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EvilMushroom666
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Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page

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#15329243 - 11/05/11 10:24 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

As many of you know the Shroomery's main page is littered with incorrect,
outdated and terrible information and advice from years passed when the
community and its members did not know as much about cultivating mushrooms. A group of
generous Shroomerites and myself in the past have spent a few weeks going
through the main page and deleted and edited a LOT of articles to try and get
rid of a lot of the misconceptions that are spread around constantly.

Here is what I am suggesting.

If you come across outdated, terrible, or wrong information on any page
on the sites main page please post the link here with the offending
information. I will try to spend some time each day (when I do have extra time) to
edit/delete or remove the terrible information that is constantly being
spread and repeated in the hopes to help out those who are new from screwing
up their experiments or passing along terrible information.

PLEASE limit your posts in this thread to adding links to outdated and bad
information so I do not have to weed through banter or off topic discussions
to find and edit/delete the offending articles. Any other TC's that want to
help out are more then welcome.

EDIT: I just spent the last 45 minutes editing,deleting and moving articles
from the main pages and I remember why this project came to a halt. The
work is tedious and often TEKS will have a lot of good solid information
and then turn into garbage as it goes. Because of this sorting through
teks and articles can take a long time as you have to carefully read
what is being passed along.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15329428 - 11/05/11 11:32 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

I almost made the mistake of using this horrible tek and have seen others do the same. Not sure if it's outdated or not, but it sucks. Cheers :toast:

http://www.shroomery.org/8687/Shroom-Wizards-Grow-Guide

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Shroom_Goon]
#15329433 - 11/05/11 11:35 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

I got about this far:

"If some of these spores get into your culture jars they can easily kill your young plants. "

Moved to the trash.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15329668 - 11/06/11 12:49 AM (6 months, 20 days ago)

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: 13shrooms]
#15330076 - 11/06/11 04:31 AM (6 months, 20 days ago)

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: mister]
#15330143 - 11/06/11 06:12 AM (6 months, 20 days ago)

Thanks. I'm sure everyone here appreciates what you are doing for this community. Hopefully once its all done everyone here will be doing things the correct way. Keep up the good work!

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: CircleofFifths]
#15330261 - 11/06/11 07:17 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

so i tried to go through to see some bad info to pick out.

got through everything that looks like it was already fixed.

and then i got high...

maybe we should list what is already considered "done and fixed"

and then we can slowly work through it as a group. :thumbup:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15330568 - 11/06/11 09:03 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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k00laid said:
so i tried to go through to see some bad info to pick out.

got through everything that looks like it was already fixed.

and then i got high...

maybe we should list what is already considered "done and fixed"

and then we can slowly work through it as a group.

If I remember correctly we already cleaned the Getting started section. I'll try to find some time and clean other sections but I can't guarantee anything. I still have CSM editor powers so if you want to join EM, send me a PM and I'll give you CSM editor powers :wizard:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15330579 - 11/06/11 09:06 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Don't mean to jumble the thread, although I am new I can spot some relatively easy misinformation. I would be glad to offer my help. I became a Sponsor because all of you guys who have been around are great and this is one way other then being a supporter I can offer my help. Together we can get this Forum into tip top shape. :thumbup:

My Apologies EvilMushroom666,
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: DynGBreeD]
#15330870 - 11/06/11 11:24 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

I didn't talk to EM yet but I am pretty sure everyone who has a few grows under his belt can help in spotting misinformation. Post your findings here :thumbup:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15330995 - 11/06/11 11:44 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

I've read it 3 times and I'm still not quite sure why you would want to build this:
http://www.shroomery.org/9046/Making-a-HEPA-Case-for-your-Air-Pump

This one is now missing pictures and would seem to me to be less effective than a regular SGFC:
http://www.shroomery.org/10934/DrofRocks-Hyrbid-Terrarium-Tek

Empty sections:
http://www.shroomery.org/11335/Cloning
http://www.shroomery.org/11365/Incubation

This one could really screw up lazy noobs that don't want to steam sterilize cakes:
http://www.shroomery.org/5251/Can-I-sterilize-PF-jars-in-my-microwave
and this one
http://www.shroomery.org/5252/Can-I-sterilize-PF-jars-in-the-oven

Link to deleted tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/5253/What-is-the-oven-tek

Crappy GLC tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/61/Mycelium-Inoculation-Technique

Bad info:
http://www.shroomery.org/5277/There-is-white-fuzzy-stuff-growing-on-the-stipes-of-my-mushrooms

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: pqueue]
#15331263 - 11/06/11 12:36 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Great job

I moved everything to the trash. Come on people, help EM to clean this site up :sherlock:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15331344 - 11/06/11 01:01 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Here's a pretty bad one...

http://www.shroomery.org/8424/Ramsey-Vermiculite-Seal

advocates putting a layer of tinfoil between verm barrier and brf mix, using only one large inoculation/GE hole, using a crockpot for sterilization of jars, and eating spent cakes :eek:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15331373 - 11/06/11 01:09 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Since we are going through and deleting bad information, is there any reason we shouldn't repopulate the pages with good, time tested teks? We could use some of the links from this thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14517875#14517875

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: MOPE]
#15331374 - 11/06/11 01:09 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

This is the Archive, a section where originally we put all the old/outadated info. There is a big disclaimer on top of the page. You want to go through all the other sections.
Scary stuff though :picard:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15331384 - 11/06/11 01:10 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

I think some of the info in the "Your favorite and most informative links" thread should be linked into the rest of the site like this one is:

http://www.shroomery.org/11330/Psilocybe-cubensis-Strain-Information

Starting with this one to replace that shitty GLC tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6817701/an/0/page/0

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: pqueue]
#15331403 - 11/06/11 01:15 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Yes but first we need to delete all the bad/outdated info, then we can add new teks. Also I am pretty sure we already have a link to Cervantes' thread in the Getting started section.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15331479 - 11/06/11 01:31 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

I'll be helping on this project in my free time as well.
Great idea EM.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15331523 - 11/06/11 01:41 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Strain misinformation:
http://www.shroomery.org/8492/Is-it-possible-to-cross-2-strains

This one hurts my head:
http://www.shroomery.org/8772/What-are-hydroponic-mushrooms

talks about growing spores from vendors, using unsoaked grain ("Now with more *Endospores*!"), h202 soaked cardboard:
http://www.shroomery.org/10553/The-Rundown-pt-2

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15331533 - 11/06/11 01:43 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Quote:

LeopardMan said:
Yes but first we need to delete all the bad/outdated info, then we can add new teks. Also I am pretty sure we already have a link to Cervantes' thread in the Getting started section.

I was using it as an example link to the forums from the main site.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: pqueue]
#15331543 - 11/06/11 01:46 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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pqueue said:
This one hurts my head:
http://www.shroomery.org/8772/What-are-hydroponic-mushrooms

this one needs no fixing.

its a link searchable for hydroponic mushrooms that explains hydroponic mushrooms arent for real.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15331570 - 11/06/11 01:54 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Quote:

k00laid said:
Quote:

pqueue said:
This one hurts my head:
http://www.shroomery.org/8772/What-are-hydroponic-mushrooms

this one needs no fixing.

its a link searchable for hydroponic mushrooms that explains hydroponic mushrooms arent for real.

+1

I'll move to the trash the last one instead. The first one about crossing strains should be edited or replaced IMO (I'll wait for EM and see what he says).

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15331658 - 11/06/11 02:10 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Thanks for starting this thread. It's a sticky now. :thumbup:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15331682 - 11/06/11 02:14 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

So anyone can add a Tek? Should we make it so only a mod can, and it has to be submitted and reviewed beforehand? That way we never have to do this again?

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15331696 - 11/06/11 02:15 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Quote:

k00laid said:
Quote:

pqueue said:
This one hurts my head:
http://www.shroomery.org/8772/What-are-hydroponic-mushrooms

this one needs no fixing.

its a link searchable for hydroponic mushrooms that explains hydroponic mushrooms arent for real.

I've never heard of anyone calling indoor mushrooms hydroponic but I see the point of keeping it around if people do. I didn't realize it was common for them to be referred to that way. Everyone I know would laugh at someone calling herb hydro just because it was grown indoors, never mind shrooms. :shrug:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: pqueue]
#15331760 - 11/06/11 02:29 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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I didn't realize it was common for them to be referred to that way.

its not really, but we can pretend it is so they dont get embarrassed, while we politely correct them

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15331767 - 11/06/11 02:30 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Quote:

pqueue said:
This one hurts my head:
http://www.shroomery.org/8772/What-are-hydroponic-mushrooms

Mine too. Moved to trash.
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: pqueue]
#15331804 - 11/06/11 02:37 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

"bulk neglect tek" completely full of bad information.
http://www.shroomery.org/8388/Bulk-Neglect-Report

GB teks w/ attached gloves, extra holes for GE :wtf:

Flaming inside the GB.

http://www.shroomery.org/9457/Ghetto-Chamber-Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/10524/Glovebox-Construction-and-Design
http://www.shroomery.org/10698/1st-Glovebox

Clean room outta a bathroom. No gloves mentioned, no SAB used..
http://www.shroomery.org/8425/Groverz-Guide

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15331834 - 11/06/11 02:41 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Thanks TL. I moved everything to the trash.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15331857 - 11/06/11 02:46 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

I'll be back at it tomorrow.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15331870 - 11/06/11 02:48 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

All the good info is in the comments:
http://www.shroomery.org/41/Perlite-Too-Much-Humidity

WTF is this doing here:
http://www.shroomery.org/11110/Vicks-UV-Sterilizing-Humidifier

Standing water w/perlite, putting cakes directly on perlite:
http://www.shroomery.org/40/Perlite-Humidification-Tips
http://www.shroomery.org/45/More-Perlite-Success

Standing water:
http://www.shroomery.org/44/Perlite-Success

I think my head will explode if I don't find something else to do today. I see why this hadn't been done before...

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: pqueue]
#15331901 - 11/06/11 02:56 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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pqueue said:
All the good info is in the comments:
http://www.shroomery.org/41/Perlite-Too-Much-Humidity

WTF is this doing here:
http://www.shroomery.org/11110/Vicks-UV-Sterilizing-Humidifier

Standing water w/perlite, putting cakes directly on perlite:
http://www.shroomery.org/40/Perlite-Humidification-Tips
http://www.shroomery.org/45/More-Perlite-Success

Standing water:
http://www.shroomery.org/44/Perlite-Success

I think my head will explode if I don't find something else to do today. I see why this hadn't been done before...

Thank you for your help :thumbup:

I moved them to the trash. Five shrooms for you (edit: I've already rated you :wink:

Edited by LeopardMan (11/06/11 02:57 PM)

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: pqueue]
#15331903 - 11/06/11 02:56 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

For those of you deleting or moving this shit to the trash, wipe out the text and replace it with the word TRASH or INACCURATE INFO DELETED, etc., please. It seems that following the old links automatically takes you to the trash bin where the nonsense can still be read and screw up people's grows if they don't notice.

Also, make sure the box that says "leave a copy in original location" is NOT checked.
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15331912 - 11/06/11 02:58 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
For those of you deleting or moving this shit to the trash, wipe out the text and replace it with the word TRASH please. It seems that following the old links automatically takes you to the trash bin where the nonsense can still be read and screw up people's grows if they don't notice.
RR

Ok thanks RR :thumbup:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15331956 - 11/06/11 03:10 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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Ok thanks RR

Thanks for helping out.

Oh, and welcome to the TC group.
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15331997 - 11/06/11 03:19 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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Oh, and welcome to the TC group.
RR

I've learned everything I know about mushroom from you sir :hatsoff:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15334605 - 11/07/11 05:34 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

I think I've heard RR debunk this one.
http://www.shroomery.org/5282/How-can-I-tell-bruising-from-mold

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15334706 - 11/07/11 06:12 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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LeopardMan said:
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Oh, and welcome to the TC group.
RR

I've learned everything I know about mushroom from you sir

Congrats on the TC LM!

My internet was down all yesterday so I just got back on. Thanks everyone
for taking intiative and starting the project, I am back around so will
have an eye out for anyone posting links of terrible outdated and old
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15334722 - 11/07/11 06:18 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

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LeopardMan said:
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Oh, and welcome to the TC group.
RR

I've learned everything I know about mushroom from you sir

Congrats on the TC LM!

My internet was down all yesterday so I just got back on. Thanks everyone
for taking intiative and starting the project, I am back around so will
have an eye out for anyone posting links of terrible outdated and old
information.

Thanks EM

This thread is a great idea :congrats:

Like I said before, we need more CSM editors though.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15334864 - 11/07/11 07:13 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/39/Perlite-Humidification-FAQ
"The grow chamber should be fairly well sealed and shouldn't have any holes in it"

http://www.shroomery.org/5236/Is-misting-a-casing-going-to-cause-pins-to-abort
"Try not to mist the bigger mushrooms directly since this can cause mushroom rot."

http://www.shroomery.org/5224/How-should-I-prepare-the-casing-layer
"A pasteurization can be achieved by filling the moist material into a suitable microwave container with a cover and microwaved for 10 minutes at high and stirring it a few times during the microwaving to achieve an uniform heat distribution."

Edited by Kizzle (11/07/11 08:11 AM)

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Kizzle]
#15335251 - 11/07/11 08:55 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Trashed, Trashed, and Trashed, Thanks for adding those links.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15335305 - 11/07/11 09:11 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

thank goodness this is getting done.

you guys rock

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15335553 - 11/07/11 10:16 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/8439/The-Quart-Jar-Way-Revisited
no mention of any kind of air holes for the jars
involves removing the lid to inoculate in open air
incubation temp as 68°F-89°F
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Kizzle]
#15335584 - 11/07/11 10:22 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

yea. Lots of bad sterile technique & information in this.
Confusingly written & not properly explained.
http://www.shroomery.org/67/Poor-Mans-Mycelium-Syringe-Tek

Needs to just be replaced w/ Agar's GLC tek. :twocents:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15335634 - 11/07/11 10:31 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/8495/How-much-and-when-do-I-water
This one just seems pointless
http://www.shroomery.org/8497/When-will-I-see-a-flush-and-how-much
Almost as pointless

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15335646 - 11/07/11 10:33 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Quote:

TranscendingLife said:
yea. Lots of bad sterile technique & information in this.
Confusingly written & not properly explained.
http://www.shroomery.org/67/Poor-Mans-Mycelium-Syringe-Tek

Needs to just be replaced w/ Agar's GLC tek.

I have moved this to the archived and outdated information page. I have
dis-agreed with this TEK since I read over it years ago.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15335673 - 11/07/11 10:38 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
Quote:

TranscendingLife said:
yea. Lots of bad sterile technique & information in this.
Confusingly written & not properly explained.
http://www.shroomery.org/67/Poor-Mans-Mycelium-Syringe-Tek

Needs to just be replaced w/ Agar's GLC tek.

I have moved this to the archived and outdated information page. I have
dis-agreed with this TEK since I read over it years ago.

cake to cake mycelium water syringes DO indeed work.

its the same concept as GLC.

now the above writeup does suck dick.

and woa, i feel wicked deja vu right now.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15335689 - 11/07/11 10:40 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

It is not the best way to go about things, and I personally have tried it
years ago with some oyster cakes. I ended up with contaminated syringes
and then contaminated cakes. It can work on occasion for people, but I
personally think there are better ways to go about it.

I moved it instead of deleting it for the reason that some people have had
success with the method, but due to the poor write up and chances of the
TEK not working it should not be on the main pages IMO.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15335697 - 11/07/11 10:43 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

i think it has everything to do with the dry verm layer.

i use silicone and polyfil even on my brf lids.

but this is offtopic

thanks for moving not deleting <3

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Kizzle]
#15336188 - 11/07/11 12:26 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Kizzle said:
http://www.shroomery.org/5224/How-should-I-prepare-the-casing-layer
"A pasteurization can be achieved by filling the moist material into a suitable microwave container with a cover and microwaved for 10 minutes at high and stirring it a few times during the microwaving to achieve an uniform heat distribution."

What is wrong with this? I have done it myself a countless number of times, and if you search you will see that for example Anno, Blue Helix and Workman has done it too with success (although I don't know whether or not they do it now).

In any case, unless you case with vermiculite or something similar, the casing should be pasteurized or sterilized.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Pinback]
#15336219 - 11/07/11 12:33 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Microwaving substrate for pasteurization or sterilization while it may
work for some is not an accepted standard or an ideal procedure.

Also microwaving will more then likely sterilize your substrate as how exactly do you control
the temperature?

This is the problem with a venture like this, at times people have
different opinions on different matters. However in my opinion microwaves
and ovens are used to reheat and cook food and have no place in mycology.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Pinback]
#15336264 - 11/07/11 12:42 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Pinback said:
Quote:

Kizzle said:
http://www.shroomery.org/5224/How-should-I-prepare-the-casing-layer
"A pasteurization can be achieved by filling the moist material into a suitable microwave container with a cover and microwaved for 10 minutes at high and stirring it a few times during the microwaving to achieve an uniform heat distribution."

What is wrong with this? I have done it myself a countless number of times, and if you search you will see that for example Anno, Blue Helix and Workman has done it too with success (although I don't know whether or not they do it now).

Times have changed sir. Sorry but we can't discuss every single article. There is a huge amount of work to be done. In my opinion ovens and microwaves are good for making cakes and cookies.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15336785 - 11/07/11 02:47 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

microwaves = not for myco work of anykind when there are better more accurate methods available. :super:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: 13shrooms]
#15337141 - 11/07/11 04:10 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Take a microwave and use it to pop that popcorn you've heard makes great grain spawn.
Use rye winter rye berries or wild birdseed as primary grain spawn selections.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
#15338085 - 11/07/11 07:42 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Microwaves 'can' work, but mainly because people using them are generally only growing P cubensis, which will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc. In other words, it's hard to fuck up a cube grow. I don't know of anyone growing the harder-to-grow edibles using microwaves.

The idea with pasteurization is to allow some of the bacteria to survive, keeping the substrate 'alive'. This actually helps to prevent mold spores from germinating and growing, but established mycelial cultures such as our grain spawn will colonize it easily.

The other thing about microwaves, is the filth left over from pizza, sandwiches, etc.
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15338786 - 11/07/11 10:21 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
Microwaving substrate for pasteurization or sterilization while it may
work for some is not an accepted standard or an ideal procedure.

Also microwaving will more then likely sterilize your substrate as how exactly do you control
the temperature?

This is the problem with a venture like this, at times people have
different opinions on different matters. However in my opinion microwaves
and ovens are used to reheat and cook food and have no place in mycology.

The page described how one can prepare a casing mixture, not substrate.

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
The other thing about microwaves, is the filth left over from pizza, sandwiches, etc.

Nothing in my kitchen is particularly filthy. I clean it from time to time. :smirk:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Pinback]
#15338800 - 11/07/11 10:24 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

not to say it doesnt/wont work its just that are are better more proven methods for noobs to start with and learn correctly as to not discourage them on their 1st attempt or from the 1st time using this site. :smirk:

its an update is all, the info isnt going away forever. :thumbup:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: 13shrooms]
#15338828 - 11/07/11 10:31 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

I would love to help out but it seems pointless to just post here as there is way to many things on the home page/mc for any one person to handle.
I will do the work if one of the mods gives me the ok.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: CH HELL]
#15339480 - 11/08/11 05:13 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Hi CH. You are right. That's why we are already discussing "alternative" strategies for improving the main page. Like I said before we should consider putting everything (except the getting started section) into a temporary archive and rebuild the main page by adding only proven teks. Then people can go through the archive and tell us if there is something really important that we should edit/restore. This way we will clean the main page in maybe a week or so. EM already PMed Ythan about this. But at this moment looks like only EM and I (and mods of course) can edit, move or delete articles in the main page.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Pinback]
#15339485 - 11/08/11 05:17 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Pinback said:

The page described how one can prepare a casing mixture, not substrate.

Sorry for the typo. Either way a casing mix should be pasteurized not
sterilized, and like my earlier point how exactly do you keep the temps
within pasteurization ranges with a microwave? Either way its a moot point.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15340034 - 11/08/11 09:02 AM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
Microwaves 'can' work, but mainly because people using them are generally only growing P cubensis, which will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc. In other words, it's hard to fuck up a cube grow. I don't know of anyone growing the harder-to-grow edibles using microwaves.

The idea with pasteurization is to allow some of the bacteria to survive, keeping the substrate 'alive'. This actually helps to prevent mold spores from germinating and growing, but established mycelial cultures such as our grain spawn will colonize it easily.

The other thing about microwaves, is the filth left over from pizza, sandwiches, etc.
RR

"Night of the Living Substrate".

This thread has too many "Trusted Cultivators" in it. j/k :rimshot:

Good work and gook luck on all participating members for your efforts on this one and, thanks.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
#15340066 - 11/08/11 09:16 AM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Good initiative guys. Im certainly very happy the the mods are actively involved in this matter. One idea i would certainly like to see. The best grow logs. Monotub pictorials and the works. Often they are immensely insightful, instead of just a document for each step. So could it be an idea to put the best grow logs up in a separate section.

Like faht's bulk tub, or agar's GLC tek und so forth.

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#15340709 - 11/08/11 12:17 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Wouldn't it be easier to scrap all of the teks and articles and just start fresh with current proven teks? It would be easier than slowly going through each page and looking for bad info. I'm on my phone now but when I get in front of a computer i'll do my part to find some bad teks.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15340788 - 11/08/11 12:32 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Quote:

LeopardMan said:
Hi CH. You are right. That's why we are already discussing "alternative" strategies for improving the main page. Like I said before we should consider putting everything (except the getting started section) into a temporary archive and rebuild the main page by adding only proven teks. Then people can go through the archive and tell us if there is something really important that we should edit/restore. This way we will clean the main page in maybe a week or so. EM already PMed Ythan about this. But at this moment looks like only EM and I (and mods of course) can edit, move or delete articles in the main page.

I have sent a support ticket in regards to nuking most of the main page
and have yet to hear back from anyone. If RR or anyone who can whisper
in the admins ears reads this could you please make a thread in regards to
this issue in the moderator/admin forums?

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15344727 - 11/09/11 12:01 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

I hate to say it but Roadkill'sCasing with coirTek should be done away with since even RR has said that coir overlays bad as a casing because of the nutes in it.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: mister]
#15344840 - 11/09/11 12:39 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

Casing (or whatever you want to call it) with coir gives really nice results with cubensis, as has been shown many, many times. It was quite popular around the time of that thread. In my mind that is a valid tek for giving a good crop, although the reason behind it may or may not be true.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Pinback]
#15345876 - 11/09/11 04:32 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

Agreed. Coir was used as a 'casing' but in reality, it served as a bulk substrate with the spawn on the bottom. It's mostly a semantic difference in the words we use to describe it.

I don't want to us get anal about only 'my' interpretation being legitimate, so any tek which can give consistent results should stay in place.
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15347482 - 11/09/11 09:20 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/10476/Cybers-Drying-mushrooms-FAQ

Typo in description, "The 10 most common questions I have see about drying mushrooms."
-- 'see' should be 'seen'

"The 10 most common questions I have seen about drying mushrooms."

Also the faq is riddled with typos :frown:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15348904 - 11/10/11 07:37 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
I have sent a support ticket in regards to nuking most of the main page
and have yet to hear back from anyone. If RR or anyone who can whisper
in the admins ears reads this could you please make a thread in regards to this issue in the moderator/admin forums?

EM, looks like we don't have much support from the admins, do we? :lol:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15351834 - 11/10/11 05:34 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

No reply to the ticket, was assigned to Wiccan_Seeker :shrug:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15356016 - 11/11/11 01:29 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Outdated information:
Coir is good for use as a casing layer.

Offending links:
http://www.shroomery.org/search.php?terms=casing+coir

It's effect on the community is one of confusion and disorientation for new members.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15355898/gonew/1#UNREAD

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15356095 - 11/11/11 01:48 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

soooooooo.............
im gona be straight forward and say that even i have said this the wrong way so has rr and evilmushroom as everyone else who has ever posted about a mushrooms veil

i noticed that the veil does not tear from the mushroom, but more like the mushroom and cap continue to grow an the CAP tears from the veil not the veil tearing away :grin:

im a stickler :respect:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15357432 - 11/11/11 06:31 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Any reply on that ticket yet? I don't want to waste my time if its all just going to get nuked.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: pqueue]
#15357525 - 11/11/11 06:47 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Just got a reply from Ythan about the ticket yesterday, I have been busy
working at a new job so sorry for the delay in posting what is going on.

At the moment the main issues on the plate of the Shroomery admins and
"higher ups" is to upgrade the server to be able to deal with the performance
problems with the site. This is the main focus at the moment and Ythan is
not sure how soon it will be when he can get around to making the necessary
changes to the main page to allow us to start again or re-vamp everything.

He has suggested creating a mock up of the new main page and he will submit
it to the staff and if everyone is on board he will try to get things
implemented ASAP after the server upgrade.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15357638 - 11/11/11 07:20 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

I really think we should delete the entire mushroom cultivation section of the main page. The forum should be the only go-to place for information on cultivation.

Removing it entirely will better protect the shroomery from the claim that this site exists purely to encourage and support the cultivation of magic mushrooms. Although the search function of the forum is shunned by noobs, it might have the benefit of being shunned by any organization that we wouldn't want looking at us too close (DEA, etc.). Search adds a layer of obfuscation to the site that may be helpful in keeping us out of trouble.

Further, all posts on the forum are authored by specific people who are responsible for the content of their posts seperate from the responsibility the site as a whole has. The site and it's hosts can be much more easily held responsible for the content of the main site than they can for the content of posts made by third parties on the forum.

Also, any section of the main site on cultivation will inevitably become outdated over time, while the forums will always be comparatively accurate and up to date.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: nooneman]
#15357738 - 11/11/11 07:50 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
I really think we should delete the entire mushroom cultivation section of the main page. The forum should be the only go-to place for information on cultivation.

Removing it entirely will better protect the shroomery from the claim that this site exists purely to encourage and support the cultivation of magic mushrooms. Although the search function of the forum is shunned by noobs, it might have the benefit of being shunned by any organization that we wouldn't want looking at us too close (DEA, etc.). Search adds a layer of obfuscation to the site that may be helpful in keeping us out of trouble.

Further, all posts on the forum are authored by specific people who are responsible for the content of their posts seperate from the responsibility the site as a whole has. The site and it's hosts can be much more easily held responsible for the content of the main site than they can for the content of posts made by third parties on the forum.

Also, any section of the main site on cultivation will inevitably become outdated over time, while the forums will always be comparatively accurate and up to date.

If something bad was going to happen, it would have happened already. Not only that but possession of information isn't a crime; just look at T/PiHKAL: those books have specific synthesis instructions for just about every psychedelic known to man. Not everyone that posts here is in the US either, there are plenty of members posting about their perfectly legal psychedelic mushroom grows (nevermind edibles). Making info harder to find would also cause even more stupid noob posts creating yet *more* noise. While I agree that large chunks of the main site have outlived their usefulness (if they ever had any), I believe a more constructive replacement is called for, even if it is just a list of links to relevant posts in the forums.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: nooneman]
#15357750 - 11/11/11 07:55 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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I really think we should delete the entire mushroom cultivation section of the main page. The forum should be the only go-to place for information on cultivation.

Removing it entirely will better protect the shroomery from the claim that this site exists purely to encourage and support the cultivation of magic mushrooms. Although the search function of the forum is shunned by noobs, it might have the benefit of being shunned by any organization that we wouldn't want looking at us too close (DEA, etc.). Search adds a layer of obfuscation to the site that may be helpful in keeping us out of trouble.

Further, all posts on the forum are authored by specific people who are responsible for the content of their posts seperate from the responsibility the site as a whole has. The site and it's hosts can be much more easily held responsible for the content of the main site than they can for the content of posts made by third parties on the forum.

Also, any section of the main site on cultivation will inevitably become outdated over time, while the forums will always be comparatively accurate and up to date.

the internet isnt subject to silly american laws.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15357789 - 11/11/11 08:05 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

k00laid said:
Quote:

nooneman said:
I really think we should delete the entire mushroom cultivation section of the main page. The forum should be the only go-to place for information on cultivation.

Removing it entirely will better protect the shroomery from the claim that this site exists purely to encourage and support the cultivation of magic mushrooms. Although the search function of the forum is shunned by noobs, it might have the benefit of being shunned by any organization that we wouldn't want looking at us too close (DEA, etc.). Search adds a layer of obfuscation to the site that may be helpful in keeping us out of trouble.

Further, all posts on the forum are authored by specific people who are responsible for the content of their posts seperate from the responsibility the site as a whole has. The site and it's hosts can be much more easily held responsible for the content of the main site than they can for the content of posts made by third parties on the forum.

Also, any section of the main site on cultivation will inevitably become outdated over time, while the forums will always be comparatively accurate and up to date.

the internet isnt subject to silly american laws.

No, but servers in America sure as fuck are. And last time I checked, most countries have anti-drug laws.

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#15357794 - 11/11/11 08:06 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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No, but servers in America sure as fuck are..

supreme court says

IP address is not a person.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15357802 - 11/11/11 08:08 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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k00laid said:
Quote:

nooneman said:
No, but servers in America sure as fuck are..

supreme court says

IP address is not a person.

That doesn't mean you can't shut down a website in the US. Websites in the US doing illegal things get shut down all the time. See: child porn.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: nooneman]
#15357809 - 11/11/11 08:09 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

first amendment dude :shrug:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15357816 - 11/11/11 08:10 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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first amendment dude

The first ammendment doesn't cover a LOT of stuff. Examples: threatening people, yelling fire in a theature/crowded building, encouraging violence, and encouraging or aiding the production of a schedule 1 drug.

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#15357832 - 11/11/11 08:15 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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and encouraging or aiding the production of a schedule 1 drug.

:pssssssshhhh:

i never read that, and im pretty sure ive read all the fine print.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: nooneman]

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#15359072 - 11/12/11 05:02 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Nooneman: Please get back on topic. If you want to discuss this issue further
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15360128 - 11/12/11 11:02 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/8677/Hips-Bulk-Tek

"Tie the bag closed, bake at 250° F for 45 min. Allow to cool in the oven until safe to touch. Stick the now cooled oven bag inside another, larger bag, ziplock and let cool to room temp."

"Once fairly well along, (in a sterile environ, such as in front of oven door ala the Captain's Oven Technique) the bag can be opened and a filtered air tube inserted to enhance growth. Instead of spores, one can use mycelial solutions, spent cakes (remove outer surface & use clean core), etc."

" After inoculation, throw several into a black plastic trash-bag to keep out the light & help prevent contams."
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#15360295 - 11/12/11 11:40 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/11365/Incubation

Theres no content in that link.

http://www.shroomery.org/11199/Premature-Mycelium-culture

:nonono:

Dude basically re-inoculates jars with LC after initial injection of spores. This is an excellent tek for doubling or tripling your rate of contamination.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#15364067 - 11/13/11 09:37 AM (6 months, 12 days ago)

not quite sure if this counts but nonetheless, the links in the mycology section needs one hell of an overhaul http://www.shroomery.org/8689/Mycology dead sites and non sponsor links.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Immortal Corrupter]
#15369298 - 11/14/11 12:41 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/8489/How-do-I-harvest-a-mushroom

Twist and pull is no longer recommended, and the use of knives to cut cleanly at the base is.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: KoD]
#15369314 - 11/14/11 12:46 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Just the line about contamination and/or molding is wrong.
Many users still twist and pull.
I just harvested a monotub this morning via twist+pull.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15375327 - 11/15/11 05:15 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I do not like the fractional sterilization teks about.
http://www.shroomery.org/5248/What-is-fractional-sterilization-or-tyndallization

fractional sterilization certainly works but if you follow that tek you can expect failure.

The main problem is any teks I have seen are copied from textbooks. So many only list "steam for 30mins". While really it should spell out that it is supposed to be 30mins @ 100C, i.e. you have to wait a LONG LONG time for the core to get to 100C. If you look at textbooks the sterilization times at 15psi are far shorter than what people use at home, yet people readily accept the longer times in teks here. Very few practise fractional sterilization and I expect they are put off by early failures. If they followed textbook times with 15psi they might also give up. I have a textbook which says a 2000ml flask of liquid should be at 15psi for 30-35mins, and a 9000ml serum bottle should be 50-55 mins.

I have seen heinz beans being sterilized on discovery channel, they were at 121C for 3mins, now imagine if people were getting a PC to 15psi for 3mins and then complained they got contams -they would be laughed out of the place, and so should people doing fractional sterilization for such short times that they are probably some grains never at 100C in the jar for even a second.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: blackout]
#15395424 - 11/19/11 08:39 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/8694/Panaeolus-Species-Cultivation
This entire tek is outdated and should be circular filed.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
#15395753 - 11/19/11 10:03 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/5282/How-can-I-tell-bruising-from-mold

Says that by checking suspected contamination with a qtip and if it rubs off on it then its not mold.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Dirk_Diggler]
#15395853 - 11/19/11 10:29 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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Dirk_Diggler said:
http://www.shroomery.org/5282/How-can-I-tell-bruising-from-mold

Says that by checking suspected contamination with a qtip and if it rubs off on it then its not mold.

I posted that one already but it still there so :shrug:

I was actually doing that myself early on mostly to reassure myself that what I was seeing what just bruising. I didn't realize bruising could rub off. Actually I have never seen bruising rub off personally, though I haven't tried this many times.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Kizzle]
#15396019 - 11/19/11 11:19 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

So did I...I thought everything was fine because nothing was coming off on the qtip...but now...I don't know. Time will tell...

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Dirk_Diggler]
#15396056 - 11/19/11 11:36 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

Wouldn't it be best to design a few collective tek that is vigorously examined by the trusted cultivators and people of knowledgeable experience as something that works 99.99% of the time when followed to a T and publish those as facts rather then sorting threw all this mess?

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]

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#15396622 - 11/20/11 06:32 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

We are currently waiting for Ythan to implement the new server so that
we can overhaul and re-do the main page. This would more then likely
involve removing 90% of the current teks and then adding proven teks and
methods. This may be a while from what I gather talking to Ythan.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15398455 - 11/20/11 03:03 PM (6 months, 5 days ago)

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EvilMushroom666 said:
We are currently waiting for Ythan to implement the new server so that
we can overhaul and re-do the main page.

Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a Shroomery App for your phone? I don't think apple would go for that though...

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: ambargh]
#15398566 - 11/20/11 03:25 PM (6 months, 5 days ago)

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ambargh said:
Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
We are currently waiting for Ythan to implement the new server so that
we can overhaul and re-do the main page.

Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a Shroomery App for your phone? I don't think apple would go for that though...

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: CH HELL]
#15398703 - 11/20/11 03:55 PM (6 months, 5 days ago)

I can get on it with my iPhone, but it's not a mobile site, it's a full site- I'm always having to zoom in to read everything and it's kinda annoying. But it works.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: ambargh]
#15406023 - 11/22/11 12:05 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Hey guys... so a few months ago I supported this very idea of reviewing or revamping the "Grow Mushrooms" section of this site due to a noticeable amount of people following obsolete or downright silly teks of yesteryear. But now that I'm starting to see this process in action I'm becoming concerned.

In recent years I've noticed a trend of narrowing views regarding which techniques are "acceptable" and I'm beginning to fear our collective decent into some weird kind of cultivation totalitarianism. While it's true that some of these old teks are pure shit and surely must go, there are others that still contain some valuable information mixed with poor advice- as is true of many threads and personal journals that are posted on these forums daily.

So my hope is that this won't turn into an all-out book burning, with the "modern-day noobs" destroying all the work of the "turn-of-the-century noobs." Personally, I'd prefer that some of the older information at least be archived and remain available, because some of it is still useful as a reference and helps to show how our hobby has evolved to where it now is.

:2cents:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Dudester67]

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#15406668 - 11/22/11 06:14 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

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Dudester67 said:
Hey guys... so a few months ago I supported this very idea of reviewing or revamping the "Grow Mushrooms" section of this site due to a noticeable amount of people following obsolete or downright silly teks of yesteryear. But now that I'm starting to see this process in action I'm becoming concerned.

In recent years I've noticed a trend of narrowing views regarding which techniques are "acceptable" and I'm beginning to fear our collective decent into some weird kind of cultivation totalitarianism. While it's true that some of these old teks are pure shit and surely must go, there are others that still contain some valuable information mixed with poor advice- as is true of many threads and personal journals that are posted on these forums daily.

So my hope is that this won't turn into an all-out book burning, with the "modern-day noobs" destroying all the work of the "turn-of-the-century noobs." Personally, I'd prefer that some of the older information at least be archived and remain available, because some of it is still useful as a reference and helps to show how our hobby has evolved to where it now is.

< wow I just popped my tacky "2-cents-icon" cherry.

This is why I said the teks provided on the main page should be collective among trusted cultivators so we can selectively provide the good information while leaving out the bad information. This would be on par with peer reviewed papers and anything that is worth its weight in research. By having a number of knowledgeable people putting their skills together to write up good solid teks we will be miles ahead of single minded teks.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
#15407612 - 11/22/11 10:33 AM (6 months, 3 days ago)

I think the tried and true teks should be labelled as such so people who are just starting out know which teks the community as a whole truly recommends. Maybe a trusted/recommended tek section or something that has only what has been thoroughly analyzed by trusted cultivators that contains the top most commonly used teks. I'm sure that was the original intent of the rating system which apparently was unable to fulfill it's purpose.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Dudester67]
#15408770 - 11/22/11 02:43 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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Dudester67 said:
In recent years I've noticed a trend of narrowing views regarding which techniques are "acceptable" and I'm beginning to fear our collective decent into some weird kind of cultivation totalitarianism.

This is a very good point. There are many techniques that are robust and high-yielding. There are also many, many techniques that work ok, is fun and can be a learning experience. That one prefers one of those approaches does not mean that the other have to go.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Pinback]
#15412159 - 11/23/11 08:12 AM (6 months, 2 days ago)

I see the point you guys are making and it's a valid one. I thought I read somewhere that they are being archived to be further looked over for things like that.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
#15414711 - 11/23/11 06:51 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

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PinsWellWithOthers said:

This is why I said the teks provided on the main page should be collective among trusted cultivators so we can selectively provide the good information while leaving out the bad information. This would be on par with peer reviewed papers and anything that is worth its weight in research. By having a number of knowledgeable people putting their skills together to write up good solid teks we will be miles ahead of single minded teks.

And less effort will be wasted weeding out garbage in the future.
I like this idea, and it'll help clear these forums of many problems and questions.
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Shroom_Goon]
#15422693 - 11/25/11 02:42 PM (6 months, 16 hours ago)

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Shroom_Goon said:
I almost made the mistake of using this horrible tek and have seen others do the same. Not sure if it's outdated or not, but it sucks. Cheers

http://www.shroomery.org/8687/Shroom-Wizards-Grow-Guide

If only that had been deleted a few weeks earlier :frown:

months of time wasted on that crappy tek.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Pinback]
#15424738 - 11/26/11 12:21 AM (6 months, 6 hours ago)

Quote:

Pinback said:
Quote:

Dudester67 said:
In recent years I've noticed a trend of narrowing views regarding which techniques are "acceptable" and I'm beginning to fear our collective decent into some weird kind of cultivation totalitarianism.

This is a very good point. There are many techniques that are robust and high-yielding. There are also many, many techniques that work ok, is fun and can be a learning experience. That one prefers one of those approaches does not mean that the other have to go.

Yes it is.

I am reminded of the successful "pumpkin guts grow" of the last month.

I did not really expect this to be successful, but PF-Tek is a sterilization
tech and so as long as the moisture level was good, the grow was good.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15489625 - 12/09/11 04:35 AM (5 months, 18 days ago)

So what's new/the current status with this project. I tried to help with the last venture at this, as soon as we got organized, got deathly sick and never got back to it. I spend some time around here looking and reading through old threads often times with links to these old teks and want to puke. Meanwhile the thread body it's self is chocked full of USELESS, outdated, incorrect information.

I'd be down to contribute to this effort again if it's NOT something I have to "bang my head against the wall" to achieve as fast as possible. If I could go through the boards at my own pace (like I do already) I'd more then happy point out information that sounds "weird" to me or , correct information that I'm 100% sure is incorrect. One of my major pet-peevs is the old threads. Figure best/only thing to be done about those is to bump them, posting good information, correcting the bad.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: hamloaf]
#15490677 - 12/09/11 10:57 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

I ran across a abbreviation terms of common things, by FF...
In it, he bashes mycotopia...
Its just not professional... :shrug:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: total]
#15490693 - 12/09/11 10:59 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

hammy - I think we're waiting on the mods to see if they're just going to :minigun:

the whole archive & start over.
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: total]
#15490825 - 12/09/11 11:27 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Edited by PinsWellWithOthers (03/07/12 09:01 AM)

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
#15492154 - 12/09/11 04:57 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

We are waiting for the server upgrade before proposing a new layout, structure
and content for the main site.

This may take a while, but until then myself and a few others with privileges
will be happy to edit and move any articles that warrant it.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15492175 - 12/09/11 05:04 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
We are waiting for the server upgrade before proposing a new layout, structure
and content for the main site.

You might be waiting awhile... :hehehe:

I've been waiting for this "server upgrade" for damn near a year now... :shrug:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: total]
#15492249 - 12/09/11 05:24 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

My experience has been as one of the original noobs writing crappy techs. I think back to when the site first came on the scene, and it was a decent system, but a forum-based approach always struck me as strange, almost a show-and-tell with your neighbors.

The size of community is what drives the shroomery.

It really depends on what kind of things we want to create; ie are we building 'technical documentation' for the process of mushroom cultivation? Or should it be more accessible than that to the average person?

The idea, and shroomery.org's success has been it's accessibility and ability to grow in community.

Not to be a naysayer here, in fact I'm not trying to sway anyone to my line of thinking, but perhaps the shroomery is what the shroomery does best; community.

Even after 10 years I still think of this place as a more true community than most others I can point out on the net. Maybe it has something to do with the nature of the subject.

Just take the misinformation down. I don't know about anyone else, but the docs on the main page were never much-used, even 10 years ago. Perhaps more back then, but really, we are here for the threads.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: straightedge]
#15540573 - 12/19/11 02:56 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

Can one of you add SGFC = Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber to here:
http://www.shroomery.org/9423/Mycological-and-OMC-abbreviations

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15540697 - 12/19/11 03:16 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

Quote:

TranscendingLife said:
Can one of you add SGFC = Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber to here:
http://www.shroomery.org/9423/Mycological-and-OMC-abbreviations

Thanks.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15568482 - 12/24/11 07:43 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

dont burn the books!!!
Keep the old teks and such.. think 25 years in the future someone may want to look back at the evolution of such teks.. to validate them.. instead of just have wizard hat tricks...

Think 1000 years..

Burn all the teks now and reinvent your brain.. thats no fun

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Grogan]
#15568562 - 12/24/11 08:09 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

What is more important, keeping around outdated teks that are filled with
mis-information, data that we now know not to be true/relevant etc in order
to show the evolution of the hobby, or teaching people to grow mushrooms
without failure?

As long as some Teks are around hundreds of noobies will fall victim to
outdated misinformation wasting time, money, effort, energy and more often
then not will turn away from the hobby in frustration without ever having
a chance at success.

I think most people here who are all "Dont delete things, we need to see
our history over the years etc" are missing the point that we are not deleting
questionable TEKS or articles. We are deleting the articles and teks that
are blatantly filled with mis-information, terrible ideas that have been
proven time and time again to be false and articles/teks that will mislead
a noobie and set him/her up for failure.

Everyone does things differently but their is a general idea of what works
and what does not for factual reasons.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15568637 - 12/24/11 08:36 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

Besides, we do have an archive for old stuff that is not downright misleading.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Javadog]
#15599199 - 12/31/11 10:01 PM (4 months, 26 days ago)

it seems to me that the way you guys are going at it is inefficient.

personally i think it would alot easier if you temporary created a new section or something and move all the teks that have been checked there. that way you don't have multiple people repeatedly combing over the same articles to find the bad ones.

with this method the main section would slowly get smaller leaving only the bad articles behind which could than be trashed.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: demonofchaos]
#15600143 - 01/01/12 07:46 AM (4 months, 25 days ago)

Quote:

demonofchaos said:
it seems to me that the way you guys are going at it is inefficient.

personally i think it would alot easier if you temporary created a new section or something and move all the teks that have been checked there. that way you don't have multiple people repeatedly combing over the same articles to find the bad ones.

with this method the main section would slowly get smaller leaving only the bad articles behind which could than be trashed.

We do not have the permissions to do something along those lines, and Ythan
does not want to re-create, re structure, or change the main page until
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15600744 - 01/01/12 10:33 AM (4 months, 25 days ago)

Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
And Ythan does not want to re-create, re structure, or change the main page until
after the server upgrade.

Which...
Mind you...
Is never going to happen! :rolleyes:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: total]
#15600774 - 01/01/12 10:38 AM (4 months, 25 days ago)

He himself told me it may be a while...and it has been in the works for
over a year now so who knows :shrug:

I do my best to try to help out the community and this is the second time
we have had a crack at straightening out the front page but it seems to
have come to a hault again. What can you do :shrug:

People get busy this time of the year and seeing as we are all doing this
on a volunteer basis we all only have so much time to dedicate to trying to
help out.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15600813 - 01/01/12 10:48 AM (4 months, 25 days ago)

Yeah...
Server upgrades were a year in the works, a year ago...
:rofl2:

But no, seriously...
Im not hating, but they say they are already sitting in the host... :facepalm:

Just waiting to "roll over"...

Colocation is not cheap...
For two 2u servers at a datahost cost abit...
You pay mostly for the data, but to pay for 4u worth of powered off rack space for over a year, is a waste... :nonono:

By the time it rolls over, this brand new hardware that they are rolling over to will be obsolete..

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: LeopardMan]
#15637681 - 01/08/12 10:43 PM (4 months, 18 days ago)

Quote:

LeopardMan said:
Quote:

Pinback said:
Quote:

Kizzle said:
http://www.shroomery.org/5224/How-should-I-prepare-the-casing-layer
"A pasteurization can be achieved by filling the moist material into a suitable microwave container with a cover and microwaved for 10 minutes at high and stirring it a few times during the microwaving to achieve an uniform heat distribution."

What is wrong with this? I have done it myself a countless number of times, and if you search you will see that for example Anno, Blue Helix and Workman has done it too with success (although I don't know whether or not they do it now).

Times have changed sir. Sorry but we can't discuss every single article. There is a huge amount of work to be done. In my opinion ovens and microwaves are good for making cakes and cookies.

I have always used the microwave for casings, and had zero problems with contamination. Much quicker than firing up the pressure cooker. Your opinion is dead wrong on this one.

You guys are ditching some valuable information here. You should probably not have members of such short standing recommending stuff for deletion. I noticed one of my favorite bulk neglect techs was no more, very sad, it's a classic.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Roker]
#15638493 - 01/09/12 03:31 AM (4 months, 18 days ago)

It is unfortunate that some stuff that does in fact work is getting cut, but many of those teks cause more trouble than they're worth.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: dtowntoker]
#15664100 - 01/14/12 05:50 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

Anyone mention this?
http://www.shroomery.org/10477/Cybers-Liquid-Culture-Tek

I can't imagine an LC with no GE is "good info" :shrug:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: ISOfantastic]
#15667577 - 01/14/12 10:21 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

There is plenty of oxygen for a thick LC. GE can be provided manually if you so desire. All my LCs are made in a sealed jar so I can shake them, and turn them upside down to get the best mycelium without spending a bundle on whatamans.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: dtowntoker]
#15668718 - 01/15/12 08:07 AM (4 months, 11 days ago)

I have to say, when I first started checking this site, I was swamped with so many bits of info, it took me about 4 months to realise you shouldn't incubate in the dark...
:facepalm:

my bad. the problem was, so much conflicting info, who do you trust? once I'd read something from 3 or 4 sources, I knew it could be trusted

anyways, my suggestion is:

I know signatures are personal, and an extension of ourselves, but perhaps we could all place 3,4,5 of our favourite teks in there?
this way, when new people stumble into the forums, they'll see the same things over and over again and it'll help give people the confidence that that technique is a good one?

fairly easy to do (perhaps a few sig templates?) and can work alongside the awesome work you're all doing?

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: dtowntoker]
#15715266 - 01/25/12 07:47 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Quote:

dtowntoker said:
There is plenty of oxygen for a thick LC. GE can be provided manually if you so desire. All my LCs are made in a sealed jar so I can shake them, and turn them upside down to get the best mycelium without spending a bundle on whatamans.

What about the vacuum created in the jar?

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: ISOfantastic]
#15715833 - 01/25/12 10:39 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

You can use a syringe filled tightly w/ polyfil for the GE, if you don't have any type of GE in your lids for LCs.

Personally, I found Whatmans cheap in bulk online. You've just got to do the work of searching for the right ones.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15721222 - 01/26/12 02:26 PM (4 months, 16 hours ago)

Excellent, I'm glad I found this thread.
I'm thinking of starting up again, I used to grow mushrooms a few years ago, but even so, I think I should start with the basics. :mushroom2:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Durbs]
#15751530 - 02/02/12 11:28 AM (3 months, 24 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/55/60-40-Vermiculite-and-Coco-Coir-Casing-Tek

This is roadkill's tek for suing coir as a casing... I figured this shouldn't be on the site as i've seen plenty of new cultivators using this and wondering why they are not getting fruits for 1+ months

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: slapphappypill]
#15846797 - 02/22/12 09:04 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I see a ton of work has already been put into this, but as it stands, there are still many things outstanding that need to be addressed.

Namely, the completeness of the vast majority of teks lack important follow through. Teks need to either instruct readers from start to finish or leave them with a link or two that are rooted directly to the archived articles (not forum threads!)

Because of the complexity of this project and the sheer number of articles that are riddled with antiquated knowledge and falsehoods, would it not be a better approach to start fresh and make a 2012 archive?

Teams could collaborate, provide information, and any info that is subjective or disputable can be discussed openly.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: po0dingles]
#15847033 - 02/22/12 10:20 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Quote:

po0dingles said:

....

Because of the complexity of this project and the sheer number of articles that are riddled with antiquated knowledge and falsehoods, would it not be a better approach to start fresh and make a 2012 archive?

Teams could collaborate, provide information, and any info that is subjective or disputable can be discussed openly.

That idea has been brought up several times. It's not going to happen though. Any teks that you see as incomplete, false, misleading, unreliable, etc. can just be brought here so it can be removed and archived for later reference/work.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Wing]
#15864941 - 02/26/12 03:09 AM (3 months, 1 day ago)

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: k00laid]
#15877400 - 02/28/12 05:04 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

If some of these spores get into your culture jars they can easily kill your young plants

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Shroom_Goon]
#15905979 - 03/05/12 07:33 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

uh i have done it for years, with my own specs, but always in the oven, um it works very well. i guess im just lucky because it has worked for many years up til now...

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: shangrila]
#16030821 - 04/01/12 06:26 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

I do not want to anger anyone by starting a new thread. I'm scared of the old timers.

I watched all the RR/Roadkill videos, three times.
I read the entire RR massive epic manual thread:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468463/fpart/1/vc/1
Took me a week! Wow! Answered just about everything I could imagine!

I want to know about the environmental conditions to keep between flushes. RR says to let PF cakes rest and 'dry a little'.
What environmental conditions should somebody keep cakes between flushes to let them rest and "dry a little"? Let the humidity drop to maybe 50%? Should it be dropped more? Less? Keep the temp the same (70ish)? Or leave all the fruiting conditions the same?
I live in a dry cool climate, so I have a lot of control. What do you guys think?

Thanks guys! Really happy and excited to be part of your board. I have learned so much.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Ibogaine]
#16033334 - 04/02/12 10:52 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

That's a good question.

I would leave the lid off your FC, stop misting and fanning and just let them sit there.

Not sure if that's the best answer but that's what I did for the short time I did cakes.

I'm not sure if it's detailed in EM666's thread about cakes but you can try to look there

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324/fpart/1

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#16035500 - 04/02/12 06:47 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

WTF is this:

http://www.shroomery.org/11009/i-dont-kno

and this:

http://www.shroomery.org/9063/How-do-I-trip

no info:

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#16036305 - 04/02/12 09:43 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
Quote:

demonofchaos said:
it seems to me that the way you guys are going at it is inefficient.

personally i think it would alot easier if you temporary created a new section or something and move all the teks that have been checked there. that way you don't have multiple people repeatedly combing over the same articles to find the bad ones.

with this method the main section would slowly get smaller leaving only the bad articles behind which could than be trashed.

We do not have the permissions to do something along those lines, and Ythan
does not want to re-create, re structure, or change the main page until
after the server upgrade.

This is a shame, because I see 2 competing goals here. The first, is that there is a great legacy of cultivation on this side...good and bad. Historically, I find this stuff fascinating and would never want it to just disappear. This is our history. To me, this should always be preserved. But secondly, there is a dire need for some place where noobs can cut through these weeds and get up to date information. My girlfriend has decided to learn the craft and she can't make fucking heads or tails of this place. I hope you do get some kind of permission for this. We need an archive, surely, but we also need to spread the knowledge without requiring someone to sift through outmoded teks for months on end. Sorry if I am ranting...I am passionate...and drunk.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Asura]
#16039336 - 04/03/12 03:57 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Thank you so much Wing!

I would have guessed it would be just like you said, stop misting and let the lid off. I needed somebody with experience to say it. I am positive that if I would have assumed, I would have been wrong. Every assumption I have made so far has been way off.

I have been so humbled by this whole process. I know this sounds silly, but I thought, "I've planted a garden, how hard could this mushroom stuff be? Just keep it hot and dank." Ahhh man! Not even close. I'm having a lot of fun, but it is counter intuitive at every point.

Thanks for the grow log link. Sweet! I am having way too much fun learning about this stuff!

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Ibogaine]
#16039528 - 04/03/12 04:41 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Quote:

This is a shame, because I see 2 competing goals here. The first, is that there is a great legacy of cultivation on this side...good and bad. Historically, I find this stuff fascinating and would never want it to just disappear. This is our history. To me, this should always be preserved.

In which case copy all the disinformation and save it to your computer. When I see bad info, I nuke it. You wouldn't want to study a science textbook in school from 500 years ago simply because it's 'history'. Inaccurate information has no place in a forum where new folks are trying to learn what to do and reading bad stuff fucks up their hard work.
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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16051948 - 04/06/12 08:22 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Thanks guys I've been AFK in IRL for a while. Glad to see someone is making an effort.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Base Icks]
#16051953 - 04/06/12 08:23 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)

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