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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #20954502 - 12/09/14 07:20 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah?  You pasteurize shit at 180F for hours?


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Psilicon]
    #20954526 - 12/09/14 07:25 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

No. 170 for about 2.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #20954577 - 12/09/14 07:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

What kind of poo do you pasteurize at that temp?  Do you lysol the outside of your jars before spooning out your spawn?  Do you store it in a cool, dark place and avoid agitating it? Do you colonize in bags, then crush and spread into a tray to let it recover?


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Psilicon]
    #20954674 - 12/09/14 07:53 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

To be clear, I use a variation if this idea. I dint follow the tek to the detail.

My typical set up with this is:

Steer Manure based substrate. The sub goes into .5 micron filter patch bags. The sub is rolled up in the bag, and the bags are placed in a foil tin and then some water is added to the tray. I use another tray as a lid.

It then goes in the oven at 170 for two hours. I usually let the oven cool overnight with the bags in it.

I use 2qts sub to 1qt spawn. I add it directly to the bag and then seal it up. At full colonization I usually fruit invitro in the bag. They just sit on a shelf woth ambient light until ready to harvest.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #20954723 - 12/09/14 08:02 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I don't like your method, because it doesn't account for the wide variation in oven temperatures--the margin of error is about 90F, which is unacceptable.  But I like it a LOT better than this method, so if you'll hop on board with destroying this piece of shit and write your own I think we'll both be happier, as will whatever newb comes along and is spared having to confess he followed this tek and ruined his sub (like happened just today).


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Psilicon]
    #20958197 - 12/10/14 04:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

There are a lot of ways to pasteurize. The only reason you've given to remove it is that it's not what you or most people do.


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Psilicon]
    #20959517 - 12/10/14 08:48 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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There are a lot of ways to pasteurize. The only reason you've given to remove it is that it's not what you or most people do.



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Yeah?  You pasteurize shit at 180F for hours?




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I don't like your method, because it doesn't account for the wide variation in oven temperatures--the margin of error is about 90F, which is unacceptable.




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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Psilicon]
    #20960026 - 12/10/14 11:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

If it works it works.

If it doesn't work that's a different story but pasteurization times and temperatures are mostly just a matter of opinion.


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Kizzle]
    #20963254 - 12/11/14 06:07 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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If it works it works.

If it doesn't work that's a different story but pasteurization times and temperatures are mostly just a matter of opinion.




Um, no? I've had contamination issues from pasteurizing poo at too high a temperature before.


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Psilicon] * 1
    #20963392 - 12/11/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

And I've had nithing but problems with Damions coir bucket tek.

All that means is that the process doesn't work for ME. So I don't use it. That doesn't mean I go and try to have the process removed, because it obviously works for enough people.

There's a little bit of art that goes with this science. And there's a lot of wiggle room for what does and doesn't work.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Psilicon]
    #20963477 - 12/11/14 07:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Using that exact method?

I haven't tried it but I know that if you're using filter bags for pasteurization it's possible to let the surviving bacteria recolonize the substrate for a few days before exposing the substrate to open air again and the reintroduction of the mold spores you're trying to protect it from. So I wouldn't rule it out completely based solely on the 170+ pasteurization temperature.


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #20963689 - 12/11/14 08:05 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Using that exact method?

I haven't tried it but I know that if you're using filter bags for pasteurization it's possible to let the surviving bacteria recolonize the substrate for a few days before exposing the substrate to open air again and the reintroduction of the mold spores you're trying to protect it from. So I wouldn't rule it out completely based solely on the 170  pasteurization temperature.




Kizzle, man, I know you're no fool, and I agree completely regarding recolonization of the substrate. The problem is, that's not what this tek advocates. 

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And I've had nithing but problems with Damions coir bucket tek.

All that means is that the process doesn't work for ME. So I don't use it. That doesn't mean I go and try to have the process removed, because it obviously works for enough people.

There's a little bit of art that goes with this science. And there's a lot of wiggle room for what does and doesn't work.




Wildernessjunkie, I know I'm a hardliner on this, but IMO art is just science that hasn't been discovered yet. And I know you don't want to hear this, but sterile coir has been shown to be contamination resistant to the point of not being colonizable by molds, so if you've been having trouble with Damion's tek it's either because you supplemented or because your spawn was dirty.

180F is too hot for poo.  This has been demonstrated many times.  This tek is broken.

I'm not saying you can't oven-tek poo.  I'm saying this tek sucks, that it doesn't work, that it can't work and that if you write a better one that uses a thermometer I'll be happy to link to it.


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Psilicon]
    #20964988 - 12/12/14 01:55 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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sterile coir has been shown to be contamination resistant to the point of not being colonizable by molds, so if you've been having trouble with Damion's tek it's either because you supplemented or because your spawn was dirty.





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Im just worried about my coir infested with tricho it smell like dirt. I think is better to sterilize coir in the PC in my case, gives me peace.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Kizzle]
    #20968146 - 12/12/14 06:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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If it works it works.

If it doesn't work that's a different story but pasteurization times and temperatures are mostly just a matter of opinion.




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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Kizzle]
    #20968227 - 12/12/14 07:24 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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There are a lot of ways to pasteurize. The only reason you've given to remove it is that it's not what you or most people do.



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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: eatyualive]
    #20968276 - 12/12/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: azur]
    #20973253 - 12/13/14 10:03 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

What do you guys think about lower temps for pasteurization?

I am talking about 140-150.

I have had about the same success rate as bucket tek this
past year when my temps have been 150-165.

I think the higher ranges start to sterilize and make room
for competing bacteria.

I really don't have an opinion on this. So a civil response would
be appreciated.

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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: Asura]
    #20973424 - 12/13/14 11:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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What do you guys think about lower temps for pasteurization?

I am talking about 140-150.

I have had about the same success rate as bucket tek this
past year when my temps have been 150-165.

I think the higher ranges start to sterilize and make room
for competing bacteria.

I really don't have an opinion on this. So a civil response would
be appreciated.

Thanks.




You should look up pasteurization temps. Anything above 160 is usually discouraged for long periods. 140 for 90 minutes is great.


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Re: Outdated, Incorrect and Bad Info On Main Page [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #21325979 - 12/13/14 11:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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gonna get rid of these sticky's, it has served it's purpose and thanks for all those who helped, you have all been a huge help here....onward and upward:super:

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