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Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims
    #15281891 - 10/26/11 06:32 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims
October 26, 2011 - Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- U.S. attorneys have a message for California's medical marijuana advocates: Don't blame Barack Obama. After it was announced that the crackdown on medical pot establishments in the Golden State was a collective decision by the four U.S. attorneys in California and not the result of any directive from Washington, spokeswoman Lauren Horwood emphasized that the administration never even green-lighted the ramped-up enforcement actions.

The only D.C.-based official with whom California U.S. attorneys coordinated, Horwood said, was Deputy Attorney General James Cole, who was chosen by Attorney General Eric Holder, an Obama appointee.

"He's the one who provided the quote for our press release, and he's chosen by Eric Holder," Horwood told HuffPost in an interview. "But we didn't have direct talks with Eric Holder -- not that we wouldn't, he's been out and visited -- but just the way the Department of Justice works, he's not that hands-on on these kinds of details."

An article by Phoenix Times reporter Ray Stern claimed Horwood acknowledged that California's U.S. attorneys received "Obama's blessing" in implementing the crackdown. But in an interview with The Huffington Post, Horwood, a spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney Benjamin Wagner in California's Eastern District, distanced herself from that language.

"What I said, or at least meant to say, was that the U.S. Attorneys in California saw the need for coordinated enforcement actions and spoke with folks in Main Justice in D.C. (not the Obama Administration)," she told HuffPost in an email.

Cole declined to attend any California press conferences on the issue not, Horwood insisted, because he was distancing himself from the crackdown, but because California is a long way to travel.

California voters approved the use of medical marijuana in 1996 with the passage of Prop. 215, later named the Compassionate Use Act, which allows patients to possess and cultivate cannabis with a doctor's permission. The law has been interpreted many times since then. In City of Garden Grove v. Superior Court in 2007, the trial court sided with the patient, finding that it "is not the job of local police to enforce the federal drug law." A California Supreme Court ruling in 2010 found that residents may grow or possess "reasonable amounts" of marijuana with a doctor's permission.

But under federal law there are no such allowances.

Obama as a candidate promised to maintain a hands-off approach toward pot clinics that adhered to state law, with Attorney General Eric Holder publicly asserting that federal prosecutors would not initiate enforcement actions against any patients or providers in compliance with state law, deeming it an inefficient use of scarce government resources.

Such language didn't stop federal prosecutors from launching an attack on medical marijuana shop owners earlier this month, vowing to shutter state-licensed marijuana dispensaries regulated by local governments and threatening landlords with property seizures.

State Senator Mark Leno (D) has joined Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) in requesting meetings with the Department of Justice and the Internal Revenue Service to discuss the reasons behind the crackdown.

So far their requests have gone unanswered. "They're talking amongst themselves," said Ammiano of federal prosecutors, "and really causing tremendous, unnecessary chilling effects."

Steve DeAngelo of Oakland medical cannabis club Harborside Health Center said such effects may be the end goal.

"Federal prosecutors are not trying to clean up the regulated medical cannabis industry, they are trying to destroy it," he said at a Tuesday press conference in San Francisco. "Their real target is not criminal gangs, but rather the systems of licensing and regulation implemented by dozens of communities state-wide. This is destroying tens of thousands of jobs and hundreds of millions of tax dollars in local, state and federal tax revenue."

The crackdown comes even as 50 percent of Americans favor legalizing marijuana, according to a recently released Gallup poll, up from just 36 percent in 2006.

When asked to respond to the claim that the Obama administration isn't implicated in the decision, Ammiano was indignant.

"Somebody's going to have to fall on their sword about this," he said. "This is becoming more of a mainstream issue. I mean, this was really a mistake."


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    #15281954 - 10/26/11 06:52 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: TieACable2aTree]
    #15282022 - 10/26/11 07:04 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

He won't get my vote either. I'm not really sure who will at this point.  Maybe ill just write in 'Mary Jane, Fuck this Game'


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: veggie]
    #15282421 - 10/26/11 08:31 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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U.S. attorneys have a message for California's medical marijuana advocates: Don't blame Barack Obama.




Because he still need your vote.
Damage control anyone.


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: anunnakian]
    #15282527 - 10/26/11 08:49 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, constantly amazed at how the federal government reminds me of elementary school playground talk.
Stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalalalala".


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: MGMT]
    #15282782 - 10/26/11 09:43 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Obama is ultimately responsible for is appointees' appointees' appointees'... so the blame does rest on him eventually. It's now his responsibility to fire the guys who strayed from his policy. If somebody doesn't get fired over this whole scandal, I'll be pretty pissed. Scratch that, I'll still be pissed because those affected by this shit won't ever be granted amnesty or be compensated.

Tinfoil time! :tinfoil:
I'm betting that this is a political conspiracy. Once Obama cleans up this mess, he'll be "reaffirming" his position on MMJ, making him look better to pro-cannabis voters so he can get reelected.

If it's true, then it's really disgusting. Arresting innocents and seizing property in order to achieve political ends. Now if that doesn't say tyranny, then I don't know what does.


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    #15283734 - 10/27/11 12:48 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: uber_aj]
    #15284173 - 10/27/11 02:31 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

If politicans want to fight a war. Why dont you fight a war against the people who dont want legalization?


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: anunnakian]
    #15284650 - 10/27/11 06:29 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Because he still need your vote.
Damage control anyone.




I agree 100%.  Obama could end this unpopular and unseemly governmental thievery with ONE phone call.  Make the call B.O. or you've lost my vote and a shit-ton of others.

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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: Nature Boy]
    #15285205 - 10/27/11 11:33 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Because he still need your vote.
Damage control anyone.




I agree 100%.  Obama could end this unpopular and unseemly governmental thievery with ONE phone call.  Make the call B.O.

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Unfortunately I cannot vote as my voting rights have been taken away as part of the movement to dis-enfranchise cannabis smokers. By taking away the rights of people convicted of marijuana crimes, they make it so that the people affected by the laws can no longer have a say in how the laws are written and enforced...I cannot get them back in my state, (tried several times. but I promote to those who can...


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: dwpineal]
    #15285417 - 10/27/11 12:37 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Obama won't get my vote in 2012, he lost my trust.
Ron Paul 2012.


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    #15286905 - 10/27/11 05:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Obama won't get my vote in 2012, he lost my trust.
Ron Paul 2012.





Yea Yea ,  We can rise if Ron Paul takes office, but we also must get the congress that Ron would need to get the job done.

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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: TieACable2aTree]
    #15290679 - 10/28/11 02:09 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Obama lost my vote years ago when he escalated the wars in iraq and afghanistan... recently he announces he's pulling the troops from iraq by years end... that was a reelection ploy, just like his justice department trying to distance themselves from these dispensary raids... SHAME ON OBAMA... if his base returns to re-elect him they will be disappointed once again we he redeploys troops back into iraq... Obama turned out to be quite the scumbag... he's as close an ally to wall street and big business as any republican is... in my opinion the best man for the office is dennis kucinich, a man who is basically ignored in congress because they know he's right on issues... he truly cares for the middle class and poor, something others in congress, including most democrats don't...

enough of my mini rant! :smile:

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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: cateyes]
    #15294534 - 10/29/11 11:38 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

i wish i still had the ability to vote. (convicted felon for a minor weed violation) but THe country is fucked no matter who is elected. The democrats are being stupid and are choosing Obama to run again. and everyone is pissed off at him right now. the republicans are all retards excecpt the libertarians like ron paul. but they arent getting any media attention so they are not going to win. SO THE COUNTRY IS FUCKED.


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: acidlover123]
    #15295123 - 10/29/11 02:00 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Well.. yeah. of course he didn't have anything to do with it. You really think Obama sits in the oval office scheming on drug policy? No. He has advisers and policy makers to do that. He's just a mouthpiece for them


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: NanoAugmented]
    #15295148 - 10/29/11 02:08 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Well.. yeah. of course he didn't have anything to do with it. You really think Obama sits in the oval office scheming on drug policy? No. He has advisers and policy makers to do that. He's just a mouthpiece for them



bullshit.... he knows whats happening, he watches the news, he is advised, he's just another bull shitting politician, lie's lie's and more lie's


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: Madcaps]
    #15295399 - 10/29/11 02:59 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Well.. yeah. of course he didn't have anything to do with it. You really think Obama sits in the oval office scheming on drug policy? No. He has advisers and policy makers to do that. He's just a mouthpiece for them



bullshit.... he knows whats happening, he watches the news, he is advised, he's just another bull shitting politician, lie's lie's and more lie's




I call bullshit on your bullshit. The president is not like a king, and he does not govern the country alone; or without the support of insane corporations through lobbying power. To think that it is just him "being a bastard and lying" is narrow minded and unrealistic. It is just not the way the American system of government works :shrug: sorry


This is INCREDIBLY interesting though...do you EVER remember a time when a president actually had someone in his white house address the public like this? Distancing himself from his own white houses' drug policies?

The times are a changin'.....for the better maybe

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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #15296525 - 10/29/11 07:57 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

This is INCREDIBLY interesting though...do you EVER remember a time when a president actually had someone in his white house address the public like this? Distancing himself from his own white houses' drug policies?

The times are a changin'.....for the better maybe

:peace::gd_icon:



so ur saying he is having somebody else address the public about HIS policies= he's a fucking liar, there his policies, he needs to man up and stop playing with peoples minds and medicine!!!!


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: Madcaps]
    #15298486 - 10/30/11 09:29 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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so ur saying he is having somebody else address the public about HIS policies= he's a fucking liar, there his policies, he needs to man up and stop playing with peoples minds and medicine!!!!




:facepalm:

Well ok you don't get it at all, but that's ok...

STILL, if you can't tell, he is actually thinking about it (his drug position). It is hurting him bad enough that he is, yes, having other's IN HIS WHITE HOUSE distance HIM from his WHITE HOUSE'S policy (more than 1 person in an administration ya know...).

Its incredible, actually


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Re: Obama not to blame in California medical marijuana crackdown, U.S. Attorney claims [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #15298514 - 10/30/11 09:45 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

tell us how incredible it is, in my house, im the leader, i say what goes. bottom line, in his house, it doesn't matter what he say's... he's the fucking pres, believe me he talks to his good buddy eric holder, who he gave the job to, at-least a few times a week, fuck they've been good friends for yrs. all he has to do is tell holder to back the fuck up.... ill tell u what the prob is, mr know it all.... big pharma and big alcohol, r seeing revenue losses in areas that have medicinal mj, and there lobbyist r crying... until they hold the rights of mj and the people dont, thats when they'll let up....


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