the situation resolved.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15354185 - 11/11/11 04:44 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

There's no doubt that McQueary is infinitely times more to blame for Sandusky continuing his reign than Paterno.

McQueary actually saw it with his own eyes.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lsdank268]
#15354272 - 11/11/11 05:43 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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Yeah come on...If you hear some reports like that you don't just go and tell a higher up and that's it. You go and you follow through, you make sure what you heard isn't bullshit, you find out what your higher ups have done to bring that clown to justice. I feel like JoePa didn't care enough, he just told one person and said "Hey, I said something, your problem now".

If that was me, I would inquire on what was being done, if there was any truth to the matter and so forth. JoePa didn't do everything in his power to have the situation resolved.

Yup. And this is why he was fired so unceremoniously. And rightfully so.

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If that was me, I would inquire on what was being done, if there was any truth to the matter and so forth. JoePa didn't do everything in his power to have the situation resolved.

I've been hearing this "If it was me..." argument a lot and, in reality, nobody knows for sure what they would do if it were them. Things change when it really is you in that scenario. Shit gets real. And none of you probably ever will know what its like. I also haven't seen a report with the specific details of what McQuery told Paterno. Going by Paterno's word, he said he was told of some sexual misconduct, but the details were nowhere near as graphic as what was in the grand jury report. Further, he was getting second-hand information, which he rightfully passed on to his superior. He probably should have done more, and he admitted that in hindsight, but all these people acting like it's black and white are oversimplifying the situation. All the facts aren't even out yet. There are so many holes in the story right now. Maybe paterno knew a lot more and maybe he didn't. Nobody knows right now. Innocent until proven guilty. As for people saying he's not being scapgoated, I've heard paterno's name in the news with regards to the sex scandal probably 20 times more than I heard sandusky's. I think he's definitely being dragged through the mud and being used for damage control at this point. What the board of trustee's should have done, was to put him on administrative leave and take him off the sidelines until more information came out with regards to the case (like after they did the investigation they ordered). They also should've put McQuery on the chopping block immediately. He was the eyewittness.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: pothead_bob]
#15354288 - 11/11/11 05:58 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Good points also, bob. This is an extremely complex case/story. To the millionth degree.

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#15354295 - 11/11/11 06:03 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

And his name (Paterno's) has indeed been mentioned 4-5 times for every mention of Sandusky's, but that kind of comes with the territory when you are the face of the University. Fair? No, but certainly not a surprise.

That said, I also think that nobody is mentioning Sandusky anymore because he's already done. Finished. His story has been written. Now the focus shifts to all the other players in this situation -- to see exactly how much they knew and why they didn't take extra steps to prevent the numerous other Sandusky encounters.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15354401 - 11/11/11 07:00 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

I just read that McQueary won't be coaching on Saturday, but not because of a university decision. It's due to multiple threats he received. People are pissed, but the university hasn't said anything about firing him. In fact, he might actually be PROTECTED for being a "whistleblower". What a load of horseshit that is.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: pothead_bob]
#15354448 - 11/11/11 07:14 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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If that was me, I would inquire on what was being done, if there was any truth to the matter and so forth. JoePa didn't do everything in his power to have the situation resolved.

I've been hearing this "If it was me..." argument a lot and, in reality, nobody knows for sure what they would do if it were them. Things change when it really is you in that scenario. Shit gets real. And none of you probably ever will know what its like. I also haven't seen a report with the specific details of what McQuery told Paterno. Going by Paterno's word, he said he was told of some sexual misconduct, but the details were nowhere near as graphic as what was in the grand jury report. Further, he was getting second-hand information, which he rightfully passed on to his superior. He probably should have done more, and he admitted that in hindsight, but all these people acting like it's black and white are oversimplifying the situation. All the facts aren't even out yet. There are so many holes in the story right now. Maybe paterno knew a lot more and maybe he didn't. Nobody knows right now. Innocent until proven guilty. As for people saying he's not being scapgoated, I've heard paterno's name in the news with regards to the sex scandal probably 20 times more than I heard sandusky's. I think he's definitely being dragged through the mud and being used for damage control at this point. What the board of trustee's should have done, was to put him on administrative leave and take him off the sidelines until more information came out with regards to the case (like after they did the investigation they ordered). They also should've put McQuery on the chopping block immediately. He was the eyewittness.

I agree with that 100%. Good post.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15355195 - 11/11/11 10:39 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

this article puts it in clear terms

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15355216 - 11/11/11 10:43 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

on the first or second page I posted the full 23 page Grand Jury report. It's a must read for people who are following this case

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15355289 - 11/11/11 11:00 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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on the first or second page I posted the full 23 page Grand Jury report. It's a must read for people who are following this case

Damn. Reading that makes me think that they may want to consider giving Penn State football a permanent death penalty. I still maintain though, that as for Paterno, he did what he was supposed to do.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15355332 - 11/11/11 11:14 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Yeaaaaaa, that report makes it look much worse than the media has so far

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15355606 - 11/11/11 12:14 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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I just read that McQueary won't be coaching on Saturday, but not because of a university decision. It's due to multiple threats he received. People are pissed, but the university hasn't said anything about firing him. In fact, he might actually be PROTECTED for being a "whistleblower". What a load of horseshit that is.

they're keeping him for a reason. he'll talk if they let him go.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: wildchild68]
#15355633 - 11/11/11 12:20 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

No, he's protected under the law.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15355707 - 11/11/11 12:32 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

I dont understand how you witness an old man penetrating a 10yo boy and not go to the cops about it. :facepalm:

Especially an old man who runs a charity group for young boys.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15355710 - 11/11/11 12:32 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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No, he's protected under the law.

How?

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15355720 - 11/11/11 12:33 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

I was just seeing it on ESPN. Has something to do with him being the one who initially reported the incident. In all honesty I didnt stop and read the entire article.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15355836 - 11/11/11 12:58 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

What about the Clery Law? States that all and every crime a college has reported and/or has been made aware of must be announced to the student body and made public. It also states that if you are made aware of a crime as an active member of faculity, you are REQUIRED BY LAW to report your findings to the police. if JoePa wasn't JoePa, I'd say he'd be in a bit of trouble. I'm not sure how Mcquery is getting away with it either.

Also, I think Penn State is fucked. Their football program is one of the few reason people go there, along with being a huge party school, both which go hand in hand. They are going to end up losing recruits, losing prospective students, end up shutting down a few regional schools they have, and end up falling off being a huge school.

Any and all people (especially football players!) who wanted to go to Penn State are welcome to come to Temple though :bigjoint:

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15355846 - 11/11/11 12:59 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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I was just seeing it on ESPN. Has something to do with him being the one who initially reported the incident. In all honesty I didnt stop and read the entire article.

Except he didn't report it.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15355867 - 11/11/11 01:04 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7219659/penn-state-assistant-coach-whistleblower-protection-reporting-sandusky-alleged-incident

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15355974 - 11/11/11 01:22 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

How does that apply to him and not Paterno?

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15355991 - 11/11/11 01:26 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

You are asking the wrong person. I dont believe it should have.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15356611 - 11/11/11 03:39 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

At first, I wanted to support JoePa but the more I think about it the more I realize I can't. Oh well, at least I crack jokes at Penn State's expense. Go Big Red! Do it for the children!!!

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#15356766 - 11/11/11 04:14 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Like,

At least we know why no tight ends ever came out of Penn State

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15356775 - 11/11/11 04:16 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

lol

that's good

did you just come up with that?

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15356785 - 11/11/11 04:20 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

no, I had it written on a note card and was waiting to generically apply it to the next school with a sex abuse scandal.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15356833 - 11/11/11 04:32 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Lol

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#15357202 - 11/11/11 05:43 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

After reading all of this the only thing i can say is "SAY IT AINT SO JOE" :sad:

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#15357271 - 11/11/11 05:56 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

hah ,I love this state..

Hey kids there's big ben..

There's Parliament..

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#15357528 - 11/11/11 06:48 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Bens lucky hes still in the nfl :crankey:

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#15359182 - 11/12/11 06:31 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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fuck penn state using a fucking legend as a scape goat shame on those fucking assholes and the way they let him go with the letter an call this number bs fucking cowards

i continually see comments like this and it strikes me that you don't grasp the whole situation.

paterno isn't really being scapegoated as far as i can see. so much of the focus has been on him because he is beind defended so much. hate to say it, but it looks like plenty of people are too busy drinking the college football kool-aid to realize the scope and depth of this issue.

him and mcqeary (who definitely deserves to be fired for this as well) are the only ones who survived the initial investigation. the others that knew were indicted on federal charges and clearly had already lost their jobs.

from what i've heard from a friend who has connections at penn state, this is the only beginning. it's going to come out that paterno knew a lot more. it's not going to be pretty. it's especially not going to be pretty for people that have worshiped the guy as god for a long time. coach worship might not be so popular in the future and i can't say that's a bad thing.

now there's some speculation coming out that sandusky was pimping out young boys to rich second mile donors. fucking digusting.

http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

so if you friend is a killer i mean your best friend someone you love a bond like that and you find out somehow how do you act you cant fucking put yourself in his shoes the university knew people like you would look a joe p like hes a monster too its pathetic really a poor attempt to use a mans legacy to clean up their shit it be like firing phil jackson after kobe rapes a girl i mean yes joe was boys with this scum bag piece of shit motherfucker but is he to blame did he help him out did they run trains i dont fucking think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woah, chill out and start using punctuation.

if i found out my friend murdered someone for anything other than the most solid reasoning ever, then yes, i would report him. however not even the most convincing intentions behind child rape would keep me from reporting my best friend for raping little boys.

no one is saying it's strictly his fault that little boys were being raped, but he is certainly guilty of covering it up.

it's only going to get worse for you when more information comes out.

CHILL-lax bro dont get butt-hurt this is a terrible thing but im just saying the school doesn't have to fuck over the guy that made them millions and had 0 to do with this i have empathy for those boys but im very mad at the fact that a good man is being pulled down with this horrible shit and the guy mcquery who saw the man assaulting one of the boys still has his job WTF is that ohh and you dont know what you would do let me rephrase my shit if someone told you you friend rapes little boys would you take his word for it..dont fucking pretend youll do the right thing guy because you dont know what you will do so do us a favour and stop bullshitting yourself...oh and forgot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!there just for you :chillpill:

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#15359575 - 11/12/11 08:37 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

I hope you aren't a student at Penn State because otherwise they really should have fired the head of the English department.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lsdank268]
#15359894 - 11/12/11 10:07 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

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Also, I think Penn State is fucked. Their football program is one of the few reason people go there, along with being a huge party school, both which go hand in hand. They are going to end up losing recruits, losing prospective students, end up shutting down a few regional schools they have, and end up falling off being a huge school.

Penn State is a great school academically. It is huge on research and just built a state of the art research facility for materials sciences and life sciences. A new biobehavioral health research facility is being built for next year. Penn State has one of the best materials science programs in the nation, a great business program and many other nationally ranked academic programs. Plus it has one of the largest alumni networks and a fantastic rate of employment for graduates. Plus we have the largest student run philanthropy, THON which raised $9,563,016.09 for children with cancer and their families. In addition to that there's the Hershey Medical center. Here are some more rankings: http://www.psu.edu/ur/rankings/. Football and being a "party school" are definitely not the only reason to come here. I sincerely hope that opinion is not held by the majority of people.

I have been worried that the scandal will end up overshadowing all of the positives of Penn State. The media and the public in general are viewing the student body and the University as a whole in a very negative light as of late due to the actions of a few.

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#15359990 - 11/12/11 10:29 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

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I hope you aren't a student at Penn State because otherwise they really should have fired the head of the English department.

no shit

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#15360112 - 11/12/11 10:58 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

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Also, I think Penn State is fucked. Their football program is one of the few reason people go there, along with being a huge party school, both which go hand in hand. They are going to end up losing recruits, losing prospective students, end up shutting down a few regional schools they have, and end up falling off being a huge school.

Penn State is a great school academically. It is huge on research and just built a state of the art research facility for materials sciences and life sciences. A new biobehavioral health research facility is being built for next year. Penn State has one of the best materials science programs in the nation, a great business program and many other nationally ranked academic programs. Plus it has one of the largest alumni networks and a fantastic rate of employment for graduates. Plus we have the largest student run philanthropy, THON which raised $9,563,016.09 for children with cancer and their families. In addition to that there's the Hershey Medical center. Here are some more rankings: http://www.psu.edu/ur/rankings/. Football and being a "party school" are definitely not the only reason to come here. I sincerely hope that opinion is not held by the majority of people.

I have been worried that the scandal will end up overshadowing all of the positives of Penn State. The media and the public in general are viewing the student body and the University as a whole in a very negative light as of late due to the actions of a few.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't knocking Penn State at all and saying those were the only draws. It's just for MOST people, those are two of the largest draws. Most kids in college don't give a shit about academia (unfortunately it shows in all schools) and focus on the social aspect of colleges, and there will definitely be a huge drop in attendance next year including their renowned football program. They will still fill up roster spots, but the quality of players is going to drastically fall, and the endorsements that the school uses are gonna go down the drain. but hey, maybe without all the football hoopla Penn State can start focusing more on those academic qualities instead.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: JoieDeVivre]
#15360419 - 11/12/11 12:12 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

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Also, I think Penn State is fucked. Their football program is one of the few reason people go there, along with being a huge party school, both which go hand in hand. They are going to end up losing recruits, losing prospective students, end up shutting down a few regional schools they have, and end up falling off being a huge school.

Penn State is a great school academically. It is huge on research and just built a state of the art research facility for materials sciences and life sciences. A new biobehavioral health research facility is being built for next year. Penn State has one of the best materials science programs in the nation, a great business program and many other nationally ranked academic programs. Plus it has one of the largest alumni networks and a fantastic rate of employment for graduates. Plus we have the largest student run philanthropy, THON which raised $9,563,016.09 for children with cancer and their families. In addition to that there's the Hershey Medical center. Here are some more rankings: http://www.psu.edu/ur/rankings/. Football and being a "party school" are definitely not the only reason to come here. I sincerely hope that opinion is not held by the majority of people.

I have been worried that the scandal will end up overshadowing all of the positives of Penn State. The media and the public in general are viewing the student body and the University as a whole in a very negative light as of late due to the actions of a few.

It's going to take longer than you'll live to live this down though. When they see Penn State on your resume this scandal will be the first thought in their heads. If I were a senior in high school there's no fucking way I would go to Penn State. And their football recruiting is DEAD. At best it's a laughing stock and at worst...you know, fucking little boys in the ass and covering it up. People just don't go in for that.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lsdank268]
#15360515 - 11/12/11 12:36 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

Most people? I don't think so. I definitely didn't come here for football or parties. I came here because they have one of the best MatSE departments in the country... Most of the people that come here solely for parties drop out after their freshman or sophomore year because they realize you can't major in football or partying. Penn State has been focusing on their academic qualities. All of the hardworking professors, researchers, and students (the ones that aren't flipping vans) don't deserve this negative attention. You can think whatever you'd like about Penn State academics but I know that my degree will be very valuable and Penn State consistently ranks within the top 5 universities for student job placement after college.

SunRa, you are clueless. Anyone that thinks that this scandal harms the academic integrity of the university is an idiot and I sure as hell wouldn't work for them. The academics of the school are in no way tied in with this. I wouldn't want to go to any other university for materials science and engineering.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15360565 - 11/12/11 12:45 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

Whatever. It's still going to be the first thing anyone thinks about when they hear the words Penn State. I got a clue about that.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#15360604 - 11/12/11 12:55 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

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Whatever. It's still going to be the first thing anyone thinks about when they hear the words Penn State. I got a clue about that.

That's true.

I was going to try and argue against you but I just think I would be wrong. I think anyone who hears Penn State the first thing in their head for at least the next 5 years is going to be the sex scandal unfortunately.

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#15360636 - 11/12/11 01:01 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

As I said, if I walk into a job interview and they undermine my education at one of the top universities for my field because of an administrative scandal... Then they don't deserve me working there.

I highly doubt that it will be the first thing that many employers will think of... Maybe football fans and parents of high school seniors though. I'm sure that my school will lose A LOT of money in donations and rightfully so. But I don't really care about how the athletics are doing all that much anyway. And that is what a lot of those donations contribute to.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15360660 - 11/12/11 01:05 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

I dont think anyone is attacking the academic integrity, at least I wasnt. I was speaking only from a football standpoint.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15360783 - 11/12/11 01:32 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

Just a random thought comes to mind

imagine how fucked up the psyche must be of those boys. Some of them are our age now or older...

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#15361111 - 11/12/11 02:52 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

That's a random thought?

McQueary saw a guy porking a young boy in the shower. There is not any scenario, including if he was President of the United States of America, in which I don't beat Sandusky's fucking brains into oblivion if I am able. And McQueary certainly had the physical wherewithall to do so.

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#15361474 - 11/12/11 04:30 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

I wonder if they are gonna put him away from the general population?

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Gairacita]
#15362177 - 11/12/11 07:46 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

I have a strange sense that he is going to try to kill himself before he is put away. He did say "I want to die" or whatever.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15362429 - 11/12/11 08:54 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

I just can't believe the guy was out walking around town the other day like nothing happened.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15362514 - 11/12/11 09:14 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

A lot of people thought the same thing, but I think he would have done it by now.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: lVlota]
#15362543 - 11/12/11 09:21 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

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lVlota said:CHILL-lax bro dont get butt-hurt this is a terrible thing but im just saying the school doesn't have to fuck over the guy that made them millions and had 0 to do with this i have empathy for those boys but im very mad at the fact that a good man is being pulled down with this horrible shit and the guy mcquery who saw the man assaulting one of the boys still has his job WTF is that ohh and you dont know what you would do let me rephrase my shit if someone told you you friend rapes little boys would you take his word for it..dont fucking pretend youll do the right thing guy because you dont know what you will do so do us a favour and stop bullshitting yourself...oh and forgot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!there just for you

Dude. I know this is just the shroomery and not English class, but for fuck's sake man.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15365328 - 11/13/11 02:24 PM (6 months, 12 days ago)

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That's a random thought?

McQueary saw a guy porking a young boy in the shower. There is not any scenario, including if he was President of the United States of America, in which I don't beat Sandusky's fucking brains into oblivion if I am able. And McQueary certainly had the physical wherewithall to do so.

LOL I wish i never read the Gradn Jury report...so disturbing.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: CatWrangler69]
#15365337 - 11/13/11 02:26 PM (6 months, 12 days ago)

I know right.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15371143 - 11/14/11 07:20 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Sandusky's defense attorney literally said that Sandusky and the kid in the shower incident were "just having a good time."

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15371200 - 11/14/11 07:29 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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Sandusky's defense attorney literally said that Sandusky and the kid in the shower incident were "just having a good time."

If he somehow gets away with it, that's the new "If the glove don't fit, you can't acquit."

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15371207 - 11/14/11 07:30 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

The pause that Sandusky had before answering Costas' question about being sexually attracted to little boys or not was undeniable.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15371219 - 11/14/11 07:31 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

link?

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: KillerPicklez]
#15371303 - 11/14/11 07:43 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

I saw it on NBC tonight. There should be a link up on Youtube shortly.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15373135 - 11/15/11 04:54 AM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Seriously just fucking disturbing. Costas did about as well as he could. I can't believe Sandusky gave this interview.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Madtowntripper]
#15373202 - 11/15/11 05:29 AM (6 months, 11 days ago)

That cocksucker (poor choice of words perhaps) is a goner. He'll commit suicide soon. You can hear it in his voice.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15373430 - 11/15/11 08:00 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

If he does kill himself that will be just fine with me :crankey:

Hes guilty as sin

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Madtowntripper]
#15374366 - 11/15/11 12:18 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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Seriously just fucking disturbing. Costas did about as well as he could. I can't believe Sandusky gave this interview.

yeah, this didn't really help him look any better. the whole thing is just getting weirder and weirder.

and his lawyer apparently married some chick when he was 49 and she was like 16/17, to add to the weirdness.

not to mention that it's been released now that the judge that let sandusky off with no paid bail is a donor to second mile.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Gairacita]
#15374943 - 11/15/11 04:16 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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If he does kill himself that will be just fine with me
Hes guilty as sin

No doubt, but I'd rather him locked up in a tiny cell for the rest of his natural life so he can dwell on what got him there. And hopefully they'll let his ass out in general pop once in a while.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15375315 - 11/15/11 05:13 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

*slap slap slap slap slap* in the shower

that mental image will never leave my head. But i'm obviously trying hard.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: CatWrangler69]
#15375364 - 11/15/11 05:19 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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*slap slap slap slap slap* in the shower

that mental image will never leave my head. But i'm obviously trying hard.

Yah, can't believe Costas said that on television.

I read it in the grand jury thingamajig, but to say it on tv.

Geez.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Madtowntripper]
#15375398 - 11/15/11 05:25 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

Yeah why the FUCK did he mention it on TV.

It's so fucked up, fucking news media just attention whoring by flattery.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: The_Aviator]
#15375718 - 11/15/11 06:06 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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Sandusky's defense attorney literally said that Sandusky and the kid in the shower incident were "just having a good time."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-s-lawyer-joe-amendola-a-16-year-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873

I think Sandusky is going for the incompetent counsel defense.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Niffla]
#15376736 - 11/15/11 08:51 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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That cocksucker (poor choice of words perhaps) is a goner. He'll commit suicide soon. You can hear it in his voice.

I agree. He sounds tapped out.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15377016 - 11/15/11 10:05 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I remember hearing about that.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: CatWrangler69]
#15377482 - 11/16/11 12:29 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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*slap slap slap slap slap* in the shower

OMG his ass is beyond fuckked..
his best bet is suicide at this conjuncture :crankey:

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Gairacita]
#15378697 - 11/16/11 09:37 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

To add yet another twist to this story, McQueary said he did stop the rape he witnessed, and did tell police about it. Perhaps there is some merit to why he hasn't been fired. There just isn't enough information on this yet to start passing judgment on people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/email-from-mcqueary-surfaces-describing-his-response-to-alleged-sandusky-attack-on-child/2011/11/16/gIQAXBbKQN_story.html

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: pothead_bob]
#15380038 - 11/16/11 02:57 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

If he told the police then why would Paterno be fired? Arrest the police for doing nothing. McQueary is a lying shit.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15380988 - 11/16/11 06:22 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Paterno sold his portion of his ownership of his home (which he previously had shared with his wife) to his wife for $1 (and love and affection) this past summer.

Why? Nobody can say. But it certainly comes in handy in the case of potential future civil suits, 'eh?

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: zappaisgod]
#15382667 - 11/17/11 04:32 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Beats me zappa, I'm only relaying the info. I guess only time will tell at this point. But it does seem odd to me that the university didnt fire Mcqueary if he truly did nothing. Especially considering the heat they've been getting over him. As for paterno selling his house for a dollar, his house was only appraised at like $500k, which pales in comparison to his annual salary, so Im not convinced that has anything to do with this. He lives in an incredibly modest home considering the bank he brought in. It doesnt stick out as something special in his suburban neighborhood.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: pothead_bob]
#15387865 - 11/18/11 09:05 AM (6 months, 7 days ago)

It is interesting, that's for sure.

I once had a schmuck client who wanted us to move his house on his lot and build another new one on the now legal subdivision. Certain disputes arose and we did some research on his title. It turned out that he and his wife had performed a series of quitclaims over the years, passing the property back and forth between themselves at least six times. I never did find out why they did that.

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Gairacita]
#15716852 - 01/25/12 03:06 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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They should keep Paterno as coach until he dies

RIP Joe Paterno :sad:

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Re: Penn State Molestation Scandal [Re: Gairacita]
#15716925 - 01/25/12 03:17 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

RIP

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